The White House claims California residents are in a state "of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States."
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This is the language from the law that would permit the President to mobilize National Guard troops in a state without its Governor's consent.
Edited to add: found the law here, it's small and easy to read: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title10/html/USCODE-2011-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1211-sec12406.htm
If it is invoked, it says:
But I parse that "shall" to mean the Governor is forced to comply.
How long until he declares Martial Law?
I mean, this is technically exactly that, albeit in a much more limited scope.
The last time this was invoked was in 1965, during civil rights demonstrations in Alabama. But the Federal Government sent in the troops to protect the demonstrators from their local police.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-20/lbj-sends-federal-troops-to-alabama
This time it's the other way around.
Honestly one of the coolest moments in US history.
I feel like the destruction of the image of the United States is in full swing.
That's true. However, I'm afraid that the current regime is not only working to destroy the image of the United States, but to destroy what remains of democracy.
It seems that Drump and his henchmen will stop at nothing to establish a fascist state. I think the administration's actions as a whole point strongly in that direction.
The image of the United States was destroyed twenty years ago. It became irreparable in 2016. What's happening now is, since Trump has destroyed all of America's diplomatic and economic leverage, we can finally be honest about what we think of you.
While semantically I have issues with what you said, they're not important. Overall, I agree with you. One thing I think the important take away should be the reasons I hate America is because it could be so much better. Not every American is blindly patriotic.
I cannot stress the so much better part enough.
Don't worry, we agree, this is authoritarian imperialist colonizing shithole just like it always has been. Fascism isn't new to America, this country was built on genocide and slavery, it's a fucking cesspool.
you're absolutely right, we actively celebrate slavers and genocidal lunatics to this day.
This is the declaration of Martial Law.
I hate Martian law
Would be interesting if there is a way that people on the right actually join the left on this since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
The pattern I see is that most on "the right" here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know ("one of the good ones") harassed by ICE will respond.
That's true. But I think we're closer than ever to that break. The instinct of people on the left is to always rub a dogs nose in shit after it craps on the carpet. But we all know there's better ways.
If people on the left create some bridges here and create awareness this could shift perspectives. There are lots of people on the right and left who will never be swayed on anything. But there's a lot of people who can be. Especially over this stuff.
It gets harder and harder for trumpets to support him and this could be a bridge to far. So many right wing people's core fear is Government doing this very thing. This might supersede their trump honeymoon
I'd love it if you were right, and this is what breaks Trump's stranglehold on the electorate. but the advantage Trump and his friends have is that they have no shame, and lie with impunity. Those lies are attractive. Even now, I am reading that Trump released a statement saying that the troops are quelling the unrest in LA, while the Mayor says no troops have arrived. Which do you think folks in the Conservative Cinematic Universe believe?
It's hard to break these folks out of their bubble when the side pushing the bubble can lie without consequences. Their opposition has the burden of logical consistency to overcome.
I think we just need to make more content. I feel we really under estimate memes and jokes as a way to get them to see how fucked things are. Its such a stupid idea but being able to quickly convey a message through a photo that can express an entire view point is really powerful. Nobody reads walls of text anymore. But the left seem to think we all need to win arguments online or its all pointless.
Seeing the internet flooded with artists drawing ICE patrols as Brown shirts and Trump as a devil will do more in a day then any leftist showing up to any protest.
I think that, specifically, National Guardsmen and LEOs should be reminded that ICE's game is to deflect outrage onto them. The Burger Team Weekend Commandos rush into stores and restaurants, wreck shop, abduct people, piss off the locals, incite unrest, and then run like pants-shitting cowards behind the NG and the Police while they clean up the mess and take the heat. Even worse, their service is a matter of public record, while ICE gets to hide behind masks. The double-standard is disgusting and I'm surprised more people aren't pointing it out. Their jobs are being made so, so, so much harder than they already are because of how it continues to erode public trust.
Most likely, the NG is going to stand around on street corners while chasing ICE around town wiping their ass for them. Personally, I doubt most are happy about this arrangement.
For the record, I'm not a fan of cops or the military in principle. But I know if I was in their position as a peacekeeper I would be beyond furious at what the feds are doing. Keep in mind, they're human too. Part of the game is to get everyone to hate each other for bullshit reasons.
I bet a lot are frustrated for what you just said.
The military is to protect all in the country. This thing where they pit the military against half the country is something that isn't lost on the military. It makes it that much harder for them to do their job.
Walz hit a nerve when he called them all weird. Because they are! We don't need to double down on memes, but we do need to explain, in simple terms, why Trumpism is so awful.
And I don't say "simple" because people are dumb, I say it because people are busy and don't always have time to think things through.
You're absolutely wrong. Subtle visual media is far more powerful than any direct argument. Just watch the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye it’s a perfect example. You can't just tell someone they're wrong and expect them to change their mind. People need to arrive at their own realizations.
That’s why creating content matters. We don’t engage with content the same way we do with people we consume it, reflect (often subconsciously), and move on. But over time, with enough content, those messages start to shape opinions. This shift will never happen if we rely solely on "facts and logic" to win arguments. People simply don’t operate that way.
At this point, after decades of the internet, it's ignorant to think otherwise. We should all know better but somehow, we still don’t.
The disinformation bubble is tighter than a noose. They dont even know any of this is happening. An entire portion of the populace lulled into unconscious compliance by the state propaganda apparatus. There is no honeymoon stage, these people are lobotomized and sustained intravenously.
I bring this up a lot. That bubble exists partially because the left is so bad at finding ways to breach that bubble.
There are so many of these events that happen every day. But nobody on the left are making content to highlight this stuff. Everybody things the approach is either to argue online with walls of text or nothing at all.
I don't know what is going on with the left but I think they're going to go extinct
They won't.
All of their rhetoric is bullshit to obscure the fact that they hate brown people, queer people, people who aren't their religion, just anyone they're angry at, really.
It really is that simple.
They'll believe, to some extent, what they are saying, they'll tie themselves up in knots, but ultimately, they'll default to anything that allows them to laugh when people they think they are better than are made to suffer.
The few that manage to resolve the cognitive dissonance and realize they are in fact hateful bigots, and that... that is bad?
At that moment, they are no longer right wing.
No it isn’t and it never was. That was the excuse they used to cover their gun fetish. They always saw themselves as the shock troops of the authoritarian takeover, and the fact that they are delighted it’s happening is confirmation.
Disagree heavily. The right is a big umbrella term just like the left. I would put good money on it that a few groups are calling each other up and talking about this. I bet there will be big efforts to suppress this online.
They will remove governors next.
I thought the next step was to dissolve the Senate and have the local governors use fear to keep us in line...
That is a lot harder to do, within the bounds of the law at least.
Ironically, though, California is one of a small handful of states that allow for recall elections of all elected office holders, up to and including the Governor. Recall that Arnold Schwarzenegger became Governer there due to a recall election. So if his goal is to start ejecting Governors he doesn't like, California is a good place to start.
But Newsom has already survived one recall attempt, and since he seems to be the Next One Up for Democrats to nominate in 2028, Trump may not be eager to run a recall campaign that might lose, because Newsom will remind everyone that he "beat Trump" on the campaign trail. (And there is no guarantee that Musk won't start tossing money at Newsom, who is enough of a schemer to accept it.)
Anything after this line is a moot point. They're not operating within the bounds of the law.
This might be one area where our layered system of government is an advantage, though, because State governments have real power that is separate from the Federal Government. The Founders valued this, too: the 10th Amendment in the Bill of Rights explicitly says that any power not explicitly delegated to the Federal government belongs to the States (and to the people).
So even this President, who aims to rule as a dictator, can't exercise every power unless the States roll over and let him. And say what you will about Newsom and his pivot to the Right, but he will not roll over for Trump, nor will other Democratic governors.
Other democracies devolved into Dictatorship because the dictator effectively captured all the levera of government. Here, that is extremely hard. Even after capturing Congress and (mostly) the Supreme Court, he still doesnt have it all.
Under what penalty if the governor refuses to comply?
The constitution grants the authority for appointing national guard ("militia") officers to the state. The governor hires those officers; the governor can fire those officers and disband their units rather than accept federalization.
our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.
Many who join lean conservative. Many are trump supporters. Don't forget the numbers that voted for him and continue to support him.
It's not going to be that easy.
Not really. The military is a lot more diverse than you probably realize. It's a big melting pot. So many stories of rural Americans raised in racist environments joining the military and being exposed to all kinds of people and realizing they grew up kind of fucked up.
Contrary to what the stereotype is. A lot of military people are pretty wise and worldly. Seeing different cultures and having to deal with the fallout of failed states. It's not like they're progressives or even Lefty's. But they're not MAGA or right either.
This is why they've been firing lots of officers as well. If nobody is aware, the trump government has been removing many many senior leadership in the military.
I think the move right now by the left is to build bridges for people on the right who have spent their life fearing this type of action. Need to leave open the possibility that there are people on the right who understand this isn't good. Obviously there's the trump zealots. But I bet there's a group of right wingers whose fear of government over reach supersedes support for Trump. Groups like the heritage foundation will increase not activity to suppress that mentally among them. But I think we'll start seeing them speak up if we listen.
You might be right, and I hope you are. But I'm also at least partially right too. There are far right conservatives in the military, many of them (even if not the majority, a big enough minority).
The main sentiment of my comment was people like us going about our day to day hoping the military will "do the right thing", effectively disobey orders maybe? Disobey the president? Isn't it ingrained into them to not do that?
Its not going to be that easy.
It’s not going to be easy, especially for those individual servicepeople who have to make the decision about whether to follow orders or not.
It’s important to spread the message far and wide that they are not alone, that there is widespread support for them making that decision.
This right here. Disobeying orders is hard, and upholding one's oath when being told from all sides is hard, especially when friends and colleagues are going along with it. You don't want to be the squeaky wheel who makes trouble for everyone. It can become easy to think that you're alone if surrounded by people "just following orders." It's made harder still when considering that a single morally courageous action can throw away a career and potentially land you in the brig.
Especially when your paycheck and ability to stay free are at stake. I was an enlisted man. We were mostly poor as shit and many times all I had was the comfort i wasn't in jail. You disobey, you're on restriction at the very least depending on the scope.
I actually haven't met many conservative officers.
I have met formally conservative officers.
They have some of the best educations in the country
I dunno about that. I served in the USMC and everyone was pretty left leaning in the sense of "why the fuck do I care about the color of the person covering me, we're all Marines."
Many people serving are also minorities from low income, using the military as a step to building a life. Those people didn't seem Republican to me.
2020 was the first time in decades that the military tilted blue.
it doesn't matter how easy or difficult it will be it needs to be done. the alternative is unfathomable.
LoL! Of COURSE they'll Listen to the Man CUTTING their Benefits and Pay!
Yeah. That's not a decision we have to worry about. They'll side with fascism. There is no question here.
Microwave dispersal cannons can be blocked by a large poster covered in aluminum foil. Just be sure to attach it to a wood stake.
Sound cannons are loud enough to work through strong ear protection, but sound waves are still air pressure pulses. You can disrupt the flow of the pulse with a solid enough curved shield.
If necessary, storm matchs have their own oxidizer. You can light it and wind won't put it out. Styrofoam and gasoline is sticky. Use that information however you want
Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don't remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it's too tight, turn it some more.
Edit: most military vehicles are diesel fueled. They are pretty thirsty, so be sure to share water with them. Right in the fuel tank is good enough.
I did not know about these, but some quick searches suggest that they pose a major threat to people's eyesight as they can boil your retina before you really feel anything when used at a low strength.
Messed up these are used at protests, fuck these fascists.
Eh, from what I've watched "low strength" is still quick enough to trigger people to scatter.
Remember, it obeys r squared, so if they use it and want it to be effective at distance, they can't reduce the strength a lot.
If you curve the aluminium foil somehow, you can actually refelct it back. They did tests on youtube where they used a flipped riot shield and it work.
Sounds like you could make a curved protest sign with plywood and then hide some foil between the plywood and a paper/cardboard layer for a fairly inconspicuous shield that can block and even reflect both microwave and sound cannons.
If you're worried about blood loss, there are some online resources for how to do first aid. I think https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/ was recommended last time this came up.
I read you need to be careful with tourniquets, because they're quite painful and if used inappropriately can cause long term damage. Used appropriately they can save a life, but you don't want them to be the first tool you reach for.
That's a fair point, and thank you for linking stop the bleed
Long-term damage is only really a danger after a couple hours in a proper tourniquet. Something makeshift in order to survive to a hospital is always fine. It's like CPR: breaking ribs is a small cost to pay for survival.
Yeah I think either DeviantOllam or Tacticool Girlfriend on YouTube says 2 hours. It might be in Ollam's "Passport. Lawyer. Locksmith. Gun." talk. Unfortunately I don't have that info indexed yet.
Sanitary napkins and tampons for bleeding.
Sound cannons are actually pretty weird, in that they don't work like you'd imagine them to work. They produce sound when multiple beams of ultrasound collide with an object, so if they're pointed at you, you're the one producing the sound that hurts you. That's why they're so effective.
Some people online have done some tests, and thin cardboard appears to be the best way to stop them. Put the thin cardboard before you, and it stops most of the sound. It can be the cardboard from a poster, if you have one.
Ear protection headphones (for workshops) also help, and their effectiveness is enhanced further by wearing small earplugs inside. Active noise cancelling headphones don't help and can even be counter productive, so don't use those.
To be a little more pedantic, they send ultrasound frequencies and they "degrade" into regular audible sound waves when they collide with something (combination of harmonic effects and destructive / constructive interference). The reason they send ultrasound instead of using regular directional speakers is because it's smaller wavelength is easier to aim so much more of the energy moves forwards, so you don't hear much noise coming from the source itself.
That's why they work for "crowd control". A strong enough regular speaker would bother the operator too much.
The noise cancelling part was particularly fascinating. Not only was it ineffective, it amplified the sound. I think its because noise cancelling circuitry relies on the ability to create a signal frequency that cancels out the initial waveform. That's all well and good, but I think the sound cannons use separate speakers out of phase. Since the noise cancelling headphones produce a signal in phase with the first frequency detected, the microsecond slight delay causes it to be added to a subsequent phase boosting the power.
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Old spark plugs are really handy for craft projects since you can break them and make pretty mosaics
Riot shield turned backwards for sound assault
Would hearing protection that electronically filters sound be able to cancel out sonic cannons?
You cannot electronically filter out sound. That’s not what they do. They just emit the same sound they hear in the opposing phase. This is risky with sonic weapons.
So the trump administration is fully admitting that the insurrection attempting to block the certification of the Presidential election 2021 on Jan 6 was open rebellion?
Holly shit. I hadn't seen that last image you posted before. I didn't realize the Jan 6 insurrectionist brought flexcuffs. That is quite disturbing. Who the fuck were they planing to kidnap or take hostage with those flexcuffs?
Nancy Pelosi, AOC, Mike Pence, and really anyone who they deemed to have offended their god-emperor and who happened to still be in the building.
They were probably associated with the ones that built the gallows outside on the lawn. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jan-6-gallows-construction-new-video/
It's just part of their cosplay.
I mean, I could believe that if they were just on his gear or with him, but he has them in his hand, ready to use to take hostages/kidnap people. I am genuinely curious as to what his intentions were for the hostages he was planning to take.
It was common rhetoric among the supporters at the time to hang the Democratic officials that were certifying the count and then Mike Pence when he didn't go along with their plans, they had even built a makeshift gallows out front before the assault.
They admit no such thing.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” - Frank Wilhoit (not the political scientist who passed away in 2010, a younger one who is alive still).
So a clone then
Heh. No a younger guy with the same name, totally unrelated who coined it in 2018 on a political science blog. I knew my wording was clumsy but was too tired to think of something better.
Here's an interview with him by Slate if anyone's curious.
https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html
I know this is sarcasm but, sadly, they don't. I have talked to a few of them. Some either say it is patriot8c and others said it didn't happen.
You can't win
Who is it they acknowledge trump pardoned when he got into office? If it didn't happen, then there as no one to pardon. Yet trump came out and gleefully pardoned the lot of them. If it was "antifa" that did it, why did trump pardon antifa?
Keep in mind I'm not questioning you on this but them, and I know the mind of a MAGAt is finely tuned to support cognitive dissonance.
He was just correcting a witch hunt of patriots sightseeing by the former administration./s
You can't argue with them. They are cultists. They believe what they believe. They will breath in his farts and say it smells like 🌈.
You know they would say that it was stolen, don't you?
Sure, so they would be saying that if the government arrives at an answer that they believes violates the law, then a violent riot is permissible.
Wouldn't that same opinion then justify a violent riot in LA (if there actually was one) if the protesters believed due process law was being violated?
They can't logically or rationally say one is right and the other wrong.
No, in their opinion it wouldn't because cops were protecting America from criminals.
Those among them who don't know what the rule of law is can't care, those who know don't
They don't have to be logical or rational, deciding what makes an exception is exactly why they're in power.
Calling it...Trump declares California to be in rebellion and suspends their votes in the electoral college and congress in the next elections.
So much other stuff will happen before then
This doesn't read as just California. It's the whole country.
Only the blue parts
The red states will also switch to only allow men to vote. They are chomping at the bit to end the 19th.
No, they are hell bent on returning to the 19th century. But with oil this time.
The guys and gals in the red states are doing everything they can to be unattractive to potential partners. It is a novel way to Darwin oneself out of the gene pool, I must say.
3 months ago https://lemmy.world/comment/15443605
We still had elections during the first Civil War. Trump can't stop the vote since they are run by the states.
Which would only intensify the situation and draw other states into the conflict.
ELI5, If Republicans in general don't want federal control, they want de-regulation, then why they are supporting federal control of California?
They are only against federal control when it's them who are being controlled. They are fine with it happening to other people. It's how they can claim to be pro freedom out of one side of their mouth and anti-freedom with the other. Laws for thee, none for me.
This is extremely important to understand. As fun as it is, we really need to move away from the gotchas. The right wing are not consistent because they do not have an ideology. They are simply reactionary.
They're lying about that first part
They want small opposition, and they like to deregulate themselves.
Because the Republican Party of smaller government and lower taxes no longer exists. Now we have the MAGA Nazis, who are for lower taxes on the wealthy, higher taxes on the poor/working class, and an much larger, extremely oppressive authoritarian police state. California has a lot of money, and a lot of foreigners, and MAGA wants to control it all.
As far as deregulation goes, that will go to the corporations that pay for it. Corps that play ball will get deregulation, corps that don't play ball, will have their regulations tightened.
You just described every authoritarian state that has existed since the beginning of humanity. Unfortunately, I must conclude that the United States is no longer a democratic country. I do not see how the citizens of the United States will free themselves from the clutches of the tyranny that will occur in the coming weeks/months.
Authoritarian states are created overnight, but disappear after a long agony. Corporations turn into clients of the dictator because that is the only way to survive, decent people will become mute passive supporters of the tyranny with the thought "I am not like and I have nothing to fear".
Perhaps the only bright spot is that the dictator is old and has no chance of ruling for the next 10, 20, 30 years. Unless the system they are setting up is super efficient and will allow the formation of an Autocracy, a dynasty created by dictatorship. Knowing the efficiency of the American system, that is a real possibility and the next elections will be a farce.
Oh this ia what they want. They are chomping at designating leftists as enemies of the state.
The government in general is crumbling and it's corrupt "leaders" will need to ramp up authoritarianism as the constituents begin to question it's legitimacy.
They'll make use of dissenters by putting them in work camps, easing the need for cheap labor, and allowing the remaining population a chance at hiding from their duty to protect constitutional rights by continuing to provide material comforts.
Always have been Abbie Hoffman is a decent example. Plus like the whole McCarthy thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman
Great documentary!
When California splits from the union and their army begins enlisting/recruiting, I’d be willing to throw my hat in the ring for the cause.
Aren't California cops on the side of the Nazis?
I really enjoyed the ending.
Here we go. Buckle up and arm yourselves.
This is another step in Project 2025
Provoke outrage with the mass deportations, then use that outrage to justify marshal law and deploying the military.
(martial)
I don't care, I am tired of fighting my autocorrect on every 3rd word.
Fair enough 😀
It’s so bad now. I just need it to spell check, but it inserts bad grammar all the time
and replaces properly spelled words with totally different worlds, because it nose better.
A step up from sheriff law? I'm not familiar with US legalese.
Sheriff don't like it Rock the casbah
Typo, he meant marital law. California want a divorce.
Damn, Marshall law is on trump's side now?
What are we doing, folks?
I’ve been talking about this for a decade now and a lot of people accused me of being a conspiracy theorist.
Time is a flat circle that only consists of about 100 years. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it (or rhyme, whatever) and those that do learn from history are doomed to watch everyone else repeat it.
its annoying and stupidifying how goddamn stupid humanity is that all it takes is 1 generation of removal to repeat the exact same fucking bullshit,
Isn't this the same as saying *the government is working against the will of it's populace"
Can California please just withhold taxes already and put this country out of its misery?
They can't, you pay taxes directly to the government.
That's not completely true.
Your employer withholds your federal taxes from your paycheck.
The state of California employs a lot of people. The state can intercept those funds, refusing to send them to the IRS. That obviously only affects state employees, but it is feasible.
The state could go on to act as a staffing agency, "hiring" workers whose labor is then contracted to private businesses. The state would then be doing the withholding for their employees, and the business would be contracting with the state.
I can see that on the coast, but I don't think the eastern 2/3 of the state (though under half the population) would go along with it.
There are plenty of ways around that, but it requires actual rebellion.
Yep. Totally true. You are born, and the taxes are automatically deducted from your existence. There is no way for a state to change the amount paid, or to whom the taxes are paid. Absolutely impossible.
I'm all for CA residents paying their federal taxes to the state, but that's going to require a lot of faith that the state will protect them from the feds.
The biggest national security threats are Trump, the Heritage Foundation, MAGA, and Musk
Not only to the nation, The entire world, Humanity, literally anything that is alive.
There might be some bigger threats to the world elsewhere. Ever wonder WHY we're sending so much money to- shot by a sniper
Hey don't trow indigenous groups, animals, fungi and plants it to this.
The problem seems to be specifically people that live with computers.
I think you misunderstood. They are saying Trump and those in his cult/admin are a danger to everyone and everything. Do you think the MAGA movement isn't a threat to indigenous groups, animals, or nature at large? Just the way they've already attacked environmental protections should show they check every checkbox.
Oh indeed, i thought they where saying humans are toxic and over generalized to “everyone alive” holding part of the blame.
Definitely misunderstood.
Time to make that a reality.
Exactly. No federal aid money? Fine, we won't pay federal taxes. Going to claim we're rebelling? Well, alright then.
How does that happen though? It's deducted from paychecks by employers. So unless a large number of employers (especially bigger ones) have the inclination and means to block such deductions on their payroll software, it won't happen. And I don't see a lot of larger companies wanting to jump into a legal violation with the federal government.
Edit: fixed some typos.
You can always tell your employer that you're paying your own taxes.
What state is the payroll software company's HQ in and where are their servers?
Depends on the payroll company. And it depends on whether they are cloud-based and which region they are hosting in the cloud. And it depends on whether the payroll software offers the feature to disable federal tax deductions from pay checks. And it depends on whether the employer using that software enabled that feature, and if they are willing to face the consequences from a vindictive government.
Edit: basically it's a lot more complicated than just "screw it, we as a state just won't pay our federal taxes!", unfortunately.
Sounds like it's going to be a violent summer. As soon as the first protestor gets injured or killed, this will start to spin out of control.
Protesters already have been getting injured to the point of hospitalizations.
Riot boy summer is back!
Sounds like bro wants to start the plot to the movie civil war.
Is that worth watching?
Its less about the war and more about journalism and the limits of the human capacity for violence over time. IMO excellent film, amazing performance from Kirsten Dunst
Also absolutely gorgeous cinematics mixed in with the photography.
I thought so. Don’t go in with expectations. Enjoy the ride.
That should really be the rule for all movies.
Yeah it is. The whole film is worth watching for about 4 key scenes, and the last 15 minutes are very satisfying.
"Mr President, i still need a quote."
"Don't let them kill me..!"
"That'll do."
BANG
Yeah it's a good movie. But I think Leave the World Behind is more accurate to humanity at current times.
Watch the korean film A Taxi Driver instead.
It wasn't when it came out. It is now.
If it has the same ending I'm down.
Right to freedoms of assembly and expression.
They need to chill.
And listen.
"Why won't these fascists just chill and talk things out?!?!!?"
Yeah… not exactly their style.
The government is at war with the Constitution and the rule of law.
So is the red line crossed yet or is the goal post once again some indeterminate point in the future.
History won't tell the beginning of the Trump regime at that indeterminate point. It began when he rode down that piss yellow escalator.
" In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion." 100% illegal according to Posse Comitatus Act.
Deploying Marines, Space Force, Navy Army or Airforce in the US against the US is prohibited
Minor nitpick: national guard soldiers under title 32 is totally fine (the George Floyd protests), however that requires the state governor's approval. Trump bypassed that by putting them on title 10 orders which is active duty. Those are typically only for training or overseas deployment, and not for actual deployment within the US (though I think the south border mission may be an exception).
So, he's already violating the law, but also putting provisions to use active duty soldiers as well which is double against the law.
National guard is specifically exempt when State controlled.it's a question of nationalization now.
Yeah that's what title 32 and title 10 are. 32 is state, 10 is federal. The issue is: to bypass governor approval, trump had to use title 10.
Like this administration adheres to rules.
Hey national guard members, get the fuck out of the way or get steamrolled. You’re not heroes.
You know what? Yeah. GFY trump.
The Confederacy was in a state of rebellion too. He's equated standing up to ICE, which is seemingly similar to when the Bostonians stood up to and were massacred by the British, with the Confederate's bombing of Ft. Sumter.
Welcome to the rebellion.
I'm in.
Well that’s scary holy shit this is definitely a step up on the fascism ladder
Heh. One picture says what's on most every reasonable Americans mind.
I wonder now what my ex-housemate thinks of Trump. He is one of those centrist types who thinks excessive power from one side needs to be counteracted by the other, but mostly pay lip service to the right. He dislikes the right in his country which ruled for 13 years and voted centre left, but supports Trump and right wing parties in Europe because of too much immigration in the West. But at the same time, he supports Palestine. My ex-housemate means well for the most part, but he is one of those men who are vulnerable to disinformation.
If feels like you're burying the lede here.
"In his country" suggests he's an immigrant. This means he too, is an immigrant right? How does he resolve this hypocrisy? Or when he says "too much immigration in the West" is he just a racist and is referring to people with different color skin?
Duh, because he's one of the good immigrants.
Or the person you're replying to, talking about an EX-house mate is the the immigrant. You're reading suggestions that aren't there.
There are two possible scenarios for who is the immigrant. Both of them make the ex-housemate look like an asshole.
The other that you're referring to would mean the housemate was complaining about OP, as OP was the immigrant that he says there is too much of. I mean its possible, but I wouldn't expect OP to then say "My ex-housemate means well for the most part".
We are both immigrants. But my ex-housemate is Eastern European while I am of Asian origin but I grew up in the West.
My ex-housemate is nice and helped me a lot before. But I don't know if you are aware of the stereotype about Eastern Europeans that they can be xenophobic. The only diversity they have is with fellow white Eastern Europeans with different ethnicities and speaking different languages. They tend to misunderstand why the West is more welcoming of non-white immigrants (I don't have to mention the West having had a globe spanning empire before which explains why). So, my ex-housemate exhibit some xenophobia. I am mentioning the term lightly because IMO xenophobia is one level lower than racism, which I see more as hateful and purposeful. I know some people who express xenophobia are tolerant to foreigners but seems to draw a line that "there are too many" (as if we can control where people want to go; and it is climate change, illegal invasions and wealth inequality are what cause mass migration). My ex-housemate express similar sentiment but afraid coming off as racist in all occasions.
I am neither disparaging or excusing my ex-housemate, but IMO being a lonely, single man made him go into the right wing rabbit hole, perhaps unintentionally, considering he does a lot of exercise and fitness. Unfortunately, the right co-opted the health and wellbeing improvement to groom many people, both men and women. It leads confusion to many people's heads who are not quite fully on board.
This is the beginning of a nation wide revolution, from the democrats, but the republicans are not sad about it because it push the public away. They forget, or look to California, that Trump is incompetent and they vote him. It would not be the first President, that call demonstrates criminals or revolutionary's and hunt them, to form a autocratic State.......
Governor Newsome should release a statement that he and his cabinet will be discussing the effects of a possible change in State structure. If the world's 4th largest economy were to secede from the Union, frumpy would be screwed.
Texas will be so pissed. They're threatening to do it for centuries but can't pull it off.
Just wondering: if California just stopped paying federal taxes would the net effect be the same? That way they haven't gone through the process of seceding, but at the same time they are refusing to entirely be part of the union.
Also, it was the conservatives who helped weaken unions by making dues optional but forcing the union to represent non-payers anyways. Sounds perfect here. California can just stop paying, but get the protection and benefits of a tax paying state.
Plus, conservatives would absolutely fucking love this if it was Texas threatening not to pay taxes if their money goes to doctors who preform abortions or some other equally absurd shit.
Since we have allowed the Presidency to become a joke why not our whole nation. /S
If California stopped paying taxes, most of the south would be screwed.
#truth, States like Alabama would have to shut down in about a month 😂
Using military on your own citizens… hmmm where have I heard about this before?
Oh. Last term. Immediately. He deployed the national guard on pipeline protesters, remember?
🇨🇳 Tiananem 2
They are also VERY sharp (ceramic fragments) so wear cutproof gloves
You can get a nice little tool that will do the job as well, it’s good to have one in your car incase you ever need to break a window to get out asap, they’re dirt cheap and they will shatter the window from inside as well as out
So they fucking should be.
As everyone should be.
Finally. Can we get a list of other States to join them?
If the White House is scared now just wait…
They should be. Meanwhile, the governor, while criticizing Trump, was still whitewashing him when he said he would be willing to work with him. That's the thing, fascist dictators will fabricate if they are not able to force a situation, and sometimes that's to handle the situation before it ever gets a chance to materialize. Look at Erdogan and the failed 2016 military coup that basically disarmed any further attempts against him. Trump wants to prevent and punish rebellion because he knows that where he is going to bring the United States is going to instill a lot of it.
States do need to secede, the US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is their only out, and Trump is going to do everything to prevent it. The problem is, a lot of states should be coordinating together on this and falling back to Articles of Confederation between them to retain their autonomy and prevent the subverted military agencies from invading them. It really requires a mindset to resist forcefully if necessary while people are still getting brainwashed through their social network bubbles and the militarized occupation forces are already present. The constitution is no longer in effect, all branches of government are now irrevocably corrupt, and Trump is crowning himself not as a modern king but as the type of king the thirteen colonies rebelled against.
According to trump anyone that uses more than 0% of their brain and anything about a 3 letter word is in rebellion of him.
Is there a good argument for why any society not in collapse should submit to any "higher" authority?
I'm just waiting for the west coast to break off and do it's own thing
Imagine California, Oregon, and Washington form a pact, with the Rockies giving them a natural protective barrier. Then they form an alliance with Canada and Mexico, and surround 2/3 of the United States with hostile powers, who also control ALL shipping into the West Coast. If MAGA America wants their goods from Asia, they'll have to pay California's tariffs on EVERYTHING.
Or, they could route everything through the Panama Canal, with all the extra costs associated with that. Perhaps CA/OR/WA can form an alliance with Panama, and close it to MAGA America shipping.
That's honestly the best case scenario. As unlikely as it is.
This country is too big. Too corrupt. And far too corrupted to fix. To begin to fix this country we have to get both houses of congress and the president to overturn Citizens United. Now how many of those people do you think are going to vote to make the bribes being paid to them illegal?
Now if for whatever reason the US was to balkanize. To break up into smaller "nation states". That would make real change a whole lot more viable.
the best case scenario is the one putin wants? how about we get our shit together, purge the fucking conservatives, and live happily ever after?
Exactly. We can't just fucking go, "Whelp. All done." and let trump and Putin destroy the United States.
Wait, your flair says you're a bot?
What? How the fuck did I get flagged as a bot?
Edit - Whoops. I did that. Yesterday evening. Ticked the box in settings.
LOL
This point is often dismissed but the United States really does need "a divorce". At least a return to pre-civil war state sovereignty where incompatible ideologies can each find their home.
I guess... Except I would not be able to accept another state just immediately resuming slavery or other terrible shit lol
That's possible with a confederate structure like the EU which maintains certain human rights standards while respecting sovereignty to a degree. Obviously if states were totally sovereign they could do whatever they want unless they were faced with undue external force from other countries (e.g. states).
I don't want a soft landing. I want it to crash and burn so hard that the very idea of preserving any part of it is anathema. I want all the corrupt power structures that ruined us to be actively eliminated. Leave the failed experiment where it belongs. In the history books. Learn the lessons of its fall. Make something better. Which is an exceptionally low bar.
It really isn't hard. Put the welfare of the mass of the people first and foremost. "Mass" meaning the whole. All the people. Otherwise what's the point of a government at all? Don't recreate a society of slaves that serves a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the most wealthy parasites. Value human life beyond its utility to an oligarchy. Set a floor on standard of life. A base level that people can't fall below and can build off of. Or not. If they want to just live their life let them.
Probably most places Colorado and wester tbh
One can only hope
Wait, so that old animated video about "End of the world" is pretty much becoming true perhaps? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpjgl2baLs
STaTeS rIgHtS
As I understand, this is not a thing the regular Armed Forces can do, correct? I thought that only the National Guard could conduct non-training operations on US soil and/or against US citizens, barring an invasion or secession. Does anyone know more than me about this?
Yes. Out of the federal military branches, only the coast guard can: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Noem tried to peddle habeas corpus, a legal principle with centuries of legal tradition, as Trump's right to do whatever he wants. Of course they would sell what's going on in LA as whatever fits their agenda.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?! I agree with every single comment criticizing the current shitty US leadership.
Where's the cartel when you need em!?
No, just Trump and his losers.
Yes, and...?
Brits: this is what will happen if you let Farage in.
Act now to prevent it.
Based