So what you’re telling me is if you lived in Israel you’d be pro-genocide lol. You’re using the exact same logic as a transparent fig leaf for your anger and hatred, just like many Israelis do against Palestinians.
You can’t make blanket statements about people based on where they live or what family they were born to. They’re all different individuals with different beliefs and backgrounds. Not all Israelis support the violence, not all of them are settlers, many were born there. Some even lived there for generations. This is nonsense.
Contextually I thought you were just calling all Israelis settlers. All Israelis (and all Iranians) will be threatened by a war between their countries. But OK, if that’s not what you meant then what I said doesn’t apply. Just a weird thing to focus on since it’s unlikely Iran would specifically target settlers.
IMO a major reason that Israel is levelling Gaza is that it's a one-sided conflict where Israelis are not getting killed. There are apparently 53 Israeli hostages right now, but more than 20,000 Gazans have been killed. There is some pressure to end the conflict, but not enough. If it were a war where Israelis were being killed too, it would end a lot quicker.
I know the Iran / Israel conflict is a different one, but if enough Israelis stop supporting Netanyahu, both conflicts might end. Israeli civilians dying might be the only thing that will stop Netanyahu.
Maybe you should reconsider your prejudice, then. Why are you so spiteful towards the country geopolitically opposed to the genocidal entity and doing something about it? Do you treat western countries (all of them maintaining economic, diplomatic and military ties with Israel) with the same contempt?
The prisoners dilemma is a single decision game: you can tattle or stay silent, and as you don't know what the other does, and due to how things are set up you would prefer to tattle, even if both staying silent yields better results for both parties.
Politics like this is more of a repeated game, like the one described in the link. You can trust one another, in spite of this single iteration Pareto optimal setting favoring betrayal, and work together. But also; show that you are not an easy mark that can be exploited.
Just to add that I have become quite allergic to the “pre-emptive strike”, “weapons of mass destruction “ justification for war. Have we learned nothing?
Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.
I don't think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.
I would have guessed they have been killing gays for millennia. I like to flip the religious nutcase rhetoric on its head and say this is what happens to evil people, they brought it on themselves. It’s what they say when a western country gets attacked or has a natural disaster, they say things like this is god punishing them for accepting gay people. I say this is what they get for killing gays, they are pure evil. Also Israel get what they deserve for their oppression and genocide. Lesson to everyone is stop being evil.
Last year, Lancet estimated the dead in Gaza at about a quarter of a million. A year has passed since then, and the killing has only increased, so it's plausibly at at least twice that now. Approximately 5 percent of people are gay, and Israel makes no destination in killing them, so that's about 25,000 murdered gays.
Exact numbers for Iran are hard to find, but its of the order of magnitude of less then 1 a year, plus 20 in the immediate aftermath of the revolution.
That’s quite a leap in logic. Israel hasn’t killed any of these people because they are gay. I do see the point you are trying to make but defending the systematic killing of gay people undertaken by hamas or iran with whataboutism doesn’t help anyone
Yeah, I've seen a ton of flat-out support for Iran and Hamas on here, and it just hurts my head. Particularly when it comes from members of the LGBTQ communities.
Like... do they not realize what these people would do to them if they had the chance?
Particularly when it comes from members of the LGBTQ communities
So, you, the (likely white and straight) saviour has to tell the gays what to do and who to support?
Israel, by shielding all its genocide in fake rainbow flags and under the guise of "western values", does SO MUCH damage to LGBT communities all over the middle East. When you're seeing "the self-proclaimed gay-friendly Jews" steal your land and attempt to murder your entire people, don't you think there might be reasons why the oppressed end up having negative feelings about gays and Jews? Obviously LGBT-phobia is bad, but it is literally the west who forced this.
In the particular case of Iran, in the mid-20th century, the country democratically elected Mosaddegh, a secular and progressive leader who believed in feminism and who was in a coalition with broad leftists. What did the west do? Economic blockade to Iran because it wanted to nationalise IRANIAN oil fields that belonged primarily to BP, and staged a coup against him.
It's literally the fault of the west that Iran didn't develop as a better-functioning progressive, secular democracy.
Israel has also been supllying drones to Russia. They even demanded Ukraine to surrender to Russia.
This is not to challenge your statement. I find it important to understand that Israel is neither on the side of Ukraine, or on the side of NATO. Israel has no allies, it only has bitches doing its bidding.
In April 2009, Russia purchased its first package of drones from Israel (the Bird Eye-400, eight I-View Mk150 and two Searcher Mk.2 UAVs). The deal was worth $53 million.[231] In a second deal, at the end of 2009, Russia purchased an additional 36 drones from Israel, in a deal worth $100 million.[228]
In October 2010, in a third deal, Russia purchased an additional $400 million of drones from Israel Aerospace Industries. The Israeli drones are to be assembled in Russia.[232] The production of the Russian-Israeli drones began in 2012, and delivery to the Russian military is scheduled for 2014.[228]
In 2015, one of the drones was reportedly shot down by the Ukrainian military near the city of Donetsk, Ukraine.[233]
In September 2015, the Russian Army purchased another $300 million package of drones from Israel, its fourth purchase of Israeli drones.
On 24 February 2022, Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid spoke out against the Russian invasion of Ukraine, stating "Russia's attack against Ukraine is a serious violation of international order,"...
Lapid's remarks were criticized by Opposition Leader Benjamin Netanyahu, who urged the Israeli government "to speak less about what they don't need to talk about" on Russia and accused the government of "too many unnecessary expressions and too many false predictions".
Israel declined to co-sponsor a UN Security Council resolution condemning the Russian invasion, leading to an expression of disappointment by the United States.[118] Israel later voted in favour of a UN General Assembly resolution condemning the invasion.[119] At the request of the United States, Israel also pushed the United Arab Emirates to back the resolution.[120]
An unnamed senior Ukrainian official accused Bennett of having "proposed that we surrender", claiming that Bennett urged Zelenskyy to "take the offer" of a peace deal from Putin. This report was subsequently denied by both the Israeli Prime Minister's office and a senior adviser to Zelenskyy.[125]
Following the Bucha massacre, Israeli Finance Minister Avigdor Lieberman condemned "war crimes" but declined to condemn Russia specifically, describing "mutual accusations" where "Russia blames Ukraine and Ukraine blames Russia", drawing a rebuke from the Ukrainian Ambassador to Israel.[130] However, Foreign Minister Lapid stated that "Russian forces committed war crimes".[131] Israel subsequently voted for a resolution to suspend Russia from the United Nations Human Rights Council.
in February 2025, Israel joined Russia in voting against a UN General Assembly resolution reaffirming Ukraine's territorial integrity.[189]
In February 2025, Israel lobbied the United States to allow Russia to maintain military bases in Syria, as a counterweight to Turkish influence there.[190]
In March 2025, Russia invited Israel to attend its 2025 Moscow Victory Day Parade, despite excluding most Western nations.[191]
Again, Israel has no allies as it extends no loyalty to anyone. It only has bitches doing its bidding.
This data from all EU-27 official arms exports registers shows that between 2015 and 2020, at least 10 EU member states have exported a total of €346 million worth of arms to Russia.s. France, Germany, Italy, Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Croatia, Finland, Slovakia and Spain – to different extents – have sold “military equipment” to Russia
So apparently Spain, France or Germany, full members of NATO, aren't Pro-NATO because they did arms deals with Russia at some point in the past 15 years. Not good analysis in my opinion.
So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?
You see the problem here, right? These aren't black and white, one side good, one side bad situations.
Iran is a terrible country. My partner and I would both be stoned to death there. But there are also queer people living in Iran, in spite of their intolerant regime, many of whom would likely suffer greatly if Isreal manages to force Iran into a war.
Reality is more complicated than just assigning "good guys" and "bad guys". That shit is for Star Wars.
In this specific situation, there is no justification for what Isreal has done. Their attacks on Iran have been unprovoked, and in clear violation of international law. These must recent attacks, by Israel's own admission, include non-military targets which makes them war crimes. Iran on the other hand has responded carefully and proportionally. Does it feel weird to be giving props to such a horrific regime for their behaviour? Absolutely. But it's impossible not to recognize that in this specific situation they are being the adult in the room.
Isreal is actively trying to provoke a war with Iran precisely because they believe it will turn international opinion in their favour, distract from the holocaust they are enacting in Gaza and shore up domestic support for their government. I'm not a fan of anyone involved in this situation, but I sure as hell am not going to express support for the country trying to start a war to distract from their genocide.
Iran has problems, for sure, however it's hardly the worst state in the region. In fact, on multiple occasions they've been willing to work with the UN and US to try and rejoin the international community.
The issue is both Israel and the US have acted like utter asses towards them.
Obama's nuclear deal showed just how willing they were to engage in diplomacy. Even after Trump killed the deal, Iran was saying they'd be willing to renter again.
And frankly, the reason for Israel's attack was almost surely because the Trump admin was again getting close to signing another nuclear deal.
There's way too much conflating of Islamic nations and their policies. Iran isn't perfect or great, but it is better than a fair number of the regions governments including many current allies.
Honestly when I read this it’s just like “you think Iran is bad but really the whole area is a cesspool” not that I personally disagree with that take but not sure you meant to throw the entire region under the bus, where it belongs
So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?
No, as evidenced when I said "Me when people are cheering on Iran, a country that literally executes gay people" instead of "Gay people should be openly supportive of Israel". As you did not read what I wrote, I did not read your further paragraphs about something I did not say.
If you can't understand why your post comes across as potentially saying people should support Israel then you probably shouldn't be speaking out on issues like this.
When you say to someone, "Oh, you support [thing]???" In a negative way, and that thing is something that is diametrically opposed to another thing, it is almost always going to come across as implying support for the diametrically opposed thing. Your reply then comes off as a very bad faith response at best, if not a full stumble into narcissism.
It's possible to not support both sides of a conflict, and wish that nobody supports or cheers on either side. Peace is when Iran and Isreal don't fight at all, not when Isreal is retaliated against for something terrible they did.
Lmao are you actually on tranquilizers or something? I literally, objectively, and demonstratively did not write that. You utter fool, you buffoon, you silly silly person, I am not the writer of the comment at the top of this chain. You are actually arguing with the wrong person.
They clearly stated twice that they are a gay person that does not support Israel. Learn to read instead of just seeing what you want to see to justify your anger.
That explanation came after the fact. The original comment is a reply to the original post, which does not include any of that context. You need to learn how the progression of time works before you try to talk down to me about reading comprehension, because you can't even comprehend what order things arrived in.
Pity. Reading the further paragraphs would have made you realize that I wasn't actually saying the the thing you assumed I was saying. But taking the path of least consideration seems to be your thing, so I can't say I'm surprised.
Like most godfearing red-white-and-blue-blooded Americans, I spend about 16 hours a day watching girls' high school swimming, and let me say, it's a travesty that the sport is 90% trans girls now.
?? Since when is calling out pro-islamists just pretending to be pro-gay rights? Iran beats women to death for wearing the wrong clothes and tortures atheists if you want some more groups you can claim I'm just pretending to care about.
Iran is "within their rights" to bomb Israel back. Both the Israeli and Iranian governments are evil, run by evil men, and I wish nothing but unpleasantness for them both.
I've been seeing people defend Iran like they're some saints randomly sucker punched instead of a vile state set on building nukes to do holocaust 2. Hence the meme.
Do I think people are stupid for defending Iran? If I answered that honestly, I would user much more accurate words and a mod would ding me for civility.
There is concept on the left called "critical support" it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.
In this case we can say: For sure killing LGBTQ+ people is not good, but striking a country that is currently carrying out a genocide is a good thing.
P.S. if you have better source for critical support please send.
There is concept on the left called “critical support” it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.
also known as "the art of holding more than one thought/belief at once"
Iran's not shooting missiles in defense of Palestine, just in retaliation for Israel shooting at them
And why is Israel shooting at Iran? Maybe because Iran is geopolitically opposed to the naziest state in this century, and that's an awesome thing in and out of itself?
This is important because unthinking tribalism pushes anyone on the fence away from wanting to hear your position, and we don't need any more people pushed to the right.
Like when Trump torpedoed the Trans-Pacific Partnership - which would have meant all involved countries would have fallen under (globally draconian) US intellectual propery law and other controversial changes. In short, it was a huge win for corporations an a huge loss for consumer rights. Trump torpedoed it because it wasn't "putting America first" enough. So, although he stopped it for a stupid reason - it was great that he stopped it anyway.
It was of course renegotiated a few years later as the 'Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership', but notably with almost all of the intellectual property crap removed or vastly de-fanged, and various other controversial provisions removed - and that agreement passed. So it was a lasting win.
But if you ever say 'i hate Trump, but not everything Trump has done is bad because.. ', you are still likely to get a hundred Lemmy downvotes even if you explain why. Hopefully people can learn that you don't have to disagree and disavow someone/some entity all of the time just because you disagree with them in general. A win is a win and it's ok to say 'hey actually that's good', it doesn't mean you support or like them - it just means you think they made one good decision.
It's not why do people support Iran? It's why do people not support Israel?
It's not about critical support it's about critical thinking. It's about the big picture. Not about who to support and who to hate.
It's about control. It's always about control. 97% of politics is distraction and war means politicians have failed their number one reason to he in charge. To make the daily lives of people better.
Israel doesn't need offshore fossil fuel deposits. They just want control of those resources and money.
The most important thing going on right now is the transition to green energy. Not religious people killing each other. People don't like to hear that. Rather than think about that it makes them happy to insult people about it. Just like it makes people happy to have control.
People are cheering on Iran out of pure spite, not out of genuine support for Iran.
The American people are tired of our government spending out tax dollars to support a genocide and then gaslighting us about it when we call them out. They are also persecuting dissenters on it. This has happened under both Biden and Trump, though Trump has leaned more on the persecution. We are fucking sick of it.
There is satisfaction in seeing someone stand up to genocidal Israel, even if the party doing so is despicable in their own right. I think people would greatly prefer getting behind a western democracy taking a stand, but we're at a point where people will take what they can get. Especially with it being clear that the aforementioned western democracies aren't going to do shit against genocidal Israel.
I don’t know much about Iran, but do they have legalized slavery?
It's debatable, and I'm by no means an expert. But forced marriage is still a thing, where you sell your daughter to a man to clear your debts. If you ignore all the sex slaves, there are still about 600k people living in "modern slavery" conditions. The government isn't doing anything about it either from what I gather.
So no, it's not legal the way it is in the US through prison systems, but it is very much a huge issue that isn't being corrected.
But I mean between the US, Israel and Iran... There really are no good guys. Each of these governments does some real horrible shit.
Oh I didn't know America's government executes gay and trans people and tortures atheists. Its funny, there's actually been a few parades on their behalf recently in America, I wonder how that would go down in Iran?
It seems to me this is yet another distraction scheme? Make the people supporting gay rights and the people opposing Israel's cruelty angry at each other?
Don't be fooled. Israel is throwing bombs at civilians regularly because it doesn't even think of Palestinians as humans!
If Israel really stands for "Western values", then i want nothing to do with them. If they throw bombs at innocent people, then they undermine their own credibility and don't deserve to have a say in the world's politics.
Fun fact. Irans executions of gay people in its entire history didn't happen until after the Islamic revolution. Before then and all the way even before the rise of Islam, whatever state that occupied Iran now all had harsh laws against homosexuals...
But enforced none. Not during pre-Roman times, Roman times, early Islamic era, medieval Islamic era, modern Islamic era. None. Not until the 80s did it happen.
It means Iran absolutely can return to a time when homosexuals were at least ignored by the law.
They certainly are in Saudi Arabia. They say if you prosecuted homosexual acts there, you'd have to put a fence around the entire country. I guess forbidding the socializing of females outside of marriage limits options.
We are not talking Saudi Arabia. We are talking Iran.
But there is something I need to mention about Saudi Arabia and executing gay men. I did look at a list of executions for the charge of sodomy (which is what it is referred to as. Simply identifying as a gay man doesn't appear to be an offense. They need to catch two men in the act for it to happen) is when those executions happen it was never just for sodomy, it was usually compounded by another (universally serious) offense such as rape of a child and/or murder.
So the gay men being executed weren't just accused of fucking another man, but also of killing another person (quite possibly the same guy) or of raping a child.
Now am I missing some cases? Maybe. I dont spend that much time looking at Saudi Arabia's prolific executions (they execute more people per capita than any other country), but most people executed in Saudi Arabia aren't gays, they are drug smugglers.
I do not agree with the death penalty at all. So even executing drug smugglers is off-limits to me. Drugs should be legalized (or at least decriminalized) and strictly regulated, but no prison time for them, and certainly not an execution.
I'd definitely be in favor of a few WWII-participant states' total collapse. The expansionist genocidal ethnostate is a clear pick for sure, and the oppressive totalitarian government on its Eastern front wouldn't be a great loss either
So you would have supported the total collapse of the US, Britian, and France? Because so far it seems like you're just a white supremacist and western chauvinist.
It’s called critical support. I can support both Iran’s self-defense from genocidal maniacs while simultaneously criticizing them for their human rights abuses. It’s something that people with a functioning brain can do - hold two ideas in their head at once.
Besides, Israel has killed more gay people in the last year just through sheer numbers of the people they’ve exterminated than Iran has ever.
Supporting Iran limits the ability of Israel to commit to their genocide, support Israel only enhances their capability to genocide and supporting neither only benefits Israel which make use of their partnership with the west
Hate Iran all you want, despise them, that's fine, but we need to pick anything at this point when the alternative is Israel
It might be better for the gays in Israel, but what about the gays in Palestine, or simply the people within Gaza?
You can reform a state to treat gay people like humans, you can't reform a genocidal state
Eh, one side is committing genocide, has been ethnically cleansing Palestinian, continually attacking neighboring countries, and effectively murdering gay people as well (do you think the 2000 pound bombs make an exception for gay people?) and the other side is a theocracy with all the flaws that come with that. When it comes down to it, Israel is far, far worse than Iran. You can support parties you're critical of.
Purity politics needs to end. Some of you MFs need to learn strategy, and play a game like Civ. If Iran harasses Israel, bully for us. Two of the worst people we know are now fighting, we should celebrate this reprieve.
Exactly. Let them at eachother. It's sad about the civilians, but then again, they have the regimes they deserve. If they didn't they'd do something about it.
If a country that was more progressive than the US (not hard to find one) started bombing the shit out of New York City, would you be like “well, they deserve it for their transphobia”?
Do you realize that Orthodox Jews consider women to be inferior to men? Like, they won’t even shake a woman’s hand.
Sacha Baron Cohen, Zionist shithead though he is, actually got chased down the street in Israel by an angry mob for playing his flamboyant gay character Bruno. He had to yell “I’m a Jew I’m a Jew” to keep from getting the shit kicked out of him.
Israel is literally committing genocide RIGHT NOW. I’m sure there are plenty of gay, trans, nonbinary Palestinians who have head their limbs blown off, if that’s really what upsets you.
The genocide apologism is so obvious it’s sad. You point to one issue that will make liberals go “oh no, scary Muslims!” and you run with that. Fix your heart.
Nobody is out there crowing about the superiority of Iran. Or how Iran is sooooooo great.
It's just schadenfreude. It's a quadruple heroin overdose of schadenfreude directly in our veins. We've screamed and cried and protested and called reps and done everything we could for 2 years while watching a genocide live on TV. For 2 years.
It's very cathartic to see that evil genocidal pedophile colony get its shit rocked. I cheered watching a hypersonic missile hit the Israeli Pentagon and I'll keep cheering.
Israel hit first. They called it preemptive but it was premeditated. Big difference. They punched above their weight now the hit dog is hollering. The very moment Israel sues for peace and comes to the table with concessions I'll support the violence coming to a negotiated end. And not a moment before. Until then. Pound them into fucking sand. Twist the goddamn knife.
Chump can get involved if he wants but I won't go die for Israel. Not for all the money held by the Forbes 500. If they call a draft I'll dodge it.
Very much not because of religion, and I say this as a staunch atheist. Iran was well on its way to progressive and secular reform, separation of state and church, and leftism, during the government coalition that put Mosaddegh in the government somewhat above half a century ago. It was the US + UK who militarily embargoed the country and bribed authorities, mafias and religious leaders, as well as paid actors to destroy private property and pretend to be progovernment, in order to (sadly successfully)'coup the president because British Petroleum wanted absolute control of Iranian oil.
The west destroyed Iran, it's not religion that did. We literally supported the Shah at the time.
Me when a guy in a white supremacist administration makes a nazi salute and the ADL goes "no, it wasn't"
Me when an interest group which for decades has cried out against genocide and targeted ethno-religious persecution actively and deliberately proclaims it is going to eliminate an entire ethno-religious group from a large area of land
Is the Iran regime bad? Yes. Are they colonial outpost that is actively committing genocide? No. Are the Iranian people settlers like the Israelis? No.
Who is dragging the US into war with Iran and potentially WW3? Israel.
If you're a westerner, your country is actively supporting only one of those sides, so your political aim according to your opinion should be ending all support to that side. Why focus on the other?
Iran has multiple orders of magnitude on its hands - gay or otherwise - than any country that supports Israel.
If you can understand why people cheered on the British Empire during World War Two - even though it was one of the most brutal, genocidal entities in history - but can't understand why people would critically support Iran now, you are just a white supremacist.
ofcourse i do. our cops are racists thugs and i detest them. but in a fight between them and some serial pedophile child murderer, no doubt i will be cheering for the cops and handing them redbull until the pedophile is dead.
and israel is exactly that, they find joy in murdering an innocent family for fun and then block/bomb medical aid so that injured kids die a painful death. if they survive somehow then they do their best to starve them to death.
L take dude. I'm cheering the trump elon beef too but I hate both those freaks.
I personally dislike it because civilians will die over it but maybe less than if they didn't fight back and show isreal consequences? Idk I'm just an idiot. But fuck the leaders tho.
L take if I called out people suddenly being Pro-Muskrat because he's beefing with Trump? Both sides suck here, and I see so-called leftists rooting for a hyperconservative country that exterminate their LGBT population.
You leapt directly to personal insults because I pointed out that Israel would do far worse to the people of Iran if Iran didn't fight back. It's obvious you're just trying to downplay Israel's genocide.
You're doing the equivalent of squealing about people cheering for the British Empire to defeat the Nazis in World War 2.
No one is cheering for "Iran". They are cheering for a country standing up for itself against an aggressive colonizing force bent on expansionism through violent actions currently engaged in unwarranted genocide.
So then what we have here is a conflict between unrepentant, even gleeful genociders, and a bigoted theocratic terrorist state... I mean. They're the same picture.
You're trying to whatabout the unjustifiable barbarism of the Israeli state Zionists who are hell bent on tying practicing Jews and the diaspora to their psycopathic crimes against humanity. Whether you realize it or not.
It's pretty "funny" the amount of people who imagine this as some "foreign conflict" between "two sides", when it's a direct continuation of USAian imperialism. It's not surprising that brainwashed libs are hating on an "official enemy". Libs and their politicians have supported these attacks on Iran for decades.
I think a lot of people are glad that Israel is actually attacking somebody who can fight back now instead of more innocent defenseless children in their open air death camp.
Listen, years ago I rode with Juárez against Emperor Maximilian. I lost many chickens but I thought it was worth it to be free. When Porfirio became President, I supported him – but he stole my chickens. Then came Huerta and he stole my chickens. Then it was Carranza’s term, and he stole my chickens too. Now comes Pancho Villa to liberate me and the first thing he does is steal my chickens.(…) What makes one different from the others? My chickens don’t know. All over the world revolutions come and go. Presidents rise and fall. They all stole your chickens. The only thing to change is the name of the man who takes them.
―Old Man in Pueblo, Young Indiana Jones
Or for a more modern version
The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace: They never are.
Is not like we have only 2 options. Their is some people organized for emancipation and against their own states in both Iran and Israel.
Campism forget people in focusing on states. That a shame that somme commies took this path :
"the freedom of the workers will be build by the workers themselves " - 1st international statutes
Reminds me of the irony that the country that turned the tide against Nazism was the country that killed, displaced, and imprisoned almost the whole indigenous population.
Have you ever seen a map of Russia? You think a country gets that big peacefully? Look up the income disparity between the Moscow / St. P west of Russia vs the vast majority.
The Russian Empire didn't genocide the entirety of the continent in pursuit of a white ethnostate, unlike the US. Surely it did harrowing stuff because, I mean, medieval regimes, but as of today, Russia is vastly more diverse than the US, and it has many regions with non-slavic ethnicities constituting a majority: think Yakut, Tatars, Mari, Chechen...
Considering the murder of the little Iranian girl for not wearing a headscarf, they seem to have relaxed that requirement. Still a shitty country. But the instigator is Israel and the USA right nowm
I was just banned from world news by @geneva_convenience for daring to voice this outrageous opinion. This conflict is Gilead vs Nazis. Neither side is the 'good guy'. Whoever wins, freedom and equality loses.
Yah, I have no dog in this fight. I just don't want to get drawn into it. I am over the ME for good. No good actors.
However, I wish my nation would welcome refugees, the innocents who are caught up in this and need refuge and asylum. So... the US sucks too for not offering it. I cared for a young woman from Iraq, a refugee, the other day. She spent 8 years in a refugee camp in Turkey (d/t Trump immigration/refugee bans) before finally coming here. She has 2 children, a worried husband and she is pretty sick now. I hope she can get the surgery she needs.
The whole point of the meme is that you absolutely should not be friends with Iran which beats women to death for not wearing hijabs and tortures atheists and LGBTQ people.
Yeah, when a country persecutes queer people they lose the right to defend themselves from countries building weapons caches in their boarders. Then using those caches to blow up civilians.
That's why I'm in favour of bombing London and Florida.
In the past two months of your post history, there's not one post condemning Israel for its genocide, can you link to any post of yours targeting Israel?
The issue is that you're acting as if the people who were always in favour of the Iranian government wouldn't have cheered anyways, and that people just turned "pro iran" after they bombed Israel, when that is clearly not the case.
You are going to see people who are in favour of the Iranian government cheer on, but that doesn't mean that they are people who weren't in favour of the Iranian regime suddenly turned pro Iranian government.
See man you do it all the time. Nobody was "cheering on Iran". You're a propaganda agent for the genocide. Even homophobic populations don't deserve to get fucking bombed, retard.
Do you wish the same for western countries, most of which support the genocide in Palestine through the economic, diplomatic and military ties with Israel?
Last I heard Israel was striking military targets in Iran, so I guess I'm out of the loop here. And here I thought they might have actually decided to not be a Russia for one goddamn day. I shoulda known it was too good to be true.
Cope harder, scratched liberal. The collective west is the greatest source of human death and suffering in human history by a long shot. Fuck, Israel is its spawn and Iran is its victim.
The west: destroys Iran's possibility of choosing is own future last century when its people democratically elected Mosaddegh, who was enacting progressive and secular policy, and wanted the profits of Iranian oil to stay in Iran instead of being sucked by Britain through British Petroleum. Economically and militarily blockades the country to prevent oil exports, bribes religious authorities to radicalise the masses against progressives, and pays for mafias and actors to both destroy private property and alienate people and to head western-funded anti-Mossadegh protests that culminated in the toppling of Iran's greatest chance at progressivism, democracy and industrialisation
Scratched liberals like you: "these radical religious Asians are so violent"
Yeah nah. Iran is at the heart of Evil Empire Alliance A and Israel is at the heart of Evil Alliance B
There is nothing good about Iran or Israel's govt. They're both evil, and they're aligned with countries some of whom are also doing (or have done) evil.
This is a false equivalence. Iran's government has human rights issues, but the US-Israel alliance has caused far more global military destruction and civilian casualties since 1948
US invasions span every continent killing millions whereas Iran has never before attacked a country directly.
Iran hasn't overthrown dozens of governments in regime change operations either.
Turning this into a "Both sides" arguments ignores demonstrable empirical differences in death and destruction.
Oh so only a little genocidal murder is perfectly fine, because there are others who did far more genocidal murder? Do you even listen to yourself how incredibly stupid your argument is?
This is not a zero sum game, you can oppose both, just because you want to oppose one more doesn't mean that the other one is someone to cheer for.
The US and UK literally created the conditions for contemporary Iran. They toppled Mossadegh and sowed the seeds of religious extremism. You're blaming the victims of the western empire for the consequences they're suffering, you uneducated chauvinist.
I mean executing gay people is better than executing everyone, which is what Israel is doing and Iran is the only independent actor meaningfully acting to prevent.
I mean executing gay people is better than executing everyone, which is what Israel is doing and Iran is the only independent actor meaningfully acting to prevent.
No, it is not better. It is equally as bad. Stop with the moronic "they are opposing my enemy so they must be my hero" nonsense. It makes you as bad as them.
I mean, basically all resistance to Israeli occupation and genocide in the region is armed by Iran, even without Israeli bombs dropping from the sky. This is, of course, more about the geopolitical rivalry between Iran and Israel than Khomeini's humanitarian sensibilities, but it's still true that a Middle East without an active Iran would be a lot better for Israel and a lot worse for everyone under their thumb.
Edit: And what Israel is trying to accomplish here (and has been trying to accomplish for decades) is defang Iran specifically because Iran is their only major geopolitical adversary. I don't have to like Iran (which I don't, to be clear) to believe that Israel's goals and methods are despicable and hope they fail.
OK, let's go one step further: why did Iran get bombed by Israel? Huh, what do you mean Iran consistently opposed the stance, policy and even the existence of the genocidal Zionist entity? Nah, history begins on June 13th, much like it used to begin on Oct. 7th
This is a "let them fight" situation
I guess but it sucks for civilians caught in the crossfire. Can’t we just have a Khamenei/Bibi cage fight instead?
And then we just don’t let the winner out of the cage.
I'd be down for that. Let the leaders fight!
kinda like an inverse hunger games?
I'd hope for some good old celebrity death match entertainment.
The problem is, large parts of each country are supporting their government in what they're doing.
No uninvolved civilians huh? Where have I heard that before…
So what you’re telling me is if you lived in Israel you’d be pro-genocide lol. You’re using the exact same logic as a transparent fig leaf for your anger and hatred, just like many Israelis do against Palestinians.
You can’t make blanket statements about people based on where they live or what family they were born to. They’re all different individuals with different beliefs and backgrounds. Not all Israelis support the violence, not all of them are settlers, many were born there. Some even lived there for generations. This is nonsense.
Contextually I thought you were just calling all Israelis settlers. All Israelis (and all Iranians) will be threatened by a war between their countries. But OK, if that’s not what you meant then what I said doesn’t apply. Just a weird thing to focus on since it’s unlikely Iran would specifically target settlers.
Make it a knife fight.
There are no winners in a knife fight.
IMO a major reason that Israel is levelling Gaza is that it's a one-sided conflict where Israelis are not getting killed. There are apparently 53 Israeli hostages right now, but more than 20,000 Gazans have been killed. There is some pressure to end the conflict, but not enough. If it were a war where Israelis were being killed too, it would end a lot quicker.
I know the Iran / Israel conflict is a different one, but if enough Israelis stop supporting Netanyahu, both conflicts might end. Israeli civilians dying might be the only thing that will stop Netanyahu.
Iran has the right to defend itself, as they like to say
Another reason to hate Israel. They're making me agree with Iran.
Ew.
Maybe you should reconsider your prejudice, then. Why are you so spiteful towards the country geopolitically opposed to the genocidal entity and doing something about it? Do you treat western countries (all of them maintaining economic, diplomatic and military ties with Israel) with the same contempt?
According to Veritasium and Game Theory (The prisoners dilemma) a retaliation is what should be done in this case
https://youtu.be/mScpHTIi-kM
I personally prefer the more complex setup discussed in https://ncase.me/trust/.
The prisoners dilemma is a single decision game: you can tattle or stay silent, and as you don't know what the other does, and due to how things are set up you would prefer to tattle, even if both staying silent yields better results for both parties.
Politics like this is more of a repeated game, like the one described in the link. You can trust one another, in spite of this single iteration Pareto optimal setting favoring betrayal, and work together. But also; show that you are not an easy mark that can be exploited.
Agreed. The the enemy of my enemy is my, uh, enemy? They both suck lol
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's other enemy.
Nothing more, nothing less
Realpolitik is German for "short-term thinking that will eventually bite you in the arse".
Maxim #29
Exactly. Stop giving Israel weapons.
Just to add that I have become quite allergic to the “pre-emptive strike”, “weapons of mass destruction “ justification for war. Have we learned nothing?
We did learn that orchestrating these gets you paraded around by the "progressive" party in the US during the last election...
That'd be pretty swell, but then maybe please don't go defend Israel from the consequences of its actions?
You would have said the same thing about World War 2.
Which side is supposed to be Poland in your shitty analogy?
The one being attacked, obviously.
Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.
I don't think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.
80* years
No, 2 years. To go with the "en mass" part in particular.
How long has Iran been killing gays?
I'm guessing it really picked up after the 1979 islamic revolution, so 46 years.
The state of Israel was recognised by the US in 1948, so 77 years ago.
How does this plays out in your head now? Please explain, but I'm really curious how one thing related to the other.
I would have guessed they have been killing gays for millennia. I like to flip the religious nutcase rhetoric on its head and say this is what happens to evil people, they brought it on themselves. It’s what they say when a western country gets attacked or has a natural disaster, they say things like this is god punishing them for accepting gay people. I say this is what they get for killing gays, they are pure evil. Also Israel get what they deserve for their oppression and genocide. Lesson to everyone is stop being evil.
Israel has killed more gays in the last year than Iran has in its existence
Really? Source for that, seems very hard to believe
Last year, Lancet estimated the dead in Gaza at about a quarter of a million. A year has passed since then, and the killing has only increased, so it's plausibly at at least twice that now. Approximately 5 percent of people are gay, and Israel makes no destination in killing them, so that's about 25,000 murdered gays.
Exact numbers for Iran are hard to find, but its of the order of magnitude of less then 1 a year, plus 20 in the immediate aftermath of the revolution.
So it's a two digit number vs a five digit one.
That’s quite a leap in logic. Israel hasn’t killed any of these people because they are gay. I do see the point you are trying to make but defending the systematic killing of gay people undertaken by hamas or iran with whataboutism doesn’t help anyone
I wish that was true, but I've seen plenty of people cheer Iran on in general.
Campism is utter brainrot.
Yeah, I've seen a ton of flat-out support for Iran and Hamas on here, and it just hurts my head. Particularly when it comes from members of the LGBTQ communities.
Like... do they not realize what these people would do to them if they had the chance?
Why are we dumbing down the situation here? Life isn't about single issues.
Maybe we've seen different posts, but don't conflate the need to stop Israel's mad crusade with supporting Iran's regime.
The OP is literally talking about cheering Iran. So it is definitely about single issues for a lot of people.
So, you, the (likely white and straight) saviour has to tell the gays what to do and who to support?
Israel, by shielding all its genocide in fake rainbow flags and under the guise of "western values", does SO MUCH damage to LGBT communities all over the middle East. When you're seeing "the self-proclaimed gay-friendly Jews" steal your land and attempt to murder your entire people, don't you think there might be reasons why the oppressed end up having negative feelings about gays and Jews? Obviously LGBT-phobia is bad, but it is literally the west who forced this.
In the particular case of Iran, in the mid-20th century, the country democratically elected Mosaddegh, a secular and progressive leader who believed in feminism and who was in a coalition with broad leftists. What did the west do? Economic blockade to Iran because it wanted to nationalise IRANIAN oil fields that belonged primarily to BP, and staged a coup against him.
It's literally the fault of the west that Iran didn't develop as a better-functioning progressive, secular democracy.
You say that as if half of the people in their home country don't want to do the same shit?
Do you not realize what Israel would do to you if you went to Gaza and tried to protect Palestinians?
The brainrot here in these comments is the blatant disregard for genocide of Palestinians by Israel.
Not cheering on their domestic policy, but ppl are xheering on their choice to defend themselves from attack.
Well said
And Iran has been supplying drones for Russia so they can do the same in Ukraine.
They are both shit countries committing genocide directly or indirectly, they should fight each other to extinction.
Israel has also been supllying drones to Russia. They even demanded Ukraine to surrender to Russia.
This is not to challenge your statement. I find it important to understand that Israel is neither on the side of Ukraine, or on the side of NATO. Israel has no allies, it only has bitches doing its bidding.
The things I have to read on this website, I swear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations#Drones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Again, Israel has no allies as it extends no loyalty to anyone. It only has bitches doing its bidding.
Israel's only loyalty is to the United States of America, let's not forget that.
Did @[email protected]’s comment bring that claim into context or is it not a fully proper response to your complaint?
(PS: Jewish people are cool, genocide is bad, not tricking you - srs & honest in spite of my username)
A few isolated events of drone purchases aren't enough to make such a claim IMO. E.g.:
https://www.investigate-europe.eu/posts/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia
So apparently Spain, France or Germany, full members of NATO, aren't Pro-NATO because they did arms deals with Russia at some point in the past 15 years. Not good analysis in my opinion.
Governments != Citizenry.
Both governments should fight each other to extinction, excluding citizens.
Unfortunately, both Israel and Iran have been targeting civilian centers, starting with Israel, which is depressing.
So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?
You see the problem here, right? These aren't black and white, one side good, one side bad situations.
Iran is a terrible country. My partner and I would both be stoned to death there. But there are also queer people living in Iran, in spite of their intolerant regime, many of whom would likely suffer greatly if Isreal manages to force Iran into a war.
Reality is more complicated than just assigning "good guys" and "bad guys". That shit is for Star Wars.
In this specific situation, there is no justification for what Isreal has done. Their attacks on Iran have been unprovoked, and in clear violation of international law. These must recent attacks, by Israel's own admission, include non-military targets which makes them war crimes. Iran on the other hand has responded carefully and proportionally. Does it feel weird to be giving props to such a horrific regime for their behaviour? Absolutely. But it's impossible not to recognize that in this specific situation they are being the adult in the room.
Isreal is actively trying to provoke a war with Iran precisely because they believe it will turn international opinion in their favour, distract from the holocaust they are enacting in Gaza and shore up domestic support for their government. I'm not a fan of anyone involved in this situation, but I sure as hell am not going to express support for the country trying to start a war to distract from their genocide.
Very well said and 100% accurate.
Basically, it’s like watching two of the worst people you know go at it in a fight.
Iran has problems, for sure, however it's hardly the worst state in the region. In fact, on multiple occasions they've been willing to work with the UN and US to try and rejoin the international community.
The issue is both Israel and the US have acted like utter asses towards them.
Obama's nuclear deal showed just how willing they were to engage in diplomacy. Even after Trump killed the deal, Iran was saying they'd be willing to renter again.
And frankly, the reason for Israel's attack was almost surely because the Trump admin was again getting close to signing another nuclear deal.
There's way too much conflating of Islamic nations and their policies. Iran isn't perfect or great, but it is better than a fair number of the regions governments including many current allies.
Honestly when I read this it’s just like “you think Iran is bad but really the whole area is a cesspool” not that I personally disagree with that take but not sure you meant to throw the entire region under the bus, where it belongs
That would be the US fighting Israel
Yeah like, can they both lose please?
I think that's how wars usually go
"Can the British Empire and Nazi Germany both lose please"
No, as evidenced when I said "Me when people are cheering on Iran, a country that literally executes gay people" instead of "Gay people should be openly supportive of Israel". As you did not read what I wrote, I did not read your further paragraphs about something I did not say.
If you can't understand why your post comes across as potentially saying people should support Israel then you probably shouldn't be speaking out on issues like this.
When you say to someone, "Oh, you support [thing]???" In a negative way, and that thing is something that is diametrically opposed to another thing, it is almost always going to come across as implying support for the diametrically opposed thing. Your reply then comes off as a very bad faith response at best, if not a full stumble into narcissism.
I think this says more about your limited perspective than ops, truthfully.
Exactly how is my perspective limited when I am literally empathizing with the perspective of someone else?
It's possible to not support both sides of a conflict, and wish that nobody supports or cheers on either side. Peace is when Iran and Isreal don't fight at all, not when Isreal is retaliated against for something terrible they did.
You wrote that, which you ironically follow with your straw man of OP
Lmao are you actually on tranquilizers or something? I literally, objectively, and demonstratively did not write that. You utter fool, you buffoon, you silly silly person, I am not the writer of the comment at the top of this chain. You are actually arguing with the wrong person.
It sounds like you're projecting a lot.
They clearly stated twice that they are a gay person that does not support Israel. Learn to read instead of just seeing what you want to see to justify your anger.
That explanation came after the fact. The original comment is a reply to the original post, which does not include any of that context. You need to learn how the progression of time works before you try to talk down to me about reading comprehension, because you can't even comprehend what order things arrived in.
Pity. Reading the further paragraphs would have made you realize that I wasn't actually saying the the thing you assumed I was saying. But taking the path of least consideration seems to be your thing, so I can't say I'm surprised.
there is absolutely nothing in the post that's pro-Israel. it's purely to remind people that two different things can both be bad.
both states, Israel and Iran, love doing crimes against humanity, and neither should be celebrated.
You nailed it
Where did he say that he supports Israel?
If one tribe is bad, the other one must automatically be the good one.
There can never be such a thing as TWO bad tribes fighting each other.
The dreaded heel vs heel match
With ordinary people who just want to live their lives slaughtered by both.
Wow people really out here having no clue what the zio regime is about...
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-28/ty-article-magazine/.premium/yes-to-transfer-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-expelling-gazans/00000197-12a4-df22-a9d7-9ef6af930000
me when people like you conveniently start to pretend to care about gay people only when something happens to Israel
The other 350 days a year they're "concerned" about the fairness of allowing trans athletes to compete.
Like most godfearing red-white-and-blue-blooded Americans, I spend about 16 hours a day watching girls' high school swimming, and let me say, it's a travesty that the sport is 90% trans girls now.
the coverage of it on certain outlets is 90% trans girls, that's for sure
?? Since when is calling out pro-islamists just pretending to be pro-gay rights? Iran beats women to death for wearing the wrong clothes and tortures atheists if you want some more groups you can claim I'm just pretending to care about.
Iran is "within their rights" to bomb Israel back. Both the Israeli and Iranian governments are evil, run by evil men, and I wish nothing but unpleasantness for them both.
I've been seeing people defend Iran like they're some saints randomly sucker punched instead of a vile state set on building nukes to do holocaust 2. Hence the meme.
Do I think people are stupid for defending Iran? If I answered that honestly, I would user much more accurate words and a mod would ding me for civility.
[citation fucking needed]
There is concept on the left called "critical support" it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.
In this case we can say: For sure killing LGBTQ+ people is not good, but striking a country that is currently carrying out a genocide is a good thing.
P.S. if you have better source for critical support please send.
also known as "the art of holding more than one thought/belief at once"
are you citing 1984 to this guy?
You can hold multiple beliefs at once without them contradicting, having more than one belief isn't automatically doublethink
yeah that's what i meant, in case i wasn't clear enough
Yeah, I was answering to the person who answered you, who apparently thinks having more than one belief as a time is doublethinking because double=2
Iran's not shooting missiles in defense of Palestine, just in retaliation for Israel shooting at them.
But there's certainly a level of "oh, is blowing up an apartment building a bad thing? Then WTF have you doing???"
Good point, I still think that no matter (for this case at least) why are they doing it for, they are opposing Israel, and that is a good thing.
And why is Israel shooting at Iran? Maybe because Iran is geopolitically opposed to the naziest state in this century, and that's an awesome thing in and out of itself?
who told you that
This is important because unthinking tribalism pushes anyone on the fence away from wanting to hear your position, and we don't need any more people pushed to the right.
Like when Trump torpedoed the Trans-Pacific Partnership - which would have meant all involved countries would have fallen under (globally draconian) US intellectual propery law and other controversial changes. In short, it was a huge win for corporations an a huge loss for consumer rights. Trump torpedoed it because it wasn't "putting America first" enough. So, although he stopped it for a stupid reason - it was great that he stopped it anyway.
It was of course renegotiated a few years later as the 'Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership', but notably with almost all of the intellectual property crap removed or vastly de-fanged, and various other controversial provisions removed - and that agreement passed. So it was a lasting win.
But if you ever say 'i hate Trump, but not everything Trump has done is bad because.. ', you are still likely to get a hundred Lemmy downvotes even if you explain why. Hopefully people can learn that you don't have to disagree and disavow someone/some entity all of the time just because you disagree with them in general. A win is a win and it's ok to say 'hey actually that's good', it doesn't mean you support or like them - it just means you think they made one good decision.
It's not why do people support Iran? It's why do people not support Israel?
It's not about critical support it's about critical thinking. It's about the big picture. Not about who to support and who to hate.
It's about control. It's always about control. 97% of politics is distraction and war means politicians have failed their number one reason to he in charge. To make the daily lives of people better.
Israel doesn't need offshore fossil fuel deposits. They just want control of those resources and money.
The most important thing going on right now is the transition to green energy. Not religious people killing each other. People don't like to hear that. Rather than think about that it makes them happy to insult people about it. Just like it makes people happy to have control.
Me when people are cheering on Israel, a country that literally executes innocent children
haven't you heard, Gaza isn't friendly to gays, that's why it's ok to bomb all the people of gaza indiscriminately, including the gays.
Our own leadership isn't friendly to gays.
People are cheering on Iran out of pure spite, not out of genuine support for Iran.
The American people are tired of our government spending out tax dollars to support a genocide and then gaslighting us about it when we call them out. They are also persecuting dissenters on it. This has happened under both Biden and Trump, though Trump has leaned more on the persecution. We are fucking sick of it.
There is satisfaction in seeing someone stand up to genocidal Israel, even if the party doing so is despicable in their own right. I think people would greatly prefer getting behind a western democracy taking a stand, but we're at a point where people will take what they can get. Especially with it being clear that the aforementioned western democracies aren't going to do shit against genocidal Israel.
And trans people aren’t treated as equal and they are constantly attacked by their fellow citizens.
Oh wait that’s America.
I don’t know much about Iran, but do they have legalized slavery? Because America does.
It's debatable, and I'm by no means an expert. But forced marriage is still a thing, where you sell your daughter to a man to clear your debts. If you ignore all the sex slaves, there are still about 600k people living in "modern slavery" conditions. The government isn't doing anything about it either from what I gather.
So no, it's not legal the way it is in the US through prison systems, but it is very much a huge issue that isn't being corrected.
But I mean between the US, Israel and Iran... There really are no good guys. Each of these governments does some real horrible shit.
Ask the women.
Oh I didn't know America's government executes gay and trans people and tortures atheists. Its funny, there's actually been a few parades on their behalf recently in America, I wonder how that would go down in Iran?
The US kills by the thousands overseas, including LGBT people. There is more LGBT blood on the USs hands than Iran's, by far.
It seems to me this is yet another distraction scheme? Make the people supporting gay rights and the people opposing Israel's cruelty angry at each other?
Don't be fooled. Israel is throwing bombs at civilians regularly because it doesn't even think of Palestinians as humans!
If Israel really stands for "Western values", then i want nothing to do with them. If they throw bombs at innocent people, then they undermine their own credibility and don't deserve to have a say in the world's politics.
Nah dog. We ain't cheering. We eating popcorn.
Fun fact. Irans executions of gay people in its entire history didn't happen until after the Islamic revolution. Before then and all the way even before the rise of Islam, whatever state that occupied Iran now all had harsh laws against homosexuals...
But enforced none. Not during pre-Roman times, Roman times, early Islamic era, medieval Islamic era, modern Islamic era. None. Not until the 80s did it happen.
It means Iran absolutely can return to a time when homosexuals were at least ignored by the law.
They certainly are in Saudi Arabia. They say if you prosecuted homosexual acts there, you'd have to put a fence around the entire country. I guess forbidding the socializing of females outside of marriage limits options.
We are not talking Saudi Arabia. We are talking Iran.
But there is something I need to mention about Saudi Arabia and executing gay men. I did look at a list of executions for the charge of sodomy (which is what it is referred to as. Simply identifying as a gay man doesn't appear to be an offense. They need to catch two men in the act for it to happen) is when those executions happen it was never just for sodomy, it was usually compounded by another (universally serious) offense such as rape of a child and/or murder.
So the gay men being executed weren't just accused of fucking another man, but also of killing another person (quite possibly the same guy) or of raping a child.
Now am I missing some cases? Maybe. I dont spend that much time looking at Saudi Arabia's prolific executions (they execute more people per capita than any other country), but most people executed in Saudi Arabia aren't gays, they are drug smugglers.
I do not agree with the death penalty at all. So even executing drug smugglers is off-limits to me. Drugs should be legalized (or at least decriminalized) and strictly regulated, but no prison time for them, and certainly not an execution.
I'm somewhere along the lines of "I just hope both teams have fun", but the opposite of that
Wishing both sides a very happy total collapse of their existing state
The people of Iran do not deserve this. They are under religious authoritarian rule and suffer every day at the hands of these brutes.
Israel on the other hand has many people that support genocide against the Palestinians.
I hope none of the resistance in Israel get hurt or are displaced. I hope no innocent civilians get hurt or are displaced in Iran.
What are you doing having a sensible and empathetic take around here ?
Would you have said the same during World War 2? Or are you a rascist hypocrite?
I'd definitely be in favor of a few WWII-participant states' total collapse. The expansionist genocidal ethnostate is a clear pick for sure, and the oppressive totalitarian government on its Eastern front wouldn't be a great loss either
The situation isn't terribly dissimilar, actually
So you would have supported the total collapse of the US, Britian, and France? Because so far it seems like you're just a white supremacist and western chauvinist.
Isreal is backing the party that wants to do that in my country. Fuck em
Israel backs any party likely to win.
I don't think people are cheering on Iran, I think they're cheering for Israel to be on the receiving side of violence for once.
No sympathy for either except civilians caught in between.
The best thing in this is that Russia may receive less drones from Iran used to bombard Ukraine, so that makes me happy
Is it possible they are both just very very bad?
Thanks to Project 2025, the USA is not far behind Iran.
And consider which candidate Israel supported during 2024 election
It’s called critical support. I can support both Iran’s self-defense from genocidal maniacs while simultaneously criticizing them for their human rights abuses. It’s something that people with a functioning brain can do - hold two ideas in their head at once.
Besides, Israel has killed more gay people in the last year just through sheer numbers of the people they’ve exterminated than Iran has ever.
Meaning Isreal is behaving worse than them
Sure, but the enemy of your enemy is not automatically good.
yhea, but when your enemy is conducting a non stop genocide, i don't care who stops it as long as someone intervenes.
and clearly, it was non of the western liberal civilization.
"In normal times, evil should be fought by good, but in times like this, well, it should be fought by another kind of evil"
-Chronicles of Riddick
“Lesser-evilism for me but not for thee”
Supporting Iran limits the ability of Israel to commit to their genocide, support Israel only enhances their capability to genocide and supporting neither only benefits Israel which make use of their partnership with the west
Hate Iran all you want, despise them, that's fine, but we need to pick anything at this point when the alternative is Israel
It might be better for the gays in Israel, but what about the gays in Palestine, or simply the people within Gaza?
You can reform a state to treat gay people like humans, you can't reform a genocidal state
The Christian Right that faithfully facilitates Israel's decades of war crimes surely has no problem with gay people.
Does it matter if it's Iran? They are still the victims here. Israel is downright genocidal, and won't stop in Iran!
Eh, one side is committing genocide, has been ethnically cleansing Palestinian, continually attacking neighboring countries, and effectively murdering gay people as well (do you think the 2000 pound bombs make an exception for gay people?) and the other side is a theocracy with all the flaws that come with that. When it comes down to it, Israel is far, far worse than Iran. You can support parties you're critical of.
Purity politics needs to end. Some of you MFs need to learn strategy, and play a game like Civ. If Iran harasses Israel, bully for us. Two of the worst people we know are now fighting, we should celebrate this reprieve.
Maybe they are cheering against Israel and not so much for Iran.
Because their enemy is currently executing literally everyone, gay or otherwise
Because the opposite side is Israel, a country that literally executes medics and children
That doesn't mean you have to support Iran, a country that literally executes women and gay people.
Exactly. Let them at eachother. It's sad about the civilians, but then again, they have the regimes they deserve. If they didn't they'd do something about it.
Doesn't Iran have the regime the US (actually it might be the UK this time?) forced upon it?
Not like the West/USA had anything to do with either, right?
Pretty fucking rich coming from a westerner
Can we at least agree that apartheid and genocide are both awful?
If a country that was more progressive than the US (not hard to find one) started bombing the shit out of New York City, would you be like “well, they deserve it for their transphobia”?
Do you realize that Orthodox Jews consider women to be inferior to men? Like, they won’t even shake a woman’s hand.
Sacha Baron Cohen, Zionist shithead though he is, actually got chased down the street in Israel by an angry mob for playing his flamboyant gay character Bruno. He had to yell “I’m a Jew I’m a Jew” to keep from getting the shit kicked out of him.
Israel is literally committing genocide RIGHT NOW. I’m sure there are plenty of gay, trans, nonbinary Palestinians who have head their limbs blown off, if that’s really what upsets you.
The genocide apologism is so obvious it’s sad. You point to one issue that will make liberals go “oh no, scary Muslims!” and you run with that. Fix your heart.
It's not so much cheering on Iran, but not giving a shit about Israel. Like, Israel just attacked Iran, they reap what they sow.
What about Israel, a country that literally executes an entire nation of people, the Palestinians?
Nobody is out there crowing about the superiority of Iran. Or how Iran is sooooooo great.
It's just schadenfreude. It's a quadruple heroin overdose of schadenfreude directly in our veins. We've screamed and cried and protested and called reps and done everything we could for 2 years while watching a genocide live on TV. For 2 years.
It's very cathartic to see that evil genocidal pedophile colony get its shit rocked. I cheered watching a hypersonic missile hit the Israeli Pentagon and I'll keep cheering.
Israel hit first. They called it preemptive but it was premeditated. Big difference. They punched above their weight now the hit dog is hollering. The very moment Israel sues for peace and comes to the table with concessions I'll support the violence coming to a negotiated end. And not a moment before. Until then. Pound them into fucking sand. Twist the goddamn knife.
Chump can get involved if he wants but I won't go die for Israel. Not for all the money held by the Forbes 500. If they call a draft I'll dodge it.
Iran has the right to defend itself.
Yeah watching Iran and Israel fight I don't really feel bad for either side. Does suck for the civilians in the middle though.
'Cause of religion. Don't leave that part out. Also, remember, the US has an office of faith now. lmao
Bro we've had a faith office since Bush 2.
Very much not because of religion, and I say this as a staunch atheist. Iran was well on its way to progressive and secular reform, separation of state and church, and leftism, during the government coalition that put Mosaddegh in the government somewhat above half a century ago. It was the US + UK who militarily embargoed the country and bribed authorities, mafias and religious leaders, as well as paid actors to destroy private property and pretend to be progovernment, in order to (sadly successfully)'coup the president because British Petroleum wanted absolute control of Iranian oil.
The west destroyed Iran, it's not religion that did. We literally supported the Shah at the time.
you have a what now?
OfIcE oF fAiTh! Saddly that really sums up what we have.
Oil, actually.
Every country is fucked now. There are no heroes, only victims and victimizers.
"Me no like cruel tribe. Cruel tribe bomb new tribe, new tribe good????"
I've been getting told for three years that having nuance makes you a Putin shill.
Me when a guy in a white supremacist administration makes a nazi salute and the ADL goes "no, it wasn't"
Me when an interest group which for decades has cried out against genocide and targeted ethno-religious persecution actively and deliberately proclaims it is going to eliminate an entire ethno-religious group from a large area of land
Me when people are defending that
Is the Iran regime bad? Yes. Are they colonial outpost that is actively committing genocide? No. Are the Iranian people settlers like the Israelis? No.
Who is dragging the US into war with Iran and potentially WW3? Israel.
Does this help maybe?
In this conflict I learned to take no side, except the one of the victims who didn't ask to be involved.
You guys also realize gay people in Gaza are also persecuted, right?
Are we confusing governments for the civilians who live under their rule?
Everybody sucks in this conflict.
If you're a westerner, your country is actively supporting only one of those sides, so your political aim according to your opinion should be ending all support to that side. Why focus on the other?
Same was true of World War Two, same is true in Russia/Ukraine. And yet it's clear which side the good one is
Iran has multiple orders of magnitude on its hands - gay or otherwise - than any country that supports Israel.
If you can understand why people cheered on the British Empire during World War Two - even though it was one of the most brutal, genocidal entities in history - but can't understand why people would critically support Iran now, you are just a white supremacist.
Imagine believing the usa is "getting sucked into" this and not a root cause of the problem.
My thoughts watching this shit:
I love Iran's queers and feminists. I hope they come out of this conflict better off than they went in.
Did you know you can do both? Cheer the dick holes getting bombed by the dick holes? True story. Cheering dick holes is bad mmmkay.
Crazy that both these countries exist in the way that they do because of the us
For me it’s my indigenous ass watching American kids cheer Iran and preach to me about colonialism and genocide.
ofcourse i do. our cops are racists thugs and i detest them. but in a fight between them and some serial pedophile child murderer, no doubt i will be cheering for the cops and handing them redbull until the pedophile is dead.
and israel is exactly that, they find joy in murdering an innocent family for fun and then block/bomb medical aid so that injured kids die a painful death. if they survive somehow then they do their best to starve them to death.
L take dude. I'm cheering the trump elon beef too but I hate both those freaks.
I personally dislike it because civilians will die over it but maybe less than if they didn't fight back and show isreal consequences? Idk I'm just an idiot. But fuck the leaders tho.
L take if I called out people suddenly being Pro-Muskrat because he's beefing with Trump? Both sides suck here, and I see so-called leftists rooting for a hyperconservative country that exterminate their LGBT population.
Israel would kill order's of magnitude more LGBT Iranian if Iran didn't fight back
Explain how pointing out Iran is a monstrous government that shouldn't be cheered for makes me a "genocide apologist".
You leapt directly to personal insults because I pointed out that Israel would do far worse to the people of Iran if Iran didn't fight back. It's obvious you're just trying to downplay Israel's genocide.
You're doing the equivalent of squealing about people cheering for the British Empire to defeat the Nazis in World War 2.
I don't think either strikes were good, but I do think that there's a double standard, Israels strikes were fine, but Iran's aren't?
Lesser evil
Genocide executioners vs LBGTQ haters...
Why show support for either?
Why would you support either side in World War 2?
Genocide executioners vs Genocide executioners
Iran isn't perpetrating a genocide, what the hell are you talking about?
You don't have to chose between those those two, you know?
Victims of imperialism vs Aggressors of imperialism
No one is cheering for "Iran". They are cheering for a country standing up for itself against an aggressive colonizing force bent on expansionism through violent actions currently engaged in unwarranted genocide.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Is there a non-literal way to do that?
I hope they both lose.
Would you have said the same in World War 2? Or are you racist hypocrite?
So then what we have here is a conflict between unrepentant, even gleeful genociders, and a bigoted theocratic terrorist state... I mean. They're the same picture.
You're trying to whatabout the unjustifiable barbarism of the Israeli state Zionists who are hell bent on tying practicing Jews and the diaspora to their psycopathic crimes against humanity. Whether you realize it or not.
Is it possible to cheer an action but not the actor?
Like, if someone swims out to save a drowning kid but it turns out they were only there to dump a dead body, can I still be glad they saved the kid?
It's pretty "funny" the amount of people who imagine this as some "foreign conflict" between "two sides", when it's a direct continuation of USAian imperialism. It's not surprising that brainwashed libs are hating on an "official enemy". Libs and their politicians have supported these attacks on Iran for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
is this the definition of a straw man argument?
I think a lot of people are glad that Israel is actually attacking somebody who can fight back now instead of more innocent defenseless children in their open air death camp.
Iran does bad things, yet you cheer their actions. Curious. - Charlie Kirk
They don't even pay you to spin things on Lemmy...
I'm not cheering for either of them and wish they both get what they deserve.
Listen, years ago I rode with Juárez against Emperor Maximilian. I lost many chickens but I thought it was worth it to be free. When Porfirio became President, I supported him – but he stole my chickens. Then came Huerta and he stole my chickens. Then it was Carranza’s term, and he stole my chickens too. Now comes Pancho Villa to liberate me and the first thing he does is steal my chickens.(…) What makes one different from the others? My chickens don’t know. All over the world revolutions come and go. Presidents rise and fall. They all stole your chickens. The only thing to change is the name of the man who takes them.
―Old Man in Pueblo, Young Indiana Jones
Or for a more modern version
The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace: They never are.
Is not like we have only 2 options. Their is some people organized for emancipation and against their own states in both Iran and Israel. Campism forget people in focusing on states. That a shame that somme commies took this path : "the freedom of the workers will be build by the workers themselves " - 1st international statutes
One genocides a subjugated population, the other exterminates queer folks
Just let them have their squabble, walk away, do not touch, discourage others from approaching, bad time for all
America needs to back off and not get involved
Iran is killing civilians in Ukraine. Iran can burn.
yeah yeah let's go war! morons. USA executes poor people, gay or not. how is that for equality and representation?
Reminds me of the irony that the country that turned the tide against Nazism was the country that killed, displaced, and imprisoned almost the whole indigenous population.
... Russia did that? I don't recall
Have you ever seen a map of Russia? You think a country gets that big peacefully? Look up the income disparity between the Moscow / St. P west of Russia vs the vast majority.
The Russian Empire didn't genocide the entirety of the continent in pursuit of a white ethnostate, unlike the US. Surely it did harrowing stuff because, I mean, medieval regimes, but as of today, Russia is vastly more diverse than the US, and it has many regions with non-slavic ethnicities constituting a majority: think Yakut, Tatars, Mari, Chechen...
That's not a justification, Israel is also killing Iranian gay people...
Reading through these comments gives me very little hope. There are a lot of dumbasses with dumbass opinions.
Hey buddy, you gotta understand that we're not far from that here soooo...
Hey buddy, there was literally a parade celebrating them last week in my city instead of a public execution for them. Not close.
Give it a bit. Your city doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Considering the murder of the little Iranian girl for not wearing a headscarf, they seem to have relaxed that requirement. Still a shitty country. But the instigator is Israel and the USA right nowm
I was just banned from world news by @geneva_convenience for daring to voice this outrageous opinion. This conflict is Gilead vs Nazis. Neither side is the 'good guy'. Whoever wins, freedom and equality loses.
lmao, I think I've had a conversation with that account holder before
Yah, I have no dog in this fight. I just don't want to get drawn into it. I am over the ME for good. No good actors.
However, I wish my nation would welcome refugees, the innocents who are caught up in this and need refuge and asylum. So... the US sucks too for not offering it. I cared for a young woman from Iraq, a refugee, the other day. She spent 8 years in a refugee camp in Turkey (d/t Trump immigration/refugee bans) before finally coming here. She has 2 children, a worried husband and she is pretty sick now. I hope she can get the surgery she needs.
Guess what?
This isnt about you.
Not the place for your identity politics.
Yeah no I'm going to shit on pro-theocrats.
What do you think they are trying to do in the USA ?
Is anyone cheering for the USA at the moment?
Russia?
Russia is cheering at you
Accelerationists.
send that shit over yptb, 24bugsinabigcoat did nothing wrong
America literally executes Down's people.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/divided-supreme-court-vacates-injunction-permits-alabama-to-execute-intellectually-disabled-prisoner
So now what? We're supposed to cheer on Israel, who literally starves children, because sometimes Iran does things as bad as we do?
Twist your brain more into a pretzel, why don't you.
Ay yes, Iran, so progressive
Yes this is what the Iranian government y'all god-damn mental broads are cheering on does
Disgusting
Just a good old fashioned, the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation.
The whole point of the meme is that you absolutely should not be friends with Iran which beats women to death for not wearing hijabs and tortures atheists and LGBTQ people.
I haven't seen much cheering on World but I imagine elsewhere those tankie triad fucks are having a fit over the Isreali strikes.
Yeah, when a country persecutes queer people they lose the right to defend themselves from countries building weapons caches in their boarders. Then using those caches to blow up civilians.
That's why I'm in favour of bombing London and Florida.
Do you see how fucking stupid you are?
I mean you stayed silent when Israel wiped out a civilization, so you have no moral high ground here.
???
In the past two months of your post history, there's not one post condemning Israel for its genocide, can you link to any post of yours targeting Israel?
This is a shitposting account, Mr. 50 Cent Army Enjoyer.
You're posting anti-iran content on politicalmemes
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i find a lot of queer people have the same issues as feminist white women, “which is how can i make this about me?”
It's the Duke vs UNC or UGA vs Bama, while you wish they could both lose, it's not really an option.
The issue is that you're acting as if the people who were always in favour of the Iranian government wouldn't have cheered anyways, and that people just turned "pro iran" after they bombed Israel, when that is clearly not the case.
You are going to see people who are in favour of the Iranian government cheer on, but that doesn't mean that they are people who weren't in favour of the Iranian regime suddenly turned pro Iranian government.
People un ironically being stans of Iran lmao
I thought I had seen everything when you lot started openly supporting Hamas terrorists, but this takes the cake of my god hahahahaha
See man you do it all the time. Nobody was "cheering on Iran". You're a propaganda agent for the genocide. Even homophobic populations don't deserve to get fucking bombed, retard.
Do you wish the same for western countries, most of which support the genocide in Palestine through the economic, diplomatic and military ties with Israel?
Do you say the same about World War Two? Ukraine Russia?
Last I heard Israel was striking military targets in Iran, so I guess I'm out of the loop here. And here I thought they might have actually decided to not be a Russia for one goddamn day. I shoulda known it was too good to be true.
Whoever loses, we win?
Ironic, considering both Israel and Iran exist in the form they do because of US intervention lol
no we don't. Israel goes after other countries if it wins, as they thing they should expand. Iran does not.
Same when people started calling Hamas "freedom fighters".
I refuse to believe these people are really tbh. Or they're just mentally deranged vocal minority
Yeah man, gay people are not worth it
Iran, is the heart of resistance against the Evil Empire
Edit cope harder yanks
Jesus fucking Christ.
Cope harder, scratched liberal. The collective west is the greatest source of human death and suffering in human history by a long shot. Fuck, Israel is its spawn and Iran is its victim.
The west: destroys Iran's possibility of choosing is own future last century when its people democratically elected Mosaddegh, who was enacting progressive and secular policy, and wanted the profits of Iranian oil to stay in Iran instead of being sucked by Britain through British Petroleum. Economically and militarily blockades the country to prevent oil exports, bribes religious authorities to radicalise the masses against progressives, and pays for mafias and actors to both destroy private property and alienate people and to head western-funded anti-Mossadegh protests that culminated in the toppling of Iran's greatest chance at progressivism, democracy and industrialisation
Scratched liberals like you: "these radical religious Asians are so violent"
Yeah nah. Iran is at the heart of Evil
EmpireAlliance A and Israel is at the heart of Evil Alliance BThere is nothing good about Iran or Israel's govt. They're both evil, and they're aligned with countries some of whom are also doing (or have done) evil.
This is a false equivalence. Iran's government has human rights issues, but the US-Israel alliance has caused far more global military destruction and civilian casualties since 1948
US invasions span every continent killing millions whereas Iran has never before attacked a country directly.
Iran hasn't overthrown dozens of governments in regime change operations either.
Turning this into a "Both sides" arguments ignores demonstrable empirical differences in death and destruction.
Oh so only a little genocidal murder is perfectly fine, because there are others who did far more genocidal murder? Do you even listen to yourself how incredibly stupid your argument is?
This is not a zero sum game, you can oppose both, just because you want to oppose one more doesn't mean that the other one is someone to cheer for.
The US and UK literally created the conditions for contemporary Iran. They toppled Mossadegh and sowed the seeds of religious extremism. You're blaming the victims of the western empire for the consequences they're suffering, you uneducated chauvinist.
I cheer for Iran and want them to succeed.
I mean executing gay people is better than executing everyone, which is what Israel is doing and Iran is the only independent actor meaningfully acting to prevent.
Jesus Christ.
No, it is not better. It is equally as bad. Stop with the moronic "they are opposing my enemy so they must be my hero" nonsense. It makes you as bad as them.
LGBT oppression isn't equally as bad as genocide what the heck?
You would have said the same thing and World War Two (if you were consistent)
Iran is doing Jack shit to prevent a genocide, they are merely reacting to getting bombed.
I mean, basically all resistance to Israeli occupation and genocide in the region is armed by Iran, even without Israeli bombs dropping from the sky. This is, of course, more about the geopolitical rivalry between Iran and Israel than Khomeini's humanitarian sensibilities, but it's still true that a Middle East without an active Iran would be a lot better for Israel and a lot worse for everyone under their thumb.
Edit: And what Israel is trying to accomplish here (and has been trying to accomplish for decades) is defang Iran specifically because Iran is their only major geopolitical adversary. I don't have to like Iran (which I don't, to be clear) to believe that Israel's goals and methods are despicable and hope they fail.
OK, let's go one step further: why did Iran get bombed by Israel? Huh, what do you mean Iran consistently opposed the stance, policy and even the existence of the genocidal Zionist entity? Nah, history begins on June 13th, much like it used to begin on Oct. 7th