They want a fascist leader and to invade their neighbours?
They know how that historically ends right?
Like the "you won't let me say a slur so I'm gonna be a nazi" thing was kinda supposed to be an overly reductive meme, but this guy's just out there living it.
the US is going to turn into the same thing as Russia, a Kleptocratic, ultranationalist, fake-religious gangster state, right now they're getting ready for the 1990s version of Russia where public assets, infrastructure and industries are carved up and sold to private interests, IE Oligarchs. Trump wont live long enough to see the end result, but America's next mini-Putin will make his play in about 10 years or so.
The actual issue was being easily invaded by land. The rest of the world's superpowers would need to invade us by sea, and even in the 21st century, keeping supply and logistics chains open across the ocean is actually pretty hard in a war with a peer who has more capacity to STOP your naval and airlift capability than you have of defending it.
An interesting thing about this map, the way these lines are drawn would all but guarantee conservative victories for a long, long time.
A bunch of extra, barely inhabited states, to give two extra electoral votes and a handful of senators to conservatives. I wonder if whoever drew this is aware that most Canadian conservatives are closer to American Democrats than American conservatives.
outside of the far right / populist MAGA copycats in the People's Party of Canada, and a certain strain of Albertan Separatist types. Most Canadian Conservatives are leftists compared to the US parties.
even Pierre Pollievre who canadians are labeling as a Trump puppet, is openly supportive of many policies the GOP would crucify people for, like abortion, gay marriage, etc.
To be fair In the US's case, when a fascist invaded a neighboring country they ended up robbing half of the Mexican territory. The better comparison would be taking what usually happens when the US invades any country, and then imagine that happening inside the US. You don't shit where you eat.
Cartels already killing Mexican government officials, journalists, activists, the competition, the Mexican armed forces. Do they really want the cartels to declare the american equivalent as fair game?
I count 14 and 3 territories. NS, NB and PEI are small, but there. And Newfoundland and Labrador have different labels and so I'll assume they are separate states because that's completely stupid.
Keep in mind this is a bullshit flight of fancy from people as clueless as they are evil.
They don't want to do that, those would both add solidly democratic senators, and likely permanently cost them the Senate.
Not like Canada and Greenland, which are notoriously conservative and would vote for Republicans consistently. Ignore the comparatively liberal policies, those aren't related. Quebec and Greenland in particular are just chomping at the bit to jump on Republican mainstays like adopting English as the one true and official language of the US.
They don't want to do any of this. They want to propose ridiculous pipedreams that they cannot hope to accomplish, and wouldn't enjoy if they did, because it distracts from their lack of ideas or morals.
Every conversation about Canada and Greenland is one you're not having about sex crimes and class warfare.
I think you attribute far more cleverness to them than they have. I don't think they care if we're concerned about their lack of morals or ideas. Why would they? All the information needed to know about that was publicly available before the election and it didn't matter. The people who would care already know, and the people who wouldn't... There's no reason to distract them. Not that it matters, since they won and we can't exactly change that.
I can assure you my snark here doesn't reduce the amount of other conversations I'm having elsewhere. I can hold opinions on multiple topics at once. ;)
I wouldn't put it past them to actually want this insanity. People said the same things about how talk of overturning Roe was just a distraction because it's a "settled matter" and doing it would be insanity.
Imagine if they're not actually playing 5 dimensional chess. Imagine if their platform is exactly what they say it is, and their dumb ideas are real. If they respond to claims they don't have any ideas by saying they have the best ideas, and to claims of immorality by calling them lies and calling the accuser a pedophile.
I think people want them to be more clever than they are, because it means that people got duped, rather than their surface level idiocy being super appealing to a lot of people.
Alberta may be conservative by Canadian standards, but I think they'll end up as a collection of blue states if you did that. America is quite far to the right ward on average.
This is how it begins. You keep calling territory that isn't yours your territory until it sounds normal to those that you have created a cult or pact with. Then it doesn't seem so abnormal when you decide it is yours.
People who voted Trump in are actually fucking stupid.
The tyranny of countries more free than US. Only one thing to do. Yes, that is destroy them not copy them. Why would you want to adopt a better system when you can destroy theirs and claim yours was the best all along.
People who voted Trump in are actually fucking stupid.
I keep seeing liberals roll this one out, despite spending the last six months shamelessly pandering to conservative voters. Can't imagine why a Democrat would lose an election with this strategy. "You're an idiot! You're an idiot! You're an idiot! Oh, um, vote for me, I actually love strong border policies and Israel is the Best and transgender athletes are a big problem, tee-hee! Fuck, fuck, fuck, you're an idiot, you're an idiot!"
Liberals can’t cope with their election loss, in which their parties strategy was to court people who would never vote for them in the first place instead of their base who they actually secretly hate and just pander to for votes yet will never do anything for because it counters their donors wishes.
Meanwhile, in reality, they are terrified of letting Puerto Rico become a state because it might threaten their delicate gerrymandered hegemony in Congress by adding two more senators and one or more representatives. This "map" is the fever dream of a lead-poisoned, terminally MAGA moron.
I don’t know if owe is the right word, but yeah, both parties assume they’ll go democrat and I think that’s a smug assumption typical of the elites. Granted trump was a dick to PR during hurricane Maria, but if he actually responded appropriately he’d likely have a lot more support than either party would realize. I think they should either be a state or gain full independence, this in between seems unfair to them. (And I feel that way about all of Americas territories subject to taxation without representation)
History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
There was a war in the 1800s that USA had with Mexico. We beat them so bad that they surrendered all of Mexico to us.
In the end it was decided not to accept the deal, as it would just create a new set of problems with needing to legalize the citizenry of ALL former Mexicans.
They seem to be planning on invading everyone. Canada's about to elect a far-right government of its own, and I don't trust the Conservative Party of Canada not to go along with it, because they've been trying to dismantle everything that made Canada a nicer place to live than the USA for decades.
Canada, Panama and Greenland (Denmark) should not worry. Every single fucking loser MAGAt will have a copy of Cadet Bone Spur's 1968 doctors note excusing them from military service.
At a glance, the map also gives part of Idaho to Oregon and creates Jefferson between Oregon and California. The plan seems to be to reduce the proportion of Democrats in existing blue states to tilt them red for the EC, and to break up large red states to maximize the number of Republican senators without hurting their standing in the House or EC.
Not joking. The USA can take Mexico anytime, but they hardly could keep it. Also, the USA does not rule in Mexico, at least not openly. If you take that USA meddling in other countries affairs is enough to call it a colony, well, then everyone in the world is a colony of the USA. NAFTA was a trade agreement, but it was contingent to whatever is agreed between governments, not whatever the US government says. The renegotiation of NAFTA, the USMCA, is proof of this. If the USA government thinks countries in the world do not have options to trade, it's their mistake. At this point they can be replaced, but that doesn't help anybody in North America.
That's getting old by the hour and I hope it keeps happening like that. What the US government keeps doing in Cuba is globally despised. Cuba just joined BRICS, and at least I hope they can profit from their new trade partners.
It's not only economically silly because they would lose the entirety of Europe, but it's also an insult Canada.
Canada was there on DDay, 9/11 and countless other tragedies / disasters. I doubt this would be popular with americans in the military. Theyve been fighting alongside canadians for decades if not a century now.
I know that End Wokeness is just jack posobiec, but im curious where this map even came from.
It reeks of the same energy as that "Decolonized Europe" Map that Russian imperialists post, where every euro country has been balkanized *except for the Slavic brothers Serbia and Russia, who have both grown considerably larger)
Its a mixture of multiple things, some are historic american expansion ideas such as Cuba, Canada, Northern Mexico, and the Yucatan while others are colonies Philippines or historically occupied regions Iceland, Faroe islands, and Sicily. Also some states are split up for some fucking reason. I dont know what the fuck is going on with Nicaragua and why it only maps out the Dominican republic side of Hispaniola.
Edit: I just remembered that some Americans at one point tried conquering Nicaragua to recreate the Federal Republic of Central America. So that explains that.
Representing the "Free State of Jefferson" in Southern Oregon but failing to acknowledge "Greater Idaho" these weirdos don't even know what's really going on. As a PNW resident, I'm dissapointed.
these weirdos don’t even know what’s really going on
I just like Texas getting carved up into half a dozen different mini-states for some reason. Like, who actually wants this, other than some dipshit trying to count to 100? You'd have more luck carving up Colorado, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.
Idiocy aside, does anyone know what this map actually represents (because I'm guessing, with Italy and Iceland in there, it's probably not a map of military conquest)?
Pretty sure its a shitpost map originally, probably originated from Cartographycirclejerk or something. Its a mix of a bunch of ideas that wouldve never happened together but do make sense under the principles of basically a Victoria 2 game.
I think that if you can't tell the difference between the Democratic party and the Republican party, you have to be getting your news from some rabidly partisan sources.
It's abusive to suggest that someone's sister is a stripper, and I'll remind you that this was when someone said they didn't want to have their country taken over by America and lose the metric system of weights and measures, which is a reasonable position. Making lewd comments about someone's family in response is excessive and in poor taste.
IS THAT SICILY!? Please maga cunts do try to go there. Sicilian people are ready to luigid you out this world, do you remember that pussy baby mike lynch?
Maga is just little kids in the body of grown men. Also all of those states would vote dem or even third party if this actually happened so republicans would cease to exist.
Can we just split up Chicago? It would at least make sense why they have the Cubs AND the White Sox! Who do hhey think they are? New York? L.A.? Pssshhhh!!!! Get fucked Chicago!
..........yes I'm a Clevelander still mad about the 2016 world series.
Is it bad that I used to say that I was jealous of the Reds mascot.....Mr Met?
I was TOTALLY correctly envisioning Mr Red. I had the right mental image of the baseball head and mustache. I was just for some stupid reason calling him Mr Met.
Then one day, at a baseball game, Guardians vs Twins, I just blurt out to my friend "You'd think that Mr Met would have been the Mets mascot. I mean, the names are right there."
And my friend tries mentally processing what I just said, couldn't make heads or tails of it, and just says ".......what?"
And I said "I'm just saying, maybe they should have named him Mr Cincy, or Mr Red. And then The Mets could have....wait, what IS The Mets mascot named?"
Now my friend is REALLY confused. He just says "Mr Met"
And I said "Yeah, he should probably be renamed. What's The Mets mascot named?"
And he just says "MR MET"
I swear, it was like an Abbot and Costello routine. Completely organic, and with both of us confused as to what the other was saying. At least in Abbot and Costello, ONE of them knew what was going on.
I seriously think they’re looking at the Mercator versions of these maps and are having serious size envy. Trump probably thinks Russia is massive (granted it’s twice the size of the US) and wants the US to be that big too. If he knew the size of Africa he’d probably be going after that instead.
Putin is not a tankie; the dude is a literal billionaire who participated in gutting the USSR. How well did the haute bourgeosie fare under Lenin or Mao?
Perhaps he wasn't a stalinist around the time of USSR's deflation but he sure is like Stalin reincarnated today. And seeing as we are in lemmy, I need the feel to remind everyone that that is an extremely bad thing to be.
I've had multiple conversations with people here on Lemmy who seem to be under the impression that Stalin was a great dude who really just wanted to best for everyone, freedom and riches!
This is the point where you're an extremist without knowing that you're an extremist
Stalin was a communist revolutionary who played an integral role in the creation of the USSR. Putin is a liberal counterrevolutionary, who is partly responsible for hypercapitalist modern Russia, the two are not comparable at all.
If by "he sure is like stalin", you mean he employs violence to maintain and consolidate power, that's every state ever, that's kinda how states work.
The State of Jefferson garbage in northern California is laughable. None of those clowns understand that states need to produce something to be financially viable, lest they simply mooch off of the federal government.
That area of CA produces nothing of real value, but then again, most red states do just mooch off of the federal government...
I live smack dab in the middle of "The 'state' of Jefferson" area and it's amazing how laughably disjointed the SoJ morons are. Functionally all the SoJ bumper stickers and other merch amount to a red flag when dealing with people.
I think their economic plan is "sell water"? A lot of the push is driven by resentment about Southern California stealing "our" water (and only giving back millions of dollars of tax money for projects that would be unsustainable for a sparsely populated rural state)
We need that land as a um..safety buffer. yeah. Its for our safety. We dont feel comfortable around Canadians and Mexicans. Or our fellow Americans for that matter, they will need to go elsewhere.
Is there a reason they only want some of central america? And why only part of those islands? Might as well make it all solid as long as we're dreaming.
Maybe they just want the resorts at Cancun and Cozumel?
I'm more curious about when they decided to claim Iceland.
Edit: I guess some of Northern Mexico is blue. From what my Mexican friends tell me, that's where their rednecks live, so I guess they'll be more welcomed?
Obviously a lot of dumb here, but I'm most curious about the dividing of some of the existing states.
Like, I assume LN is Lincoln? But I thought the Lincoln movement was something on the East Cost, along Tennessee or something?
Texas being divided up with AU (Austin?) Being the biggest chunk is interesting. Not sure what's up with the chopping up on Oklahoma and Sequoia (?) though.
What's with that AB business in Wyoming?
Also interesting that California would encompass all of the Baja Peninsula. I would have figured that would have broken off as its own state (BJ for Baja probably would have been too awkward for the conservative that drafted this, but maybe BC for Baja California?)
I'd love to hear more about these if anyone can point me to references.
They're also breaking up the provinces weirdly too. What the heck is AE or AT? Northern Alberta has like none people, so making the province into two "states" is just dumb as heck.
This was a map posted on a map subreddit a while ago, as a kind of alternative history/future. I can't remember the details but I remember seeing it.
Trump's voting base don't have the skill to make work like this, nor apparently the imagination. What this is indicative of is that a portion Trump's voting base is dreaming of war and conquest, and in lieu of recent comments by Trump, Trump too.
Don't question the map, I'm sure someone with some time can find the original poster but it would have been made for some fun.
Also, remember how unpopular the second war in Iraq was. Now remember the broad popular support it had after a year. Propaganda is a hell of a drug when it's literally EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME.
It's unpopular now, so they'll float the idea of it being a joke or just rambling of a certain "leader". That way they can gauge how many are actually accepting of the idea, and slowly tune the narrative while propagandizing it to make the message more acceptable.
And there's the sure narratives. Canada and Mexico are cheating the US. Trade is not balanced. Etc
Throw in some tariffs and blame Canada/Mexico/etc even more for the increased prices. Shift the public opinion while cutting back education and growing the narrative that America is the victim. Then when resources also get more scarce, suddenly a little "liberation" becomes an acceptable solution...
There are probably a thousand comments to be made, but the one I'll say is, MAGA thinks Texas, The Lonestar State, is going to cede territory? We can't even agree on statehood for DC or Puerto Rico.
I'm really fascinated with the way they redrew West Virginia to annex parts of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Kentucky but cede territory to Ohio and Maryland.
There are no blue MAGA. MAGA is a specific death cult around a charismatic Hitler figure who want to murder their neighbors, promote hate, and promote a white Isis like Christian state.
What the fuck is blue maga people who drive electric cars and support gay pride?
Dems who can't take any criticism of the party and deflect by doing the same thing Maga does, the progressives are communists and everything is fine actually.
Blue MAGA is literally supporting a holocaust as we speak, and arming the real ISIS in Syria, because their criminal leader told them to. Which makes it all the more ironic you’d invoke Hitler and ISIS in defense of your leader.
Legitimately what is wrong with these people?
They want a fascist leader and to invade their neighbours?
They know how that historically ends right?
Like the "you won't let me say a slur so I'm gonna be a nazi" thing was kinda supposed to be an overly reductive meme, but this guy's just out there living it.
lmao, no
Or they do, but correctly identified Adolph's greatest mistake for conquering the world:
Being Germany instead of America.
It was invading Russia.
This time the US is best buds with Russia.
the US is going to turn into the same thing as Russia, a Kleptocratic, ultranationalist, fake-religious gangster state, right now they're getting ready for the 1990s version of Russia where public assets, infrastructure and industries are carved up and sold to private interests, IE Oligarchs. Trump wont live long enough to see the end result, but America's next mini-Putin will make his play in about 10 years or so.
The actual issue was being easily invaded by land. The rest of the world's superpowers would need to invade us by sea, and even in the 21st century, keeping supply and logistics chains open across the ocean is actually pretty hard in a war with a peer who has more capacity to STOP your naval and airlift capability than you have of defending it.
No no. It's not invading Russia that's the mistake. It's invading Russia IN THE WINTER.
Difference this time is it's overwhelmingly the most powerful military in the world as the aggressor, with nukes :/
May the gods have mercy on us, and prevent these fuckers from trying this.
An interesting thing about this map, the way these lines are drawn would all but guarantee conservative victories for a long, long time.
A bunch of extra, barely inhabited states, to give two extra electoral votes and a handful of senators to conservatives. I wonder if whoever drew this is aware that most Canadian conservatives are closer to American Democrats than American conservatives.
Yeah, any questionable voting area will get Puerto Rico’d.
Good eye. Ontario is left as is so I guess they want another California in terms of population to seat ratio.
outside of the far right / populist MAGA copycats in the People's Party of Canada, and a certain strain of Albertan Separatist types. Most Canadian Conservatives are leftists compared to the US parties.
even Pierre Pollievre who canadians are labeling as a Trump puppet, is openly supportive of many policies the GOP would crucify people for, like abortion, gay marriage, etc.
Meanwhile, all 117 million people in the Philippines get one state. I think you're right.
Edit: looks like it may be two, making each one comparable with California.
They don't know anything about anything. That's the problem
To be fair In the US's case, when a fascist invaded a neighboring country they ended up robbing half of the Mexican territory. The better comparison would be taking what usually happens when the US invades any country, and then imagine that happening inside the US. You don't shit where you eat.
Cartels already killing Mexican government officials, journalists, activists, the competition, the Mexican armed forces. Do they really want the cartels to declare the american equivalent as fair game?
Yes, because the people cheering for this don't see themselves as potential collateral damage.
Lol... For them it never ended... Just a minor setback with 60 years of regrouping
Well, I'll say that no one, No one will be able to defeat the US militarily,
so it will end when the country tears itself apart in a civil war. Not when the Chinese or Europeans are at the gates of DC.
And is America better off with 12 (or how ever many) more states? And lefty states to boot. Lotsa luck fellas.
It would be ten, and also 3 territories.
I count 14 and 3 territories. NS, NB and PEI are small, but there. And Newfoundland and Labrador have different labels and so I'll assume they are separate states because that's completely stupid.
Keep in mind this is a bullshit flight of fancy from people as clueless as they are evil.
Yall really dont understand what a trillion dollar budget really means.
Canada and mexico would be extremely easy, in the scheme of things, to annex.
My friend, this very likely starts a world war.
There's nothing easy about that.
Why wouldn't they just slowly snipe you to death whike you waste trillions after the initial conflagration?
Totally aside from the economic collapse initiated by internal and external strife over this.
How about we start by making Puerto Rico and DC states
They don't want to do that, those would both add solidly democratic senators, and likely permanently cost them the Senate.
Not like Canada and Greenland, which are notoriously conservative and would vote for Republicans consistently. Ignore the comparatively liberal policies, those aren't related. Quebec and Greenland in particular are just chomping at the bit to jump on Republican mainstays like adopting English as the one true and official language of the US.
They don't want to do any of this. They want to propose ridiculous pipedreams that they cannot hope to accomplish, and wouldn't enjoy if they did, because it distracts from their lack of ideas or morals.
Every conversation about Canada and Greenland is one you're not having about sex crimes and class warfare.
I think you attribute far more cleverness to them than they have. I don't think they care if we're concerned about their lack of morals or ideas. Why would they? All the information needed to know about that was publicly available before the election and it didn't matter. The people who would care already know, and the people who wouldn't... There's no reason to distract them. Not that it matters, since they won and we can't exactly change that.
I can assure you my snark here doesn't reduce the amount of other conversations I'm having elsewhere. I can hold opinions on multiple topics at once. ;)
I wouldn't put it past them to actually want this insanity. People said the same things about how talk of overturning Roe was just a distraction because it's a "settled matter" and doing it would be insanity.
Imagine if they're not actually playing 5 dimensional chess. Imagine if their platform is exactly what they say it is, and their dumb ideas are real. If they respond to claims they don't have any ideas by saying they have the best ideas, and to claims of immorality by calling them lies and calling the accuser a pedophile.
I think people want them to be more clever than they are, because it means that people got duped, rather than their surface level idiocy being super appealing to a lot of people.
They would need to make Alberta like 35 new states to prevent this from steamrolling any potential Republican elect
Alberta may be conservative by Canadian standards, but I think they'll end up as a collection of blue states if you did that. America is quite far to the right ward on average.
To be fair, there are a lot of pieces of nowhere as extra states and likely Republican strongholds.
This is how it begins. You keep calling territory that isn't yours your territory until it sounds normal to those that you have created a cult or pact with. Then it doesn't seem so abnormal when you decide it is yours.
People who voted Trump in are actually fucking stupid.
Begins?
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/fox-says-documentary-about-canadian-tyranny-wont-air-after-tucker-carlsons-exit
The tyranny of countries more free than US. Only one thing to do. Yes, that is destroy them not copy them. Why would you want to adopt a better system when you can destroy theirs and claim yours was the best all along.
I keep seeing liberals roll this one out, despite spending the last six months shamelessly pandering to conservative voters. Can't imagine why a Democrat would lose an election with this strategy. "You're an idiot! You're an idiot! You're an idiot! Oh, um, vote for me, I actually love strong border policies and Israel is the Best and transgender athletes are a big problem, tee-hee! Fuck, fuck, fuck, you're an idiot, you're an idiot!"
Love how true this is yet is currently at -19.
Liberals can’t cope with their election loss, in which their parties strategy was to court people who would never vote for them in the first place instead of their base who they actually secretly hate and just pander to for votes yet will never do anything for because it counters their donors wishes.
Meanwhile, in reality, they are terrified of letting Puerto Rico become a state because it might threaten their delicate gerrymandered hegemony in Congress by adding two more senators and one or more representatives. This "map" is the fever dream of a lead-poisoned, terminally MAGA moron.
I don’t understand why they automatically assume that PR would go democrat.
Both democrats and republicans believe Latinos owe allegiance to the democrat party.
I don’t know if owe is the right word, but yeah, both parties assume they’ll go democrat and I think that’s a smug assumption typical of the elites. Granted trump was a dick to PR during hurricane Maria, but if he actually responded appropriately he’d likely have a lot more support than either party would realize. I think they should either be a state or gain full independence, this in between seems unfair to them. (And I feel that way about all of Americas territories subject to taxation without representation)
So, most of them then...
Yo, why do they want the Caribbean? They already have P.R. and they treat it like an S.T.D. they're ignoring.
They want more people to treat like shit.
Earth isn't enough?
I kind of get the feeling Trinidad and Tobago might be open to the idea. /joke
The US invaded Dominican Republic in the 1960s, and they passed on a serious offer to acquire Cuba (sometime before Bautista and Castro).
I think the overseas territories on this map are basically everything the US held at any time, and the stuff they could conceivably have held onto.
Wait. I thought they didn't want foreigners coming into the US, doesn't this defeat the purpose of keeping them out?
History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
There was a war in the 1800s that USA had with Mexico. We beat them so bad that they surrendered all of Mexico to us.
In the end it was decided not to accept the deal, as it would just create a new set of problems with needing to legalize the citizenry of ALL former Mexicans.
You may be underestimating the right's appetite for genocide
No it's why they didn't want them to be citizens. Keep that option open in the future.
Today's right will just go for a genocide, then try to "great replace" them later on.
I wonder what the history books can tell us about what we did with the people that were here before us ...
Ohh... Ohh my....
So they are planning on invading an autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark? A part of EU and UN.
They seem to be planning on invading everyone. Canada's about to elect a far-right government of its own, and I don't trust the Conservative Party of Canada not to go along with it, because they've been trying to dismantle everything that made Canada a nicer place to live than the USA for decades.
They don't know how maps work, dude. They don't even know what Denmark is.
Trump wants to buy Greenland
The danish prime minister called the idea silly, because it is.
Trump got butt hurt, called her a nasty person and cancelled a meeting with her.
And nobody seems to notice they propose taking Iceland and Faroe Islands too.
All this talk of expanding the USA from everyone is.... concerning.
Also this map includes Iceland, northern Sicily and the Faroe Islands. What?
Seeing as they mention America's 250th birthday I am going to mention that the average lifespan of an empire is 250 years.
But also most empires didn't live in the age of instant global communication and endless propaganda power and surveillance.
Yes, I am sure all existing empires will now last until the end of time.
I hope not. But they’re definitely gonna be a lot harder to take down.
I don't mean to say that, but they might be much sturdier.
Yeah. This empire will last less than Liz Truss's term as Prime-Minister.
Totally not fascist.
Do you want to get the white house burnt down again?
We'll do it a second time if need be
Yes please
Canada, Panama and Greenland (Denmark) should not worry. Every single fucking loser MAGAt will have a copy of Cadet Bone Spur's 1968 doctors note excusing them from military service.
My first thought was, fuck yeah! I'm game for a North American Union. But it appears that's not what they meant.
Prolly be faster to invite them in.
Canada and Mexico, wanna join the USA? I have no negotiating power.
Feck oof, eh?
Fine. Can the USA join Canada?
Buddeh! Sorry, no buddeh! Ehhhh!
And Texas? To shreds you say?
At a glance, the map also gives part of Idaho to Oregon and creates Jefferson between Oregon and California. The plan seems to be to reduce the proportion of Democrats in existing blue states to tilt them red for the EC, and to break up large red states to maximize the number of Republican senators without hurting their standing in the House or EC.
I'm shamed it's not a full Greater Idaho.
Honestly wouldn't mind us breaking up some states or combining some states.
California for example, while liberal leaning from the outside, got some real counties that could use a FAFO separation.
We are containing them, quit your bitching. Trust me they are impotent.
Real putin Energy that one.
I would say Soloviev energy
I'd like to know what they plan to do with Iceland and Sicily. Two very oddball selections there. At least The Philippines was once a US territory.
I love how even unconsciously they can't take Mexico. I know it's most probably racism, but we still prevail prior to come back.
I know it's a joke, but Mexico has been a US colony since the NAFTA was established.
Not joking. The USA can take Mexico anytime, but they hardly could keep it. Also, the USA does not rule in Mexico, at least not openly. If you take that USA meddling in other countries affairs is enough to call it a colony, well, then everyone in the world is a colony of the USA. NAFTA was a trade agreement, but it was contingent to whatever is agreed between governments, not whatever the US government says. The renegotiation of NAFTA, the USMCA, is proof of this. If the USA government thinks countries in the world do not have options to trade, it's their mistake. At this point they can be replaced, but that doesn't help anybody in North America.
Any country that is not prepared to get the Venezuala/Cuba/Iran/Russia/North Korea treatment will do what the US tells it.
That's getting old by the hour and I hope it keeps happening like that. What the US government keeps doing in Cuba is globally despised. Cuba just joined BRICS, and at least I hope they can profit from their new trade partners.
It's not only economically silly because they would lose the entirety of Europe, but it's also an insult Canada.
Canada was there on DDay, 9/11 and countless other tragedies / disasters. I doubt this would be popular with americans in the military. Theyve been fighting alongside canadians for decades if not a century now.
As if fascists care about a little thing like that.
Don't underestimate what a few years of propaganda can do
France enters the war on the side of Quebec too...
So was Mexico and it hasn't exactly stopped them from being wildly racist at them.
"the peace president" they said...No war they said.
"We will be welcomed as liberators."
GW Bush Admin
How come they want a little chunk of Mexico and all of Nicaragua, but they don't the rest of Mexico?
They need somewhere to deport people to obviously/s
I know that End Wokeness is just jack posobiec, but im curious where this map even came from. It reeks of the same energy as that "Decolonized Europe" Map that Russian imperialists post, where every euro country has been balkanized *except for the Slavic brothers Serbia and Russia, who have both grown considerably larger)
they've both got that Nazi Ick
https://i.redd.it/7bi4vhx7bne91.png
Its a mixture of multiple things, some are historic american expansion ideas such as Cuba, Canada, Northern Mexico, and the Yucatan while others are colonies Philippines or historically occupied regions Iceland, Faroe islands, and Sicily. Also some states are split up for some fucking reason. I dont know what the fuck is going on with Nicaragua and why it only maps out the Dominican republic side of Hispaniola.
Edit: I just remembered that some Americans at one point tried conquering Nicaragua to recreate the Federal Republic of Central America. So that explains that.
My fish have ick. I'm doing what I can for them. Nazis get no ick treatment. Let the parasites fester in their skin for a thousand suns.
Mhmm
We've always been at war with eastasia
Representing the "Free State of Jefferson" in Southern Oregon but failing to acknowledge "Greater Idaho" these weirdos don't even know what's really going on. As a PNW resident, I'm dissapointed.
I just like Texas getting carved up into half a dozen different mini-states for some reason. Like, who actually wants this, other than some dipshit trying to count to 100? You'd have more luck carving up Colorado, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.
Idiocy aside, does anyone know what this map actually represents (because I'm guessing, with Italy and Iceland in there, it's probably not a map of military conquest)?
TIL that the Philippines was an American colony 1899-1946...but Iceland? Yeah, I'd like to know also.
Pretty sure its a shitpost map originally, probably originated from Cartographycirclejerk or something. Its a mix of a bunch of ideas that wouldve never happened together but do make sense under the principles of basically a Victoria 2 game.
& they wonder why we call them fascists.
This is why.
Yeah sure… but start by adopting the metric system, then we’ll talk.
(And stop with the 1$ bills… what a waste)
Fivers you cheapskate respect women more
That escalated quickly.
Might you have voted for Trump by any chance?
Oh no, they're worse than that. They're a "both parties are the same" type.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14106209
I think that if you can't tell the difference between the Democratic party and the Republican party, you have to be getting your news from some rabidly partisan sources.
I've had colds, but I've never verbally abused someone's sister because of a system of weights and measures that I'm not keen on.
Tipping your hot sister at the local strip club is abuse?
It's abusive to suggest that someone's sister is a stripper, and I'll remind you that this was when someone said they didn't want to have their country taken over by America and lose the metric system of weights and measures, which is a reasonable position. Making lewd comments about someone's family in response is excessive and in poor taste.
I think you meant to be more abusive by suggesting they voted for Trump. And I'm not digging your judgy attitude towards strippers, pal.
IS THAT SICILY!? Please maga cunts do try to go there. Sicilian people are ready to luigid you out this world, do you remember that pussy baby mike lynch?
Maybe try to govern one country without fucking it up again.
Wait, why did they make Texas five states?
Gerrymandering
They also divided California, but added Baha California to the southern end.
*Baja California
Whoops. I knew that didn't look right.
Fifedoms?
Why would the largest fifedom not simply eat the smaller ones?
Maga is just little kids in the body of grown men. Also all of those states would vote dem or even third party if this actually happened so republicans would cease to exist.
... rural mexicans? Are you sure about that?
Settler state wants more land to settle
But hey...no immigrants. Dumb as hell.
I'm surprised they didn't just stretch the northern states to consume Canada. Perhaps they are afraid of giga Michigan and it's immense power.
BC is gone 🥺 As are NWT and Nunavut.
No idea what CL/CD (in BC) and MK (NWT) and KW (Nunavut) are supposed to refer to.
Northern Sicily had me rolling, especially without Gibraltar.
Fuck Haiti, amirite?
Oui.
-- France
Mexican here. Those are the states unpleasant accents so I'm on board with this plan.
So abolish the United States and replace it with a union of North American nations? I'd be cool with that.
Wait, no, not like that!
And splitting up Texas feels pretty good too!
Where's this from? (I'm probably out of the loop.)
Whoever it is, I at least appreciate that they didn't fuck up MIMAL or his pan of Kentucky-fried chicken.
It's The Golden Circle again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle?wprov=sfla1
Terrifying, thanks.
Deranged fascists: We need to redraw the maps of the states to make it more even, Texas should be split up.
OK so how about California?
Deranged fascists: ....
How about new york?
Deranged fascists: ...
(The other 46 states)
What bout Wyoming?
Deranged fascists: yes split it, up we'll call it AB(raham?) And it'll have the population of a Chicago suburb.
Can we just split up Chicago? It would at least make sense why they have the Cubs AND the White Sox! Who do hhey think they are? New York? L.A.? Pssshhhh!!!! Get fucked Chicago!
..........yes I'm a Clevelander still mad about the 2016 world series.
Cincinnati fan here. What's a "World Series"?
Is it bad that I used to say that I was jealous of the Reds mascot.....Mr Met?
I was TOTALLY correctly envisioning Mr Red. I had the right mental image of the baseball head and mustache. I was just for some stupid reason calling him Mr Met.
Then one day, at a baseball game, Guardians vs Twins, I just blurt out to my friend "You'd think that Mr Met would have been the Mets mascot. I mean, the names are right there."
And my friend tries mentally processing what I just said, couldn't make heads or tails of it, and just says ".......what?"
And I said "I'm just saying, maybe they should have named him Mr Cincy, or Mr Red. And then The Mets could have....wait, what IS The Mets mascot named?"
Now my friend is REALLY confused. He just says "Mr Met"
And I said "Yeah, he should probably be renamed. What's The Mets mascot named?"
And he just says "MR MET"
I swear, it was like an Abbot and Costello routine. Completely organic, and with both of us confused as to what the other was saying. At least in Abbot and Costello, ONE of them knew what was going on.
I'm a big fan of Cascadia. This map is just imperialist madness.
I wonder if this American expansionism is going to cause friction with Putin. There's o way in he'll he is going to support it.
If you were Putin would you trust Trump of all people to stay loyal to you after you've given him what he wants?
Why wouldn't he want a large vassal state that he could one day easily absorb?
I seriously think they’re looking at the Mercator versions of these maps and are having serious size envy. Trump probably thinks Russia is massive (granted it’s twice the size of the US) and wants the US to be that big too. If he knew the size of Africa he’d probably be going after that instead.
Putin and other tankies showed the way so why not.
Putin is not a tankie; the dude is a literal billionaire who participated in gutting the USSR. How well did the haute bourgeosie fare under Lenin or Mao?
Perhaps he wasn't a stalinist around the time of USSR's deflation but he sure is like Stalin reincarnated today. And seeing as we are in lemmy, I need the feel to remind everyone that that is an extremely bad thing to be.
I've had multiple conversations with people here on Lemmy who seem to be under the impression that Stalin was a great dude who really just wanted to best for everyone, freedom and riches!
This is the point where you're an extremist without knowing that you're an extremist
Being an extremist means having any more nuanced view than "stalin just loved doing evil things for absolutely no reason"
Stalin was a communist revolutionary who played an integral role in the creation of the USSR. Putin is a liberal counterrevolutionary, who is partly responsible for hypercapitalist modern Russia, the two are not comparable at all.
If by "he sure is like stalin", you mean he employs violence to maintain and consolidate power, that's every state ever, that's kinda how states work.
Locusts.
The State of Jefferson garbage in northern California is laughable. None of those clowns understand that states need to produce something to be financially viable, lest they simply mooch off of the federal government.
That area of CA produces nothing of real value, but then again, most red states do just mooch off of the federal government...
I live smack dab in the middle of "The 'state' of Jefferson" area and it's amazing how laughably disjointed the SoJ morons are. Functionally all the SoJ bumper stickers and other merch amount to a red flag when dealing with people.
I think their economic plan is "sell water"? A lot of the push is driven by resentment about Southern California stealing "our" water (and only giving back millions of dollars of tax money for projects that would be unsustainable for a sparsely populated rural state)
That's liberal propaganda, if we kept to that we wouldn't have great states like AB?(north Wyoming) on this map.
We need that land as a um..safety buffer. yeah. Its for our safety. We dont feel comfortable around Canadians and Mexicans. Or our fellow Americans for that matter, they will need to go elsewhere.
Is that the Philippines in the corner there?
Reminds me of Japan taking Hawaii in terms of how far of a stretch it is.
The Philippines was an American colony between the Spanish-American War and WWII, so it's not as ludicrous as (for example) the Greenland part.
Huh, so the US is Russia now?
Back in the US...SR.
Party in the USSR
Techincally US is still USA
Is there a reason they only want some of central america? And why only part of those islands? Might as well make it all solid as long as we're dreaming.
yeah given musks toadys comments you would think they would do right up to the canal.
Idiot forgot Mexico was mentioned too
A tiny bit of Mexico on that map is blue...
Maybe they just want the resorts at Cancun and Cozumel?
I'm more curious about when they decided to claim Iceland.
Edit: I guess some of Northern Mexico is blue. From what my Mexican friends tell me, that's where their rednecks live, so I guess they'll be more welcomed?
Yucatan asked to be annexed by the US back in the day. That's probably why they added it.
Lol why not the rest of Mexico and Haiti as well?
Not Haiti? Hahaha
They have suffered a lot.
Obviously a lot of dumb here, but I'm most curious about the dividing of some of the existing states.
Like, I assume LN is Lincoln? But I thought the Lincoln movement was something on the East Cost, along Tennessee or something?
Texas being divided up with AU (Austin?) Being the biggest chunk is interesting. Not sure what's up with the chopping up on Oklahoma and Sequoia (?) though.
What's with that AB business in Wyoming?
Also interesting that California would encompass all of the Baja Peninsula. I would have figured that would have broken off as its own state (BJ for Baja probably would have been too awkward for the conservative that drafted this, but maybe BC for Baja California?)
I'd love to hear more about these if anyone can point me to references.
They're also breaking up the provinces weirdly too. What the heck is AE or AT? Northern Alberta has like none people, so making the province into two "states" is just dumb as heck.
Iceland? Seriously?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of our price range.
This was a map posted on a map subreddit a while ago, as a kind of alternative history/future. I can't remember the details but I remember seeing it.
Trump's voting base don't have the skill to make work like this, nor apparently the imagination. What this is indicative of is that a portion Trump's voting base is dreaming of war and conquest, and in lieu of recent comments by Trump, Trump too.
Don't question the map, I'm sure someone with some time can find the original poster but it would have been made for some fun.
They realize it. And in their opinion, all those people are wrong.
Also, remember how unpopular the second war in Iraq was. Now remember the broad popular support it had after a year. Propaganda is a hell of a drug when it's literally EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME.
It's unpopular now, so they'll float the idea of it being a joke or just rambling of a certain "leader". That way they can gauge how many are actually accepting of the idea, and slowly tune the narrative while propagandizing it to make the message more acceptable.
And there's the sure narratives. Canada and Mexico are cheating the US. Trade is not balanced. Etc Throw in some tariffs and blame Canada/Mexico/etc even more for the increased prices. Shift the public opinion while cutting back education and growing the narrative that America is the victim. Then when resources also get more scarce, suddenly a little "liberation" becomes an acceptable solution...
At least now it'll be funny, since a Colonizer is taking the land of another Colonizer
What tribe are you?
Do you have to be amongst the oppressed to find humour in the irony?
The thumbnail on the account says "I support the former things"
Surely this is satire, even for them that's too stupid a quote
Glad they didn't divide ontario between the crazy side and southern ontario
That's just so they don't ever have to think about Northern Ontario. As is tradition.
There are probably a thousand comments to be made, but the one I'll say is, MAGA thinks Texas, The Lonestar State, is going to cede territory? We can't even agree on statehood for DC or Puerto Rico.
I wasn't aware American fascists wanted to share a country with Sinaloans. They keep saying the opposite in fact
Indeed. Think about it.
As a bo us, guess who benefits from normalizing this kind of rethoric...
They’re following their leader, putin
That's a funny way to spell "Hitler"
I'm really fascinated with the way they redrew West Virginia to annex parts of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Kentucky but cede territory to Ohio and Maryland.
Weird.
If the zios can do it, why not their daddy?
Daddy? Really? Not the reverse?
I support taking their maple syrup resources
israel doing it’s colonialism via its puppet
funny how the hypocrites supporting the genocide by biden are now crying about every little thing from the more evil party
Blue MAGA prefers puppet governments installed by a CIA coup.
There are no blue MAGA. MAGA is a specific death cult around a charismatic Hitler figure who want to murder their neighbors, promote hate, and promote a white Isis like Christian state.
What the fuck is blue maga people who drive electric cars and support gay pride?
They're the maga of liberals. It's the dark souls of politics.
The blight town of online discourse.
That's not a thing.
Keep interjecting random bullshit into your communication then.
Keep your "blue maga" and "Voldemort China" or however you guys interpret things.
Dems who can't take any criticism of the party and deflect by doing the same thing Maga does, the progressives are communists and everything is fine actually.
The same thing maga does.
Minus the constant lies and hatred of everyone.
Give me a fucking break.
Lol ok
Nothing is ever similar in any way if you pick at everything that's different.
It's obviously not the exact same thing, but it's still not improving anything by excusing everything shit dems do in the name of their donors.
I'll also point out, there are good people who are Maga, usually just misinformed and are being swindled by trump and Co.
Blue MAGA is literally supporting a holocaust as we speak, and arming the real ISIS in Syria, because their criminal leader told them to. Which makes it all the more ironic you’d invoke Hitler and ISIS in defense of your leader.
There’s no difference.
Idiotic.
Factual.