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programming.dev

Damn liberals always telling you what to do.

Conservatives just make it prohibitively expensive to do what you want to do.

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Just wait until they start policing what those on food stamps are putting in their grocery carts again. I swear that was almost an entire genre of "reporting" for them for a while there.

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lemmy.world

This administration is going to accidentally encourage a ton of earth friendly behavior. Won’t offset the evil being done, but it’s kind of funny.

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A huge win for animal rights and alternative energy!

There’s always a flaky crust beneath every shit pie.

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If fossil fuel prices keep skyrocketing, renewable forma of energy are going to suddenly be a lot more economical

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fulcrummedreply
lemmy.world

*CORNbread - don’t forget the subsidies. Those farmers know on which side their bread is buttered. While I’m at it - ethanol for fuel… it’s all to encourage homegrown solutions.

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Shindo66reply
lemmy.world

Do you want to know why corn is subsidized? When mexico was producing good corn at a good price many years ago, they were undercutting US cereals for livestock growth. The US basically said, fuck mexico, and just paid the farmers to grow corn in the US just enough so they could sell their corn at a slightly lower price. It devastated Mexican farmers who had built a system of selling corn to the cereal grain hungry US. My native Mexican coworker told me in great detail about that one.

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Thassodarreply
sh.itjust.works

The US putting their fingers is a well-established pie for their own self gain? Say it ain't so!!

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lemmy.world

If food is too expensive, don't eat.

-Republicans

Famine makes ecconomic sense

-Also Republicans

Why aren't the plebians having kids? We need more wage slaves! Maybe outlawing abortion is the solution.

-Republicans, again

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BigBenisreply
lemmy.world

I was in an argument just yesterday on the "not having enough kids" subject where people were insisting that younger generations are choosing to live in "expensive places" and that they should move to "cheaper places" so they can start families. As if the idea of abandoning their lives, careers and friends to go live out in the boonies in order to provide a bare-minimum QoL for their family is going to change any dual-income-no-kids couples' minds.

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kestrel7_7reply
lemmy.world

There are no cheap places to move. In the USA, anyway. Anywhere that has “affordable” homes has no jobs, so they’re not actually affordable. And employers are getting harder about remote work. It’s very frustrating because I would happily move to a “less expensive area” but I can’t afford it 😂

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"Clearly, this generation knows nothing of hardship. It may not seem like it but we live in the most equitable period in the history of the US and the tools and technology available to you give you no excuse for failure. The previous generations had the Great Depression and World Wars and all you do is complain. Instead of living selfishly beyond your means, try living on a budget. You don't need to have money to start having kids, there are people living in poverty all over the world and that's not stopping them."

Obviously, just about the biggest /s I've ever /s'ed. These are just an example of the things people have said to me, taken more or less verbatim.

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There’s a gap between valuing oneself and just trying to survive.

If I valued myself, I would living around the California central coast or wine country, not North Carolina.

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Are eggs still expensive? I haven't heard anyone bitch about it in a while and I have my own flock.

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lemmy.ca

Is Trump about to give the same inadvertent boost to plant-based diets and the environment as he did for renewables?

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MrVilliamreply
sh.itjust.works

He's so far right that he's popping out on the left like in Kid Icarus. Did you hear about those $5k socialism checks? EVs are getting adopted en masse. Now reducing beef in diets? What's next, common sense gun control? Fully legalized cannabis? Trust busting?

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It's too bad he's holding up gigantic projects like wind and solar. Also, many subsidies for EV and rooftop solar disappeared. So, yeah, if he brought that back, demand might shoot way up thanks to the failed policies of donnie.

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I thought that might be where she goes, but she's about as clueless about nutrition as can be expected of a winger.

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lemmy.world

Yet when Michelle Obama merely suggested that Americans eat better and exercise, the pedo GOP blew a gasket.

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They're all friends in DC. Its theater when they get upset with eachother so that we the people divide ourselves so they can stay in power and not be forcibly removed.

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lemmy.world

Good message, wrong reasoning.

Ecologists have been telling people [from rich countries] to minimize beef consumption or drop it altogether for years, but not because of its price tag.

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lemmy.zip

not because of its price tag

I get what you mean, and agree, but want to point out that at least in a sense, it is because of the price tag: the cost to the environment and to others, in the form of water use, land use, carbon and methane emissions, etc. Internalizing those external costs would make beef cost more money at the point of sale.

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Not just water use, but the run-off gets into our fresh water and makes it be not fresh.

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lemmy.world

LOL, she was soooo close for a moment, I guess. She's still adhering to protein mythologies, it seems. It's 2026. Do people still not know?

But I find it funny that the cons clutched their pearls so hard over Michelle suggesting kids get more exercise and eat vegetables. And now it's a con that is depriving them of beef and telling them to make do.

I thought the liberals were going to make conservative eat bugs and live in a shoebox and own nothing?

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They are hypocrites, they don't care and neither does the electorate. They would have dragged her regardless of what she did or said. Remember they were making a commotion about a fucking tan suit.

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lemmy.zip

RFK must be pissed at her for not promoting 100% ‘Murican BEEF TALLOW, a real pioneer man’s food.

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LOL, beef tallow.

That reminds me, after reading the book Protein:

I suppose she might have been able to promote cheaper alternatives like whey for people wringing their hands over their proteinmaxxing.

But since that made a journey from waste product to being sold as a health food product, I suppose that price was jacked up, too.

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“But if it is too expensive — unlike fuel, Benny — you can eat chicken, pork, salmon, eggs."

"Let them eat salmon." LOL.

So there are alternative proteins. That's a free market situation. But there is no alternative to the petro-state. Doing less driving is communism.

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If it free market it I completely cut off my consumption of ultimately useless Amazon junk, thus helping to produce less CO2 emissions from the manufacturing of useless Chinese Amazon junk?

Nah, that’s commie shit too.

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It's something that Marie Antoinette was accused of saying when French peasants were starving just before the French Revolution. Consensus is that she never actually did but it's a good little anecdote for rich people being blissfully unaware of real life.

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Well, she didn't tell them to eat rice and beans, which would have been too woke, I guess. Even if much smarter on a whole lot of levels.

She pointed them at other animal foods, or as become the new fashion, "protein".

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I went to the grocery store tonight, a single prefabricated slice of cheesecake was $9. That should be the price at a nice restaurant.

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lemmy.world

It is kinda nice that Impossible Steak Bites now costs less per unit of mass than beef does. Going vegetarian starting to make more sense every day...

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lemmy.world

That's good to hear. Given all the inputs into things like beef, plant-based should almost always be cheaper. I'm still irritated when something vegetarian/vegan on the menu is as expensive or even more expensive than the omnivore edition.

Few things highlight the deep distortions that actual social engineering does to the marketplace as much as that.

Of course, buying certain ingredients and making plant-based yourself can often be far cheaper than eating out.

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lemmy.zip

Sometimes the cost of processing itself is non-trivial.

Fermented sauces, for example, tend to be much more expensive than just the raw ingredients, because the process itself is complex (and requires significant labor and/or equipment to keep safe for human consumption).

In order to make some of these plant based meat substitutes, the complex processes need to basically move enough volume to be able to take advantage of economies of scale. So we'll probably get there eventually, at least once these plant protein products become mainstream enough.

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Increased demand for these products will bring competition, which will bring costs down. So support these guys when you can!

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Yes, all fair, and I think you are right. Add in that they are trying to cut against the grain of a system that revolves around setting up huge incentives for beef production and it's going to be tough to match on price.

Still, it's rather annoying.

I tend not to eat many substitutes in most cases, especially at home. I don't really need the extra sodium of something like Impossible...

I've been at places where the veggie options were rather limited, but they'd have burgers on the menu and you could sub in an Impossible Burger - for an extra $4. And last time I've eaten there was prior to Covid, so I'm sure it's even more now...

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Do it. Not just because of cost, but because it’s the right thing to do.

The upside too all of this shit? It’s making people take a hard look at how their lust for first-world consumption, immediate gratification and convenience is the very source of the problem we’re facing now.

Making the right choice economical is just the icing on the cake!

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lemmy.zip

lol

GOP: "we support farmers!!!!"

also GOP: "oh, beef too much? buy something else"

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Rentlarreply
lemmy.ca

Try our Argentinian mystery meat! 30% off!

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Even though they are cops, they are still homo sapiens, canibalism is not something you want to do unless you like playing with prions.

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lemmy.world

I was gonna say sarcastically: "this will go down well with the maga base". But most of them will never hear it. And most of those who do will just scream "FAKE NEWS! LIBERAL HOAX!" And the few who don't do that will tie themselves in mental gymnastics knots.

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Rhaedasreply
fedia.io

You forgot blaming Biden/Obama/Clinton for high prices they find in the store.

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pharreply
lemmy.world

I saw a video the other day where the woman was fully blaming Walmart. Not prices everywhere, not the economy, just Walmart. Not that Walmart is innocent, but Jesus....

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Well, there's some people who only shop there, so she might have no frame of reference to use, if she was able.

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These are the same dumbfucks that believe it when donnie or one of his stable of liars claim he inherited "the worst inflation in history", FFS. When it was actually ~2.9% when tiny-d donnie took office again.

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Considering that beef is a potential carcinogen, it's actually good advice. Plus, cattle are a massive producer of methane, which is far worse for global warming than CO2

Not to mention screw worms.

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lemmy.ca

I actually agree. Eat less beef and more vegetarian meals. I ate beef today but I also had vegetarian meals 4 days in the last week

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lemmy.world

It's not hard to have a vegetarian day. Think about it: on any given day maybe you have oatmeal or cereal for breakfast, then a PB&J for lunch, then all you have to do is have a CBR burrito for dinner, and BAM, you've had vegetarian day.

I'm also not 100% vegetarian, but I try to be more often than not. Because of various compelling reasons.

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lemmy.ca

It is a lot easier to commit to being a sometimes vegetarian than to give up all meat cold turkey. Eating less meat is better for health and for the environment

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Edit: I do want to also acknowledge though that if someone is reducing their meat consumption, that is great too. Any effort helps.

This isn't necessarily true. I've seen interviews with plant-based health coaches who've talked about adherence being better when people do jump all in with a plant-based lifestyle. That's what worked for me too, partly motivated by what I saw in documentaries about factory farms and slaughterhouses, and partly motivated by seeing my own family members die from preventable diseases way younger than they could have lived. Our choices have consequences, so there is urgency.

I went all in for as long as I could, messed up, then immediately tried again and pushed for even longer. Eventually something clicked in my mind and I knew, "I literally don't even need or want this."

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fedia.io

Okay. I mean the farmers might have something to say about it, but sure thing on my end. I love beef, but I ain't married to it for the fuck it all prices it's currently going for.

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I also enjoy beef. I had been trying to cut back on red meat for health reasons, but recently, with the stuff that Trump has been doing, like cutting back safety and importing beef of unknown origins, I just completely stopped eating beef.

I don't want to have to keep up with the news in order to know what's safe to eat.

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feddit.org

So maybe Trump is actually caring about climate change.

Not only has he lowered the CO2 emissions, through the closure of the straight of Hormuz. Gives electric cars a big boost and now he turns people away from meat to a plant based diet.

Wonder what is next on his agenda to save the planet. Keep on going.

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If only he didn't slaughter renewables and nuke international trade, some might consider this a step in the right direction

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lemmy.ca

"Let them eat re-constituted soy!" (I've heard that before, but in a different language).

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lemmy.zip

Thanks, Trump! The animals thank you, too!

-- A vegan

Imagine humans revolting because they’re pissed they don’t have the luxury of supporting ongoing genocide of living beings in the name of immediate gratification.

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Watabareply
sh.itjust.works

Leave it to the vegans to make the most stereotypical insane takes and support fascist pedophiles.

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Yeah, honestly, these price increases will be universal like every fucking time oil spikes. Yeah, beef will be more expensive, but so will rice, soy, beans, etc. Ya can't change your diet to avoid that. For the record, my beef consumption already took a nosedive shortly after COVID, and likely isn't coming back any time soon. Shit is too expensive to justify. I'll have it maybe once a month, but it's mostly poultry and eggs for me.

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“Cost of living too high? KILL YOURSELVES, STREET URCHINS!”

  • the wealthy
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lemmy.zip

Wait, which message did conservative radio give my brainwashed family members to parrot?

"Eggs are too expensive, its the President's faukt." "Steak is too expensive, eat something else."

I need to know what to expect at Thanksgiving.

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lemmy.zip

Miyoko has a delicious tofurky recipe. It’s really good. Better than tortured factory turkey or the corpse of a murdered pig.

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SippyCupreply
lemmy.world

Long pig? It's really only good if the long pig was particularly well off.

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Beef, it's what's for dinner... unless you're too poor you worthless piece of shit

-the Trump administration

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“Eat this toxic scrap meat we got from South America at a REALLY good price! It’s good for you!!!”

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

While technically correct, this is such a supremely tone deaf statement that I have to wonder if they’re just going full mask off.

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My apartment manager doesn't like the dozen chickens running around, but I told them the Trump administration told me to do it, and what can they say to that? I tell the neighbors the same thing when they complain about the noise and chicken shit everywhere.

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What's even more stupid is that she propagates the protein myths AND points them at sources that are not really all that cheap.

If she wanted to help people that are worried about "getting their protein" (oh FFS, and JFC. 🙄 ) she could point them at rice and beans for a much more budget-friendly option with a much longer shelf life.

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Wild horses couldn't tear some people away from eating beef, but they might be eating them instead soon.

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lemmy.world

i am not against changing our diet per say. i can envision a future where we eat more bugs/algae proxies. when playing cyber punk i saw an ad for pizza with “REAL peperoni crickets” or something, and wile i know it’s out there to shock the player, the more i think about it the more i embrace it.

in this case i declare broken clock protocols, and know that this is a symptom to larger rot in society, but our current way of life was never sustainable, nor particularly healthy.

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slrpnk.net

Meanwhile legumes: am I a joke to you?

Miraculous nitrogen fixing nutritional powerhouses with more culinary flexibility than virtually everything else out there, and y'all are so averse to putting some plants in your mouth that you'd start talking about resorting to eating bugs.

To be fair I do regularly take algae oil supplements I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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WraithGearreply
lemmy.world

jesus tap dancing christ.

the speed at which a vegan IMMEDIATELY shot me down as not good enough has to have been precognition.

but sure, yea, whatever, beans and other plants we are already eating should probably be involved and be more prominent in our diets.

damn!

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Uh dude, you're talking about eating animals. What, you think I'm gonna be like, "Yeah eat those crickets! Fuck those guys!"?

But also, in this case I was more criticizing your dramatics about cyberpunk dystopias. Like yeah, meat is unsustainable, so of course things like this will happen. What does that leave? The stuff you should be eating more anyway.

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They might get what they are asking us to do, and I'm certain that they'll like that less than tough questions.

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Good advice from the Trump administration? This is too weird, I'm going back to bed

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Jo Miranreply
lemmy.ml

Let them eat cake. As long as it's not...

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Personally, I will just get my meat from a blue dot farmer. There is a website for blue dot farms if you want to search on Brave.

Eventually, Id like to buy 60 - 70 % of my groceries and any fun things from progressives or blue dots entirely.

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We just found one near us as well. Turns out not all red state farmers / ranchers are morons.

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lemmy.world

Yeah, but there's a whole 100 year old system of feeding the US beef. Sure, we can change things. The system however, has been fabricated to produce beef. Its a very very large system that isn't easily just changed. Can it be changed? Sure. Can that change happen easily and without economic pain? No. Its like oil. Sure, alternatives for gas and fertilizer exist, but its a hugely painful process to change when there has been such a reliance on a very ingrained system.

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feddit.dk

Is salmon cheap in the US? It is super expensive in Denmark

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Corkyskogreply
sh.itjust.works

No, just looked it up and cheapest I saw at Costco is like $15/lb.

There are cheaper steak deals available.

I got excited for a second because I love salmon and having it be cheaper would be awesome.

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TRockreply
feddit.dk

Is that with sales tax included?

I can find salmon for $11/lb, tax included. I am surprised it's cheaper in Denmark.

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It depends on where you are in the USA, of course. If you’re not near the coast, it has to be airmailed in. Salmon is cheaper in Seattle than it is in Denver. Whereas Denmark, the whole thing is near the coast.

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