UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione suggests evidence ‘planted’ after arrest
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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
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Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.
I’m the one who killed the dude actually. Remember? You were there. ;)
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the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy
"Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?"
"OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he."
They're now also blaming Among Us for training him into an assassin, apparently.
LOL “quick, do the ‘it was video games!’ distraction “
So thin and weak
Of this is true... Damn. Two thoughts come to mind when reading this.
Remember when Jack Thompson was relevant? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
All those kids that started playing GTA too young are now grown and taking it out on society because they don't have a new GTA to work through their urges in.
If you dont remember shooting lines of Elvis impersonators with an above head view and bullets that projectiles slowly across the screen, you're not that old
I bet he knows the hacker 4chan too
smh the sus guy strikes again, this time out of retirement
A game with "500+ M downloads" on google play, plus like a dozen other platforms it's on.
If 0.001% of among us players became CEO assassins, I don't think we'd have any CEOs left.
Clearly, not nearly enough.
"Hey! This guy doesn't worship the Dollar! Slander him!"
They can call us inhumane but they're the ones who got us thinking of human lives in dollar values
They can't have us realize its that easy to take our country back from the corporations that own it or their entire power structure and caste society comes crashing down.
This whole thing is sooo fucking smelly. So, so very smelly
Dont post pictures of headliness. Post links to the articles.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-death-investigation-12-9-24/index.html
I mean those weren’t screenshots of headlines, they were a significant portion of the articles. At the time though it was just coming from CNN’s live coverage page, which I tried to link to above
The reason you need to give links isn't because its not showing all the text. Its to prevent misinformation and to let people who are blind be able to read the article.
Sure, agreed, I posted screenshots on the fly as I saw the info. That being said is it was a “live feed” page and information was being changed on the fly with a single URL
Yes, even more of a reason to supply the link
Turns out your new president kinda wants to put that half in shackles, too.
Everyone should change their names on all their social medias to Luigi Mangione
Shut up about should and just fucking do it, Luigi Mangione.
Sincerely,
Luigi Mangione
Everyone should walk around with Luigi Mangione face masks.
They'll find 12 of the whitest old women to ever exist and hammer this guy, I can just feel it. The justice system exists for the rich and whoever did this fucked with one of their own.
My Nostradamus prediction of the day is that you are right. They will all miraculously had a great time with the private healthcare syndicates.
That's the fastest way to get your courthouse blown up
Prosecutors, man. Acting like he had a fucking radio jammer or something.
There have been plenty of articles in popular media recommending Faraday bags for electronic devices. I have them for credit cards and car keys. It's definitely not evidence of criminal intent.
Interfering with corporate profits! How dare you, filthy plebe!
Shit, any Subaru owner probably has an RFID bag for when they go car camping and don't want to wake up to a dead battery.
Wait what, tell me more.
looks askance at Outback
The RF key fob very slowly drains the battery if you're within 10-15 feet of the car.
All modern cars with key fobs react to the key fob, using up battery.
$20 dollars can buy many peanuts.
I found another suspect!
There are several of us.
Dozens even
You blocking corporate, that's illegal. They have the right to take all your information and sell it to the highest bidder
Right. Criminal sophistication is the tracking portal on your device, analyzing all of your information and the information of your contacts and turning into a robust identity infrastructure, from which B2B data buyers can can select a complete data profile which will allow them to make decisions about your banking costs, your employment eligibility, your healthcare options, and the quality of information you are able to access via the web. All while appearing as a cute step-counting app that gives lights up with a smiley face haptic when you reach your goal.
Just look at how americans react to chinese's score system. Communist, evil, over stepping by the government..... Walk into a car dealership and try to buy something. What is the first question asked? How will you finance? Let's check your credit score.
The companies in the US just package the process better. Same tactic and outcomes. We have massive problems.
There is so much theft of cars happening because car manufacturers did fucking nothing to improve security. Now a guy with a laptop, and antenna, and radio software can clone your car keys and all they have to do is hang around enough to capture a few of the rolling code changes. They can do it from outside your house and through some obstructions too.
So yeah a Faraday cage of some sort for your car keys is just a good idea now. Guess that makes us all criminals.
Prosecutors are another cog in the wheel of the regime. They only care for one thing is slobbing up the pole.
I am sure this parasite thinks he is going to make a career off this prosecution.
Disgusting
Didn't you know? Doing anything that interferes with corpos having full access to your profitable information means you're a criminal.
Mfs think he Gene Hackman from Enemy of the State.
He had a waterproof wallet lol so spy
A LOT of yesterday's arrest is REALLY suspicious. Dude who could easily have fled the country (for a lot of reasons) and had done such a great job of covering his tracks is sitting in a mickey d's with his murder weapon and a manifesto.
But... a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but...) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell. Which... uh doy? And he is mostly focused on the money (super easy to plant) and the "faraday bag".
As for the faraday bag? A LOT of dry bags (an internal bag you put electronics and valuables into if you are going to hike in the rain or go rafting/boating) have a metal mesh. Because they need to withstand abrasians either from being near other gear (you would be shocked how much jagged metal is in a backpack when you go on a proper alpine overnight) or just being able to survive falling overboard and bouncing on the end of a rope in rapids. And guess what a metal mesh does?
So he presumably got a dry bag of some form to stash his personal shit in while he stashed the second backpack. And I know plenty of hikers and climbers who learn the fun way that the phone they carried "in case someone needs to get a hold of me" had zero signal the entire time it was protected from the rain.
Where is the body camera footage?
Until I see it, all of this shit fake news.
Luigi didn't do shit. They are just trying to pin it on any Italian guy that fits their narrative
Sure he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
It ain't a crime!
Saying Mangione is a hero implies you're convinced he's the killer. Not great...
the original scene in the Sopranos is about Christopher Columbus, so...
That's a very conservative estimate.
Considerably less than that.
"The 1%" is, ironically, a way to protect the elites and keep us divided amongst ourselves. But that ignores the wealth inequality issues and how many people aren't even "middle class".
In plenty of states? Making low six figures is already enough to put you as a "one percenter" for your demographic. Especially if you have a partner who makes a similar amount of money. And that scales with cost of living. A couple years ago (during the pandemic) I saw a really good breakdown that basically showed "if you can afford to live on your own, you are probably at least a top 5% earner"
And those people are just as vulnerable to an illness that insurance doesn't cover.
No. The people benefiting aren't even the "1%". It is a ridiculously small percentage of the population.
Because the population of the US is 346.3 million people. One percent of that is about 3.5 million people. You are almost guaranteed to know some "one percenters" and they are probably actually great people who are having a lot of the same struggles as you. Maybe they can afford to buy fast food but they are still only one or two bad days away from being destitute. Which tempers anger and rage and protects the people who actually have the vast majority of the wealth in this country.
My wife and I live on my income (not amazingly but we make do in a suburban part of a lower aide of middle income state) and I'm less than half the 5% threshold for the lowest state.
Interesting to consider that were the 0.01%ers to simply disappear, nobody would miss them at all. And if they were to disappear and their money were to be distributed amongst the rest of us, we would all have significantly improved lives.
Somebody got to own all them shares
Please don't say fake news. You sound like a far right nutjob. We are better than that.
You can call out news as being fake without being right wing buddo. All mainstream media owned by Sinclair is fake. Anything in between has a narrative they're trying to achieve. If it ain't journalism, it's a dead opinion.
95% of what is out is fake news... You can call it what you want.
Also this ain't about politics. Both sides use the same tactic lol
Yeah lol that's my point?
Why would someone this meticulous keep the gun that's could have been ditched? Write out a memefesto like two hours before being caught? Wear the same clothes that could've also been directed or burned? This feels like a patsy.
Because, as many of us pointed out, he was never some super meticulous hitman. He exhibited basic knowledge of firearms and got his stalker on like the ceo what got got was a pretty girl who asked to borrow a pencil that one time in biology class. The rest was taking a bus and wearing a face mask most of the time. It was inevitable that he would be caught unless he fled the country.
Mostly this just highlighted how incompetent cops are. And... might be used to further efforts to just use computer vision and rudimentary "AI" to process security camera footage in the future.
As for why he would keep his gun on him? The manifesto kind of says it all (and, to my knowledge, Luigi has not disputed THAT aspect of it). He wanted to get caught. Probably after making it clear he could have escaped if he wanted to (because getting on a flight out of the US would have been trivial).
To be clear. If he were to have disputed the gun and manifesto I would VERY rapidly be on the side of "cops are planting shit yet again'. But the fact that he hasn't (to my knowledge) while disputing other potentially planted or misinterpreted evidence puts the kibosh on that.
If he wanted to get caught, why would he say the evidence was planted?
He did not say "the" evidence was planted. He said "that" evidence was planted. As in a subset.
And, as I pointed out above, said evidence makes sense. The "faraday bag" is just an intentional misinterpretation. As for the foreign currency? People very much underestimate how much loose cash cops have due to civil forfeiture and it is a really easy way to argue that someone is a flight risk and should not be granted bail.
If he wanted to be caught he could've turned himself in though, make it big and public if he wanted that attention.
Damn. Another Adjustment made, may he never stop Adjusting.
The play would have been to go to Canada, take the ferry to St. Pierre and Michelon, Then book a flight to France. Going to France from France through Montreal, you'd not have to clear passport control in Canada on your way to France. Although there is a non-stop from St. Pierre direct to Paris. If he didn't have a bad back, he could have joined the FFL and gotten a new identity and French citizenship. From France, he could go anywhere.
Fall guy, planted by the mob to give the NYPD credit that they aren't just a bunch of guys with big bellies keystone copping around, probably they have a deal with a mob boss to not bust their child exploitation ring if they have them some dude who can sit in prison
Everyone keeps calling him meticulous and I'm just curious what you found meticulous about it.
His getaway sure was and dropping a bag off that had monopoly money seems more well thought out than "have gun and no change clothes"
I still wonder if that was actual monopoly money or if they were just talking about Canadian dollars.
I suppose if you think running across the street, riding an e-bike for awhile, and then ditching it in a park is meticulous then we just don't share a definition of meticulous.
The getaway might not have been as meticulous as the plan leading up to the getaway.
The way he fired off those shots was practiced.
You know the funny thing about these "ghost guns" is they are untraceable so you don't know where they came from. The best way to pin them to someone is to "pin" them to that person. This can be through forensics or proximity. In this case the suspect just happens to have a gun whose origins are unknown. Very convenient.
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What are you referring to here? I'm not scouring the internet for all the information I can find but everything I've seen so far paints the picture of a perfectly sane person who was fed up with a broken system. I see similar sentiments all over the internet literally every day.
Well he also played this game where you act as an assassin called Among Us...
Is there a decent thread on the facts somewhere? I am still trying to wrap my head around how they connected the subject of the shooting video to the subject of the crime stoppers picture. There are so many diffs it's like a Mad Magazine bit.
Welcome to the US justice system, where the rules are made up and the facts don't matter.
Wait, people actually do that on accident? They aren't just making sure their boss can't call them?
From the article:
They should have said "the suspect's movements" or "the shooter's movements". Not "Mangione's movements". They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can't they?
It's an American newspaper, so it's up to the victim. Canada and EU have much stricter rules.
Maybe Luigi can sue them with all the money people on GoFundMe are desperate to give him.
I mean, if they want to go and taint every potential juror in the country they can go for it.
It seems kinda grey because they're not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they'd have to alledge, which they did alledge about his "type" of bookbag.
I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.
Was it an employee or a bystander/customer? I'm confused.
Looks like they are trying hard to rebrand the guy image by publishing pictures where he looks off. How i'm supposed to believe the government has no plan against the people when they pull stunt like this?
Fox news is saying people are supporting him because he's handsome and we're all a bunch of shallow morons.
Completely leaving out the fact that that CEO and others like him make decisions everyday to let people suffer and/or die for profit. To buy more yachts or whatever the fuck excessively affluent people do with money. Wipe their ass with it? Use the money from dead cancer patients who hit their lifetime maximum coverage to delicately pat their hemorrhoids clean maybe?
The media is trying so hard to spin this I hope they all get carpal tunnel from typing out all those half truths and outright lies. Then they have their claims for quality of life giving surgery denied. Then maybe they'll get it.
Fox news spent all of yesterday "just asking questions" about his connection to California to trigger more hate towards liberals where if you read the manifesto he is definitely a sovereign citizen type of person.
They don't buy that many yachts anymore. They go to space...
I hear there is a titan(ic) moon by Saturn. Maybe they should build the world's cheapest spaceship and go check it out. Well, I guess the starliner is available.
Yes! And also the spacesuits are style over substance with fake ties and the cheapest polyvinyl chloride ever!
Mugshots rarely look good because they want a centered and level profile of your face with a neutral expression in order to capture as much detail as possible. It also might have been a minute since he's seen a shower or a razor. I wouldn't call that a conspiracy, there are much more important details at play here than his looks.
they released multiple mugshots, pictures of him in jail and now there are even videos. That's not normal at all.
Mugshots are also designed to make people look bad because it used to be a way that criminals would use for self promotion. But if they look bad then it has the opposite effect making them seem more animalistic and thus more evil. Also often used in wanted posters if enough photos are available. This has been the case for long before photography was invented with drawings as well.
Otherwise, they'd look more like photo IDs, which have the same requirements and are bad compared to something framed specifically to flatter someone, but not as bad as mugshots. Doesn't help that most mugshots are taken after long, abusive "interrogation" sessions or other situations that exhaust them rather than immediately upon arrest, but that's on purpose.
But the tactic to use mugshots as self promotional got popular when photos first came around because if they could get in a good shot, it's not like the police could afford to take multiple. Film was expensive. And they were put in newspapers and such, so they spread around for free. Just look at the famous criminals of the Wild West era. So police doubled down on making sure the photos looked as bad as possible and it became a popular tactic to use against "famous" criminals. Now it's used against basically all criminals.
Versus now where only presidents use them for self promotion.
Trump's mugshot sure looked good with the practiced Hitler look that he gave. But of course he had help from the lighting guy who put on an uncommon (for mug shots) sideways light on him, thus giving an even more Hitler look to him.
I'm not convinced either way whether or not he's the culprit, but I certainly don't trust the authorities to give him a fair trial.
It seriously would be dismissed as a movie plot due to being too unrealistic..
One thing that lends credence to him being the culprit is that he's from a well-to-do family, with a Republican state congressman cousin, no less. I would think they would prefer a poor to be their patsy.
Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he's falling for it.
"The gun WASN'T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!" etc, etc.
This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now "lawyer". Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.
"I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer."
It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn't mean they won't stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.
Glad to see this here. In many jurisdictions, if the law doesn't say it previous rulings do: you must invoke the rights to silence and to counsel.
It sucks but plenty of judges want to give the police every chance they can get, like those dickheads who OK'd forcing people to unlock their phones because "you already gave police your fingerprint".
Not sometimes, but ALWAYS state that you are invoking your right to remain silent.
Doesn't matter if it's one of the states that presumes you are invoking your right, because you might be the court case that decides otherwise this time.
I think he wants to go to prison, why else be so sloppy in the final stretch?
Unless the gun was in the backpack Muad'dib ditched, and the cops just chose a random guy to scapegoat with the evidence they hid.
I guess we'll find out more in the next few weeks
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While this is generally good advice, it doesn't apply to public spectacle.
There's countless cases in the US where public pressure forced the government to drop charges or at least reduce sentences.
This guy has support from 99% of the people. Keeping that support is important to his defense.
They definitely put way more effort into this shooting than any of the others that happened on the same day. Obviously the police are looking for a scapegoat
He hasn’t said he didn’t do it, at least that we have heard. He’s just saying that a lot of the evidence is incorrect. The money is a flight risk, so they can argue to hold without bail. The manifesto, if it’s a plant, is to make him look “crazy,” so people distance (haha, backfire). And the faraday nonsense is to suggest that an ankle monitor would be of no use, so also no bail.
It’s all about holding him at this point.
Not really related but I find it funny that you need money to get bail, but if you have money to pay bail, then you are flight risk and don't get the option.
Yeah, that’s a whole topic in itself lol. The justice system is not made for the people, it’s made to keep the people from overpowering the ruling class.
And it’s all evidence his lawyers can use in court.
If all the rumors are true that he is in a ton of pain because of a back injury, I’ll bet they go with not guilty by reason of insanity. Pain makes you crazy.
He just needs some therapy. ❤️
Denied due to pre-existing conditions...
Would he end up institutionalized? Like, realistically, what would happen to him?
I’m sure they would send him to a few years in a medical facility. We will see if they want to make an example out of him. But I think that tactic would backfire
Are you suggesting that a simple faraday bag can neutralize an ankle monitor?
Im suggesting that they are suggesting. They don’t have to suggest reality, this is the justice system after all.
It can, insofar as it will make it beep due to lack of signal and will alert the authorities as to your last know position
His lawyer said there is no evidence he is the shooter.
I mean… that’s what they are paid to say.
I read an article where he plead not guilty, or plans to.
The murderer was sloppy though. The best way to murder someone and get away with it is to get elected POTUS. or be the son of a POTUS. Don't go around committing crimes if you're a normal citizen, silly.
A computer programmer with a common cyber security countermeasure you can buy on Amazon indicates criminal sophistication?
Sure Jan.
Our incoming president is a convicted felon and RAPIST who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.
The rule of law doesn't mean shit anymore.
I could give 2 fucks if this guy lies through his teeth to get off the hook. Go for it bro.
My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization
A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.
Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down
Yeah, prosecutors are really trying to smear this guy to look dangerous. Try harder. An RF-blocking bag is just to prevent theft, hacking and protect privacy. I'm a bit confident he's the guy but I can't say beyond a reasonable doubt given the circumstances and how the police are incentivised to frame anyone.
Since news reports keep jumping around between a McDonald's customer and a McDonald's employee offering the tip, every inconsistency will only bolster this guy's case. I can make guesses that this guy wanted to get caught or was a little sloppy, but if he says otherwise then finding everything including the gun is a little suspicious. Get him the best lawyer in the biz, I'm sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over.
I could be OOTL, but I'm a bit puzzled this isn't happening at a massive scale given the overwhelming support. Anybody got his official Crowd Funding page or whatever you kids use these days?
The usual platforms have been racing to remove any crowdfunding pages for him.
I'm sure someone would do it Pro bono.
He had Ill will against corporate America, nobody would have that unless they were the killer! Sick evidence coppers!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
The more they keep fuxking with the facts, the more this makes sense.
I just hope tomorrow a video alibi comes out of him jerking off on camera in Philly at 7am that Wednesday
The whole narrative will crumble and the working class will see what they really do to us.
Jerking off in front of a street camera at 7am on a Wednesday does sound like a Philly activity.
"The Gang Cranks One Out"
“The gang executes a CEO”
"So anyway, we all just started blastin'."
Remind me to backdate an OnlyFans broadcast as an alaby for my next crime. This is great, thanks
It makes perfect sense for this to be a frame up because one of the incriminating items was a "Recently Used Ghost Gun", a cheaply made 3D Printed gun that leaves no special marking on the bullet and can only really be used once. They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly, which is why some congressmen want to see restrictions on 3D Printers.
This raises an interesting question: How the fuck is he dumb enough not to dispose of the gun that was meant to be disposed? And has two answers: He's just that fucking stupid or The evidence was planted
What if you find shooter's backpack ditched in park with jacket, gun, silencer, and fake ID used at hostel, but say it only had a jacket and monopoly money. And say that the guy probably left the state on a bus. Now you can pretty much do anything you want with any plausible-looking guy in the country you want.
I'm just asking questions! Also, most of the bags and purses you see for sale these days have a "faraday" phone bag or pocket in them, no level of sophistication required.
Since this involves the murder of a high-ranking CEO, rather than an ordinary joe schone, the police might resort to unconventional or potentially illegal investigative methods to track down the suspect. They could then potentially plant evidence to secure a conviction, as they may be unwilling or unable to disclose the investigative techniques used.
This is my favorite conspiracy theory to ponder over while waiting for the facts. Unknown methods could be blood magic, time travel (or viewing), Sentient AI/Alien overlords, or some kind of dragon ball yearly wish the powerful hid a long time ago.
Step 1 - Have an AI scrape social media looking for someone similar looking who has posted negative things about the insurance Industry.
Step 2 - sprinkle crack on them
Step 3 - ????
Step 4 - record breaking profits for health insurance corporations every year forever and ever and ever
People who know this shit have been through Mangione’s social media feeds.
https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/alleged-ceo-shooter-luigi-mangione
The guy likely did it. The guy's social media history puts him right in that "potential mass shooter" territory, but one more radicalized by pain rather than the right-wing shitholes of the internet.
But the part no one's talking about yet are the copycats to come. Because this guy got attention for it. Accolades even. That's part of what mass shooters want. Attention. Accolades are a wet dream for them.
At least this will be better than when they were murdering children for the shock value.
So yeah, I think "Rich asshole murdered" will become more common. If only the richest asshole in whatever Podunk little town the mass shooter was from.
And yet, I can't say that it will be a completely bad thing. If the mass shootings must happen, (and America apparently says they must) then I'd rather it be a rich asshole who bites it than a classroom full of grade schoolers.
Killing one specific person and then fucking off does not, a mass-shooting, make.
No, but it's the same sort of pattern that you see in mass shooters.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
The sort of young man who wouldn't mind dying, or killing, for a cause, even if that cause is just gaining people's attention.
In the US, those sorts of young men do all sorts of things, many live productive lives. But almost every single mass shooter is one of those young men. Luigi is one of those young men, That's why the comparison is apt.
He just decided to kill a rich asshole instead of a bunch of randos. All because his particular radicalization was via pain instead of the usual right wing internet shitholes.
It's almost like society is getting more dangerous for everyone cause we're letting young men become disaffected.
It's their privilege that allows them to act out in a violent manner.
Yeah, those are in short supply.
Howzat three letter paycheck? Or do you suck that short ripoff for your sole and a lying crock or righteousness?
Uhh, thank you but we have plenty of fresh towels.
Then why the fuck do you think this is being so regularly used by such regular travelers of space and time, newbie? LOL.
A lot of people in this sub could be put in "potential killer" territory based on the comments made but that doesn't mean they are/were
A lot of people in this sub just need a radicalization event.
Luigi was radicalized by pain.
When you back someone into a corner, chances are sooner or later they're going to fight back.
Are you saying that "Eat the Rich" has started?
It has, the copycats are coming.
It won't be exactly targeted, but more rich assholes will be murked.
I'm pretty sure Step 3 is "get out of here".
I've got a Faraday bag and foreign currency as well lol
Why not ditch the first weapon then? He could have just gotten another gun. Why would he have kept ALL the evidence on his person 5 days later?
If that's the case, I'll bet he was loving it. Has anyone ever captured the admiration of so many people with one act? Especially an act this violent?
Free Luigi.
I think that's notably different because nobody was cheering that Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were killed, they were either cheering that the cops were "losing" the chase or because they thought he was innocent.
The consensus here is that The Adjustor definitely committed murder and we think that rocks.
Yes. Learn your history.
Yeah. If they were looking for someone to frame, NYPD could have just grabbed someone in NY. I don't see how it makes sense for them to coordinate with PA police to frame a random guy out of state, especially that quickly. I doubt they'd have been able to fabricate the evidence that quickly, too.
So they took evidence, and instead of analyzing it, sent it out of state to be planted on some random guy three days later? That seems even more unlikely.
Unlikely if you have trust in the regime... Most people don't have such trust.
No, it just doesn't make sense. No trust required.
Where these just common mistakes? Made by the same person who succeeded at avoiding so many others? But if he was trying to turn himself in, getting arrested at McDonalds doesn't seem like the method I would have chosen. Was he trying for suicide by police?
I'm leaning on the side of a normal human 'on the run' and making normal mistakes. But there is enough to make me doubt that.
Also if they ever make a movie out of this, James Franco's brother Dave Franco has a passing resemblance.
If he did do it, he is going to be really popular in prison, but I imagine teased to. You realize that your not supposed to keep the ghost gun right?
Most people sent to US prisons commit victimless crimes. Very few of them used guns and the chances that he meets someone who used a ghost gun is near zero.
Most of the people he would meet in prison are black and brown people who were targeted for the color of their skin. The priosns are for-profit in the US, so keeping the beds full is important for the shareholders' dividends.
If the police did this, that’s not surprising, but they are really stupid.
This case is going to be under a microscope like an inverted OJ trial, and every bit of police misconduct is ammunition for his lawyers
Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality… it would be a national celebration, lol.
Stop it, don't get my hopes up! 🤞
The serial rapist Cosby was released due to a technicality, so....
Yeah if he gets convicted, many court houses and police stations will get burned down
If another ceo dies from someone who looks like the guy while this guy is locked up then its realy gonna make the system look corrupt
What kind of hell would that bring.
That's an exciting prospect isn't it.
The exact same style of a shitty resolution camera catching the upper frame of a guy's face while their only suspect sits in jail with evidence constructed in parallel?
The only thing I can imagine is that they would call that killer a copycat and that they have the right one.
That's probably it, good catch. God forbid the system makes a mistake. They'd rather crucify an innocent person than risk it.
He allegedly dropped YouTube video with DEC 11 data.
Not sure if it is true or not but everybody is hoping there is more to this story.
Either way, Luigi didn't do nothing but sure they can do their show trial and turn this man into a martyr
Wear your Luigi mask
His legal fundraiser has raised 27K in the space of a day. Free Luigi.
Age 20-30, has a good bag to carry thier tech around day to day, dislikes american health insurance, and may be mentally unwell without proper diagnosis; Describes every college student I know.
If the more concrete evidence is you where within a few miles of the incident in NY, as well know NY is not a dense urban city....
It's all hard to say, rampant distrust of the police means, knowing they are desperate to pin it on anyone, we can't trust what they say.
So alls they got is a faraday bag, he likes playing computer games, and a recently used gun? Oh yeah…hundred percent this is the guy.
/s
Sounds to me like they couldn't catch the real shooter but they snared a doplerganger and figured they could frame him up fast based on his social media. It doesn't make sense, his family are millionaires.....the boomers might buy this crap, but anyone gen x or younger isn't going to believe this for one minute.
Sadly, the most probable outcome from this is gonna be more privileges to CEOs. After all, they are now exposed to be killed on the streets. Maybe their insurance, as well as their brute salary, will also be way better. And surely, countless jackos are aiming for the vacant position.
Luigi needs to shut up and let his lawyer do the talking for him.
that bag was waterproof
....bruh, the Judge Judy trap?! Falling for the oldest trick in the book.
the NYPD are lying about everything. Luigi seems like a cool dude but he's not the shooter.
This stinks to high heaven.
Sus as fuck
Agreed, been saying.
Sounds like you've played amongus, a well known assassin training simulator. /$
I don't believe this guy is guilty. He doesn't even look like the guy in the photo, whose jacket isn't even the same color as the shooter, not that it even means anything. That shit's mass produced just like almost everything else.
Execution suspect. This was an execution done with popular support.
Maybe call it an assassination if uoj want to get political, but its widely recognized to being done in defense of the people. That's not murder.
My Christmas cookies from Costco come in a Faraday Cage.... I'm so criminal right now!
I have no doubt, I trust him.
Well I'm certainly disappointed in his "criminal sophistication".
I am ripe for a headline like this, but the Examiner?
How does "I'm not sure if it was planted" equate with suggesting evidence was planted? It feels like a linguistic stretch.
Ah yes, Sacco and Vanzetti for the modern age.
Well this is Luigi, and I hope the next guy to assassinate a CEO is named Mario.
They want to upgrade his charge from second-degree murder to first-degree murder, changing it to a murder-for-hire case.
Who are they saying hired him?
They haven't gotten that part of their lie figured out yet. Give them some time, they're only working on two collective brain cells, afterall.
They don't have to. The money they
foundplanted is enough to allow them to say whatever they want. Proving it would be harder.I am not sure prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he’s the guy. Some of this evidence seems flimsy or circumstantial, but I don’t know the whole picture.
About 10,000 -8,000 dollars??? If only that was something that could easily be counted. Why do we need to speculate everything. Ffs
That's not what it meant, albeit it was worded dumb. It meant $10K total, with 8000 being USD and 2000 being foreign currency.
Duh
A Faraday cage (bag) is not sophisticated. WTF, one can build one from chicken wire.
As much as I want to believe all the conspiracies... the arrest happened in Pennsylvania... and since it was at a food place after a tip, there was no time to bring in pre-screened cops. And the odds that the local law enforcement would not leak that they planted evidence and such in this high profile case are about nil. Those local cops don't like the snutty feds anyway, so they have plenty of motivation to leak any shenanigans.
Are we going down that rabbit hole?
I never saw any evidence the ceo died, either.
They don't need to plant money. The physical evidence is more than enough.
They just want to make it look like he’s a flight risk so he is held without bail.
Nobody is going to give him bail. Murder charge.
What? People being charged with murder get bail all the time.
Here's two examples, because I was searching for the second and misremembered his last name as "Perry" instead of "Penny", but conveniently there was another person subjected to a murder charge who also had a bail set.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/us/austin-blm-protest-shooting-indictment/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/US/daniel-penny-expected-court-chokehold-death-jordan-neely/story?id=100334248
Those aren't charges of Murder 1.
Neither is the charge for Mangione.
https://www.amny.com/news/midtown-assassin-second-degree-murder-charges-await-mysterious-suspect-luigi-mangione-in-new-york/
The charges haven't been brought as of yet from NY. The paperwork is not done.
What, do you think the DA doesn't know what charges they'll file? Or that the judge in PA is making his judgment on bail based not on stated intentions, but charges that no one has even mentioned?
Aimt it amazing how this guy gets caught with a full evidence package for prosecution?
Where is the body camera footage of the arrest?
Hmmm
In due course.
Trust the process 🤡
Was that the rally cry at Uvalde, too? How anyone can rust the fucking cops after that display is beyond me.
Seems pretty circumstantial to me so far.
They've got DNA, fingerprints and probably the gun. I wouldn't call that circumstantial
That's what they said... Do you believe everytbing government and media tells you now?
Well I don't believe everything is a conspiracy
Ohh will pulling this old reliable...
Politics and accusations of conspiracy isnhow conversation is generally derailed online haja
That's all circumstantial evidence.
But then again, circumstantial evidence simply means "not eyewitness evidence". It does not mean "unreliable evidence", and people are convicted all the time based on circumstantial evidence.
There were people on the street. He isn't the first person found guilty and wearing a mask.
Sure, it's possible someone present at the murder could identify him. But it's not necessary. He wouldn't be the first person found guilty based on video footage.
Sure, but the prosecution will probably use both.
I still don't understand how there can be any question, they caught him writing his memoir "How i totally killed that guy and why" by Luigi Mangione (an autographed copy). Open and shut case
Criminal says they're not guilty. Never heard that before
A lot of people on all platforms trying to explain why he kept his gun, why he was caught so easily, and most coming up with easy explanations that fit their conspiracy theories.
The simple explanation is, he might be smarter than most, but maybe not enough to outsmart the whole NYPD police department. Maybe he kept his gun because he didn't want to leave a trace. Maybe he wanted to get caught peacefully in a McD rather than dying in a shooting.
Also, to those who still don't believe he's the killer: he is. Police don't go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him "because they need a scapegoat". There's a whole judicial process that goes on after the arrest, and if he's found not to be the killer, the police will have to go back to square one on a cold trail. They usually don't want that.
Hahaha oh man i needed a good laugh today. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence.
You have all too much faith in the US policing system and the sheer amount of money pressure bearing down on it at this very second to make an example out of this man.
How long have you lived in America? Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? I mean we literally just executed a black man in Sept that was very likely innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Even the prosecutor wanted to stop the execution.
How is this related to the police planting evidence on suspects?
You're questioning how innocent people being imprisoned or executed is related to false evidence? OK, here one that's specific to planting evidence.
I like the example you chose because the facts reported support what I'm saying: eventually, if cops get too comfy planting evidence everywhere, someone down the line is going to notice and the judge will dismiss the case.
Jesus fuck, this is what Disney did to people's minds. You'll believe anything, as long as it ends with "...and they all lived happy ever after."
High-profile case also means more scrutiny from everyone, which means there's a bigger risk someone finds out what they did.
So, the police are sharing their behind-the-scenes "evidence" with you to achieve said scrutiny, yes? Can i see..?
Of course the police plant evidence on people. There's plenty of evidence of that occurring.
I know they do, but they usually keep it somewhat subtle because the goal is to reinforce the bad guy image of someone they already know is guilty (but can't prove). Planting the main piece of evidence such as a gun is risky.
Why? They have the entire media apparatus to whitewash their narrative, and a bunch of idiots believing it, despite how flimsy their super convenient evidence is.
He DID outsmart the whole NYPD. The only reason he was caught was a couple of randos in a Pennsylvania McDonalds.
Remember this bit from the Mayor?
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5028239-mayor-adams-says-net-is-tightening-on-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect/
"When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” "
Yeah, turns out, they had no clue.
Yikes, how cringe. And in the most public way possible. Hope you recover from this huge mistake someday soon.
Don't worry. Just like every other bootlicker on the Internet, the PTB have seen their loyalty, and shall lift them on high to live out their halcyon days in Valhalla.
Well I guess that'll teach me to try to have a rational and respectful discussion with a random stranger on the internet.
Calm down, smoke a bowl, read books on critical thinking and question the narrative even when if fits your worldview.
You still here? You're not living in a DE-lux apartment in the sky yet?
"Stay the fuck away from the brown acid..!"