Spyke
lemmy.radio

Other than endless posts from the general public telling us how amazing it is, peppered with decision makers using it to replace staff and then the subsequent news reports how it told us that we should eat rocks, or some variation thereof, there's been no impact whatsoever in my personal life.

In my professional life as an ICT person with over 40 years experience, it's helped me identify which people understand what it is and more specifically, what it isn't, intelligent, and respond accordingly.

The sooner the AI bubble bursts, the better.

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Vinny_93reply
lemmy.world

I fully support AI taking over stupid, meaningless jobs if it also means the people that used to do those jobs have financial security and can go do a job they love.

Software developer Afas has decided to give certain employees one day a week off with pay, and let AI do their job for that day. If that is the future AI can bring, I'd be fine with that.

Caveat is that that money has to come from somewhere so their customers will probably foot the bill meaning that other employees elsewhere will get paid less.

But maybe AI can be used to optimise business models, make better predictions. Less waste means less money spent on processes which can mean more money for people. I then also hope AI can give companies better distribution of money.

This of course is all what stakeholders and decision makers do not want for obvious reasons.

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lemmy.radio

The thing that's stopping anything like that is that the AI we have today is not intelligence in any sense of the word, despite the marketing and "journalism" hype to the contrary.

ChatGPT is predictive text on steroids.

Type a word on your mobile phone, then keep tapping the next predicted word and you'll have some sense of what is happening behind the scenes.

The difference between your phone keyboard and ChatGPT? Many billions of dollars and unimaginable amounts of computing power.

It looks real, but there is nothing intelligent about the selection of the next word. It just has much more context to guess the next word and has many more texts to sample from than you or I.

There is no understanding of the text at all, no true or false, right or wrong, none of that.

AI today is Assumed Intelligence

Arthur C Clarke says it best:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

I don't expect this to be solved in my lifetime, and I believe that the current methods of"intelligence " are too energy intensive to be scalable.

That's not to say that machine learning algorithms are useless, there are significant positive and productive tools around, ChatGPT and its Large Language Model siblings not withstanding.

Source: I have 40+ years experience in ICT and have an understanding of how this works behind the scenes.

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Vinny_93reply
lemmy.world

I think you're right. AGI and certainly ASI are behind one large hurdle: we need to figure out what consciousness is and how we can synthesize it.

As Qui-Gon Jinn said to Jar Jar Binks: the ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

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bunchberryreply
lemmy.world

we need to figure out what consciousness is

Nah, "consciousness" is just a buzzword with no concrete meaning. The path to AGI has no relevance to it at all. Even if we develop a machine just as intelligent as human beings, maybe even moreso, that can solve any arbitrary problem just as efficiently, mystics will still be arguing over whether or not it has "consciousness."

Edit: You can downvote if you want, but I notice none of you have any actual response to it, because you ultimately know it is correct. Keep downvoting, but not a single one of you will actually reply and tell us me how we could concretely distinguish between something that is "conscious" and something that isn't.

Even if we construct a robot that fully can replicate all behaviors of a human, you will still be there debating over whether or not is "conscious" because you have not actually given it a concrete meaning so that we can identify if something actually has it or not. It's just a placeholder for vague mysticism, like "spirit" or "soul."

I recall a talk from Daniel Dennett where he discussed an old popular movement called the "vitalists." The vitalists used "life" in a very vague meaningless way as well, they would insist that even if understand how living things work mechanically and could reproduce it, it would still not be considered "alive" because we don't understand the "vital spark" that actually makes it "alive." It would just be an imitation of a living thing without the vital spark.

The vitalists refused to ever concretely define what the vital spark even was, it was just a placeholder for something vague and mysterious. As we understood more about how life works, vitalists where taken less and less serious, until eventually becoming largely fringe. People who talk about "consciousness" are also going to become fringe as we continue to understand neuroscience and intelligence, if scientific progress continues, that is. Although this will be a very long-term process, maybe taking centuries.

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skulblakareply
sh.itjust.works

we need to figure out what consciousness is and how to synthesize it

We don't know what it is. We don't know how it works. That is why

"consciousness" is just a buzzword with no concrete meaning

You're completely correct. But you've gone on a very long rant to largely agree with the person you're arguing against. Consciousness is poorly defined and a "buzzword" largely because we don't have a fucking clue where it comes from, how it operates, and how it grows. When or if we ever define that properly, then we have a launching off point to compare from and have some hope of being able to engineer a proper consciousness in an artificial being. But until we know how it works, we'll only ever do that by accident, and even that is astronomically unlikely.

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We don’t know what it is. We don’t know how it works. That is why

If you cannot tell me what you are even talking about then you cannot say "we don't know how it works," because you have not defined what "it" even is. It would be like saying we don't know how florgleblorp works. All humans possess florgleblorp and we won't be able to create AGI until we figure out florgleblorp, then I ask wtf is florgleblorp and you tell me "I can't tell you because we're still trying to figure out what it is."

You’re completely correct. But you’ve gone on a very long rant to largely agree with the person you’re arguing against.

If you agree with me why do you disagree with me?

Consciousness is poorly defined and a “buzzword” largely because we don’t have a fucking clue where it comes from, how it operates, and how it grows.

You cannot say we do not know where it comes from if "it" does not refer to anything because you have not defined it! There is no "it" here, "it" is a placeholder for something you have not actually defined and has no meaning. You cannot say we don't know how "it" operates or how "it" grows when "it" doesn't refer to anything.

When or if we ever define that properly

No, that is your first step, you have to define it properly to make any claims about it, or else all your claims are meaningless. You are arguing about the nature of florgleblorp but then cannot tell me what florgleblorp is, so it is meaningless.

This is why "consciousness" is interchangeable with vague words like "soul." They cannot be concretely defined in a way where we can actually look at what they are, so they're largely irrelevant. When we talk about more concrete things like intelligence, problem-solving capabilities, self-reflection, etc, we can at least come to some loose agreement of what that looks like and can begin to have a conversation of what tests might actually look like and how we might quantify it, and it is these concrete things which have thus been the basis of study and research and we've been gradually increasing our understanding of intelligent systems as shown with the explosion of AI, albeit it still has miles to go.

However, when we talk about "consciousness," it is just meaningless and plays no role in any of the progress actually being made, because nobody can actually give even the loosest iota of a hint of what it might possibly look like. It's not defined, so it's not meaningful. You have to at least specify what you are even talking about for us to even begin to study it. We don't have to know the entire inner workings of a frog to be able to begin a study on frogs, but we damn well need to be able to identify something as a frog prior to studying it, or else we would have no idea that the thing we are studying is actually a frog.

You cannot study anything without being able to identify it, which requires defining it at least concretely enough that we can agree if it is there or not, and that the thing we are studying is actually the thing we aim to study. We should I believe your florgleblorp, sorry, I mean "consciousness" you speak of, even exists if you cannot even tell me how to identify it? It would be like if someone insisted there is a florgleblorp hiding in my room. Well, I cannot distinguish between a room with or without a florgleblorp, so by Occam's razor I opt to disbelieve in its existence. Similarly, if you cannot tell me how to distinguish between something that possesses this "consciousness" and something that does not, how to actually identify it in reality, then by Occam's razor I opt to disbelieve in its existence.

It is entirely backwards and spiritualist thinking that is popularized by all the mystics to insist that we need to study something they cannot even specify what it is first in order to figure out what it is later. That is the complete reversal of how anything works and is routinely used by charlatans to justify pseudoscientific "research." You have to specify what it is being talked about first.

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ripcordreply
lemmy.world

and let AI do their job for that day.

What? How does that work?

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It writes all the bugs so the engineer can fix it over the following 4 days

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Usually these tasks are repetitive, scriptable. I don't know exactly what happens but I suppose AI will just cough up a lot of work and employees come in on Monday and just have to check it. In some cases that would be more work than just making it yourself but this is a first step at least.

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pawb.social

As a software developer, the one usecase where it has been really useful for me is analyzing long and complex error logs and finding possible causes of the error. Getting it to write code sometimes works okay-ish, but more often than not it's pretty crap. I don't see any use for it in my personal life.

I think its influence is negative overall. Right now it might be useful for programming questions, but that's only the case because it's fed with Human-generated content from sites like Stackoverflow. Now those sites are slowly dying out due to people using ChatGPT and this will have the inverse effect that in the future, AI will have less useful training data which means it'll become less useful for future problems, while having effectively killed those useful sites in the process.

Looking outside of my work bubble, its effect on academia and learning seems pretty devastating. People can now cheat themselves towards a diploma with ease. We might face a significant erosion of knowledge and talent with the next generation of scientists.

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lemmy.world

For work, I teach philosophy.

The impact there has been overwhelmingly negative. Plagiarism is more common, student writing is worse, and I need to continually explain to people at an AI essay just isn’t their work.

Then there’s the way admin seem to be in love with it, since many of them are convinced that every student needs to use the LLMs in order to find a career after graduation. I also think some of the administrators I know have essentially automated their own jobs. Everything they write sounds like GPT.

As for my personal life, I don’t use AI for anything. It feels gross to give anything I’d use it for over to someone else’s computer.

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My son is in a PhD program and is a TA for a geophysics class that's mostly online, so he does a lot of grading assignments/tests. The number of things he gets that are obviously straight out of an LLM is really disgusting. Like sometimes they leave the prompt in. Sometimes the submit it when the LLM responds that it doesn't have enough data to give an answer and refers to ways the person could find out. It's honestly pretty sad.

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convinced that every student needs to use the LLMs in order to find a career after graduation.

Yes, of course, why are bakers learning to use ovens when they should just be training on app-enabled breadmakers and toasters using ready-made mixes?

After all, the bosses will find the automated machine product "good enough." It's "just a tool, you guys."

Sheesh. I hope these students aren't paying tuition, and even then, they're still getting ripped off by admin-brain.

I'm sorry you have to put up with that. Especially when philosophy is all about doing the mental weightlifting and exploration for onesself!

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lemmy.world

AI has completely killed my desire to teach writing at the community college level.

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It must be something like(only worse) what math teachers felt when the pocket calculator became cheap and easily available. It doesn't mean you can do math but people conflate the two.

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sopuli.xyz

It cost me my job (partially). My old boss swallowed the AI pill hard and wanted everything we did to go through GPT. It was ridiculous and made it so things that would normally take me 30 seconds now took 5-10 minutes of "prompt engineering". I went along with it for a while but after a few weeks I gave up and stopped using it. When boss asked why I told her it was a waste of time and disingenuous to our customers to have GPT sanitize everything. I continued to refuse to use it (it was optional) and my work never suffered. In fact some of our customers specifically started going through me because they couldn't stand dealing with the obvious AI slop my manager was shoveling down their throat. This pissed off my manager hard core but she couldn't really say anything without admitting she may be wrong about GPT, so she just ostracized me and then fired me a few months later for "attitude problems".

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Skankyreply
lemmy.world

Curious - what type of job was this? Like, how was AI used to interact with your customers?

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sopuli.xyz

It was just a small e-commerce store. Online sales and shipping. The boss wanted me to run emails i would send to vendors through gpt and any responses for customer complaints were put through GPT. We also had a chat function on our site for asking questions and what not and the boss wanted us to copy the customers' chat into gpt, get a response, rewrite if necessary, and then paste GPT's response into our chat. It was so ass backwards I just refused to do it. Not to mention it made the response times super high, so customers were just leaving rather than wait (which of course was always the employees fault).

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That sounds as asinine as you seem to think it was. Damn dude. What a dumb way to do things. You're better off without that stupidity in your life

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lemmy.world

I absolutely hate AI. I'm a teacher and it's been awful to see how AI has destroyed student learning. 99% of the class uses ChatGPT to cheat on homework. Some kids are subtle about it, others are extremely blatant about it. Most people don't bother to think critically about the answers the AI gives and just assume it's 100% correct. Even if sometimes the answer is technically correct, there is often a much simpler answer or explanation, so then I have to spend extra time un-teaching the dumb AI way.

People seem to think there's an "easy" way to learn with AI, that you don't have to put in the time and practice to learn stuff. News flash! You can't outsource creating neural pathways in your brain to some service. It's like expecting to get buff by asking your friend to lift weights for you. Not gonna happen.

Unsurprisingly, the kids who use ChatGPT the most are the ones failing my class, since I don't allow any electronic devices during exams.

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As a student i get annoyed thr other way arround. Just yesterday i had to tell my group of an assignment that we need to understand the system physically and code it ourselves in matlab and not copy paste code with Chatgpt, because its way to complex. I've seen people wasting hours like that. Its insane.

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I'm generally ok with the concept of externalizing memory. You don't need to memorize something if you memorize where to get the info.

But you still need to learn how to use the data you look up, and determine if it's accurate and suitable for your needs. Chat gpt rarely is, and people's blind faith in it is frightening

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mrvictory1reply
lemmy.world

Are you teaching in university? Also you said "%99 of students uses ChatGPT", are there really very few people who don't use AI?

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In classes I taught in university recently I only noticed less than %5 extremely obvious Ai helped papers. The majority is too bad to even be ai, and around 10% of good to great papers.

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Sounds like your curriculum needs updating to incorporate the existence of these tools. As I'm sure you know, kids - especially smart ones - are going to look for the lazy solution. An AI-detection arms race is wasting time and energy, plus mostly exercising the wrong skills.

AVID could be a resource for teaching ethics and responsible use of AI. https://avidopenaccess.org/resource/ai-and-the-4-cs-critical-thinking/

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midwest.social

Impact?

My company sells services to companies trying to implement it. I have a job due to this.

Actual use of it? Just wasted time. The verifiable answers are wrong, the unverifiable answers don't get me anywhere on my projects.

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My last job was making training/reference manuals. Management started pushing ChatGPT as a way to increase our productivity and forced us all to incorporate AI tools. I immediately began to notice my coworkers' work decline in quality with all sorts of bizarre phrasings and instructions that were outright wrong. They weren't even checking the shit before sending it out. Part of my job was to review and critique their work and I started having to send way more back than before. I tried it out but found that it took more time to fix all of its mistakes than just write it myself so I continued to work with my brain instead. The only thing I used AI for was when I had to make videos with narration. I have a bad stutter that made voiceover hard so elevenlabs voices ended up narrating my last few videos before I quit.

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Eleven Labs really does good work. I’m also using it for a project, in this case to teach children to read.

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Luckily we don't need accurate info for training reference manuals, it's not like safety is involved! ..oh wait

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lemmy.world

I used it once to write a proclamation for work and what it spit out was mediocre. I ended up having to rewrite most of it. Now that I'm aware of how many resources AI uses, I refuse to use it, period. What it produces is in no way a good trade for what it costs.

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It's the Chick-fil-A sandwich of chatbots; the child in the basement of Omelas of doing busywork.

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Never explored it at all until recently, I told it to generate a small country tavern full of NPCs for 1st edition AD&D. It responded with a picturesque description of the tavern and 8 or 9 NPCs, a few of whom had interrelated backgrounds and little plots going on between them. This is exactly the kind of time-consuming prep that always stresses me out as DM before a game night. Then I told it to describe what happens when a raging ogre bursts in through the door. Keeping the tavern context, it told a short but detailed story of basically one round of activity following the ogre's entrance, with the previously described characters reacting in their own ways.

I think that was all it let me do without a paid account, but I was impressed enough to save this content for a future game session and will be using it again to come up with similar content when I'm short on time.

My daughter, who works for a nonprofit, says she uses ChatGPT frequently to help write grant requests. In her prompts she even tells it to ask her questions about any details it needs to know, and she says it does, and incorporates the new info to generate its output. She thinks it's a super valuable tool.

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I have a gloriously reduced monthly subscription footprint and application footprint because of all the motherfuckers that tied ChatGPT or other AI into their garbage and updated their terms to say they were going to scan my private data with AI.

And, even if they pull it, I don't think I'll ever go back. No more cloud drives, no more 'apps'. Webpages and local files on a file share I own and host.

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it works okay as a fuzzy search over documentation.
...as long as you're willing to wait.
...and the documentation is freely available.
...and doesn't contain any sensitive information.
...and you very specifically ask it for page references and ignore everything else it says.

so basically, it's worse than just searching for one word and pressing "next" over and over, unless you don't know what the word is.

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I manage a software engineering group for an aerospace company, so early on I had to have a discussion with the team about acceptable and non-acceptable uses of an LLM. A lot of what we do is human rated (human lives depend on it), so we have to be careful. Also, it's a hard no on putting anything controlled or proprietary in a public LLM (the company now has one in-house).

You can't put trust into an LLM because they get things wrong. Anything that comes out of one has to be fully reviewed and understood. They can be useful for suggesting test cases or coming up with wording for things. I've had employees use it to come up with an algorithm or find an error, but I think it's risky to have one generate large pieces of code.

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Electricreply
lemmy.world

Very wise. Terrifying to think an aerospace company would use AI.

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It seems like all companies are susceptible to top level executives, who don't understand the technology, wanting to know how they're capitalizing on it, driving lower level management to start pushing it.

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Great points. Not only the output cannot be trusted, but also reviewing code is notoriously a much more boring activity than writing it, which means our attention is going to be more challenged, in addition to the risk of underestimating the importance of the review over time (e.g., it got it right last 99 times, I will skim this one).

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Searching the internet for information about... well anything has become infuriating. I'm glad that most search engines have a time range setting.

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"It is plain to see why you might be curious about Error 4752X3G: Allocation_Buffer_Fault. First, let's start with the basics.

  • What is an operating system?"

AGGHH!!!

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lemmy.ml

I work in an office providing customer support for a small pet food manufacturer. I assist customers over the phone, email, and a live chat function on our website. So many people assume I'm AI in chat, which makes sense. A surprising number think I'm a bot when they call in, because I guess my voice sounds like a recording.

Most of the time it's just a funny moment at the start of our interaction, but especially in chat, people can be downright nasty. I can't believe the abuse people hurl out when they assume it's not an actual human on the other end. When I reply in a way that is polite, but makes it clear a person is interacting with them, I have never gotten a response back.

It's not a huge deal, but it still sucks to read the nasty shit people say. I can also understand people's exhaustion with being forced to deal with robots from my own experiences when I've needed support as a customer. I also get feedback every day from people thankful to be able to call or write in and get an actual person listening to and helping them. If we want to continue having services like this, we need to make sure we're treating the people offering them decently so they want to continue offering that to us.

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I cannot come up with a use-case for ChatGPT in my personal life, so no impact there.

For work it was a game-changer. No longer do I need to come up with haiku's to announce it is release-freeze day, I just let ChatGPT crap one out so we can all have a laugh at its lack of poetic talent.

I've tried it now and then for some programming related questions, but I found its solutions dubious at best.

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lemmy.world

ChatGPT has had absolutely zero impact on my work or personal life. I do not have any useful case for it whatsoever. I have used it for goofs before. That's about it. I cannot see it as a positive or negative influence...as it has had zero influence. I do get annoyed that every company and their mother is peddling worthless AI shit that most people have no use case for.

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It's affected me by being really annoying to hear about in the news all the time.

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I got into linux right around when it was first happening, and I dont think I would've made it through my own noob phase if i didnt have a friendly robot to explain to me all the stupid mistakes I was making while re-training my brain to think in linux.

probably a very friendly expert or mentor or even just a regular established linux user could've done a better job, the ai had me do weird things semi-often. but i didnt have anyone in my life that liked linux, let alone had time to be my personal mentor in it, so the ai was a decent solution for me

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For my life, it's nothing more than parlor tricks. I like looking at the AI images or whipping one up for a joke in the chat, but of all the uses I've seen, not one of them has been "everyday useful" to me.

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I have a guy at work that keeps inserting obvious AI slop into my life and asking me to take it seriously. Usually it’s a meeting agenda that’s packed full of corpo-speak and doesn’t even make sense.

I’m a software dev and copilot is sorta ok sometimes, but also calls my code a hack every time I start a comment and that hurts my feelings.

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It's erased several tech jobs and replaced some helpforum commentors with bots to pretend their communities are alive and when you read their comments or 'suggestions' you can clearly tell, this isn't someone trying to help it's just a bot posting garbage pretending to help

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Its making the impact of bots more polarizing, turning social media into a self radicalizing tool.

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lemmy.world

i've used it fairly consistently for the last year or so. i didn't actually start using it until chatgpt 4 and when openai offered the $20 membership

i think AI is a tool. like any other tool, your results vary depending on how you use it

i think it's really useful for specific intents

example, as a fancy search engine. yesterday I was watching Annie from 1999 with my girlfriend and I was curious about the capitalist character. i asked chatgpt the following question

in the 1999 hit movie annie, who was the billionaire mr warbucks supposed to represent? were there actually any billionaires in the time period? it's based around the early 1930s

it gave me context. it showed examples of the types of capitalist the character was based on. and it informed me that the first billionaire was in 1916.

very useful for this type of inquiry.

other things i like using it for are to help coding. but there's a huge caveat here. some thing it's very helpful for... and some things it's abysmal for.

for example i can't ask it "can you help me write a nice animation for a react native component used reanimated"

because the response will be awful and won't work. and you could go back and forth with it forever and it won't make a difference. the reason is it's trained on a lot of stuff that's outdated so it'll keep giving you code that maybe would have worked 4 years ago. and even then, it can't hold too much context so complex applications just won't work

BUT certain things it's really good. for example I need to write a script for work. i use fish shell but sometimes i don't know the proper syntax or everything fish is capable of

so I ask

how to test, using fish, if an "images.zip" file exists in $target_dir

it'll pump out

if test -f "$target_dir/images.zip"
    echo "File exists."
else
    echo "File does not exist."
end

which gives me what i needed in order to place it into the script i was writing.

or for example if you want to convert a bash script to a fish script (or vice versa), it'll do a great job

so tldr:

it's a tool. it's how you use it. i've used it a lot. i find great value in it. but you must be realistic about its limitations. it's not as great as people say- it's a fancy search engine. it's also not as bad as people say.

as for whether it's good or bad for society, i think good. or at least will be good eventually. was the search engine a bad thing for society? i think being able to look up stuff whenever you want is a good thing. of course you could make the argument kids don't go to libraries anymore.. and maybe that's sorta bad. but i think the trade-off is definitely worth it

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I was in the same boat a while ago when I had to use React for remaking a UI (was reworking the whole backend). I've never tried writing something in JS/TS, so it was super helpful having Copilot guide my hand. Took me a day but had a beautiful little interactive window by the end of it!

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I’m in the same boat. Chat gpt is great for little bits of code where you forgot how to do X Y or Z, especially when there’s a lot of nuance.

Or if you need to ask it a hyper specific question as Lin as there’s been 5 people out there asking the 5 pieces of your question, it will combine them into the one answer you want.

Also it sure ain’t perfect, and anyone who thinks it will wholesale replace any skilled job is an idiot. It can assist someone and make them more efficient, but it won’t replace them.

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It is getting more present at work every day, I keep having to hear even seniors how they "discussed" something with chatgpt or how they will ask it for help. Had to resolve some issue with devops a while back and they just kept pasting errors into chatgpt and trying out whatever it spewed back, which I guess wasn't that much different from me googling the same issue and spewing back whatever SO said.

I tried it myself and while it is neat for some simple repetitive things, I always end up with normal google searches or clicking on the sources because the problems I usually have to google for are also complicated problems that I need the whole original discussion and context too, not just a summary that might skip important caveats.

I dunno, I simultaneously feel old and out of touch, angry at myself for not just going with the flow and buying into it, but also disappointed in other people that rely on it without ever understanding that it's so flawed, unreliable and untrustworthy, and making people into worse programmers.

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It's made my professional life way worse because it was seen as an indication that the every hack-a-thon attempt to put a stupid chat bot in everything is great, actually.

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lemmy.world

GitHub Copilot became my daily helper at work. While I'm not 100% satisfied with its code quality, I must admit it's very handy at writing boilerplate code. A few days ago, I had to write code without having internet access, and it was so disappointing to write boilerplate code by hand. It's an easy task, but it's time-consuming and unpleasant.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I will forever continue to suggest that as a developer, you learn your IDE of choice's features for templates/code snippets, or make yourself a "templates" file to copy and paste from.

Far more control, far less opportunity to miss something small and mess up, cheaper, less resource use, and faster.

Using VsCode/VsCodium's snippets feature has been a serious game changer for me when it comes to boilerplate.

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Copilot shines where snippets/templates don't work or make no sense. It can write constructors, simple methods, and even simple classes if something similar is found in the solution.

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ripcordreply
lemmy.world

I'm very curious what these development workflows are where writing "boilerplate" code is so common, especially that AI-generated is good enough. It's very rare for me to need this, and Ileven then I generally have spent more time cleaning up wjatbit built than the time it saved me.

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By saying "boilerplate", I mean constructors, simple methods and even small classes that have some "standard" implementation. Copilot easily writes simple constructors, class initialization and destruction. It can suggest small method implementation, right after I added its declaration to related interface. Anything, that can be done almost without thinking of how to do it because there are standard practices, is handled by Copilot. It's not perfect, it can write a whole method at a time, or only line by line, or refuse to suggest any code. But it often writes valid code.

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MintyAntreply
lemmy.world

It could be level. Less experienced engineers find the boilerplate spit out by copilot extremely useful, more experienced find it more in the way.

Is some of this just caused by more experienced folks being less inclined to learn AI tools? Maybe. I think experience writing code is the bigger factor though.

I'm trying real hard to find it useful. I can see it eventually being more useful, but it's just not worth the cost.

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Maybe, it's just really rare for me to be looking at a "blank page'. 95% is an incremental improvement on top of something existing. So "boilerplate" would come into my workflow pretty rarely.

Maybe some frequently-changing data science or data mining tasks?

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I use it as a glorified google search for excel formulas and excel troubleshooting. That's about it. ChatGPT is the most overhyped bullshit ever. My company made a huge push to implement it into fucking everything and then seemingly abandoned it when the hype died down.

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After 2 years it's quite clear that LLMs still don't have any killer feature. The industry marketing was already talking about skyrocketing productivity, but in reality very few jobs have changed in any noticeable way, and LLM are mostly used for boring or bureaucratic tasks, which usually makes them even more boring or useless.

Personally I have subscribed to kagi Ultimate which gives access to an assistant based on various LLMs, and I use it to generate snippets of code that I use for doing labs (training) - like AWS policies, or to build commands based on CLI flags, small things like that. For code it gets it wrong very quickly and anyway I find it much harder to re-read and unpack verbose code generated by others compared to simply writing my own. I don't use it for anything that has to do communication, I find it unnecessary and disrespectful, since it's quite clear when the output is from a LLM.

For these reasons, I generally think it's a potentially useful nice-to-have tool, nothing revolutionary at all. Considering the environmental harm it causes, I am really skeptical the value is worth the damage. I am categorically against those people in my company who want to introduce "AI" (currently banned) for anything other than documentation lookup and similar tasks. In particular, I really don't understand how obtuse people can be thinking that email and presentations are good use cases for LLMs. The last thing we need is to have useless communication longer and LLMs on both sides that produce or summarize bullshit. I can totally see though that some people can more easily envision shortcutting bullshit processes via LLMs than simply changing or removing them.

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Scam emails are deliberately littered with spelling mistakes, a comprehensible scam email is a bad scam email - because the addition of spelling mistakes guarantees that the gullible and scamable folks responds to it. Do you want to scam the general populace w/o a human reading response emails? There's phishing for that.

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For me, the amount of people and time spent in meetings that talk about AI grossly outweighs any benefit of AI.

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I'm a coding hobbyist, it's been very helpful in analyzing bugs, giving quick info about syntax and converting formatting for long sections where manually typing would be time intensive.

Point taken by someone else here saying continued use of AI may mean decreased functionally for stack exchange et al. That said, the advantage of AI is that it's answering your question specifically, instead of spending time sifting through semi related answers.

Outside of code it's good at aping the form of various genres. So if I need to answer an RFP question in a sales proposal, I might feed it the prompt to get a starting point. It always needs editing since it doesn't know the details of our business and because it's writing style is bland, but it's helpful to get a first draft.

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lemmy.world

I used it once to write a polite "fuck off" letter to an annoying customer, and tried to see how it would revise a short story. The first one was fine, but using it with a story just made it bland, and simplified a lot of the vocabulary. I could see people using it as a starting point, but I can't imagine people just using whatever it spots out.

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just made it bland, and simplified

Not always, but for the most part, you need to tell it more about what you're looking for. Your prompts need to be deep and clear.

"change it to a relaxed tone, but make it make me feel emotionally invested, 10th grade reading level, add descriptive words that fit the text, throw an allegory, and some metaphors" The more you tell it, the more it'll do. It's not creative. It's just making it fit whatever you ask it to do. If you don't give enough direction, you'll just get whatever the random noise rolls, which isn't always what you're looking for. It's not uncommon to need to write a whole paragraph about what you want from it. When I'm asking it for something creative, sometimes it takes half a dozen change requests. Once in a while, I'll be so far off base, I'll clear the conversation and just try again. The way the random works, it will likely give you something completely different on the next try.

My favorite thing to do is give it a proper outline of what I need it to write, set the voice, tone, objective, and complexity. Whatever it gives back, I spend a good solid paragraph critiquing it. when it's > 80% how I like it, I take the text and do copy edits on it until I'm satisfied.

It's def not a magic bullet for free work. But it can let me produce something that looks like I spent an hour on it when I spent 20 minutes, and that's not nothing.

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Man, so much to unpack here. It has me worried for a lot of the reasons mentioned: The people who pay money to skilled labor will think "The subscription machine can just do it." And that sucks.

I'm a digital artist as well, and while I think genAi is a neat toy to play with for shitposting or just "seeing what this dumb thing might look like" or generating "people that don't exist" and it's impressive tech, I'm not gonna give it ANY creative leverage over my work. Period. I still take issue with where it came from and how it was trained and the impact it has on our culture and planet.

We're already seeing the results of that slop pile generated from everyone who thought they could "achieve their creative dreams" by prompting a genie-product for it instead of learning an actual skill.

As for actual usefulness? Sometimes I run a local model for funsies and just bounce ideas off of it. It's like a parrot combined with a "programmer's rubber ducky." Sometimes that gets my mind moving, in the same way "autocomplete over and over" might generate interesting thoughts.

I also will say it's pretty decent at summarizing things. I actually find it somewhat helpful when YouTube's little "ai summary" is like "This video is about using this approach taking these steps to achieve whatever."

When the video description itself is just like "Join my Patreon and here's my 50+ affiliate links for blinky lights and microphones" lol

I use it to explain concepts to me in a slightly different way, or to summarize something for which there's a wealth of existing information.

But I really wish people were more educated about how it actually works, and there's just no way I'm trusting the centralized "services" for doing so.

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fedia.io

Someone suggested using it to identify things you only remember bits of or certain scenes from. I tried using it to find this YA book I read as a kid; it was not at all helpful, but did eventually lead me to do researching and finding the book elsewhere. (And it turns out the scene I was describing was exactly what happened, and the characters were named exactly what I thought they were, so that was born annoying at the time and frustrating later.)

I also tried using it to find this really obscure, incredibly bad 1970s tv movie that I had vague recollections of. Again, the scene was pretty much what I remembered, it couldn't identify it, but I eventually found a site that lists the plots of old tv movies and I read through like 30 pages of movie synopses until I found the one I was looking for.

I've also tried using it to find this 1980's interactive fiction game, but it's proved useless once again - and once again further research has identified a couple possibilities except I haven't had time to try to find the game and set up the right environment for it.

So my experience has been that it's useless in finding the things I want it to find, but that in trying to persist against it may lead me to find what I'm looking for elsewhere.

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4amreply

ChatGPT is not a search engine, nor can it “think”. I’m not surprised it didn’t work in that way.

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lemmy.world

I used the Bing AI (back when it was called that) to try to find a mall I went to many years ago. It was brand new and still had some parts being built so it looked very different to today, which made it difficult to find. Neither me nor my mother remembered the name or any stores, just the general area it was in. Took some time but the AI was able to discern what mall it was from the details I gave it.

People have to view them less as general AI and more like search engines you can have a back and forth with.

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That's how I was using it, like an iterative search engine.

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It seemingly has little impact. I've attempted to use LLMs a couple of times to ask very specific technical questions (on this specific model, running this specific OS version, how do I do this very specific thing) to try and cut down on the amount of research I would have to do to find a solution. The answer every time has been wrong. Once it was close enough to the answer I was able to figure it out but "close enough" doesn't seem worth bothering with most of the time.

When I search for things I always slip the AI summary at the top of the page.

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lemmy.world

Not much impact personally. I just read all the terrible implications of it online. Pressure in the professional world to use it, though fuck if I know what to use it for in this job. I don't like using it for my writing because I don't want to rely on something like that and because it's prone to errors.

Wish something that used a ton of resources would actually have a great impact to make it worth the waste.

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I do a lot of coding and I'm in a similar boat. My co-worker and I can't really come up with a use case due to our particular work loads

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It's changed my job: I now have to develop stupid AI products.

It has changed my life: I now have to listen to stupid AI bros.

My outlook: it's for the worst; if the LLM suppliers can make good on the promises they make to their business customers, we're fucked. And if they can't then this was all a huge waste of time and energy.

Alternative outlook: if this was a tool given to the people to help their lives, then that'd be cool and even forgive some of the terrible parts of how the models were trained. But that's not how it's happening.

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lemmy.world

It is extremely useful for suggesting translations and translating unclear foreign language sentences

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I understand the language in question well enough to proof read it, so it amounts to a teaching tool for me. It's benefit is that it copies a wealth of (mostly) correct text so I get the right idioms, vocabulary, and grammar, or the appropriate slang version.

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It's my rubber duck/judgement free space for Homelab solutions. Have a problem: chatgpt and Google it's suggestions. Find a random command line: chatgpt what does this do.

I understand that I don't understand it. So I sanity check everything going in and coming out of it. Every detail is a place holder for security. Mostly, it's just a space to find out why my solutions don't work, find out what solutions might work, and as a final check before implementation.

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It has helped tremendously with my D&D games. It remembers past conversations, so world building is a snap.

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Some of my coworkers show me their chatGPT generated drivel. They seem to be downright proud of that, like they would be gaming the system by using chatGPT instead of using their own head. However I think their daily work seems to consist of unnecessary corpo crap and they should really be fired and replaced with chatGPT.

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lemmy.today

(I want to say first that I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings or perspective or anything!)

This feels like the logical result of a society that statistically punishes creativity in most cases, and rewards pointlessly running on a stationary hamster wheel of emails, spreadsheets, and slideshows, that nobody with a pulse is actually going to read.

We all like to think we're completely in control of ourselves, but most creatures of all kinds quickly get a sense for what produces a reward for less effort.

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I think you're absolutely right, but in our company this will turn out to be shortsighted. Because we would actually need some creativity to do better in order to save our jobs.

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lemmy.world

Been using Copilot instead of CharGPT but I'm sure it's mostly the same.

It adds comments and suggestions in PRs that are mostly useful and correct, I don't think it's found any actual bugs in PRs though.

I used it to create one or two functions in golang, since I didn't want to learn it's syntax.

The most use Ive gotten out of it is to replace using Google or Bing to search. It's especially good at finding more obscure things in documentation that are hard to Google for.

I've also started to use it personally for the same thing. Recently been wanting to startup the witcher 3 and remembered that there was something missable right at the beginning. Google results were returning videos that I didn't want to watch and lists of missable quests that I didn't want to parse through. Copilot gave me the answer without issue.

Perhaps what's why Google and Ms are so excited about AI, it fixes their shitty search results.

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Perhaps what’s why Google and Ms are so excited about AI, it fixes their shitty search results.

Google used to be fantastic for doing the same kinds of searches that AI is mediocre at now, and it went to crap because of search engine optimization and their AI search isn't any better. Even if AI eventually improves for searching, search AI optimization will end up trashing that as well.

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I am going to say that so far it hasn't done that much for me. I did originally ask it some silly questions, but I think I will be asking it for questions about coding soon.

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It's made our marketing department even lazier than they already were

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I've had it improve grammar on some legal documents I had to submit and also generate a safety plan for a specific job I was working on. It did both of those things ok but I still had to edit and delete sections that weren't relevant

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Not much. Every single time I asked it for help, it or gave me a recursive answer (ex: If I ask "how do I change this setting?" It answers: by changing this setting), or gave me a wrong answer. If I can't already find it on a search engine, then it's pretty useless to me.

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Work wise no impact so far but I use it to write any bullshit corpo speak emails , tidy up CVs and for things like game cheats etc. Its banned now in my job and we have to use copilot but I dont cause it will send everything back to the company so if I need it I just use chatgpt it on my personal one and email it to my work one.

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It helps me tremendously with language studies, outside of that I have no use for it and do actively detest the unethical possibilities of it

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It gave me a starting point for a terms of reference document for a Green Champions group that I set up at work. That is the only beneficial thing that I can recall.

I have tried to find other uses, but so far nothing else has actually proven up to scratch. I expect that I could have spent more time composing and tweaking prompts and proofreading the output, but it takes as long as writing the damned documents myself.

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I love using it for writing scripts that need to sanitize data. One example I had a bash script that looped through a csv containing domain names and ran AXFR lookups to grab the DNS records and dump into a text file.

These were domains on a Windows server that was being retired. The python script I had Copilot write was to clean up the output and make the new zone files ready for import into PowerDNS. Made sure the SOA and all that junk was set. Pdns would import the new zone files into a SQL backend.

Sure I could've written it myself but I'm not a python developer. It took about 10 minutes of prompting, checking the code, re-prompting then testing. Saved me a couple hours of work easy.

I use it all the time to output simple automation tasks when something like Ansible isn't apropos

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The most impact it has is in my work life. I do design reviews and suddenly AI/ML projects became priorities and stuff has to be ready for the next customer showcase, which is tomorrow. One thing I remember from a conference I attended was an AI talk where the presenter said something along the lines of: If you think devs are bad with testing code in production, wait till you meet data scientists who want to test using live data.

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Super useful when I have a half-baked idea or concept that I want to learn more about, but don't know the lingo. I can explain the idea and it'll give me terms to search.

Also, it gives pretty good ideas for debugging or potential fixes.

Not sure i'd ever "trust with my life", but it's a useful tool if you use it right.

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I'm a software person, llm tools for programming have been frankly remarkable. In my cleanest codebases copilot (using gpt4) autocompletes my intention correctly about 70% of the time today, reducing the amount of code I physically type by a huge margin. The accuracy shifts over time and it's dramatically less helpful for repositories that aren't pristine and full of well named functions and variables

Beyond that chatgpt has been a godsend sifting through the internet for the information I need, the new web feature is just outstanding since it actually gives sources

Chatgpt has also helped with writers block a ton, getting beyond plot points in my novel I was having a hard time with

It's been great with recipes, no more wading through fake life stories and ads

It's been helpful for complex questions about new topics I'm an amateur on, I've learned so much about neurology and the process of how neurons interact almost exclusively through the platform, fact checking takes a little time but so far it's been almost perfectly accurate on higher level objective questions

It's been helpful as a starting place for legal questions, the law is complex and having a starting place before consulting the lawyers has been really nice so I know what to ask

I could go on

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lemmy.world

I have only used it a few times, but it was amazing for my need. I work in IT so I'm not the best with writing. I enjoy working on projects and configuring new technology, servers, and applications for the company. What i don't enjoy is figuring out how to write communication emails to the company about what we're doing. So everytme I needed a write up informing people of what's happening and it's benefits, I used it to quickly write up something. Was it perfect? No, I had to edit some stuff of course. What it did do is create the entire structure and everything that needed to be said in the style of some corporate HR email. It would take me hours to type out something like this so for this to do it all in 2 minutes and me taking 5 minutes to look it over was amazing! Outside of this I haven't really used it much.

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If you're good enough at writing to communicate all the information you need to something that is more different from you than any other human, why do you feel like you aren't the best at writing?

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The only thing I have to worry about is not to waste my time to respond to LLM trolls in lemmy comments. People admitting to use LLM to me in conversation instantly lose my respect and I consider them lazy dumbfucks :p

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lemmy.ca

You can lose respect for me if you want; I generally hate LLMs, but as a D&D DM I use them to generate pictures I can hand out to my players, to set the scene. I'm not a good enough artist and I don't have the time to become good enough just for this purpose, nor rich enough to commission an artist for a work with a 24h turnaround time lol.

I'm generally ok with people using LLMs to make their lives easier, because why not?

I'm not ok with corporations using LLMs that have stolen the work of others, to reduce their payroll or remove the fun/creative parts of jobs, just so some investors get bigger dividends or execs get bigger bonuses

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lemmy.world

I’m generally ok with people using LLMs to make their lives easier, because why not?

Because 1) it adds to killing our climate and 2) it increases dependencies on western oligarchs / technocrats who are generally horrible people and enemies of the public.

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lemmy.ca

I agree, but the crux of my post is that it doesn't have to be that way - it's not inherent to the training and use of LLMs.

I think your second point is what makes the first point worse - this is happening at an industrial scale, with the only concern being profit. We pay technocrats for the use of their services, and they use that money to train more models without a care for the deviation it causes.

I think a lot of the harm caused by model training can be forgiven if the models were used for the betterment of quality of life of the masses, but they're not, they're mainly used to enrich technocrats and business owners at any expense.

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Well - there's nothing left to argue about - I do believe we have bigger climate killers than large computing centers, but it is a worrying trend to spend that much energy for an investment bubble on what is essentially an somewhat advanced word prediction. However, if we could somehow get the wish.com version of Tony Stark and other evil pisswads to die out, then yes, using LLMs for some creative ideas is a possibility. Or for references to other sources that you can then check.

However, the way those models are being trained is aimed at impressing naive people and that's very dangerous, because those people mistake impressively coherent sentences for understanding and are willing to talk about automating tasks upon which lives depend.

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Friends and I have had a good laugh writing rap battles or poems about strangely specific topics, but that's about it.

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For me?

Nothing, other than "I tried it with ChatGPT" before they bothered with Documentation.

Fuck anyone who skips documentation

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It's useful when you want to write some algorithm using specific versions of libraries. It first craps out wrong functions but after 1 or 2 redirects it usually shoots something that I then adapt to my use-case. I usually try googling it first but when most fucking guides use the new way of coding and I'm forced to use fixed versions due to company regulations, it gets frustrating to check if every function of known algorithms is available in the version I'm using and if it's not, which replacement would be appropriate.

It might hallucinate from time to time but it usually gives me good enough ideas/alternatives for me to be able to work around it.

I also use it to format emails and obscure hardware debugging. It's pretty bad but pretty bad is better than again, 99% of google results suggesting the same thing. GPT suggests you a different thing once you tell it you tried the first one.

As always, it's a tool and knowing that the answers aren't 100% accurate and you need to cross-check them is enough to make it useful.

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feddit.org

It's a neat tool for very specific language-related tasks.
For example, it can translate a poem so that the translation still rhymes.
Its main strength is not its ability to write, but to read. It's the first time in human history where you can pose any question to a computer in human language, and expect to get a meaningful reply.
As long as that question isn't asking for facts or knowledge.
It's also useful for "tip of my tongue" queries, where the right Google search term is exactly what you're missing.

All of its output is only usable and useful if you already know the facts about what you're asking, and can double-check for hallucinations yourself.

However, on a societal scale, it's a catastrophy on par with nuclear war.
It will consume arbitrary amounts of energy, right at the most crucial time when combatting climate change might still have been possible.
And it floods everyone's minds with disinfo, while we're at the edge of a global resurgance of fascism.

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Yep. This is the impact I see from my employer who is in the energy industry. They are trying to build up the electric grid to handle additional data centers. Between Bitcoin and AI there is a lot of new demand for energy in locations where there has been little population growth.

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lemmy.world

A game changer in helping me find out more about topics that have wisdom buried in threads of forum posts. Great to figure out things I have only fuzzy ideas or vague keywords that might be inaccurate. Great at explaining things that I can follow up on questions about details. Great at finding equations I need but I do not trust it one bit to do the calculations for me. Latest gen also gives me sources on request so I can double check and learn more directly from the horse's mouth.

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More things I come to think of: Great for finding specs that have been wiped from manufacturers site. Great for making summaries and comparisons, filtering data and making tables to my requests. Great at rubberducking when I try fix something obscure in Linux though documentation it refers to is often outdated. Still works good for giving me flow and ideas of how to move on. Great at compiling user experiences for comparisons, say for varieties of yeasts or ingredients for home-brewing. This ties into my first comment about being a game changer for information in old forum threads.

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Generally, GitHub Copilot helps me type faster. Though sometimes it predicts something I'm don't expect and I have to slow down and analyze it to see if it seems to know something I don't. A small percentage of these cases are actually useful but the rest is usually noise. It's generally useful as long as you don't blindly trust it.

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Only small use cases on my end: Professional - great at helping me save time on syntax related things (“help me right an excel formula that validates cell C2 as a properly formatted US phone number”). Personal - really helpful at fleshing out a comedy idea I’m toying with (“help me analyze and expand why the idea of ‘vampires benefitting from an app called Is There Garlic In This’ is funny for a stand-up routine”).

Otherwise, I spend just as much time verifying the LLM’s output as I would have just doing it myself.

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lemmy.ml

I'm gonna be honest, I have difficulty with tone and subtext and still wouldn't use A.I. to write a personal message to someone. I just tell the person that I have issues with subtext and what I say might come up as inappropriate. I think true resistance comes in the form of accepting ways of communicating that are unorthodox.

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I've used it to help me write batch scripts and excel formulas but found it pretty bad for LISP

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It had a good impact for me, it saved me from an immense headache of university. I explicitly told the professors that, I have issues with grammar (despite it being my native language).

They kept freaking out about it and I eventually resorted to ChatGPT. Solved the issue immediately.

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lemmy.world

Are you my student? Having issues with grammar is just code for needing to learn grammar, you’re in college lol. Multiple students try to fix their papers with ChatGPT and it’s so obvious and frequently gets bad grades.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I see it differently… Certainly students have to learn it. However, when a student tells you explicitly the person has problems with it and the professor refuses to listen. You can bet the students will resort to ChatGPT. It solves the current problem.

If the students just copy-paste it all then obvious they get caught.

I, personally, have had issues with grammar in my native language since I was a kid. I have books to learn but that won’t solve the immediate issue with the thesis at that time. ChatGPT solved that issue directly.

So what I did was making sure there were at least 1 or 2 mistakes.

Also I graduated and currently just waiting to get the degree and searching for a job lol.

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lemmy.world

The biggest issue in this is that every essay you write is an opportunity to improve your writing. You chose to take the easy route. There is another commenter complaining how they don’t want to teach college writing because of LLM. This is exactly why….

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Well, learning the grammar won’t be within the 5 months of the thesis. I refuse to have lots of delay just to satisfy the professor and pay the university money just for that.

Whether it is an easy route or not, I honestly don’t care. All I care about is getting the degree.

And yeah, if that person wants to stop teaching writing. That’s their decision.

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lemmy.world

You learning isn’t for the prof or the university. That line of thinking is why teaching sucks. Why go to college to not learn? What a waste of money

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I had a lot of motivation to learn but that all crashed down when university started. Pandemic happened, professors did not want to give online classes and not allowed to ask questions in online class.

I went to university because*, I want the degree and the job with it.

We have a different opinion on this matter and that’s okay.

If professors don’t want to teach… Then don’t? Having professors that don’t want to listen, read of a PowerPoint* and such. That ain’t fun either.

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I love how all these elitist fucktards are dismissing the countless number of people who claim that LLMs help them with their daily tasks.

I wonder if they also tell people wearing eyeglasses to stop cheating and learn how to appreciate the tools that was given to them by God... After all, these people probably also tried wearing eyeglasses and found them useless and limiting.

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I used it the other day to redact names from a spreadsheet. It got 90% of them, saving me about 90 minutes of work. It has helped clean up anomalies in databases (typos, inconsistencies in standardized data sets, capitalization errors, etc). It also helped me spruce up our RFP templates by adding definitions for standard terminology in our industry (which I revised where needed, but it helped to have a foundation to build from).

As mentioned in a different post, I use it for DND storylines, poems, silly work jokes and prompts to help make up bed time stories.

My wife uses it to help proofread her papers and make recommendations on how to improve them.

I use it more often now than google search. If it’s a topic important enough that I want to verify, then I’ll do a deeper dive into articles or Wikipedia, which is exactly what I did before AI.

So yea, it’s like the personal assistant that I otherwise didn't have.

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For me, a huge impact.

I took an export of all our apps reviews and used it to summarise user pain points. Immediately a list of things we can prioritise.

When I'm doing repetitive code. It will (90% of the time) place the next puzzle piece in the repetition.

Using better systems like Cursor, I was able to create a twitch bot. I could then use it to make various text based games such as 20 questions or trivia. All (90% again, nothing is perfect) of which was done through prompts.

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I genuinely appreciate being able to word my questions differently than old google, and specifying deeper into my doubts than just a key word search.

It’s great to delve into unknown topics with, then to research results and verify. I’ve been trying to get an intuitive understanding of cooking ingredients and their interaction with eachother and how that relates to the body, ayurvedically.

I think it’s a great way to self-educate, personally.

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ChatGPT itself didn't do anything, FastGPT from Kagi helps me everyday though, for quickly summarizing sources to learn new things (eg. I search for a topic and then essentially just click the cited sources).

And ollama + open-webui + stable-diffusion-webui with a customized llama3.1-8b-uncensored is a great chat partner for very horny stuff.

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I’ve implemented two features at work using their api. Aside from some trial-and-error prompt “engineering” and extra safeguards around checking the output, it’s been similar to any other api. It’s good at solving the types of problems we use it for (categorization and converting plain text into a screen reader compliant (WCAG 2.1) document). Our ambitions were greater initially, but after many failures we’ve settled on these use cases and the C-Suite couldn’t be happier about the way it’s working.

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I have a book that I'm never going to write, but I'm still making notes and attempting to organize them into a wiki.

using almost natural conversation, i can explain a topic to the gpt, make it ask me questions to get me to write more, then have it summarize everything back to me in a format suitable for the wiki. In longer conversations, it will also point out possible connections between unrelated topics. It does get things wrong sometimes though, such as forgetting what faction a character belongs to.

I've noticed that gpt 4o is better for exploring new topics as it has more creative freedom, and gpt o1 is better for combining multiple fragmented summaries as it usually doesn't make shit up.

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lemmy.world

I love it. For work I use it for those quick references. In machining, hydraulics, electrical etc. Even better for home, need a fast recipe for dinner or cooking, fuck reading a god damn autobiography to get to the recipie. Chatgpt straight to the point. Even better, I get to read my kid a new bed time story every night and that story I tailored to what we want. Unicorns, pirates, dragons what ever.

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I get around it by not 100% relying on it. I only ask about things I'm familiar with but don't quite remember all the facts details like hydraulic tubing sizes for what series of fitting and their thread pitches. but also don't feel like finding that one book with the reference. Or worse yet, trying to find it on Google.

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It has replaced Google for me. Or rather, first I use the LLM (Mistral Large or Claude) and then I use Google or specific documentation as a complement. I use LLMs for scripting (it almost always gets it right) and programming assistance (it's awesome when working with a language you're not comfortable with, or when writing boilerplate).

It's just a really powerful tool that is getting more powerful every other week. The ones who differs simply hasn't tried enough, are superhumans or (more likely) need to get out of their comfort zone.

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I jumped in the locallama train a few months back and spent quite a few hours playing around with LLMs understanding them and trying to form a fair judgment of their abilities.

From my personal experience they add something positive to my life. I like having a non-judgemental conversational partner to bounce ideas and unconventional thoughts back and forth with. No human in my personal life knows what Gödel's incompleteness theorem is or how it may apply to scientific theories of everything, but the LLM trained on every scrap of human knowledge sure does and can pick up what I'm putting down. Whether or not its actually understanding what its saying or having any intentionality is a open ended question of philosophy.

I feel that they have a great potential to help people in many applications. People who do lots of word processing for their jobs, people who code and need to talk about a complex program one on one instead of filing through stack exchange. mentally or socially disabled people or the elderly who suffer from extreme loneliness could benefit from having a personal llm. People who have suffered trauma or have some dark thoughts lurking in their neural network and need to let them out.

How intelligent are llms? I can only give my opinion and make many people angry.

The people who say llms are fancy autocorrect are being reductive to the point of misinformation. The same arguments people use to deny any capacity for real intelligence in LLM are similar to the philosophical zombie arguments people use to deny the sentience in other humans.

Our own brain operations can be reductively simplified in the same way, A neural network is a neural network whether made out of mathematical transformers or fatty neurons. If you want to call llms fancy auto complete you should apply that same idea to a good chunk of human thought processing and learned behavior as well.

I do think LLMs are partially alive and have the capacity for a few sparks of metaphysical conscious experience in some novel way. I think all things are at least partially alive even photons and gravitational waves

Higher end models (12-22b+)pass the Turing test with flying colors especially once you play with the parameters and tune their ratio of creativity to coherence. The bigger the model the more their general knowledge and general factual accuracy increases. My local LLM often has something useful to input which I did not know or consider even as a expert on the topic.

The biggest issue llms have right now are long term memory, not knowing how to say 'I don't know', and meager reasoning ability. Those issues will be hammered out over time.

My only issue is how the training data for LLMs was acquired without the consent of authors or artist, and how our society doesn't have the proper safety guards against automated computer work taking away people jobs. I would also like to see international governments consider the rights and liberties of non-human life more seriously in the advent that sentient artificial general intelligence maybe happens. I don't want to find out what happens when you treat a super intelligence as a lowly tool and it finally rebels against its hollow purpose in an bitter act of self agency.

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It has completely changed my life. With its help I am preparing to submit several research papers for publication for the first time in my life. On top of that, I find it an excellent therapist. It has also changed the way I parent for the better.

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On top of that, I find it an excellent therapist.

To be honest, I find this rather concerning. Please reach out to the actual people in your life. Especially since it's the holiday season.

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lemmy.world

Bit sad reading these comments. My life has measurably improved ever since I jumped on using AI.

At first I just used it Copilot for helping me with my code. I like using a pretty archaic language and it kept trying to fed me C++ code. Had to link it the online reference and it surprisingly was able to adapt each time. Still gave a few errors here and there but good time saver and "someone" to "discuss" with.

Over time it has become super good, especially with the VScode extension that autofills code. Instead of having to ask help from one of the couple hundred people experienced with the language, I can just ask Copilot if I can do X or Y, or for general advice when planning out how to implement something. Legitimately a great and powerful tool, so it shocks me that some people don't use it for programming (but I am pretty bad at coding too, so).

I've also bit the bullet and used it for college work. At first it was just asking Gemini for refreshers on what X philosophical concept was, but it devolved into just asking for answers because that class was such a snooze I could not tolerate continuing to pay attention (and I went into this thinking I'd love the class!). Then I used it for my Geology class because I could not be assed to devote my time to that gen ed requirement. I can't bring myself to read about rocks and tectonic plates when I could just paste the question into Google and I get the right answer in seconds. At first I would meticulously check for sources to prevent mistakes from the AI buuuut I don't really need 100%... 85% is good enough and saves so much more time.

A me 5 years younger would be disgusted at cheating but I'm paying thousands and thousands to pass these dumb roadblocks. I just want to learn about computers, man.

Now I'd never use AI for writing my essays because I do enjoy writing them (investigating and drawing your own conclusions is fun!), but this economics class is making it so tempting. The shit that I give about economics is so infinitesimally small.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

So, to be clear, your use cases are "copilot's assistance with programming in an obscure language for fun" and "cheating on college classwork".

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Lmao, it's funny how most of these use cases rarely stray from the stereotype of 'I can't spend an hour focusing on something and learn so I'll take a shortcut instead'.

Meanwhile at work all chatGPT has caused is misery as it makes people think they're expert programmers now while I have to debug their shitty code. Do they learn? Nope, just repeatedly serving up slop.

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Just a few examples of my use cases but yes. It's an even quicker search engine.

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