I think, as the gap between people with lots of money and ordinary people grows bigger, things get more extreme. It was complicated to publish something in Gutenberg's time, it was complicated in 19th century, and it is complicated now, but that are very different kinds of complicated. I would guess, that there was an optimal time with least friction, and I think we're past that time.
Of course, I never tried that or researched, maybe the internet gives reach that is so wide that if something gets popular it will be noticed and get funding
Harry Potter is the one that comes to mind. Also Game of Thrones if you’d like. Both really blew up, have spin offs and staying power. Harry Potter has toys, video games, and amusement parks.
That's not really the point though. The post isn't about something new since Star Wars. The idea is something new with a similar scope and scale of Star Wars. They're not using that as an example of the last thing that was made.
If you think Harry Potter doesn't have the scale of Star Wars then you're crazy. As proof of this, Universal built their Harry Potter lands, and Disney tried to compete with their Star Wars land. They're pretty equal in scale. (Well, unless you mean the scale of their universe, but that's silly.)
Did I? The OP is obviously discussing the market share, or culture share. HP obviously is similar to SW. If they meant the number of other pieces of media then sure, SW is bigger, but not for the same point in time. HP is much larger for how old it is.
If I'm still misunderstanding, would you care to explain, rather than just saying it's misunderstanding it?
Well I absolutely do not think Harry Potter has the same scale as Star Wars. It's not nearly as well thought out or as extensive or is interconnected. It was written by a brain dead Turf who had had to retcon every single book because she couldn't keep her thoughts straight after when she wrote the next one.
However that was absolutely not the point I was making.
I don't think you're aware of how poorly written most of Star Wars is then.
Yes, the writer for HP sucks, and the books are poorly written, but that's not really relevant to this discussion. Just watch the sequels of Star Wars especially for how poorly written it is. None of this affects the original premise of the post. There are other things written significantly better that aren't as popular, but the OP wasn't talking about those.
If you want to argue that only the original series of SW matters, that has a tiny scale. It hardly explains anything and it just exists in a universe that isn't explained. The OP isn't talking about just the original trilogy.
Obviously there's more SW content though, but it's had a few decades head start. The point is the HP is a similar scale for the same time period (if anything, it's significantly larger).
Okay this is beside the point because you're reading it wrong. But no Frozen does not count. In any way whatsoever. That is nowhere close to the scale and scope of what we're talking about.
hot take: a new Star Wars or Marvel will emerge in our lifetimes. something completely original and not based on 50+ year old intellectual property…
The original post said a new “Star Wars” not and then not an IP from over 50 years ago. Not that the IP just came out this year or however you want to define “new”.
The very first Harry Potter book came out came out in 1997, which was almost 30 years ago. A Game Of Thrones came out in 1996, exactly 30 years ago. Both blew up and were massive cultural touchstones, not unlike how Star Wars is/was.
I'm not sure how you're missing this. Get off of Star Wars. That was just an example. Nothing about that post says there's been nothing new since Star Wars. Star Wars and Marvel were used as examples of huge culturally significant interconnected universes. Massive intellectual properties. That's the point of the post. They're saying there's going to be a new one of that scale sometime in the future. In no way are they saying nothing new has been created since Star Wars. If you read it that way you read it incorrectly.
literally true, but i think choosing only marvel and star wars as examples implies the questioner doesn’t think there was anything new between marvel and now
I mean I don't think it implies that at all. But I do agree the internet has a habit of reading things that way because the internet is psychotic. What's that old post about if you say you like pancakes someone's going to say oh so you hate waffles? Like that.
No shit Star Wars was an example of an IP that was a cultural touchstone. That’s the whole point of the post. That a massive IP would come out, but would have been original and created in the last 50 years (sorry Lord of the Rings).
And you can’t tell me that Harry Potter nor Game of Thrones haven’t reached a cultural significance. The post said nothing about interconnected universes, you should really get off that, since you seem to have inferred that from who knows where. If you say to a random person “Winter is coming” or “Voldemort” or hell, even “Potter” almost everyone is going to think of either IP. Those are examples of a cultural touchstone from the last 30 years.
You seem to be thinking they said nothing came out since Star Wars. That was absolutely 1,000% not what they're saying. They could have said Harry potter. They could have said game of thrones. Those are two other examples that would have made their point for them. They just chose star wars. I don't know how to say this any clearer. I don't understand what you're not getting.
Ok, let's start over, since you don't seem to be getting it. Stop getting hung up on Star Wars. No shit they chose Star Wars.
OP said an example of Massive IP, and put forth that there'll be a new, original one that will have been created within the last 50 years. With me so far?
Someone said they didn't know why I was being down voted. You said
Because those aren’t new?
The examples I gave fit the criteria of the statement: other examples of original IPs that were created after 1976 to become massive IPs. These IPs were just other examples of newer IPs. Still with me? The OP stated some criteria and there are already examples that fit that criteria. There will continue to be other examples that fit that criteria as time goes on, ad nausem.
So off the bat, your original comment on this thread and on other other threads seem off base. There will always be a new, original IP that blows up. That's a nothing burger. Naturally, culture will find something new to obsess about, something that resonates with people. Should my comment have just been to read the post and say, "Yes, how thought provoking! There could be someone who is starting to come up with ideas right now that will become a massive IP later. How deep!"? If that's your correct interpretation that I'm not "getting", no shit. That's nothing to discuss because it's so obvious.
Talking about other examples is a way to create conversation on this thread. People can debate if Pokemon, or Jurassic Park, or even the Simpsons fit the criteria. What other examples of IPs have come out after 1976 fit? Maybe these IPs don't at the moment, but they might blow up in the near future, not unlike how Snoopy has really blown up more recently.
Maybe Snoopy will be the next big thing, could you imagine? Some cultural touchstone that has come back after it's heyday. That's not unlike Marvel, where they were big for a while, faced bankruptcy, and then became huge in the last 10 years. That's more interesting, and worth discussing than to just post "Oh my god, how true." That's something that you don't seem to get.
From basically the mid-’80s through the mid-’90s, I was involved in television. Whenever I turned in the script in my first draft, I would always get the reaction, “George, we love it, but it’s five times our budget, so… Can you go back and cut things?
And when I finally left television and film and went into prose in the mid-90s, I said, I don’t care about that anymore, I’m going to write something just as big as my imagination, I’m going to have all the characters I want, and gigantic castles, and dragons, and direwolves, and hundreds of years of history, and a really complex plot, and it’s fine because it’s a book. It’s essentially unfilmable.
it helps they are pretty much legacy franchises that had an original story. MCU is not that, disney tries too hard to tie them all into a smorgasbord shows. i think the pre-disney marvel shows were much better(the ones that were cancelled by disney because of the merger).
There are several new things in the same universe, so I wouldn't say there aren't spin-offs. They're still going. I would say this is one of the many correct answers for this.
This isn't a hot take. It's about as "predictive" as saying eventually there will be another sports star or viral website. The question is when it will happen, not if.
Since you mentioned sports. I wonder if there will ever be a new sport that rises to the level of football, etc. in our lifetimes? That seems far less likely.
The last thing I watched in theaters was a reshowing of the Fellowship of the Ring. Everything else is on a buddy's Plex server. Fuck the movies I ain't paying 50 dollars for sticky floors and shitty snacks. I can do both of those at home.
I’m with you. I feel a bit bad because my husband loves (or loved) the experience of going to the movies, whereas I couldn’t care less and would prefer my couch. But we used to go because he enjoyed it, and it was nice to avoid spoilers for big things. Nowadays between having kids and the overall experience of movie-going having completely gone down the shitter and more expensive to boot, we don’t go anymore. And I don’t really miss it. He goes out sometimes with his buddies to see a movie, and I’ll tell him if there’s something he has to wait to see with me (Dune is the only thing recently).
I keep thinking some movie will come along that will make me want to go again. The only one that comes to mind is Spaceballs 2, because I expect the audience to be completely into it. But, even then, I'll probably just wait.
You're right. They're including multiple tickets, snacks, etc., methinks. But, also, $15 is too high for the experience offered, IMO.
As of 2025, the average price of a standard movie ticket in the United States is about $11.50, though it varies widely by city, theater, and time of day.
Big cities (New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco): $15–$20 for a standard ticket
Midsize cities (Denver, Dallas, Atlanta): $12–$15
Smaller towns / rural areas: $8–$11
Premium formats (like IMAX, Dolby Cinema, 3D) add extra costs — usually $3–$7 more per ticket.
I'm not sure I agree, to get that same experience at home I'd need a 6-figure purpose-built room with a bluray copy of each movie so $15 once a month isn't too bad.
Most people are happy enough streaming low bitrates on their 55" Walmart TV with a $100 soundbar so it's definitely not an experience for everyone but I'd consider $10/hour is pretty good rate. I value home entertainment closer to $1/hour
Its not just the price of the theater. The cost of living and adulthood responsibilities also make it hard to get to the movies in the first place. I specifically need to get a baby sitter unless my wife or I are staying home too. Its just not in the cards anymore.
Haskins and AMC aren't showing indie films all day. The one film buff theater in my town I know of that plays off the wall shit is a dine in, has a 70mm projector, and is expensive as fuck. I consistently have an empty bank account. I am not going to the movies.
It was more like "Wow! You watch your shit on Plex!?" (I literally use Plex to watch old trek and Jujutsu Kaizen) "films are gonna die because YOU aren't out at indie film festivals!" Which doesnt make much sense. Thats hardly much to go off of when a lot of indie films are shown at specific theaters like the single one in my town thats hosts 70mm film. Its also a dine in and expensive. So no. I can't do that much to support indie film in my own life. I'm broke.
"films are gonna die because YOU aren't out at indie film festivals!" Which doesnt make much sense.
Probably why I didn't say that then, huh? Neither did I suggest you go beyond your fiscal means. But if new ideas in media is something you want, which you said, then the only way that happens is with people making a point to support it how they can outside the mainstream. You sticking solely to your home media server does nothing of use for the people making the content you're demanding.
I took my kid and his friend to see Deadpool, the first one. That was my last time for me.
They could offer a better experience, something that would draw me, but they're not even close to matching what I have at home for now. And, maybe they couldn't do it profitably anymore, I don't know.
Twenty years from now, movie theaters will only be left in big cities, that have enough people nearby to support them. But, even then, they'll need to change what they do.
I have some stuff rattling around but I don't think people would interested in what boils down to wikipedia articles, you can't make me write about character grown or arcs
just keep posting to writing prompts till I have enough for a book, who needs ai when I can coast off of free labour, then again I'm not sure I could be a judge on what makes a good story
K-Pop Demon Hunters was like that. Nobody but Netflix believed in it, and that's why there was barely any merchandise for its first Christmas. Companies would not get on board. Now stores are covered with stuff.
I think this post just ignores a lot of things out there.
The book Jurassic Park was released in 1990, and the film released in 1993. Since then we've had a handful of films and other spin-offs, all within the last 50 years.
The book The Hunger Games was released in 2008, and the film released in 2012. Since then we've had a handful of films and I would bet many more to come.
What about the Pokemon media franchise? Originally released in 1996 and is one of the largest franchises with video games, TV shows, movies and everything else.
The same level as Marvel is such a tricky question.
While Marvel comics have been around and popular for way more than 50 years, they've only been popular as comics.
Look at Marvel as a popular IP when Pokemon released, their most successful product is probably the 70s Incredible Hulk TV series. In fact the company was doing so poorly is went through bankruptcy.
Selling the rights of their major properties to Fox and Sony, the late 90s and early 2000s give us Blade, X-Men and our first Spider-Man film. That's when Marvel really starts to pick up.
But of course those really ultimately fizzled out. Sure the Fox X-Men were huge. The Sony Spider-Man was huge (more the Sam Raimi films). But those are similar comparisons to the Jurassic Park and Hunger Games franchises.
But the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Kicked off in 2008 as an idea, but really given the push once Disney aquired Marvel. Push heavily on that for the last 20ish years. Now that's THE Marvel powerhouse we're talking about.
So sure, Marvel has been around for 50+ years, but the level of Marvel that makes it what it is, that's just the last 20 years.
Read more books instead of making one franchise your personality!
Your personality is so much an amalgamation of the last 100 long form media you've consumed. Make good choices, an English teacher that actually cared once told me books are important for what they make you think, not what they say. I still reread some of my old series like I'm visiting friends and refreshing core memories.
We choose who we are to a degree, are you a wizard cop that upholds the status quo (including slavery and racism) or a rebel with friends everywhere? Is winter coming or are you coming to the hanging tree?
What ideas and ideals have you internalized intentionally or unintentionally? How do you think the world works or who we're supposed to be been influenced by the movies you've seen, the news you read and watch?
See you later Space Cowboy, You're gonna carry that weight.
A lot of these replies show how confident people are in being out of touch. Out here acting like nothing good is getting made while only paying attention to the big franchise flicks with big advertising budget lol
It's like saying they don't make good music anymore when you only listen to top 40 radio on your 15-minute commute.
To answer the question in the OP: Yeah man, no duh. Things aren't popular forever and something always replaced it. There's dozens of franchiseable IPs out there right now.
Game of Thrones basically already fits. The main book series might not finish, and the main TV show disappointed people, but the world GRRM built is spawning all sorts of spinoff stories. Who's to say what happens after he eventually dies and loses control over the franchise?
I don't think so. Because nobody can get the funding for anything original anymore. Its all cobtroles by business men and everyone wants as much profit as possible. Also one of the reasons everything is so bland and pg 13.
I'd like to counter with the example of Terminator, the original one was done almost entirely via guerilla filming and had a shoestring budget, seriously they made money on the nightclub scene because people just kinda started to show up to their illegal set since guerilla nightclubs were also a thing at the time. All it would take for a similar success is someone just kinda getting lucky and getting popular through word of mouth.
Hell even Star Wars had a fuck all budget initially and Lucas was 100 percent ready to just do a new hope and then switch over to books and comics, then it turned into a massive cultural success.
Apparently Lucas put it in the contract that he had the rights to any sequels and the studio was okay with that clause because they didn't expect it to be successful enough to have sequels
If memory serves right he renegotiated at some point during filming to more or less retain all rights cause the studio thought it was going to be a flop, he even got the merchandise sales. I imagine those executives were on suicide watch pretty damned quick. Given how even during this lackluster Disney era Star Wars still generates an absurd amount of money through merchandise alone I suspect that has to be one of the biggest fuck ups in film rights period.
For an of-the-moment example, look at The Backrooms. Started as a series of YouTube videos some kid put together, now it’s a successful theatrical release with a sequel in development.
It’s not this generation’s Star Wars and as a horror property it doesn’t really have that potential, but to act like it’s impossible now is blowing things out of proportion.
It actually started out as weird photos on 4chan long before it got to YouTube, it's a lot like SCP in that it's a type of folk horror project. It grew out of the early liminal space art scene which has been going on and off since the 90s at least but hadn't reached maturity until around when the Backrooms popped up, though everything from Silent Hill to Kubricks The Shing have played around with elements that would merge into the movement.
Also you'd be surprised how often horror breaks into the mainstream, just to go back to the Terminator franchise T1 is explicitly a tension building thriller which is argue is a type of horror.
Also just a bit of bitching but why do people think that the Terminator timeline is a closed loop? It's stated as early as T2 that Judgement Day was delayed meaning that the Terminator timeline is either an unstable loop or a simple branching timeline, hell John may not have even existed until the first instance of time travel it couldve been Sarah leading the resistance and sent Kyle back and accidentally created John. Aight Terminator bitching over with.
This one would be cool, especially because no entity can claim ownership of the IP. I'd love to see how people adapt to the idea of a "non-franchise" where you pay attention to the continuity and works of a specific creator, but not because the franchise itself has any official continuity.
This is already true of things like Sherlock Holmes and Dracula, but I can't think of a recent fictional world where, from the get-go, there was no official canon.
I'm unrealistically hoping the new SCP V/H/S movie establishes precedent for that. Explicitly not allowing corps to lock down derivative works needs to be a thing.
Are we talking about the same guy? The general view on Brandon Sanderson is that he's not an extremely gifted technical writer. He's commonly said to have some of the most basic prose. Like you can like his World building and all that but I mean the writing itself is just about a step above pedestrian really. I don't think that's a contentious Topic at all.
Nah man. I don't even think hardcore fans are like that. Hell I got like a dozen of his books on my shelf right now and I think his dialogue is downright cringey. Dude is a cookie cutter writer. I've been on his fan forums I've watched his YouTube videos, I never seen nothing like that.
If you've encountered that kind of person that's not your normal hardcore fan. You've encountered some like hyper psychotic Ultra Fringe group of people. Utterly minute.
As far as I understand dude just writes books quickly. I must have missed the groupies. That said I'm sure I'll happen across reading one of his books eventually because I know some are in the genres is enjoy. I remember enjoying Peter V Brett, Karen Miller, and Brent Weeks years back.. and his name seems to fall into those type of schtick
That shit is happening on a daily basis. But with risk-averse, money-hungry corporations in control of studios and distributors, none of it will ever see the light of a theatre projector
... And then netflix will cancel it when it takes some time to become popular and instead produce more reality competitions edited to maximize drama at the cost of a coherent understanding of how the competition is going. And even for action shots, it's like they are editing to show off how many angles they are shooting rather than selecting the best shots to show out of all the angles they have.
The super hero movies are to me what the westerns were to my grandfather and great uncles. I now understand what it is like to have something you love be mediocre and why you'd be excited to get something new that was great.
Slops are a great hope, since they can prove a concept with a low budget ; and budget is usually that creators miss the most.
Slops can be made without the validation of some majors, and even if they don't match the market. So without being retouched by marketing people into becoming a tasteless thing.
That doesn't prevent slops to be mostly shit, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some new great things come from them...
What I want to see is,
A Long Earth TV series, not necessarily based on the book I just think it's an interesting universe.
The Bobbyverse books made into movies.
More of Garrick, he can be doing literally anything, I just want more of him.
And yet more Star Wars stuff, but KOTOR era.
Given what a shitshow Lord Miller made of Project Hail Mary, I am not holding out much hope for Bobiverse. I must merely content myself with the hope that, eventually, The Infinite Extent will be released in some way where I don't have to support fucking Amazon to read it.
Can you imagine how awful it's going to be to watch them try to explain the light-speed lag between events in different systems before SCUT? They might just take away SCUT's invention and put it in Bob's original Heaven-1 design, so that they don't have to deal with all of the relativistic time effects.
I think Project Hail Mary was pretty good. Should it have been an hour longer? Absolutely, but what was in the movie was good. It did fine explaining things without the stuff it skipped.
In the movie version of PHM, things just... happen. There's no explanation for why they happen, and the entire point of the book is the process by which such mysteries are solved. It is a book about piecing together truth from first principles. Every single tension and catharsis in that book comes from using what little information grace and rocky can glean with their limited tools to divine the truth, either about grace's own journey leading up to the launch, or about the problem of the petrova line, or about stopping the taumoeba, or even the last question of how grace can survive on a planet where the entire biosphere is based on mercury and cadmium. The movie neatly severs literally every single mystery by just having the characters divine the answers, apropos of nothing, by simple guesswork. Little evidence, no reasoning, and it just works, and we are expected to clap, because they saved the day. No. It did not "do fine" with "explaining" things.
I agree! And the entire film felt like it had annoying background music in a lame "80's straight to VHS" movie kinda way. Or a mediocre montage of what could've been a fine movie. I think this a choice undercuts moments of work between the two of them that could've been used for the tension of figuring things out.
Then again I felt the same way about Fantastic Four: First Steps.
I'm sorry, your complaint is that the book's crew module had a touchscreen control system? Given how little the actual ship's systems are even touched on in the movie (let alone how little they matter, compared to those in the book), that's a bit rich. As far as astrophage being a deus-ex-machina, it is ABSOLUTELY turned into an unmitigated deus ex machina in the movie. Instead of any detail, we get several worthless minutes of Jessica Chastain singing karaoke, because that's what we were all waiting for. In the book, the precise mechanisms and rules by which astrophage operates are explored, in excruciating detail, so that the actual solution comes logically from the problem, and all of the further problems follow from secondary-school-level scientific principles. Is it convenient? Certainly, but it earns the convenience by actually using it to explain not only how the astrophage is able to do what it does with scientific reasoning, but also neatly explains how that ties into the possibility of panspermia, and has enough detail in how it functions that the only part that isn't fully and scientifically explained without any hand-waving is how the astrophage can allow the radiation through its phospholipid bilayer to get to whatever specialised organelle manages the mass-energy conversion (and, of course, the precise method of that conversion, which you would not expect any sci-fi writer to explain).
It seems you might be the type of person who complains that Tau Zero didn't give you a working schematic of an Alcubierre Drive, and thus it is "simultaneously the source and solution to all of the crew's problems"
Do you complain that Heaven's River fails to describe the chemical structure of the ceramic used to construct a million interlocking bishop rings? Because, surely, such inconsistencies, especially in other aspects of the Bobiverse such as "subspace", are likely to make you judderingly irate! I shudder to think what you would think of a movie set in the Bobiverse, especially one made by a production company that removes all scientific explanation in favour of handwaving and big CGI set pieces that aren't in the original and serve no narrative purpose. Oh wait, that was my point, wasn't it?
I only read the book because of the movie. I like both, they both work to the strengths of their own mediums. And I'm sure a lot more people read and appreciate the book because the movie exists.
It's possible to have criticisms of the thing you enjoy. I also liked Bobiverse, even though bob is a boring self-insert protagonist, I appreciate that he mostly exists as a means to get from idea to idea.
Wholeheartedly agree that Bob is self-insert, and has precious few character flaws for the first several books aside from his general tendency to live vicariously through the other life forms he comes across (notably his "family" outburst with the deltans), and it isn't clear just how much his attitudes are character flaws until the fifth book, when he actually has to start facing the consequences of his own choices, in his own reflections through replicative drift and the Skippy debacle.
It's now up to six, though the sixth is currently audible-only. The fourth is, in my opinion, my favourite, and the fifth starts to explore the consequences of replicative drift and the realities of being truly immortal for a human mind.
I'm happy to see more movies like Dust Bunny, Hail Mary, and Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't die.
But, I also like TV shows better, Dark Matter, The Gentlemen, Lucky, etc. Because, they go longer and have time to dive into the details. Movies seem rushed and truncated to me after watching a series of eight or ten episodes now.
I don't want another huge franchise, I just want somewhat original stories NOT based in established universes. It's better if they don't go on for 10 sequels spaced years apart. That format is better suited to TV, where we get a whole season across a few weeks, one or two seasons then it's done, and we get something fresh.
Young people don't go to movies as much as older people used to. They don't care for "boomer media", they want games, interaction. We're in the middle of a big upheaval in entertainment, it will be interesting to see what comes of this. I think the next big thing won't be another big franchise, but some sort of AR, multi-participant interactive media. Not Fortnight, or Minecraft, etc. Something more approachable for the masses and more short-term, with a conclusion.
Because, they go longer and have time to dive into the details. Movies seem rushed and truncated to me after watching a series of eight or ten episodes now.
OTOH, a lot of TV shows spend too much time on filler content in an attempt to both increase runtime but also build anticipation. Only to have the resolution at the end of the season rushed with zero room for the emotional outcome to expand and relax. Which gives it an unsatisfying feeling.
Then, movies (that are done well) make efficient use of their time budget to tell the story and not have multiple hours of empty filler content to pad out the runtime.
A common issue is early super hero movies was the constant re-introduction of various characters, instead of just telling the story. Which resulted in half the movie re-explaining who these various people are and then only half to tell the actual story.
Both TV and movies have their place, it just depends on the material how well it fits.
For example, I don't think Lord of the Rings would have worked as a TV show, and I don't think Wheel of Time would work as movies.
That being said, one of the things that killed WoT was the baffling decision to veer so far from the source material. The first season spent more than half the runtime on small minor things, or things that never even happened.
I want to see a popular movie franchise where nobody owns the ip and all the different studios contribute movies and shows, with little concern for continuity, I want anarchy
Mark my words: we haven't seen the end of "hit songs." Think of songs like "I Want It That Way." Or "Tiptoe Through the Tulips." "Smells Like Teen Spirit." "Despacito." There may be 2-3 other examples I'm omitting, but my point is I'm not talking local band shit. I'm predicting (hell, prophesying) another very popular song. Think millions of people listening to a song, loving it, talking about it, covering it. Hell maybe it'll even have a music video. I think we'll see another one in our lifetimes.
I dont think its even possible. Those franchises took off when the US was a monoculture. Not only would creating the conditions necessary for something new to become truly uniquitous be impossible within our lifetime, it would also be monstrous to do.
Marvel was not that big in mainstream culture before the MCU. So it's basically new. It was just very successful, there are other comics that never got that big but could.
the bext big IP to be owned by Disney and made into an addition at disneyland and disneyworld and epcott, and its only purpose was to sell skins on fortnite and other skinslop games and a monopoly board and a magic set and some FOMO toy collectible set. an ip which is just a vehicle for consumerism and individualism.
this is me being excited: yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i cant wait to consume all of the content!!
but seriously the next big IP revolution is already here and its predecessor is the entire SCP wiki. And no corporation can own it. Thank fucking god. Hopefully people keep making art as CC BY SA. You can make movies with it too: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glnc/scp-gallionic
It would be nice. I'm working on a project to revitalise what I feel has been lacking, in terms of British cinema, however I'm in over my head sometimes. It is a nice thought, to create something iconic like the media of yesteryear, and hopefully more people have this in mind (than the regurgitated same old films rehashed every year).
Depends if you are talking about the novels or the TV series (or though the former is still considerably newer than Star Wars). The TV series was very influential on modern TV and spawned a whole generation of "Game of Thones-like" gritty and violent historical dramas. It also popularised the trope of no character being safe from a violent twist.
Well I'm definitely talking about the novels cuz you don't publish a TV series. But what either one has to do with being newer than Star Wars I'm not sure. That's not the point of this post y'all know that right?
It's exactly the point. "A new Star Wars or Marvel within our lifetime" was the prediction, and we're arguing that one such example has already existed. Unless you are a child and weren't alive/conscious and therefore don't consider it within your lifetime?
Exactly how are you reading that wrong? A new Star Wars or Marvel. A new massive universe. As the next sentence you didn't quote says , something new and original not based on existing properties. Not specifically those two things. They're just examples. This is basic reading comprehension.
Oh buddy. In a discussion about basic reading comprehension you're confused because not everything's literally spelled out and you had to comprehend a message. I mean ouch.
I feel like the black company could be a popular movie or tv series, a low fantasy medieval setting where small magic can be a big deal and the stories are about a mercinary company that seems to be cursed to always be betrayed by their employer told from the perspective of the companies medic
The Walking Dead, Avatar(the Airbender kind), League of Legends, Assassin's Creed, A Song of Ice & Fire, Mass Effect, Pokemon, Legend of Zelda, all 30ish years old tops so modern and immensely popular.
Halo, Borderlands, Bioshock, Left 4 Dead, Dishonored, are all begging for a good remake or relaunch or new addition that would easily launch them to the front of done well.
Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Among Us, Souls-like games, Frozen, Squid Game, so many animes Jujutsu Kaisen, Dungeon Meshi, Naruto, Demon Slayer. The list goes on and on.
Funny thing is, original movies are being made constantly, but usually the good ones end up becoming franchises and, once it becomes a franchise, people then start using it to further complain about lack of original things
Or they wanna say it's a rehash of old stuff. It's just zombies, it's just sci-fi, it's just medieval fantasy.
Not realizing all of those and more were created like by the 1st century AD at the latest but likely soo far before that. The epic of Gilgamesh and Egyptian mythology alone cover almost all bases. Toss in True History by Lucien of Samosata and that's basically every IP concept covered.
Yeah, the most annoying thing is when you point out recent or upcoming original movies and they say those are just ripoffs of other movies. They broaden their criteria of original to mean it can't even superficially resemble anything that already exists. That's almost literally impossible
Image Comics will be sometime soon. Youngblood, Spawn, they're all so amazing, I like them all so much more than marvel characters and I'm a big marvel fan. They tried spawn back in the day but I think they botched the movie pretty hard and the HBO animated series just didn't do the og content justice.
Edit: Also, DRAGONLANCE by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Can't believe Amazon picked up Wheel of Time instead of Dragonlance. For those of you unfamiliar with the series, it's a high fantasy classic dungeon and dragons story. Some call it "The DnD bible". There's a core 6 books and then 190 additional novels - I remember going into book stores and there being an entire wall of these guys. With such a huge cult following I really can't understand why this hasn't been picked up.
Only mostly. Obviously there are a shitton of productions studios prioritizing profit over all else, so they will always gravitate toward "safe" options like reboots and sequels and ripoffs.
But then occasionally you get a movie like Obsession, which was made for less than $1 million, and is actually reasonably unique. Or Flow, which was made for €3.5 million using open source graphics software, and is also unique.
Just because Hollywood mostly runs on regurgitated slop, doesn't mean there aren't successful movies which are more art than commercial.
For anyone wanting to get into screenwriting and filmmaking, this is this is the key. An excellent story made cheaply is the way to get new IP to market. Hollywood is much more willing to take a risk when it doesn't cost them much.
Does it occur to anyone that seeking to replace juvenile media with more but slightly different juvenile media means that you confess you appreciate juvenile media rather than preferring media that capable of transforming ourselves into better versions of ourselves?
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Hot take: thing that has happened organically since the dawn of entertainment will continue to happen organically
Except I feel like finding funds was a bit easier then, and it creates an artificial barrier that obstructs things that should happen organically
You think that's new?
I think, as the gap between people with lots of money and ordinary people grows bigger, things get more extreme. It was complicated to publish something in Gutenberg's time, it was complicated in 19th century, and it is complicated now, but that are very different kinds of complicated. I would guess, that there was an optimal time with least friction, and I think we're past that time.
Of course, I never tried that or researched, maybe the internet gives reach that is so wide that if something gets popular it will be noticed and get funding
Harry Potter is the one that comes to mind. Also Game of Thrones if you’d like. Both really blew up, have spin offs and staying power. Harry Potter has toys, video games, and amusement parks.
Don't know why you're downvoted. This is exactly where my mind went too. Nobody said they had to be good, just new.
I never downvote if somebody is adding to the conversation, but I suspect people start to act shitty because JK Rowling raises their hackles.
Because those aren't new?
They're newer than Star Wars.
That's not really the point though. The post isn't about something new since Star Wars. The idea is something new with a similar scope and scale of Star Wars. They're not using that as an example of the last thing that was made.
If you think Harry Potter doesn't have the scale of Star Wars then you're crazy. As proof of this, Universal built their Harry Potter lands, and Disney tried to compete with their Star Wars land. They're pretty equal in scale. (Well, unless you mean the scale of their universe, but that's silly.)
You've misunderstood their comment.
Did I? The OP is obviously discussing the market share, or culture share. HP obviously is similar to SW. If they meant the number of other pieces of media then sure, SW is bigger, but not for the same point in time. HP is much larger for how old it is.
If I'm still misunderstanding, would you care to explain, rather than just saying it's misunderstanding it?
for one, harry potter is older than MCU
It's not older than Marvel. Yeah, it's older than the current thing, but they've been making Marvel movies my entire life. Spiderman is Marvel.
It says "in our lifetimes" though. HP is in pretty much all of our lifetimes. There are some people younger, but I don't think very many.
Well I absolutely do not think Harry Potter has the same scale as Star Wars. It's not nearly as well thought out or as extensive or is interconnected. It was written by a brain dead Turf who had had to retcon every single book because she couldn't keep her thoughts straight after when she wrote the next one.
However that was absolutely not the point I was making.
I don't think you're aware of how poorly written most of Star Wars is then.
Yes, the writer for HP sucks, and the books are poorly written, but that's not really relevant to this discussion. Just watch the sequels of Star Wars especially for how poorly written it is. None of this affects the original premise of the post. There are other things written significantly better that aren't as popular, but the OP wasn't talking about those.
If you want to argue that only the original series of SW matters, that has a tiny scale. It hardly explains anything and it just exists in a universe that isn't explained. The OP isn't talking about just the original trilogy.
Obviously there's more SW content though, but it's had a few decades head start. The point is the HP is a similar scale for the same time period (if anything, it's significantly larger).
1990s isn't new enough? Then how about Frozen? That started in the 2000s.
Okay this is beside the point because you're reading it wrong. But no Frozen does not count. In any way whatsoever. That is nowhere close to the scale and scope of what we're talking about.
The original post said a new “Star Wars” not and then not an IP from over 50 years ago. Not that the IP just came out this year or however you want to define “new”.
The very first Harry Potter book came out came out in 1997, which was almost 30 years ago. A Game Of Thrones came out in 1996, exactly 30 years ago. Both blew up and were massive cultural touchstones, not unlike how Star Wars is/was.
I'm not sure how you're missing this. Get off of Star Wars. That was just an example. Nothing about that post says there's been nothing new since Star Wars. Star Wars and Marvel were used as examples of huge culturally significant interconnected universes. Massive intellectual properties. That's the point of the post. They're saying there's going to be a new one of that scale sometime in the future. In no way are they saying nothing new has been created since Star Wars. If you read it that way you read it incorrectly.
literally true, but i think choosing only marvel and star wars as examples implies the questioner doesn’t think there was anything new between marvel and now
I mean I don't think it implies that at all. But I do agree the internet has a habit of reading things that way because the internet is psychotic. What's that old post about if you say you like pancakes someone's going to say oh so you hate waffles? Like that.
No shit Star Wars was an example of an IP that was a cultural touchstone. That’s the whole point of the post. That a massive IP would come out, but would have been original and created in the last 50 years (sorry Lord of the Rings).
And you can’t tell me that Harry Potter nor Game of Thrones haven’t reached a cultural significance. The post said nothing about interconnected universes, you should really get off that, since you seem to have inferred that from who knows where. If you say to a random person “Winter is coming” or “Voldemort” or hell, even “Potter” almost everyone is going to think of either IP. Those are examples of a cultural touchstone from the last 30 years.
You seem to be thinking they said nothing came out since Star Wars. That was absolutely 1,000% not what they're saying. They could have said Harry potter. They could have said game of thrones. Those are two other examples that would have made their point for them. They just chose star wars. I don't know how to say this any clearer. I don't understand what you're not getting.
Ok, let's start over, since you don't seem to be getting it. Stop getting hung up on Star Wars. No shit they chose Star Wars.
OP said an example of Massive IP, and put forth that there'll be a new, original one that will have been created within the last 50 years. With me so far?
Someone said they didn't know why I was being down voted. You said
The examples I gave fit the criteria of the statement: other examples of original IPs that were created after 1976 to become massive IPs. These IPs were just other examples of newer IPs. Still with me? The OP stated some criteria and there are already examples that fit that criteria. There will continue to be other examples that fit that criteria as time goes on, ad nausem.
So off the bat, your original comment on this thread and on other other threads seem off base. There will always be a new, original IP that blows up. That's a nothing burger. Naturally, culture will find something new to obsess about, something that resonates with people. Should my comment have just been to read the post and say, "Yes, how thought provoking! There could be someone who is starting to come up with ideas right now that will become a massive IP later. How deep!"? If that's your correct interpretation that I'm not "getting", no shit. That's nothing to discuss because it's so obvious.
Talking about other examples is a way to create conversation on this thread. People can debate if Pokemon, or Jurassic Park, or even the Simpsons fit the criteria. What other examples of IPs have come out after 1976 fit? Maybe these IPs don't at the moment, but they might blow up in the near future, not unlike how Snoopy has really blown up more recently.
Maybe Snoopy will be the next big thing, could you imagine? Some cultural touchstone that has come back after it's heyday. That's not unlike Marvel, where they were big for a while, faced bankruptcy, and then became huge in the last 10 years. That's more interesting, and worth discussing than to just post "Oh my god, how true." That's something that you don't seem to get.
To extend the "that will never work" part, for "Game of Thrones" author George R R Martin once said,
And season 8 proved him right
Seasons 1-7 proved him wrong.
Season 8 proved everyone involved was done with it.
....what? S8 wasn't even a book. The entirety of the books were filmed, thus proving him wrong.
Jurassic Park also landed somewhere in there. Lord of the Rings is hard to say where it exists because the book to movie gap
it helps they are pretty much legacy franchises that had an original story. MCU is not that, disney tries too hard to tie them all into a smorgasbord shows. i think the pre-disney marvel shows were much better(the ones that were cancelled by disney because of the merger).
That's exactly the one I was thinking of. It was extremely influential on TV and pop culture, in the same way that Star Wars was for film.
I was about to bring up those as well. The next closest that didn't really hit the "spin-off" level was the hunger games, but definately could.
There are several new things in the same universe, so I wouldn't say there aren't spin-offs. They're still going. I would say this is one of the many correct answers for this.
This isn't a hot take. It's about as "predictive" as saying eventually there will be another sports star or viral website. The question is when it will happen, not if.
And whoever figures out the how stands to make a truckload of money
Since you mentioned sports. I wonder if there will ever be a new sport that rises to the level of football, etc. in our lifetimes? That seems far less likely.
Start watching ESPN8: The Ocho and see which sports are on the verge of breaking containment to the mainstream.
Banana Ball is the next new sport. It might not beat the NFL in my lifetime, but I could see it shaking up the big 4.
I wonder what the newest popular sport is
I hear about pickle ball all the time now, never did before
"A popular media franchise will start sometime in the next 60 years" is a 0 Kelvin take.
"Hot take, in the next 60-70 years, someone will create some original media"
Yes, that's one hot take indeed...
Please. If you have stories you want to tell then tell them. We are trapped in a cage formed of Is and Ps.
"I'll stop making them when you stop watching them."
-The movie industry
The last thing I watched in theaters was a reshowing of the Fellowship of the Ring. Everything else is on a buddy's Plex server. Fuck the movies I ain't paying 50 dollars for sticky floors and shitty snacks. I can do both of those at home.
I’m with you. I feel a bit bad because my husband loves (or loved) the experience of going to the movies, whereas I couldn’t care less and would prefer my couch. But we used to go because he enjoyed it, and it was nice to avoid spoilers for big things. Nowadays between having kids and the overall experience of movie-going having completely gone down the shitter and more expensive to boot, we don’t go anymore. And I don’t really miss it. He goes out sometimes with his buddies to see a movie, and I’ll tell him if there’s something he has to wait to see with me (Dune is the only thing recently).
I keep thinking some movie will come along that will make me want to go again. The only one that comes to mind is Spaceballs 2, because I expect the audience to be completely into it. But, even then, I'll probably just wait.
Do you live in the sticks or what? Tickets are $15 and every theater I've been to since COVID has been clean.
You're right. They're including multiple tickets, snacks, etc., methinks. But, also, $15 is too high for the experience offered, IMO.
I'm not sure I agree, to get that same experience at home I'd need a 6-figure purpose-built room with a bluray copy of each movie so $15 once a month isn't too bad.
Most people are happy enough streaming low bitrates on their 55" Walmart TV with a $100 soundbar so it's definitely not an experience for everyone but I'd consider $10/hour is pretty good rate. I value home entertainment closer to $1/hour
Its not just the price of the theater. The cost of living and adulthood responsibilities also make it hard to get to the movies in the first place. I specifically need to get a baby sitter unless my wife or I are staying home too. Its just not in the cards anymore.
So you moan about lack of originality, but don't support independent film, either? You're just part of the problem.
Yes, me pointing out the problem of them not participating is exactly the same as this. You are very intelligent.
Haskins and AMC aren't showing indie films all day. The one film buff theater in my town I know of that plays off the wall shit is a dine in, has a 70mm projector, and is expensive as fuck. I consistently have an empty bank account. I am not going to the movies.
I mean, it's a valid point.
"I want [thing]."
"You need to support [thing] for it to happen."
"Why are you even talking? Go away."
🙄
It was more like "Wow! You watch your shit on Plex!?" (I literally use Plex to watch old trek and Jujutsu Kaizen) "films are gonna die because YOU aren't out at indie film festivals!" Which doesnt make much sense. Thats hardly much to go off of when a lot of indie films are shown at specific theaters like the single one in my town thats hosts 70mm film. Its also a dine in and expensive. So no. I can't do that much to support indie film in my own life. I'm broke.
Probably why I didn't say that then, huh? Neither did I suggest you go beyond your fiscal means. But if new ideas in media is something you want, which you said, then the only way that happens is with people making a point to support it how they can outside the mainstream. You sticking solely to your home media server does nothing of use for the people making the content you're demanding.
I took my kid and his friend to see Deadpool, the first one. That was my last time for me.
They could offer a better experience, something that would draw me, but they're not even close to matching what I have at home for now. And, maybe they couldn't do it profitably anymore, I don't know.
Twenty years from now, movie theaters will only be left in big cities, that have enough people nearby to support them. But, even then, they'll need to change what they do.
I have some stuff rattling around but I don't think people would interested in what boils down to wikipedia articles, you can't make me write about character grown or arcs
Team up with someone who just wants to write characters and you two together will topple the sky.
just keep posting to writing prompts till I have enough for a book, who needs ai when I can coast off of free labour, then again I'm not sure I could be a judge on what makes a good story
K-Pop Demon Hunters was like that. Nobody but Netflix believed in it, and that's why there was barely any merchandise for its first Christmas. Companies would not get on board. Now stores are covered with stuff.
That will likely grow into a huge franchise and it started last year
The Skibidi Toilet Cinematic Universe. 87 movies. Each more popular than the last.
C'mon, how did you miss that so badly lmao
My autistic son has done this with Doodland. It's an imaginary country in the eastern block with their own culture.
The #1music artist the last 7 years is Dooda Lipa.
They love horror movies in Doodland too.
Man I'm here for the Doodmatic Universe
I think this post just ignores a lot of things out there.
The book Jurassic Park was released in 1990, and the film released in 1993. Since then we've had a handful of films and other spin-offs, all within the last 50 years.
The book The Hunger Games was released in 2008, and the film released in 2012. Since then we've had a handful of films and I would bet many more to come.
What about the Pokemon media franchise? Originally released in 1996 and is one of the largest franchises with video games, TV shows, movies and everything else.
If we count tv franchises, Game of Thrones and The Handmaid's Tale are pretty big ones based on pretty recent books
Nah, of those you list I'd say only Pokemon hits the same level.
There are a lot of popular IPs, but at the same level of Star Wars and Marvel?
I'm not even sure if it's still possible. The availability of everything over the internet divided people lot more over what they like.
The same level as Marvel is such a tricky question.
While Marvel comics have been around and popular for way more than 50 years, they've only been popular as comics.
Look at Marvel as a popular IP when Pokemon released, their most successful product is probably the 70s Incredible Hulk TV series. In fact the company was doing so poorly is went through bankruptcy.
Selling the rights of their major properties to Fox and Sony, the late 90s and early 2000s give us Blade, X-Men and our first Spider-Man film. That's when Marvel really starts to pick up.
But of course those really ultimately fizzled out. Sure the Fox X-Men were huge. The Sony Spider-Man was huge (more the Sam Raimi films). But those are similar comparisons to the Jurassic Park and Hunger Games franchises.
But the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Kicked off in 2008 as an idea, but really given the push once Disney aquired Marvel. Push heavily on that for the last 20ish years. Now that's THE Marvel powerhouse we're talking about.
So sure, Marvel has been around for 50+ years, but the level of Marvel that makes it what it is, that's just the last 20 years.
I thought Skylanders, personally
Cmon guys, Hazbin Hotel has Ike 3 seasons out
Read more books instead of making one franchise your personality!
Your personality is so much an amalgamation of the last 100 long form media you've consumed. Make good choices, an English teacher that actually cared once told me books are important for what they make you think, not what they say. I still reread some of my old series like I'm visiting friends and refreshing core memories.
We choose who we are to a degree, are you a wizard cop that upholds the status quo (including slavery and racism) or a rebel with friends everywhere? Is winter coming or are you coming to the hanging tree?
What ideas and ideals have you internalized intentionally or unintentionally? How do you think the world works or who we're supposed to be been influenced by the movies you've seen, the news you read and watch?
See you later Space Cowboy, You're gonna carry that weight.
A lot of these replies show how confident people are in being out of touch. Out here acting like nothing good is getting made while only paying attention to the big franchise flicks with big advertising budget lol
It's like saying they don't make good music anymore when you only listen to top 40 radio on your 15-minute commute.
To answer the question in the OP: Yeah man, no duh. Things aren't popular forever and something always replaced it. There's dozens of franchiseable IPs out there right now.
IP that is newer than 50-60 years old? Unpossible!
disney relies to heavily on MCU and star wars, instead of thier original movies
Disney also makes original movies nearly every year and makes sequels to recent original movies like Zootopia and Frozen
Game of Thrones basically already fits. The main book series might not finish, and the main TV show disappointed people, but the world GRRM built is spawning all sorts of spinoff stories. Who's to say what happens after he eventually dies and loses control over the franchise?
I don't think so. Because nobody can get the funding for anything original anymore. Its all cobtroles by business men and everyone wants as much profit as possible. Also one of the reasons everything is so bland and pg 13.
I'd like to counter with the example of Terminator, the original one was done almost entirely via guerilla filming and had a shoestring budget, seriously they made money on the nightclub scene because people just kinda started to show up to their illegal set since guerilla nightclubs were also a thing at the time. All it would take for a similar success is someone just kinda getting lucky and getting popular through word of mouth.
Hell even Star Wars had a fuck all budget initially and Lucas was 100 percent ready to just do a new hope and then switch over to books and comics, then it turned into a massive cultural success.
Apparently Lucas put it in the contract that he had the rights to any sequels and the studio was okay with that clause because they didn't expect it to be successful enough to have sequels
If memory serves right he renegotiated at some point during filming to more or less retain all rights cause the studio thought it was going to be a flop, he even got the merchandise sales. I imagine those executives were on suicide watch pretty damned quick. Given how even during this lackluster Disney era Star Wars still generates an absurd amount of money through merchandise alone I suspect that has to be one of the biggest fuck ups in film rights period.
For an of-the-moment example, look at The Backrooms. Started as a series of YouTube videos some kid put together, now it’s a successful theatrical release with a sequel in development.
It’s not this generation’s Star Wars and as a horror property it doesn’t really have that potential, but to act like it’s impossible now is blowing things out of proportion.
It actually started out as weird photos on 4chan long before it got to YouTube, it's a lot like SCP in that it's a type of folk horror project. It grew out of the early liminal space art scene which has been going on and off since the 90s at least but hadn't reached maturity until around when the Backrooms popped up, though everything from Silent Hill to Kubricks The Shing have played around with elements that would merge into the movement.
Also you'd be surprised how often horror breaks into the mainstream, just to go back to the Terminator franchise T1 is explicitly a tension building thriller which is argue is a type of horror.
Also just a bit of bitching but why do people think that the Terminator timeline is a closed loop? It's stated as early as T2 that Judgement Day was delayed meaning that the Terminator timeline is either an unstable loop or a simple branching timeline, hell John may not have even existed until the first instance of time travel it couldve been Sarah leading the resistance and sent Kyle back and accidentally created John. Aight Terminator bitching over with.
I want it to be Backrooms or SCP.
This one would be cool, especially because no entity can claim ownership of the IP. I'd love to see how people adapt to the idea of a "non-franchise" where you pay attention to the continuity and works of a specific creator, but not because the franchise itself has any official continuity.
This is already true of things like Sherlock Holmes and Dracula, but I can't think of a recent fictional world where, from the get-go, there was no official canon.
I'm unrealistically hoping the new SCP V/H/S movie establishes precedent for that. Explicitly not allowing corps to lock down derivative works needs to be a thing.
That would be interesting
Harry Potter? Star Trek? Twilight? Hunger Games? Die Hard? Mission: Impossible? Toy Story?
I hope it will be based on Brandon Sanderson’s Cosmere.
The mormons have enough money.
I can't possibly think of a more pretentious series happening
the fans may be insufferable but neither the author nor the work itself holds itself in as high a regard
personally I'm excited to see movie and tv adaptations of the cosmere. there's a lot of potential.
What's wrong with the fans? I've heard he has some books worth reading but never had someone demanding I read them or something
the fans aren't insufferable as a rule, but any fanbase large enough will have a loud minority that is insufferable, and sanderson has a large fanbase
I bet had Tolkien write TLotR in 2000, well into the information age, we would see exactly the same thing
excellent world building, but plots that are fine
people really like good world building. like, really really like it.
That's because they probably think you're not intelligent enough to understand the genius
Are we talking about the same guy? The general view on Brandon Sanderson is that he's not an extremely gifted technical writer. He's commonly said to have some of the most basic prose. Like you can like his World building and all that but I mean the writing itself is just about a step above pedestrian really. I don't think that's a contentious Topic at all.
I was referring to the hardcore fans
Nah man. I don't even think hardcore fans are like that. Hell I got like a dozen of his books on my shelf right now and I think his dialogue is downright cringey. Dude is a cookie cutter writer. I've been on his fan forums I've watched his YouTube videos, I never seen nothing like that.
If you've encountered that kind of person that's not your normal hardcore fan. You've encountered some like hyper psychotic Ultra Fringe group of people. Utterly minute.
As far as I understand dude just writes books quickly. I must have missed the groupies. That said I'm sure I'll happen across reading one of his books eventually because I know some are in the genres is enjoy. I remember enjoying Peter V Brett, Karen Miller, and Brent Weeks years back.. and his name seems to fall into those type of schtick
Lol I have a few friends that hold this guy so high. I've read a few books of his but it wasn't my thing. They insisted I obviously didn't get it.
That shit is happening on a daily basis. But with risk-averse, money-hungry corporations in control of studios and distributors, none of it will ever see the light of a theatre projector
Dungeon Crawler Carl tv series kinda has that potential, but it's being produced by Peacock so probably not.
But Seth McFarlane.
Pokemon? Dragon Ball? Both appeared during my lifetime and are loved by my, my son, and his sons.
There was this greek guy named Odysseus. Its a pretty old story but it might make a good movie or two, or ten, or twenty, or more haha
33 Movies based on The Odyssey (and Adaptions) https://greekgodsparadise.com/2020/02/29/33-movies-based-on-the-odyssey-and-adaptions/
Uhhhh have you guys missed the Avatar (the last airbender) franchise?!?
... And then netflix will cancel it when it takes some time to become popular and instead produce more reality competitions edited to maximize drama at the cost of a coherent understanding of how the competition is going. And even for action shots, it's like they are editing to show off how many angles they are shooting rather than selecting the best shots to show out of all the angles they have.
Here's my thoughts on this:
Okay..?
This is why I always come to you when im needing some meh advice.
Chances are it already exists. Go looking.
The super hero movies are to me what the westerns were to my grandfather and great uncles. I now understand what it is like to have something you love be mediocre and why you'd be excited to get something new that was great.
not based of the current slop, universe where one show or movie is just promoting the next movie or show.
Slops are a great hope, since they can prove a concept with a low budget ; and budget is usually that creators miss the most.
Slops can be made without the validation of some majors, and even if they don't match the market. So without being retouched by marketing people into becoming a tasteless thing.
That doesn't prevent slops to be mostly shit, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some new great things come from them...
What I want to see is,
A Long Earth TV series, not necessarily based on the book I just think it's an interesting universe.
The Bobbyverse books made into movies.
More of Garrick, he can be doing literally anything, I just want more of him.
And yet more Star Wars stuff, but KOTOR era.
Given what a shitshow Lord Miller made of Project Hail Mary, I am not holding out much hope for Bobiverse. I must merely content myself with the hope that, eventually, The Infinite Extent will be released in some way where I don't have to support fucking Amazon to read it.
Can you imagine how awful it's going to be to watch them try to explain the light-speed lag between events in different systems before SCUT? They might just take away SCUT's invention and put it in Bob's original Heaven-1 design, so that they don't have to deal with all of the relativistic time effects.
I think Project Hail Mary was pretty good. Should it have been an hour longer? Absolutely, but what was in the movie was good. It did fine explaining things without the stuff it skipped.
In the movie version of PHM, things just... happen. There's no explanation for why they happen, and the entire point of the book is the process by which such mysteries are solved. It is a book about piecing together truth from first principles. Every single tension and catharsis in that book comes from using what little information grace and rocky can glean with their limited tools to divine the truth, either about grace's own journey leading up to the launch, or about the problem of the petrova line, or about stopping the taumoeba, or even the last question of how grace can survive on a planet where the entire biosphere is based on mercury and cadmium. The movie neatly severs literally every single mystery by just having the characters divine the answers, apropos of nothing, by simple guesswork. Little evidence, no reasoning, and it just works, and we are expected to clap, because they saved the day. No. It did not "do fine" with "explaining" things.
I agree! And the entire film felt like it had annoying background music in a lame "80's straight to VHS" movie kinda way. Or a mediocre montage of what could've been a fine movie. I think this a choice undercuts moments of work between the two of them that could've been used for the tension of figuring things out.
Then again I felt the same way about Fantastic Four: First Steps.
I literally only listen to soundtrack music,and I could not, if you offered me a billion dollars, pick out any part of the PHM soundtrack.
The starship in the movie was more realistic than the one in the book. You'd have to be an absolute moron to design a ship you fly with a touchscreen.
also
I'm sorry, your complaint is that the book's crew module had a touchscreen control system? Given how little the actual ship's systems are even touched on in the movie (let alone how little they matter, compared to those in the book), that's a bit rich. As far as astrophage being a deus-ex-machina, it is ABSOLUTELY turned into an unmitigated deus ex machina in the movie. Instead of any detail, we get several worthless minutes of Jessica Chastain singing karaoke, because that's what we were all waiting for. In the book, the precise mechanisms and rules by which astrophage operates are explored, in excruciating detail, so that the actual solution comes logically from the problem, and all of the further problems follow from secondary-school-level scientific principles. Is it convenient? Certainly, but it earns the convenience by actually using it to explain not only how the astrophage is able to do what it does with scientific reasoning, but also neatly explains how that ties into the possibility of panspermia, and has enough detail in how it functions that the only part that isn't fully and scientifically explained without any hand-waving is how the astrophage can allow the radiation through its phospholipid bilayer to get to whatever specialised organelle manages the mass-energy conversion (and, of course, the precise method of that conversion, which you would not expect any sci-fi writer to explain).
It seems you might be the type of person who complains that Tau Zero didn't give you a working schematic of an Alcubierre Drive, and thus it is "simultaneously the source and solution to all of the crew's problems"
Do you complain that Heaven's River fails to describe the chemical structure of the ceramic used to construct a million interlocking bishop rings? Because, surely, such inconsistencies, especially in other aspects of the Bobiverse such as "subspace", are likely to make you judderingly irate! I shudder to think what you would think of a movie set in the Bobiverse, especially one made by a production company that removes all scientific explanation in favour of handwaving and big CGI set pieces that aren't in the original and serve no narrative purpose. Oh wait, that was my point, wasn't it?
I only read the book because of the movie. I like both, they both work to the strengths of their own mediums. And I'm sure a lot more people read and appreciate the book because the movie exists.
It's possible to have criticisms of the thing you enjoy. I also liked Bobiverse, even though bob is a boring self-insert protagonist, I appreciate that he mostly exists as a means to get from idea to idea.
Wholeheartedly agree that Bob is self-insert, and has precious few character flaws for the first several books aside from his general tendency to live vicariously through the other life forms he comes across (notably his "family" outburst with the deltans), and it isn't clear just how much his attitudes are character flaws until the fifth book, when he actually has to start facing the consequences of his own choices, in his own reflections through replicative drift and the Skippy debacle.
oh shit the last time I read that series, he slammed a planet into a star to wipe out bugs, didn't realize there had been more published
It's now up to six, though the sixth is currently audible-only. The fourth is, in my opinion, my favourite, and the fifth starts to explore the consequences of replicative drift and the realities of being truly immortal for a human mind.
I'm happy to see more movies like Dust Bunny, Hail Mary, and Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't die.
But, I also like TV shows better, Dark Matter, The Gentlemen, Lucky, etc. Because, they go longer and have time to dive into the details. Movies seem rushed and truncated to me after watching a series of eight or ten episodes now.
I don't want another huge franchise, I just want somewhat original stories NOT based in established universes. It's better if they don't go on for 10 sequels spaced years apart. That format is better suited to TV, where we get a whole season across a few weeks, one or two seasons then it's done, and we get something fresh.
Young people don't go to movies as much as older people used to. They don't care for "boomer media", they want games, interaction. We're in the middle of a big upheaval in entertainment, it will be interesting to see what comes of this. I think the next big thing won't be another big franchise, but some sort of AR, multi-participant interactive media. Not Fortnight, or Minecraft, etc. Something more approachable for the masses and more short-term, with a conclusion.
OTOH, a lot of TV shows spend too much time on filler content in an attempt to both increase runtime but also build anticipation. Only to have the resolution at the end of the season rushed with zero room for the emotional outcome to expand and relax. Which gives it an unsatisfying feeling.
Then, movies (that are done well) make efficient use of their time budget to tell the story and not have multiple hours of empty filler content to pad out the runtime.
A common issue is early super hero movies was the constant re-introduction of various characters, instead of just telling the story. Which resulted in half the movie re-explaining who these various people are and then only half to tell the actual story.
Both TV and movies have their place, it just depends on the material how well it fits.
For example, I don't think Lord of the Rings would have worked as a TV show, and I don't think Wheel of Time would work as movies.
That being said, one of the things that killed WoT was the baffling decision to veer so far from the source material. The first season spent more than half the runtime on small minor things, or things that never even happened.
Which Dark Matter?
I hope that Star Wars and Indiana Jones crossover finally happens and I can see that scene where Short round marries an Ewok.
It is what George Lucas would have wanted.
I want to see a popular movie franchise where nobody owns the ip and all the different studios contribute movies and shows, with little concern for continuity, I want anarchy
Black Mirror: The Motion Picture
that's The Amityville Horror series lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_based_on_the_Amityville_haunting#Films
Now that would be cool
This is a given unless AI generated hell completely takes over entertainment
Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby
Mark my words: we haven't seen the end of "hit songs." Think of songs like "I Want It That Way." Or "Tiptoe Through the Tulips." "Smells Like Teen Spirit." "Despacito." There may be 2-3 other examples I'm omitting, but my point is I'm not talking local band shit. I'm predicting (hell, prophesying) another very popular song. Think millions of people listening to a song, loving it, talking about it, covering it. Hell maybe it'll even have a music video. I think we'll see another one in our lifetimes.
You sound insane with a take like that.
Another hit song? No fucking shot. Seek help.
I think they're making the point that what the original post is predicting is obvious
Yeah I was trying to take the joke further and I refuse to ruin a good joke with a "/s"
I think the next big thing will be from a country other than the Untied States
Elfquest
I love that series.
I dont think its even possible. Those franchises took off when the US was a monoculture. Not only would creating the conditions necessary for something new to become truly uniquitous be impossible within our lifetime, it would also be monstrous to do.
Marvel was not that big in mainstream culture before the MCU. So it's basically new. It was just very successful, there are other comics that never got that big but could.
Spider-Man has been pretty iconic since the 60s. My mom could easily recognize Spider-Man, but probably would struggle with Batman.
There were some blockbuster Batman movies in the 90s, hell there was the Adam West show going back to the 60s.
Christopher Nolan could do it.
He might be the only director with enough broad appeal to really build a new ubiquitous franchise.
🤞Please be Dungeon Crawler Carl. Oh God I hope they don't fuck this up 🤞
WE'VE BEEN BEGGING FOR IT, FOR FUCKS SAKE.
so probably, yeah.
Execs only want safe remakes
the bext big IP to be owned by Disney and made into an addition at disneyland and disneyworld and epcott, and its only purpose was to sell skins on fortnite and other skinslop games and a monopoly board and a magic set and some FOMO toy collectible set. an ip which is just a vehicle for consumerism and individualism.
this is me being excited: yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i cant wait to consume all of the content!!
but seriously the next big IP revolution is already here and its predecessor is the entire SCP wiki. And no corporation can own it. Thank fucking god. Hopefully people keep making art as CC BY SA. You can make movies with it too: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glnc/scp-gallionic
It would be nice. I'm working on a project to revitalise what I feel has been lacking, in terms of British cinema, however I'm in over my head sometimes. It is a nice thought, to create something iconic like the media of yesteryear, and hopefully more people have this in mind (than the regurgitated same old films rehashed every year).
Game of Thrones?
It's not really new is it? Was published in the 90s I believe.
Depends if you are talking about the novels or the TV series (or though the former is still considerably newer than Star Wars). The TV series was very influential on modern TV and spawned a whole generation of "Game of Thones-like" gritty and violent historical dramas. It also popularised the trope of no character being safe from a violent twist.
Well I'm definitely talking about the novels cuz you don't publish a TV series. But what either one has to do with being newer than Star Wars I'm not sure. That's not the point of this post y'all know that right?
It's exactly the point. "A new Star Wars or Marvel within our lifetime" was the prediction, and we're arguing that one such example has already existed. Unless you are a child and weren't alive/conscious and therefore don't consider it within your lifetime?
Exactly how are you reading that wrong? A new Star Wars or Marvel. A new massive universe. As the next sentence you didn't quote says , something new and original not based on existing properties. Not specifically those two things. They're just examples. This is basic reading comprehension.
Please screenshot the bit where it says "a new massive universe".
Oh buddy. In a discussion about basic reading comprehension you're confused because not everything's literally spelled out and you had to comprehend a message. I mean ouch.
Dream big, society! Great things are afoot. Maybe someone will release a good video game too!
Something completely original means that it can not be existing IP.
The movie industry became slop way before LLMs were useful.
Yeah, as long as you can make money off something people will try and cash in on low effort slop. No technology will change this.
This has already happened. The Walking Dead was a massive phenomenon. It just atrophied due to neglect.
I feel like the black company could be a popular movie or tv series, a low fantasy medieval setting where small magic can be a big deal and the stories are about a mercinary company that seems to be cursed to always be betrayed by their employer told from the perspective of the companies medic
Man reading comprehension in this thread is shockingly low.
Writing comprehension, too!
Thanks for the heads up, speech to text often screws me.
I was just poking fun ;)
You also wouldn't place a comma there
we didn't even started to mine all those Heavy Metal titles yet. Gimme PG Den!
Its gonna be me
I didn't even see star wars
It's actually both anti-fascism and anti-emperialism (the American flavor)!
It's the tl;dr of the tl;dr of Finnigans Wake. So just read that.
Hot take... you are right, and it will be made by AI 😒
Could be that it will be the only thing not made by AI and it will be turned down from most studios because it isn't.
Looks like I'm not watching it then.
Wish it walk all just die out. No one will ever rush new IP when this shit exists. It’s too risky.
thoughts: star wars is trash, marvel is shit. but those are mine, get your own thoughts
Skyward
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=itv98xRjvqI
I like the cut of your jib. I hope you end up being right.
Naw, it's not happening, New IPs are dead
The Walking Dead, Avatar(the Airbender kind), League of Legends, Assassin's Creed, A Song of Ice & Fire, Mass Effect, Pokemon, Legend of Zelda, all 30ish years old tops so modern and immensely popular.
Halo, Borderlands, Bioshock, Left 4 Dead, Dishonored, are all begging for a good remake or relaunch or new addition that would easily launch them to the front of done well.
Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Among Us, Souls-like games, Frozen, Squid Game, so many animes Jujutsu Kaisen, Dungeon Meshi, Naruto, Demon Slayer. The list goes on and on.
There's a fuck ton of new IPs
Funny thing is, original movies are being made constantly, but usually the good ones end up becoming franchises and, once it becomes a franchise, people then start using it to further complain about lack of original things
Or they wanna say it's a rehash of old stuff. It's just zombies, it's just sci-fi, it's just medieval fantasy.
Not realizing all of those and more were created like by the 1st century AD at the latest but likely soo far before that. The epic of Gilgamesh and Egyptian mythology alone cover almost all bases. Toss in True History by Lucien of Samosata and that's basically every IP concept covered.
Yeah, the most annoying thing is when you point out recent or upcoming original movies and they say those are just ripoffs of other movies. They broaden their criteria of original to mean it can't even superficially resemble anything that already exists. That's almost literally impossible
Image Comics will be sometime soon. Youngblood, Spawn, they're all so amazing, I like them all so much more than marvel characters and I'm a big marvel fan. They tried spawn back in the day but I think they botched the movie pretty hard and the HBO animated series just didn't do the og content justice.
Edit: Also, DRAGONLANCE by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Can't believe Amazon picked up Wheel of Time instead of Dragonlance. For those of you unfamiliar with the series, it's a high fantasy classic dungeon and dragons story. Some call it "The DnD bible". There's a core 6 books and then 190 additional novels - I remember going into book stores and there being an entire wall of these guys. With such a huge cult following I really can't understand why this hasn't been picked up.
I feel like VR/AR will suddenly get bunch of advancements and completely overtake chatbots as the actual "next big thing."
Titanic 2: Deep blue sea 4 will be the new saw x, marvel civil war, avatar movie where the aliens fight robots, and Godzilla vs space ghost combined
it won't happen because Hollywood runs on formulaic production.
Only mostly. Obviously there are a shitton of productions studios prioritizing profit over all else, so they will always gravitate toward "safe" options like reboots and sequels and ripoffs.
But then occasionally you get a movie like Obsession, which was made for less than $1 million, and is actually reasonably unique. Or Flow, which was made for €3.5 million using open source graphics software, and is also unique.
Just because Hollywood mostly runs on regurgitated slop, doesn't mean there aren't successful movies which are more art than commercial.
For anyone wanting to get into screenwriting and filmmaking, this is this is the key. An excellent story made cheaply is the way to get new IP to market. Hollywood is much more willing to take a risk when it doesn't cost them much.
My bet is on the Fnaf franchise. No way that they'll let it die anytime soon.
I thought that's already kind of flat?
Does it occur to anyone that seeking to replace juvenile media with more but slightly different juvenile media means that you confess you appreciate juvenile media rather than preferring media that capable of transforming ourselves into better versions of ourselves?
Is this comment being written by the better version of you? Because if so I have some thoughts.
Woof lmao. That had to hurt.
Ask me if watching the exact same story in a row thirty or forty times grows you and I’ll say now. Ask anyone.
I confess to liking juvenile media, your honor.
i do prefer media capable of transforming ourselves into better versions of ourselves, which is why i watched star wars and marvel