Oh yeah honestly the rapidity with which this took hold and almost everybody agreed FUCK THAT GUY and started working towards a collective fix actually gives me a lot of faith in fedi. I'm kinda hoping this does open up more conversation about open and customizable sorting and filtering algorithms. I feel like there's space in fedi for more complex and personalized algorithms like you see on mainstream social media but in a way that's easy for the end user to pop open, examine, and tweak to their needs, and easy to apply templates that are clear about their intentions and publicly auditable.
You know how people used voyager/boost/etc to access reddit? Well the web app is a similar idea (adds features, filter options, etc for customizing your Lemmy experience) except imagine the dev decided to add a secret filter list to the app where they added keywords, users, and subreddits that they didn’t like so you simply wouldn’t see them.
A fair number of instances had implemented the web app (called Tesseract, search Lemmy for that term if you want more details).
The reason it’s good to be on the list is because the list includes a bunch of popular lefty communities including some entire instances like Blahaj. Being listed individually just means you made the dev butthurt at some point so they decided people using their front end shouldn’t get to see your posts.
One detail I'm still not fully clear on is how widespread the effects are. Say an instance uses the tesseract frontend. Does that mean that everyone who accesses lemmy via that instance was having all of this filtering applied? Does it only apply if they were accessing it via the web? If they logged into the same instance via a smartphone app, would it still be applying all of the hidden tesseract filters?
It’s just a web client, logging in from other spaces wouldn’t be impacted. It would be at its own URL like Tesseract.Lemmy.World for Lemmy.world (made up example). It’s implemented at the instance level by instance admins. A lot of instances implement multiple options for their userbase so only users using that option would be impacted.
Oh, so he thinks most of us are violent nutjobs. Well if thinking billionaires and child molesters should be exterminated is wrong I don't want to be right.
I just thought it was usernames. I can't believe he blocked link shortners and go fundme. I get link shorteners to an extent, but outright blocking them instead of giving a warning?
Thanks @Sprinks, I had been following this for a few days but couldn't find the list until you shared it here. I was certain I wasn't cool enough to have angered this twat edgelord, but here I am in bright and agnsty glory!
It's a general approach to names with numbers at the end, the list is full of those. I'm almost more interested in the more specific patterns like name(69)+, because was there an alt name6969 he wanted to block but an unrelated name67 he wanted to avoid?
I know, and I suspect the name came up more than once. But if I implemented some kind of algorithm to add people to the list based on posting behaviour, I wouldn't put in the effort to have it implement a regex for "this guy and whatever number they added".
To me this looks like he wrote the list by hand. Which is even weirder.
On top of that, [0-9]+ matches one or more digits and ()? matches the contained token zero or one times, so the whole thing combines to zero or more digits, which is just [0-9]*. They're even bad at regex.
I wonder if the dev even knows his shittery has been exposed. Everybody talking about it is probably on the naughty list so he may be blissfully unaware.
This is why I don't trust anyone who slaps a rank or title in front of their username. It's not 100% reliable but you get a lot of self-aggrandizing douche-canoes calling themselves Admiral this or Lord that until they forget the bit and really think they're something special. It is a rule with exceptions though.
Fair enough, really ought to do a DS9 rewatch now that I don't have to wait for the local station to pump it out over the airwaves. Never really grabbed me like TNG or the original series.
DS9 is my favorite series, but it does take a season to get going. I think for me it really gets legs when Worf joins, but you'll see a lot of folks say it's when Sisko begins to sport a goatee
Seems to block a lot of folks, many of them reasonable. To be fair, it also blocks spammers. But it's deceptive in its implementation, and opaque in its application, and therefore is a bad thing.
Dammit! My 'try to be kind and supportive'-arc has been WAY too succesfull, I'm not on it :( just a blanket ban association for being in the cool kids crowd (blahaj got instanceblocked)
Both me and my violent website are on the list... I read his 10 'rules', and they read like they were written by a person who doesn't like to hear or see things outside of his own bubble.
From his own instance description: "The default UI for DubVee is called Tesseract and is developed by the admins of this instance. We no longer offer Lemmy-UI as the devs have decided to add a giant “donation” banner that cannot be disabled and puts words in the mouths of all instances regarding what content is acceptable." (emphasis mine)
Yeah seriously, I'm ready advocate so much violence against these "alt-right" neo-Nazis and be a staunch ally to my LGBTQ+ friends but my resume is incomplete until I can cite my presence on the list!
So did anyone figure out who was added to the list and why? I saw an account with total of 12 comments and no posts on it. The comments didn't say anything remotely political. It bans both "Conservative" and "Communist" communities. It just looks like it was trying to ban politics as a whole and maybe used some silly bot detection algorithm to flag users?
I'm guessing the Tesseract list. Although, I haven't actually found anyone posting a link to it. I've seen a few people ask for the link, but folks only respond with sarcasm.
Potential sea lioning? That would be literally any question. And it was only the second question. And the topic is not whatsoever the type of controversial thing people would usually approach in that way.
Honestly, I bristle at the overuse of the term sea lioning. It makes the internet a much worse place if we go around assuming people are only trying to find out stuff they don't know from other humans as a malicious method to waste our time. That comic did more harm than good, imo
It’s not that list, that’s the normal
Blacklist, it’s the secret blacklist that tesseract downloads without the admin knowing that has the “special” ban list
Tesseract seems to be some kind of platform for Lemmy; I'm not sure if it's an Android app or just a web app. The dev has enacted a shadowban list to try to reduce calls for violence, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. I don't seem to be on the most, and I had either way never heard of Tesseract before. I personally use Blorp to surf Lemmy.
It's not an installable app, it's a alternative web frontend admins can install on an instance. You basically just log into a different URL on the same instance domain, and get a different UI from the same data.
You just haven't pissed of the dev who wrote tesseract. Honestly I'm surprised there aren't more people on it. Dude seems like they wanted their own sandbox.
See, actually, since there are technically multiple lists (this is the large one) and all of them are in files, it would be more correct to say "in the files".
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I love how Lemmy's biggest scandal to-date involves an open-source app for Lemmy.
Can't get that on reddit.
Because they pulled the rug out from developers...sure...but that's besides the point.
(Sent with Boost, Lemmy client for Android...because it was my favorite reddit client)
RIP Apollo
Long live Voyager!
Aye!!!
Oh yeah honestly the rapidity with which this took hold and almost everybody agreed FUCK THAT GUY and started working towards a collective fix actually gives me a lot of faith in fedi. I'm kinda hoping this does open up more conversation about open and customizable sorting and filtering algorithms. I feel like there's space in fedi for more complex and personalized algorithms like you see on mainstream social media but in a way that's easy for the end user to pop open, examine, and tweak to their needs, and easy to apply templates that are clear about their intentions and publicly auditable.
Is this the biggest scandal? The lemmygrad.ml, the lemmy.ml related ones seemed way bigger
Im so lost and confused. What is this list and why am i on it?
Edit: lmao, skimming over the keyword list. 🥺?👉👈
Edit2:
Took some back tracking, but here is the story: https://lemmy.world/post/49778353 Here is the list itself: https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
Edit 3: It was the fish, wasnt it?
You know how people used voyager/boost/etc to access reddit? Well the web app is a similar idea (adds features, filter options, etc for customizing your Lemmy experience) except imagine the dev decided to add a secret filter list to the app where they added keywords, users, and subreddits that they didn’t like so you simply wouldn’t see them.
A fair number of instances had implemented the web app (called Tesseract, search Lemmy for that term if you want more details).
The reason it’s good to be on the list is because the list includes a bunch of popular lefty communities including some entire instances like Blahaj. Being listed individually just means you made the dev butthurt at some point so they decided people using their front end shouldn’t get to see your posts.
One detail I'm still not fully clear on is how widespread the effects are. Say an instance uses the tesseract frontend. Does that mean that everyone who accesses lemmy via that instance was having all of this filtering applied? Does it only apply if they were accessing it via the web? If they logged into the same instance via a smartphone app, would it still be applying all of the hidden tesseract filters?
It’s just a web client, logging in from other spaces wouldn’t be impacted. It would be at its own URL like Tesseract.Lemmy.World for Lemmy.world (made up example). It’s implemented at the instance level by instance admins. A lot of instances implement multiple options for their userbase so only users using that option would be impacted.
Finally I can check for myself!
...YES I'M ON THE LIST
I don't even publically say that much ""radical left"" stuff on here
I'm disappointed I'm not lefty enough for the club 😭
Me too. :(
Oh, so he thinks most of us are violent nutjobs. Well if thinking billionaires and child molesters should be exterminated is wrong I don't want to be right.
Will they unblock wholesomeyuri and blahaj
🥺👉👈
Cool I’m on a list I didn’t know about either, but I’m not surprised.
Nice I'm on it
Woo, fuck yeah, made the list!
Apparently I'm not blocky enough for the blocklist.
I just thought it was usernames. I can't believe he blocked link shortners and go fundme. I get link shorteners to an extent, but outright blocking them instead of giving a warning?
I'm not on the list :(
I walk among giants!
Thanks @Sprinks, I had been following this for a few days but couldn't find the list until you shared it here. I was certain I wasn't cool enough to have angered this twat edgelord, but here I am in bright and agnsty glory!
But I gather I’m in good company.
See there is being on the list , then there is getting a regex. Get that, and it puts you in the elite side of an already elite club
Upon further investigation, I do appear to be a regex elite. In celebration I’m going to go outside and look down my nose at various things.
A royal regexer, not to be confused with the plain URL peasantry.
I got a regex award
My old account got the regex award
Summa Cum Laude
Summa Like Itta Not Alotta
Wait, being on the regex makes me extra special? I wish I knew what I did to earn that honour.
I didn't get a regex, but I am still happy to even be on the list.
“Some… times… you wanna go…”
Where every body knows your name...
COMRADE!
Holy shit, I am on the list! This is amazing! My profile is listed on line 49.
Mom look at me I’m on the front page!
My regex is even slightly different, bro personally typed my name in. I am, once again, just some guy
I'm not on it, and I'm disappointed.
Same. I guess I haven't rustled enough of the jimmies yet.
I post Jimmies but can't be bothered to see if I'm on the list.
I'm afraid you're not on the list. I had it open and checked.
Thank you for checking. I'm probably not on the list because I post too many Jimmies.
If only I'd known I would have posted more Jimmies. :'(
Sounds like we’ve got some work to do.
I'm with you
Got into the top 200 at least.
What in the iseraeli committed genocide i'm not on the list (╯°□°）╯︵
I'm in the club, y'all.
I am curious if I'm on the list but not enough to find it and look. I guess I'll never know
Just click the link and control-f
Took me 30 seconds
You're not :(
I'm mildly disappointed
lol, apparently, so am I
lol, what did this person do to receive such hate? 😂
^ghosttree([0-9]+)?$It's a general approach to names with numbers at the end, the list is full of those. I'm almost more interested in the more specific patterns like
name(69)+, because was there an alt name6969 he wanted to block but an unrelated name67 he wanted to avoid?I know, and I suspect the name came up more than once. But if I implemented some kind of algorithm to add people to the list based on posting behaviour, I wouldn't put in the effort to have it implement a regex for "this guy and whatever number they added".
To me this looks like he wrote the list by hand. Which is even weirder.
I just don't get why he's insisting on a regex for this. Surely filtering comments out based on sentiment scoring would yield a better experience.
On top of that, [0-9]+ matches one or more digits and ()? matches the contained token zero or one times, so the whole thing combines to zero or more digits, which is just [0-9]*. They're even bad at regex.
Fucking up regex is a sacred tradition!
No it's not
OK, this person nailed it on the first try. But besides them, I know nobody who didn't fuck them up once or twice.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I am also in the list, was active early genocide and anti-Zionist and then stopped coming around for a long while.. is this a good thing or bad thing?
Update: I guess it's the good list so far, thanks for the info.
I feel left out 😭😭😭
Well, clearly you're not left out enough
I see what did there 😂
"So, Sergio, on your resume under 'Awards and Honors' you've put 'on Tesseract blocklist as a regex'... what exactly does that refer to?"
At this point I feel like everyone is on here. I finally found myself.
Nice, a lot of people have to embark on a whole journey of incremental self-discovery to get there. Angry list-maker guy did you a favor.
I'm on there with you
I'm disappointed I'm not on the list.
I’m not on the list which makes me think I’m doing something wrong.
I wonder if the dev even knows his shittery has been exposed. Everybody talking about it is probably on the naughty list so he may be blissfully unaware.
see here: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942
“And might I add that not one person complained until db0 went internet Karen with his hissy fit”
Lol he went full scooby doo villain there
"And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!" 🤌
This is why I don't trust anyone who slaps a rank or title in front of their username. It's not 100% reliable but you get a lot of self-aggrandizing douche-canoes calling themselves Admiral this or Lord that until they forget the bit and really think they're something special. It is a rule with exceptions though.
Admiral Patrick is from a star trek episode. The dev also has an alt named Kirk, but don't ask me why it's not Captain Kirk lol
Fair enough, really ought to do a DS9 rewatch now that I don't have to wait for the local station to pump it out over the airwaves. Never really grabbed me like TNG or the original series.
DS9 is my favorite series, but it does take a season to get going. I think for me it really gets legs when Worf joins, but you'll see a lot of folks say it's when Sisko begins to sport a goatee
They are also @[email protected]
The 'Admiral' is like this character's first name though. Like Captain Jack Sparrow, or Captain Jack Harkness
"I don't tolerate transphobia, that's why I banned blahaj" is pretty goddamn funny.
they've responded about it a couple times at least, so they do know.
Nice, welcome to the cool club!
I don’t even know what I did lol.
You'd have to ask the dev.
Seems to block a lot of folks, many of them reasonable. To be fair, it also blocks spammers. But it's deceptive in its implementation, and opaque in its application, and therefore is a bad thing.
Don't stress it!
I'm on the list, I feel so validated. Nazis and zionists, fuck off
Dammit! My 'try to be kind and supportive'-arc has been WAY too succesfull, I'm not on it :( just a blanket ban association for being in the cool kids crowd (blahaj got instanceblocked)
My instance hosts anti-communism and drone-kill footage communities so I guess we got a pass by default.
Both me and my violent website are on the list... I read his 10 'rules', and they read like they were written by a person who doesn't like to hear or see things outside of his own bubble.
From his own instance description: "The default UI for DubVee is called Tesseract and is developed by the admins of this instance. We no longer offer Lemmy-UI as the devs have decided to add a giant “donation” banner that cannot be disabled and puts words in the mouths of all instances regarding what content is acceptable." (emphasis mine)
The audacity.
Where can I find the list? I've been poking around in the source and found some filtering code but I can't find the full list.
Here you go.
You're not on it :(
huh, neither am I. Which mouth breathing chud do I need to piss off to get added?
Yeah seriously, I'm ready advocate so much violence against these "alt-right" neo-Nazis and be a staunch ally to my LGBTQ+ friends but my resume is incomplete until I can cite my presence on the list!
Yay!! I'm in the list and I even have a regex for it 🤗🎉💯
Thank you :)
It's not in the source, it's downloaded at runtime.
curl -s https://tesseract.dubvee.org/tesseract/api/system/policy | base64 -d | gunzip > policy.jsonCongrats! My alt is on their.
So did anyone figure out who was added to the list and why? I saw an account with total of 12 comments and no posts on it. The comments didn't say anything remotely political. It bans both "Conservative" and "Communist" communities. It just looks like it was trying to ban politics as a whole and maybe used some silly bot detection algorithm to flag users?
He also used some broad range of keywords like perchance to put people on that list.
Lmfao "You can't just say perchance"
Could it be based on some subscriptions or maybe voting history on some posts?
I'm there, maybe this is some sort of an ARG and we get some flair beside pur usernames as a trophy?
Participating in trans spaces too, I think that's why I'm on it
What’s this?
I'm guessing the Tesseract list. Although, I haven't actually found anyone posting a link to it. I've seen a few people ask for the link, but folks only respond with sarcasm.
This is the blacklist https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
That guy tried to block ChadMcTruth. He's a national treasure
What is the list supposed to be for?
Try three things to find out for yourself, and post the results here. If you still haven't figured it out then, I'll answer you.
So sassy. You just made the list bro it's all over for you now
Sorry. I just bristle at potential sea lioning.
I was only messing around, no need to apologise!
Potential sea lioning? That would be literally any question. And it was only the second question. And the topic is not whatsoever the type of controversial thing people would usually approach in that way.
Honestly, I bristle at the overuse of the term sea lioning. It makes the internet a much worse place if we go around assuming people are only trying to find out stuff they don't know from other humans as a malicious method to waste our time. That comic did more harm than good, imo
If you’re part of it, I don’t think I even want to know.
Here's a link to it. I took it from db0's post (here) talking about it.
In the comments they're saying the repo has been deleted, but the link still works. I don't know what's up with that.
It’s not that list, that’s the normal Blacklist, it’s the secret blacklist that tesseract downloads without the admin knowing that has the “special” ban list
Wonder what I said to get a full URL wildcard ban
Ah, i didn't realize the list i linked only had the blocked instances
Yea, that’s not why people are making a fuss, it’s the super secret downloaded blacklist
Wow just rubbing it in. How do I at people? Admiral Patrick@lemmyworld, do your job and put me on that list!
![email protected]
Needs an exclamation mark
Aw. Didn't get my name on there, but my communities sure are there.
"Moe" is in the regex. Buddy really don't like weebs, huh.
Ugh! LUCKY!
Congrats! I’m surprised that I’m not on it. 😂
I'm jealous of all y'all
What's your rank?
OOTL what is all this
Tesseract seems to be some kind of platform for Lemmy; I'm not sure if it's an Android app or just a web app. The dev has enacted a shadowban list to try to reduce calls for violence, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. I don't seem to be on the most, and I had either way never heard of Tesseract before. I personally use Blorp to surf Lemmy.
It's not an installable app, it's a alternative web frontend admins can install on an instance. You basically just log into a different URL on the same instance domain, and get a different UI from the same data.
Smiliar to Elk or Phanpy for Mastodon.
i’m in the regex and i think that means i got all kate’s banned
i'm not on it, what does it mean
You just haven't pissed of the dev who wrote tesseract. Honestly I'm surprised there aren't more people on it. Dude seems like they wanted their own sandbox.
makes sense, i don't comment often
They would have saved a lot of time to just make a whitelist instead. lewzers
It means you're my kind of people.
It's a good thing I'm invisible, I can go shitpost there.
See, actually, since there are technically multiple lists (this is the large one) and all of them are in files, it would be more correct to say "in the files".
Check me I don't use fancy teseract thing
Congrats! Also, stop gloating. ^.~
Everyone not on the list should be ashamed of themselves.
:(((((
Yea but he didn't get the alts.
Ngl, I was previously an user using that thing...
Me too
I've been a dick on this account and my lemmy.world account for almost 4 years now, and I'm not on the list.
Gonna have to try harder.
ditto