US House to vote on bill to make daylight saving time permanent
In May, the House Energy and Commerce Committee voted 48-1 in favor of the Sunshine Protection Act. The U.S. Senate voted unanimously in March 2022 to make daylight saving time permanent but the House never took up the measure in the face of opposition. The proposal the House will consider next week would allow states to opt out.
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This would be about the only good thing Republicans have done ever if they pass this. Hope they don't let states opt out. When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was "you don't want kids having to walk to/from school when it's dark!!" Okay, so... wow, did you know they could change school hours.
The same argument works the other way. Keep noon as the point where the sun is highest. Then change the times of things for appropriate daylight. Daylight savings is just people agreeing to get up an hour earlier. Instead of "9 to 5", everyone agrees to work 8 to 4. Which coincidentally puts solar noon perfectly in the middle of the work day. Isn't that a surprise!
Well, we're also in the 21st century and this jump an hour twice a year shit makes no sense. We could make timekeeping worldwide way more insane by having it adjust "imperceptibly" over time to auto adjust times worldwide based on true solar noon at each individual clock location using GPS. So all clocks would now have GPS as well to be able to ping their location to get the appropriate time. This... would be insane. We'd have seconds that are longer than a second. LET'S DO IT.
This is my vote. If we're going to mess with the clocks, let's REALLY mess with them. I guess not messing with them would also be okay, though.
You wouldn't necessarily have to have GPS in every clock. You could have all the clocks forming an "asynchronous mesh" network. They would all constantly ping each other on a standard frequency and estimate their location using triangulation. That, in combination with scanning for other things like phones, WiFi APs, BLE devices etc, could probably get you surprisingly accurate location data with a big enough network.
Wow I didn't know they had worldwide internet, atomic clocks, and network time protocol servers before the railways...
I mean sure it's how clocks worked before the railways if you entirely ignore the technology involved!
I get confused, but what I prefer based on living far north is for evenings to be longer. It seems wrong to me when winter approaches and the sun starts going down around 6-7, then bam, the time change happens and the sun starts going down at 5. It's the exact opposite of what I'd prefer. I guess people active in the early morning like it. Ultimately I just think it's dumb to change the clocks. We should just pick one or the other.
Everyone agrees to stop changing. The only contention is how. Stay on DST, or stay on Standard Time. Lots of people say like you, "More daylight in the evening please!" But they don't realise all DST does is trick people into getting up early by lying to them, and breaking noon from the sun. Staying on standard time keeps the time sun connection. Then the "standard work day" can be changed to the more appropriate 8 to 4. You get the same effect as DST without lies, tricks, and changing solar noon. It's cleaner than permanent DST.
We live in time zones. “Standard” time is just as much a fiction as DST. I’ve never lived somewhere where the sun is directly overhead at noon. I suppose such places must exist; some of them might even be on standard time when it does. In my area, it’s closer to directly overhead during DST.
It used to be that towns would set their clocks so solar noon was noon. When time zones are invented they picked one place and that was the standard. I remember reading somewhere once that mountain time was defined as solar union at Denver Union Station because the most important function of time zones is railroad scheduling at the time when the first American time zones were defined
Isn't people shifting their schedule by an hour and then back the entire reason the time change sucks? Who cares about "sun-noon connection" or the clocks "lying" to them?
It is. There's no reason 8 to 4 would ever need to change. Keep it year-round
Well let's consider that misunderstanding corrected then. Thanks.
People have a weird fixation on the inherent meaning of certain times of day. Like 9:00 a.m. is ontologically when work begins. It's strange.
You guys start work at 9?!
Holy shit I'd love to not be up at 5am every morning
Naw, cat, work begins at 6:30 am. 9 to 5 is just a song for the office folks.
I wish that were still so. I'm fixated on 9am being the time work used to begin.
Also, right now I'm the central time zone "high noon" is about 1pm, so the noon logic is also bullshit. You'd have to add more time zones and make more changes to keep high noon always close to noon for everyone.
Right now your solar noon is at 1pm because we're currently on DST, which specifically shifts solar noon to 1pm. That's how it works. When you "Fall Back" to standard time, your noon will match solar noon again.
Also school: let's start activities at 6 AM in winter. And not finish until 10PM. No the bus only runs for school hours why do you ask?
School hours are engineered to make sure parents can drop their kids off at the state-funded daycare (which is what most parents consider school) and get to work on time...
And the reason the high-school kids get out first is so they can take care of younger siblings after school, which is a shitty way for teenagers to spend afternoons. (I was lucky, youngest of six.)
Just to argue counterpoint: nothing stops your schools or work from changing hours now, whenever the clocks change. Work and school 8 to 4 until dst. Then you work\school 9 to 5.
change the school hours for the shifting daylight hours, you'd also have to change parents' work schedules.. or provide some child care benefits, maybe. and we know how that would go over with this congress and administration.
I don't know, we tried it in the 70s and people hated it enough to switch back pretty quickly. Under permanent DST, sunrise in January would not be until after 8 AM, while under permanent standard time sunrise in June would be shortly after 4 AM.
i remember that. it was my first year in school and i still remember going to school "at night". i was not a fan. yes, school was only across the street, but i did not like the dark--at all. mom had to walk me to school instead of just watching from the back steps like she usually did back then.
i am firmly on team standard time; and i'd rather keep changing (and preferably with the old time change dates and shorter dst) than be an hour ahead all year long.
I work from 7am to 5 pm. During the summer I need that extra hour of light to go fishing otherwise it's not worth the drive. If I can fish for 3 hours after work it's well worth it
I hope the Dems read all the small print, like, "Daylight Savings is now permanent...and brown people have no rights...."
As I always say, "A broken clock is right twice a day."
This saying bothers me, this assumes the clock is not running, a working clock could not be running, but a broken clock could just lose a minute a day, and it would never be right but a few times a year.
I always heard the saying as, "A stopped clock is right twice a day."
I've never heard it said that way, all the people I have heard say this saying have always used the broken term and it always bothered me.
I have also heard it as a stopped clock.
“Broken clock” is probably like “Play it again, Sam” or “Luke, I am your father.” Phrases you think were said but never actually are.
Or it could be a broken digital clock and then it's not right at all.
laughs in gettier.
That's why I say "stopped clock". Which is how I heard it as a kid.
This would expand that to four hours a day.
We've been ready to get rid of the switch for ages in Ontario and Quebec but because of international business we're stuck waiting for New York to also get rid of it
*modern day republicans
The OGs were cool back when the Republican Party was the progressive party that wanted to abolish slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.
Then they did pulled the uno reverse card about 90 years ago, and the GOP started becoming America’s Conservative Party.
Sure, but that is such a long time ago. The relevant thing is liberals vs. conservatives. In the 1850s Republicans were the liberal party. It's funny how now they try to claim credit for Lincoln and it's uh okay, so who is it that displays confederate flags now? Democrats?
I believe that if this passes, Ontario immediately switches as well, since they passed intrepid leading-edge legislation to change if everyone else changes.
Arizona doesn't use DST at all
Trump just fired the federal election commission and fucks kids. Epstien files.
I just saw that. What. The. Fuck.
Exactly.
Of course there might be somethibg horrible in this bill that they want to sneak through.
SHUT THE FUCK UP! OKAY? They vote on this every fucking year and it dies in the Senate. Big Clock is going to lobby this shit until I die. Just shut up. Stop talking about it. Daylight Savings will be in the USA for at least another hundred years.
^^^^ Legitimately one of the funniest things I've read in a long time.
Is it though?
I didn't even say anything!
Dude, what did he say?! Shut up!
It passed in the Senate. It died in the house.
I imagine it'll be the same when they federally legalize weed. Each chamber will take turns killing it for decades.
It’s actually been gaining steam over the past 5-ish years. If it dies in the end, it’s because people can’t agree which time should be permanent.
MAGAs have been pushing it because it's one of the few innocuous issues they've got that isn't a human rights atrocity.
It was really pushed by Rubio before he boarded the Trump train though
People in America can't even agree on voting for a pedo or not. What makes you think they could agree on a timezone?
Why not standard time?
It's, like, THE STANDARD
Yeah, no clue why everyone's going DST instead. I think having politicians make science decisions is a really dumb idea.
People get cranky when the time is moved forward in the spring. So they write to the politicians around that time. The politicians start talking about doing away with it then. There's no thought towards "ok we'll move the clacks back in the fall (nobody's cranky about that one) and then not change it again." It's just "do away with changing the clocks immediately!"
It's "standard", yet only applies 4 months out of 12 a year.
Science?
DST has always been a political decision.
People like daylight time in the summers, because that gives them the opportunity to do things after work in sunlight. For places where they're getting 16 hours of sunlight, they'd generally prefer sunrise at 5am and sunset at 9pm, rather than 4am to 8pm.
But daylight time is terrible in the winters. Sunlight from 8am to 4pm is probably better than 9am to 5pm.
That's basically why we had daylight savings switching clocks to begin with. But the fundamental tradeoff in the higher latitudes was always summer versus winter.
Nope what is the difference at least I see sunlight. Go to work in the dark under both ways. One I at least get some sun at the end of the day.
Because I want it to be light out later in the day
You like not being able to be outside?
I’d rather have them move the clock an hour backwards in summer. Summer days are so hot nowadays that you can’t be outdoors until after the sun goes down. Summer nights are nice, summer evenings aren’t. With DST you have to go to bed by the time you can be outdoors so you effectively can’t be out during weekdays.
North/West vs South/East in each time zone
There are 4 time zones in the US
The more North/West you live in a time zone the more you hate DST. The more South/East you live the more you like DST.
If you live in blue you probably hate DST, yellow probably like DST
All stems from states like Michigan should be in CST not EST. If Michigan was in CST then permanent DST would make it EST and they would be in "standard" time still.
Couldn't this be fixed by just moving the blue sections to the adjacent time zone.
Yes it could be. But having half a city in one time zone and the other half in another causes logistical problems. Does the same thing with states. That's why they are like that.
Best solution would be creating all new states designed around the time zones.
This would be the best way to split up the time zones with current states and counties
We should just reset our time zones to be straight lines while we're at it
So half your house is in one time zone and the other half is in another?
Speaking as someone who used to live in a city that's on that line: yes
Or you can break it down by city or county instead, some states already do it by county. If you know that Columbus is an hour later than Zanesville or that it's an hour earlier than Springfield, will it be disruptive? Sure, but it's the sort of thing people who live on time zone lines get used to. People in Indianapolis go to Chicagoland fairly often despite being in different time zones.
Really what drives me nuts is that it's arbitrarily shifted. Kentucky and Indiana are split when they could just all be central without issue. But hey, at least we aren't doing time zones as badly as Spain
Because most of the year is already daylight savings time. We're only in standard time for 4 months from November to March. It doesn't sound like a big difference from being 50/50, but we're in DST twice as long as we're in standard time.
Because light in the evening is better than light at night.
The numbers on the clock have no effect on the amount of daylight.
No, but they have an effect on the amount of daylight you have on your free time, in the evening. Evening being defined by the numbers on the clock.
Great, so there's no objection to permanent daylight savings.
Who even fucking cares anymore? How about demanding proof of life from the Senate Majority Leader? Stop wasting your breath on this bullshit.
As someone who works too damn early, please let's be sensible and do permanent standard time.
I'm sorry Canada, you're usually right, but you're wrong about this
We are further north. I went daylight time because it leaves more daylight after work.
Even here in the Midwest I feel the same. I’d rather have the sunlight during my time, not while I’m at work.
To be fair, Saskatchewan of all places actually did it right. BC surprised me. Alberta makes perfect sense with Marlena at the helm.
JUST! DO! THINGS! AT A! DIFFERENT! TIME! DAMMIT!!!
If you feel like time should always be an hour ahead, just do things an hour early! There's no need to change our entire reckoning of time
This is just a half measure. They need to fix the tilt of the Earth for a real solution to this problem.
I'm too lazy to find my years old comment on this but they didn't vote on it because they pocketed it to use as a rider base or ticket.
There is literally no opposition, they wanted to use it to pass other bills or measures at the same time because it has complete bipartisan support.
Congress sucks ass.
Noon should be noon, not 1.
Do you complain for 3/4 of the year?
Yes, seriously makes my insomnia worse.
Yes. Where I live is on the weird edge of a timezone, so even for the tiny part of the year where time makes more sense solar noon is at around 12:33. When daylight savings happens, that goes to 13:33. Noon happens closer to 15:00 than to "noon" and it's stupid
Lucy removes the football in 3...2...
Was going to say. They already passed this, and then the Senate dragged it's feet
This originally gained steam in the senate maybe 6 years ago? Shocked it is still kicking
Standard Time should be the default. And sadly, we don't even have that. Even our Standard Time has been mucked with. This website is a good source (not mine by the way). https://savestandardtime.com/ Let businesses change their hours instead of making people change clocks.
Most businesses in the USA can change their hours , but the hours that make sense for them depend on schedules they don't control.
False.
"Allow states to opt out?" Isn't this already something under their control? How is this a federally mandated thing? I mean Arizona already doesn't do it.
if its a federal decision just make the change apply everywhere. No one wants every state doing this differently. Think of the poor programmers.
On your first question: the current law is that DST is optional, but if a state opts out, they have to be on standard time. The new bill allows them to stay on DST permanently and removes the ability for states to opt-out unless they are already on year-round standard time. So, if this passes, every state in the union will be on either standard time or DST, depending on their status before, with no option to either go back to standard time nor to go back to changing twice a year.
The answer is simple.
The government shouldn't be telling us what time it is. We should leave that to the private sector. And you should be required to pay for a subscription to know what time it is.
Bojack Horseman called it. Just gotta buy some stock in What Time Is It Right Now.
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Dude.. time zones can go fuck themselves. I'm a QA and every quarter we deal with some random ass bug that rolls back to time zone issues.
I need a website like isitdns.com except isittimezone.fu
Also, fuck leap year bugs.
Haha that's fair.
The only two things programmers hate more than time zones are DNS and SSL
Yeah timezones are annoying... but just don't schedule anything to happen between 1am and 3am on Sundays and forget about it.
DNS is also pretty meh to me actually.
SSL? Holy shit... why the hell are they going to be requiring certs to change every fucking month? WTF is wrong with these people? Bad enough I gotta find a way for business partners to verify their connections still work when we discontinue TLS 1.0 and 1.1 because most of them are probably still using fucking .Net 4.x which requires a line of code to enable newer TLS versions (fucking Microsoft!) but in a couple of years we're going to have to find a way to automate certificate updates every fucking month because everyone's passing security responsibilities to me including the goddamn trusted CAs.
Yeah, SSL is a trigger word for me.
Great point. From a quick websearch it looks like every state is allowed to exempt itself. The few states that opted out did so right near the creation of the daylight saving time law.
I think maybe it comes down to inertia and staying in the herd. No state wants to be the first one to stick their neck out and make a change from the rest of the country all still doing the status quo.
Boo, the permanent time should be standard time, it's standard for a good reason.
Standard time blows unless your work hours are something absurd like 5am to 1pm.
A 9 to 5 is still a 9 to 5 no matter which way you shift the clock
Ending the clock change is a great idea. The question becomes, do we want to:
Go the permanent daylight saving route. Be an hour off from the rest of the world adding to the stack of weird and arguably stupid things the USA does different so we can have a bit of light after work instead of questioning why we're working our lives away. Also, drastically increase the number of morning injuries and fatalities, especially among children, as schools will be starting in the dark.
OR
Be sane.
It appears Congress has spoken.
Because of existing time zones aren’t we already different from the rest of the world? You make other good points but the rest of the world comparison seems odd. If anything just picking one is more consistent and safer regardless. I mean if you wanna talk about weird, the entire mainland china is one time zone, China Standard Time.
Or the fact that countries change to DST at different times if at all.
Why we don't move schools to start later in winter so they start in sunlight
You'd also have to change working hours for parents so they can get their kids ready for school.
Cool let's do it
But then you need to change the working hours for their co-workers who depend on them. Then some of the business partners of the companies that have a large number of employees that changed their working hours.
Eventually we get right back to where we started. The reason we change the clocks is because we decided that as a society, parts of the world that have a significant angle to the sun (which have a limited amount of daylight in the winter, and an excess amount of daylight in the summer) so we came up with a system to deal with that fact in a fairly organized way. There won't be a good solution to this, but simply changing the clocks twice a year is probably the least worst of all options.
It makes more sense in a world without artificial lights everywhere, now it's just holdover and tradition.
That kids darkness thing is so stupid. Our kids start school in the dark they are not dying on the streets.
"If it isn't happening right in front of my face at absurd rates, it must not be happening at all." Meanwhile, https://worldmetrics.org/daylight-savings-time-accident-statistics/
Standard time is better for health, and much less stupid to have the clock synced to the day cycle
I assume you don't live somewhere where it gets dark at 3pm in winter. The morning will be dark regardless, let me have that little bit of sun coming home from work
I live in SWEDEN, try again
Change your schedule, not the clock
We're in DST twice as much as we're in standard time. Keeping DST year round is the option most adherent to "change your schedule, not the clock". Adjusting winter hours for things is just as viable as adjusting summer hours is, so I'm not understanding why everybody insists on standard time year round and then says that it doesn't matter what the clock says because you can just change behaviors. Like yeah, we're saying the same thing, but we barely experience standard time so why would that be the one we pick? There's less to change if we pick DST.
Who is? It's not 8/4 here.
No, not when you put the sun and clock out of sync. Just fucking change when you set your alarm if you don't want the health benefit of morning sun.
Having a deliberately wrong clock because there's an unjustified offset when you don't need the offset is stupid.
I'm not really sure I understand your comment.
Who is what? Who is experiencing twice as much DST as standard time? The US. And the post is about changing what the US does, so that's a relevant detail. I don't really care that Sweden doesn't do that because nobody is talking about Sweden.
No, not what?
Idk dude, you seem really upset and I can't really make heads or tails of it.
And regardless of if it's Sweden or USA, it's still stupid to have a misaligned clock.
I'm not upset, just annoyed that people choose to be stupid when they know there's a better choice.
I guess I just don't see the point of doing it that way. You're not wrong, but we're already on DST so much more, so it's less disruptive to just keep that in place here. What we call the time is arbitrary, even if it wasn't always that way. I'd rather just go with DST year round than get stuck bickering over whether standard is the better choice and then pass nothing and keep this dumbass system of changing the clocks in November and March every year, fucking up sleep schedules and causing more car crashes and having confusing computer anomalies because our clocks change but theirs don't.
Agreed. After living most of my life in the PNW, having summer twilight as late as 10 PM was terrible.
Not American but living at the same latitude in Canada, the 10pm sunsets makes up for the endless dark that is winter. When spring comes, I take any sunlight that I can get
That must have been very N; sunset is around 9:20 on the summer solstice in Seattle.
Seattle. Twilight follows sunset for a time.
Whaa? That sounds glorious.
Of the two options they could have standardized on they picked the worst one. This literally defeats the point of noon
That is admittedly the best argument in favor of standard I've heard.
I love living in one of the 2 states that DON'T change time . I absolutely hated it and always thought it was stupid all the back and forth it's only an hour, just leave it at one time (honestly I don't care which). I used to live in the Midwest and the time change was the bane of my existence
https://www.colorado.edu/today/2022/03/28/why-permanent-daylight-saving-time-bad-idea
Why not just move school and work start times an hour or two later in the winter in Colorado then? Why hold the entire country hostage because of niche locations that already have the ability to make local decisions like this?
>more people will be driving to work or to the ski resorts in the dark
Trust me, if you aren't on I-70 before sunrise on the weekend, don't bother. You're not getting to the resort till noon
TIL in 1974 the U.S. tried permanent DST during an energy crisis … it saved little energy, fuel use slightly increased, and public support collapsed after one dark winter, so the law was repealed within 10 months.
God forbid we’d learn from past mistakes.
What do you mean dark winter? We already spend 3/4 of the year in DST. It sucks when it goes to standard time as it gets dark real early.
Getting rid of this and getting the u.s. to finally do to metric are my two low bar societal dreams before I die
Well, depending on how you measure that, the metric system was adopted in the US federally either 50 or 35 years ago...
https://usma.org/laws-and-bills/executive-order-12770
When I was in 1st and 2nd grade, maybe even 3rd (early 80s) we were learning everything metric. But by the time I was in middle school we were having to relearn everything in standard.
We mostly didn't learn about grams and ounces till highschool, but some Lebowski Overachievers figured it out in middle school...
The US is supposedly already converted to metric.
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Per the Metric Act of 1866, the US customary units of length and mass were redefined based on the international metric system, making them essentially just weird conversion factors of the meter and kilogram.
I am very surprised by the push back to this I'm reading in the comments. Keeping time stable will on average, be a 30 minute difference relative to the sun, and folks are fearing they will spend their entire days mired in darkness? I don't get it.
The US isn't know for a well educates populace.
When fast food chains tried releasing a 1/3rd pound burger they failed horribly because people thought 1/3 was less than a 1/4 pound burger.
Conservatives really are doing everything to repeat the Nixon years.
Nixon tried it. Turns out people didn't like it once they had it and it was switched back.
Should split the difference and go with a permanent 30 minute offset just to screw with everybody.
We wouldn't be the only ones. Several countries, territories and islands have half hour offsets from their neighbors. A few even have ±15 minute offsets.
Every three months, to capture granularity.
You know, waking up outside of your circadian rhythm can really fuck with you. So, I propose daylight fairness time. Instead of splitting up timezones by hours, we should split timezones by one (1) minute increments. This allows people to most effectively decide their living location to match their own personal circadian rhythm!
this is basically how time worked before we invented railroads
How about we don't do that, and instead ensure that workers can chose their starting hours so they match their rhythm?
No, that won't work, and it sounds like you HATE FREEDOM!
They'll pick the wrong one, and we'll have to live with it getting dark at 5 PM for the rest of history.
I like late sunshine.
I don't care which we choose. Just choose one and that's that. The day's length doesn't change; only the moment we start/stop things relative to the sun.
But this is the biggest sticking point. If you talk to experts, everyone agrees this is fucking stupid. The divide is over which way to go.
And that really doesn't matter because you can just change what hours your office or school or whatever operates to suit your ideal daylight situation. And if you still want to change based on longer days in summer, plenty of places have "summer hours" and are open later to take advantage of later sunset, so this really isn't a new concept.
That’s just not how businesses work. We need times to be consistent so that shipping, etc all works.
Yes, we all need to be in agreement about what time it is, but every business has different working hours. Starbucks opens before Staples for a good reason. And Starbucks has a later close time in the summer because there's more demand later if the sun is still up. If we all change all clocks one way or the other, Starbucks keeps the same schedule relative to the sun and what other people are doing. They don't strictly stick to the same open and close times if we decided to move the clocks by 6 hours, so there's no reason to believe that they would if it only moved 1 hour.
Not sure you got my point though. Starbucks has a supplier. They need to be on the same schedule as their supplier for deliveries to work. And that supplier supplies numerous other businesses.
You're right. I don't get your point. They are already supplying just fine. Starbucks already adjusts store hours seasonally, and they're not unique in this. It's not that complicated to work out.
Legitimately, after the first year, we'll all see that it's so much better that it's insane that we didn't do this sooner.
Bananas.
I tried to have the conversation of just doing away with time zones all together with my wife once. She could not understand that the number associated with when it gets daylight and when it gets dark is arbitrary. Instead of getting daylight around 6am it would be getting daylight around 10am (if we adopted UTC for example) or gets dark around midnight (12AM). The weird thing is she lived in Alaska far enough north that during the summer it didn’t even really get dark at night. I also wanted to talk about the alternative calendars like the IFC or the Gormanian but I’m pretty sure I would have broken her brain. She’s pretty sharp but apparently abstract thought about concrete things like dates and time are a bridge too far.
I get you and I've had similar thoughts for myself, but just want to make sure, you do realize that we're the weird ones here right?
Oh absolutely but it would make everything SOOO much simpler in the long run.
Everyone would get used to it.
We should all just use UTC. To be honest. It's not like noon has to be at 12'oclock everywhere.
Feel free. There's nothing stopping you.
The reason it's not feasible is because most human activity happens during the daylight hours. As such, having the unit of a "day" cover what's typically a day makes things easier.
For example, banks , businesses and schools need to have a unified schedule across a jurisdiction. If the jurisdiction specifies a utc offset that defines the official business day you just have a less coordinated timezone system.
You also make knowing roughly what part of the waking cycle other parts of the world are in much harder. Right now it's 0100 in utc-5. So it's 0800 in utc+2, and people are eating breakfast, at work, getting kids to school and so on. If I want to know that without timezones I need to know where they are on the planet and what the relevant legal jurisdiction has mandated as coordinated business time. That's effectively just a worse version of timezones.
The human conception of time is intrinsically linked to spatial location. Fighting that is just making it hard for no reason. What we need to do is stop fiddling with the time. No more (major) clock adjustments. Daylight savings only sucks because of the switch , so we should just pick one and stay.
I keep hearing this and can’t believe people are serious with this suggestion. In my mind it’s the most ridiculous solution to time tracking.
It would save me some trouble at work for sure. We have to match timezones and calculate utc from local timestamps for millions of transactions a day from across the country. If local time and timezone was just utc, that saves me the extra steps.
Though days suddenly get really messed up. It would be "tomorrow" in the east coast before it is even dark in the summer. And, worse, it would be "tomorrow" in Hawaii a bit after lunch. In a practical sense that just seems confusing and annoying, so maybe it's not the most practical outside of datetime data.
So is this making “spring forward” permanent, or “fall back” permanent?
spring forward
It’s making what it is now permanent. So it gets dark at like midnight almost.
No, it’s about eliminating those.
Edit: Not sure why the downvotes. It’s pretty clear that this would remove the twice-yearly changes.
China has one timezone for the whole country - even though it crosses multiple time zones and no daylight saving. It's that simple. When I lived in Australia, it was crazy. Some states had 30 minutes time difference.
Oh nice, the one good thing Marco Rubio ever stood up for has stayed a thing beyond his Senate term
Must be the desperation setting in lol
Good!
So in 7 years of office Trump and mooks have done two good things, this and hemp legalization.
Good to me, that is.
Wait this is Trump times, what will go wrong? I refuse to hope
Hemp legalization? The thing at risk in this year’s farm bill?
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Seems like a bad idea for such a wide country.
They aren't eliminating Time Zones, just Daylight Savings Time.
I think it's the height that's the real problem.
Closer to the poles you are the more important it is.
North/West vs South/East in each time zone
There are 4 time zones in the US
The more North/West you live in a time zone the more you hate DST. The more South/East you live the more you like DST.
If you live in blue you probably hate DST, yellow probably like DST
All stems from states like Michigan should be in CST not EST. If Michigan was in CST then permanent DST would make it EST and they would be in "standard" time still.
I need one of those "unpopular opinion" threads. I'm actually ok with it the way it is.
Why? There is literally no argument for changing. It was proposed originally in a work of SATIRE by Benjamin Franklin. The US adopted a policy out of a satirical work
I like having my daylight more centered in the day.