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i wish this was fake https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1958854561579638960 oh my fucking god
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i wish this was fake https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1958854561579638960 oh my fucking god
Only such an idiot can think that pushing 2 updates a day is a good idea.
I have some apps that havent been updated for like a year because the simply fucking work.
Not to mention, the app is just the thing that calls the API to the server that runs the actual models, it's not a reflection on how quickly you're improving those models. In fact, there should be little reason to push a new app update once you've built it.
Unless your Ai creates the app. This may be a reflection of how bad Grok really is.
The reason is so Elon Musk can make his stupid chart implying that more production releases means better in someway.
He's really done a great job at dispelling this image he had of being some kind of genius in the last couple of years.
He’s been doing that the whole time, he just finally got to an area more people online are experts in.
Yeah, I personally noticed when there was this whole Thai cave saga, but I'm sure there were signs for decades before that.
Lets be fair. He's a special kind of idiot.
Maybe you just haven't had enough ketamine.
Nah, its a great idea. Bug fix, and then hot fix for the new bug you just deployed!
Let's change the font size.
Not only a good idea, but indicative of positive growth.
This is such a joke to anyone in tech. It’s like a Silicone Valley skit.
I know next to nothing about publishing an app and my alarm bells went off immediately
Here’s 2 faults:
Either way, it’s a bad look. Doing stable daily pushes is good in development, not in a live environment like this.
I’m nowhere close to tech and this is obviously a bad sign. Imagine an apartment complex trying to get new tenants by advertising that they have plumbers and exterminators do work twice a day at various units.
Silly Con Valley, amirite?
Silicon*
no he was talking about the porn parody of the show
Yeah and my company has the best dev team because we resolve all the critical incidents we cause by shipping buggy code.
Some of these other loser companies don’t even have incidents!
Merge Request 1472: Add commentThey're making frivolous updates at a speed and scale Sam Altman can only dream of
Merge request 1473: Remove extraneous comment
Oh who are we kidding, they probably don't do merge requests, they just push to master.
Quick! Ship it now!
Two of the updates are “new outfits for Ani”.
Oh wow, Elon figured out how we'll finally get AGI. The key thing is to publish an automatic mobile client update every single hour of the day! That was the secret productivity metric that every single other company was missing. Thanks, big brain business boy!
Lol equating your busted as fuck code that needs constant patching with growth. Gonna keep that around for my own metrics. Yeah boss this is the 9th hotfix to prod this week! Think where we'll be next month, things are going awesome!
I can make bullshit graphs based on meaningless numbers too. 🤷♂️
Yeah but can you spew that nonsense at millions of people on your very own shitty platform? Gotta get on muskies level.
On the contrary, the rate of mobile app updates being high is more of a red flag of an app development team not having the situation under control, being forced to panic-ship fixes.
Why? I genuinely think that daily delivery in my field (b2b specialized software) would be a very good practice. Why in mobile apps it's not the truth?
It's a bit different with mass market mobile applications because of the supply chain constraints - most notably the Apple reviewing process. Your next app release may for whatever reason they feel like unexpectedly take an additional week, so do ensure that your QA is in order before releasing.
Another significant factor is the lack of control you have over the software once released - any bugs you ship may potentially be out there for a long, long time.
Web applications don't have these constraints and can as such be deployed an infinite amount of times per day. The same goes for backend services, deploy to your hearts content.
This basically means that most larger mobile applications have adopted approximately weekly release cadences, and that we've had to get very good at using feature flagging to control our software in the wild, and avoid large impact of shipped bugs.
Ahhh.. now that makes sense. Thank you, kind stranger!
Because the rate is more a sign of how often problems are found, rather than how many better new things you are applying.
And has nothing at all to do with the AI part of the app getting better.
Yes, that was my point.
does it count as an "update" every time elon fucks with it to push some fresh nazi shit?
what a meaningless measure. why don't i update this app one byte at a time? i can say it's massively outpacing the competition by updating 20 thousand times in the last 4 minutes while the competition updated ZERO times, which means we're literally INFINITELY faster and by the end of the year we will have released millions of new versions.
he's so monumentally stupid
"My codebase is way better because it has 300x as many lines of code" - that fucking moron, probably
There is no probably about it. He considers LOC to be the gold standard.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/11/musk-emails-remaining-twitter-staff-to-find-anyone-who-actually-writes-software/
i wonder how someone can choose the 10 most salient lines of code ever written
manually summarizing 6 months of commits seems also a thrilling job
I submit the fast inverse square root. That code needs to be in a museum.
Elon Musk is a parody of himself
I have to admit though, getting two app updates per day through the Apple review process is an achievement. (He probably paid them.)
Minor updates for bugfixes don’t require a real store review.
Any update that hits the App Store and increments a version number goes through the Apple review process.
Certain updates can be done on the fly with custom or third party solutions like https://ionic.io/docs/appflow/deploy/intro
But this graph doesn’t make it clear if these updates are new binary app deployments or on the fly updates
Yeah, I haven’t done it in like 8 months so I think I was conflating Code Push with App Store updates. I do think that apps get treated differently based on the priority of the company and there is some judgement used in the scope of changes. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if Grok is never subject to the random review delays just cuz no one wants to deal with Elon throwing a tantrum
Yeah I'm the lead mobile engineer at my company. We release bigger updates once a month and smaller hotfixes generally weekly or biweekly. For smaller updates we get approval in around 6 hours. They also have a way to expedite reviews in which case we've gotten like 30 minute turnaround on reviews (though that’s like boy that cried wolf, only use it if you need to push something really urgent)
This was my thought, too. He's bleeding money that these other companies would rather hold onto.
The man knows about
productionmanufacturing more than anyone else in the world/s
Producing rockets faster than they can explode during launch!
Cheaper to dispose of them in the upper atmosphere than in the ground
Outproducing the blastwave. Bold strategy 🤣
It's really not that hard!
His rocket is not that hard
Incredibly misleading and/or stupid graphs are so funny to me. Because you ship out the most updates, doesn't mean it's the best, it means youre fixing and/or generating more bugs and issues.
Yeah, I updated my minecraft mod 20 times in a week, it doesn't mean it's a stellar mod, it's less than mediocre at best. It was primarily fixing bugs and a crash. Meanwhile the Create mod updates about once every three weeks or so on average, but that's because they properly playtest and bugfix and patch and do all that before they send out an actual update.
Two weeks is also such a random and unimpressive statistic.
It's generally the length of short sprints (blocks of time where some tasks have been estimated/committed for)
If you're deploying a new version more frequently than that it's usually either putting out fires & hot fixing, or someone fucked up the pipeline and now any commit will immediately be deployed straight to prod
If I continue pissing at the rate I’m currently pissing I will have a reservoir of piss within weeks.
I knew the Apartheid shithead was dumb as fuck, but even "as fuck" isn't that dumb...
Turns out AI-written software needs lots of patches to keep up.
The Nextdoor app updates every two weeks. OpenAI should be worried.
Aren't the front ends for these basically chat interfaces that mostly don't change?
What are they doing so much
Someone keeps fixing the CSS color coding of an input field border and someone else keeps copy/pasting the old version when they're doing basic edits.
Because their boss is an idiot who will yell at them if they don’t.
If you pay by the update, devs will update their way to a nice payday .
Update one character at a time, commented out till you're ready to make a real change.
Then do it again to fix all the shit you just broke
Uh, how do you imagine that would work? Are you saying this is contract work?
Nah. It’s most likely not that direct. If the boss makes it clear that they measure productivity by blindly adhering to some dumb metric (number of updates , kloc, number of bugfixes) then the devs will find a way to max out that stat, to get bonuses, promos, etc.
As much as the author has shown his ass, this is the classic comic that comes to mind https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/k5hka0/bug_free_programs_a_dilbert_classic/
Add a comment.
Commit.
"Look how productive I am!"
"Changes in this release: general improvements"
I've made over 40 edits to this comment.
Me: 40
You: 1
Pathetic.
This is why there are a bunch of improvished people adding nonsense updates to git repositories, padding out their resume out of desperation.
It's hard to blame them trying to climb their way out of poverty, but it does harm the people trying to do work.
Yes.
I think it's because grok ships the most bugs, so they have to ship the most patches.
Since when does the update of the frontend equate to a better, more accurate, more efficient backend?
To me, it suggests the opposite -- they keep breaking stuff or otherwise putting bugs into their client and Grok isn't very helpful with fixing them.
Why would you need to update the app? It should all run on their servers. This is indicative of poor and buggy app design.
jfc this guy is such a moron
He knows exactly what he's saying and he knows his dumb followers will buy it...
The fact that most people only skim-read what they scroll through helps him as well. People won't even stop to process what they actually read. With this tweet he's basically selling his followers a feeling.
No, he really is that stupid and clueless. How do you still not see that?
I'll be the first to admit that I fell for his (initially) near perfect PR that crafted the industry genius image he's still coasting on to this day. Of course that took a nosedive when he started calling a rescuer "pedo" for pointing out the stupidity of his rescue submarine idea. But it wasn't until he started talking about IT that I finally started to understand he wasn't an average CEO manipulating public opinion to his advantage, but an absolute moron who actually never had any idea of what he was talking about. Yes the dude is that stupid, but good PR is actually hard to completely take down.
Yeah, taking bolt cutters to a colo to forcibly remove half of Twitter's redundancy was a breaking the camel's back moment. He really thinks grandiose metaphorical displays like carrying a sink with him to a new job are more important than actually producing anything.
I just assume anything he says is either a lie or hallucination
I think Muskie is hallunicating. Lieing implies that he knows the truth. Muskie actually believes in his own fever dreams.
It's evolving!
*pokemon evolution music*
Dumbfuck became... Dumbfuckwad!
Git commit -m "comments and grammar"
git commit -m "remove space at end of one line (more to come)"
git commit - m "put today's 'genius' far right nonsense in the prompt to counteract any bias towards factual accuracy that was previously there"
iOS appstore app testers hate him!
20+ updates of racist shit and fake news from facebook don't count
Racisms per minute (RPM)?
Fuck he's so stupid
This is nothing new. Workers trying to fake productivity to fool the capitalists, no matter for what reason capitalists think they deserve.
No, this is the capitalist trying to convince customers (investors) that they have more capital than the other capitalists. Nothing about this has anything to do with workers.
Having to do the most amount of bug fixes for the app (that does not run the AI itself) is not the flex you think it is
It just has more vibe-coding bugs than the rest.
Now that's quality shitpost by Elon "Dumbass" Musk.
The fact that your webwrapper frontend app, which could just as easily not exist and the core product will still work with 100% functionality, has up be updated so frequently is actually a bad thing, Elon. It means your developers can't code for shit. Probably because they're using Grok to code Grok.
Or it's because they have morons in product management
wow its getting dumber faster than the other companies what an achievement
Some underling must've whipped up that graphic in a desperate attempt to find good news so E-lawn wouldn't feed him to the dogs. Worked a little too well and now the emperor is strutting around in all his exhibitionistic finery.
If only the reddish bar is for "Number of iOS App Updates (Last 2 Weeks)", what are the other bars?
so called not see updates
As a sanity check, is this the guy launching a crap-ton into space for the future of humanity?
Yes. It must be prevented at any cost, and he's prepared to pay that cost.
Sure they are.
I can also rapidly publish bunk ass updates to my app to the App Store so that I can make a funny chart that impresses my shareholders
Like let me just add some random line breaks to my source and rebuild the app bundle. Look at that growth!
All that’s missing is the linked in dweeb quoting this sayin “Elon is truly ahead in the AI Game!”
Oh Elon. You lying sack of shit. Go sell your wares elsewhere.
To me, that just looks like "move fast and break things" taken to an extreme level. Quantity ≠ quality. Honestly, I think it kinda makes the other companies look better, in terms of software quality.
(I'm going solely by the chart though; I have not installed any of these apps)
Elon just discovered CI/CD.
unlike the other AI companys, hes using GROK as a pure propaganda machine, the others were trying to profit from it, but is losing money instead.
Outpace toward what though? What is the goal?
If it's just about the need to lobotomise an AI that is trained on super unhinged data, then yeah I guess the Musk Rat is right, but it's also the only one in the race though.
I didn't think "ai"bros could get any fucking stupider.
Musk really does innovate. I think this might be the stupidest shit that i have ever read.
That statement would make a lot more sense with a benchmark graph based on standardised tasks.
It's a turk, confirmed.
This is kind of funny but sad, like when you see an animal accidentally kill itself.
Who's going to tell him?
I thought Musk was in a ketamine hole when announcing lawsuit against Apple and OpenAI. Waking up briefly to add this legal argument is not proof of not still being in hole.
None of this is about value. It's about an idiot selling to idiot stockholders. Wait, no, he doesn't sell twitter stock does he? The thing was he had controlling interest right?
Well, of course daddy's gonna brag about his kid
Do LLMs in fact evolve?
And is it ever in "spontaneous" fashion? In other words, in order to evolve, do they require human intervention?
I want to chat with Ani but she's only available on iOS. Deal-breaker. I hate apple. If or when she is available on PC I might give X my money.