Swastika-waving neo-Nazi group disrupts Georgia LGBTQ+ Pride celebration
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There’s no such thing as murdering a Nazi. It’s always self defense.
We used to shoot Nazis on sight.
Amen.
Massive problems with this kind of statement. Dehumanization of any group shouldn’t be encouraged, it leads down a dangerous path.
Edit: “I thought they were a Nazi so I shot them.”
I’m not saying tolerate them, I’m saying dehumanization of any human isn’t acceptable. It’s kinda fucked that the reason y’all wanna dehumanize them is because they dehumanize others.
No one is dehumanizing them. They are humans. They happen to be humans whose beliefs and actions are an active harm to society and a threat to a large portion of the global population. So they should be removed. They aren't sub-human, they aren't bring targeted for being less than, they aren't being targeted because of race, ethnicity, orientation, religion, or anything like that. For society to grow and thrive they need to no longer be a part of society. How that happens is a judgment call, but it needs to happen.
I get what you’re saying, but stating that it is always acceptable kill a nazi no matter the situation is most definitely dehumanization. I’m not sure how you could twist it into anything else.
There are so many other ways to remove them from society that doesn’t include labeling someone as something and deciding it’s okay to kill them based on that label.
They labeled themselves. If someone admits to murder in a courtroom, and a judge sentences them to death is the judge dehumanizing the murderer? I don't think anyone would seriously make that claim.
These people are openly wearing the symbols of a regime that believed in the extermination of people for a random set of traits. They are openly espousing the hatred and beliefs that some people are lesser and should be exterminated still. So people are passing judgment. This does not dehumanize them, it holds them accountable for their actions.
And a person can absolutely come to the decision to kill another person while being fully aware and recognizing that persons humanity. It is just an incredibly awful thing to do. I still have zero compunction saying out and out Nazis should die.
The irony is that you can look at the responses to my comments, and see people quite literally say they aren’t human.
This is the problem with statements like the top level comment. You’re giving people permission to dehumanize another group.
And the “self label” isn’t even a good argument. You’re one step away from “they didn’t self label but look at what they believe”.
The solution to a Nazi walking into a bar is to kick their ass out, not shoot them in the head.
Edit: I want to clarify, my point with the “not just a self label” isn’t to say that someone can have Nazi beliefs without being a Nazi, it’s that the label can be applied by anyone to anyone when it’s convenient.
I'm one step away from nothing. They are literally displaying swastikas. And given the chance they would kill me. That is not acceptable. They cannot be tolerated.
Also saying someone lacks humanity isn't dehumanizing them, it is saying they lack empathy, goodwill, and traits required to be a contributing member of a healthy society. They mean different things.
Admittedly I overstated things when I said no one is dehumanizing them. People can be hateful. What I should have said is that isnt the majority, and dehumanizing someone isnt required for the belief that they should be killed.
You are giving them the same excuse.
We didn’t label them, they labeled themselves loudly and proudly as an imminent threat to anyone who is not them.
They labeled themselves. That's good enough for me.
you imply that to kills someone you have to dehumanize them? we collectively kill people, period. Always have and rarely but sometimes for good reasons be it a serial killer or a fascist oppressor. Some people just need to be removed and if there was a magic wand to wand them away to their own little space ships where they don't harm anyone we'd use that but the wand we have today is a prison cell, rehab program or a weapon.
Hard disagree. And that way of thinking is why we're in the mess we're in.
Can I ask, what is the root reason we hate Nazis? Because the main reason I can think of is that they dehumanize groups of people. Yes, they do tons of heinous shit, but it all boils down to “they aren’t human so it doesn’t matter.”
How is us dehumanizing them any different? Because we think our reason for dehumanizing them is correct? How does that make us any better?
Again, I am in no way saying we should be tolerating them. I’m saying we shouldn’t be dehumanizing them. There’s a chasm between those two points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Putting aside the fact that I explicitly and literally said “don’t tolerate them”, how exactly does “let’s not dehumanize people” turn into “tolerate them.”
I'll take the bait.
I'm struggling to separate the two. I have to dehumanize them to not tolerate them, because I love people and give them more chances than deserved in everyday life. To the point where my partner gets frustrated with me.
So, how do you define human? How are you defining dehumanizing? Because frankly, they deserve to be dehumanized because in my definition they are barely human and should be kicked out.
Just the plain old definitions of human and dehumanizing.
We don’t dehumanize murderers or rapists, but we certainly don’t tolerate them. How exactly is a Nazi such an extreme that the only way to not tolerate them is killing them?
Jesus fucking Christ.
I dunno man, personally I think shunning them, kicking them out of our establishments, severing ties with them, etc. is a much better solution than “oops I killed a Nazi but it’s okay they don’t count teehee”.
But Nazi’s don’t count.
THAT. DOES. NOT. FUCKING WORK.
You do the first till they start marching in the streets and intimidating minorities, then the second one is good to go.
This is the same thing as arguing that you’re a nazi if you’re vegetarian because Hitler was a vegetarian. Intention and context matters.
The root reason we hate nazis is the ideology of authoritarianism and theological views on hierarchy and superiority that makes them feel entitled to entirely eliminate the existence of others for reasons of misunderstanding genetics and entitlement issues. We hate them for what they choose to be. Nobody was born a nazi, it’s very much a choice, and very much a choice of pure and inarguable hatred.
They surrendered their humanity when they refused it to others, the response to that is not trying to coddle their lack of humanity, if they had that in them to begin with then they wouldn’t have ever been a nazi in the first place, especially at this point in history. They chose to be what they are and they are telling everyone exactly who they are, if you’re too stupid to believe them then that’s on you, naivety and morality aren't the same thing.
Nazis aren’t people, and you’re spewing the exact rhetoric they hope for from bleeding heart “humanitarians.”
That's why we need to be sure they're a Nazi, because choosing to be a Nazi IS a declaration of intent to commit genocide, and you can't not respond to that.
It's not dehumanization to recognize that the survival of humanity at large is dependent on striking down depraved groups like this who are opposed to fundamental cooperation and mutual respect and who instead seek total dominance. Because they're not targeted because of a simple preference, or what they're born as, or where, but because they have chosen such vile goals and to be such a great danger to the rest of us.
An example must be set so nobody else will dare to seek dominance because they will have seen what happens to somebody who organizes violence against the innocent. Aggression and instigation against innocent people has to end.
I feel the same way about this as I feel for the death penalty.
The number of people who look back at their life and seriously despise the person they used to be isn’t anywhere close to zero. Hell, look at the work of people like Daryl Davis if you need some actual proof that Nazis and white supremacists can be “brought back” from their extreme beliefs.
Knowing that some of these people can be shown the error of their ways, how is killing them the answer? Because it really just feels like the “easy and loud” solution that just begets more problems.
"aw guys I know they expressed a desire to murder us all for the color of our skin, but people can change!"
No.
I mean, people can change and some do and even go on to make a positive difference, but the overwhelming majority do not and therefore should be assumed they won't.
Don't even start with this "y so intolerant of intolerance?!?" BS. Tolerance is only a virtue when it's for inherent traits such as race, sex, gender, religion or culture. Not a full grown adult calling for the elimination of anyone they dislike. One is a human trait and the other is a choice to do evil.
Coming to the defense of nazis doesn't make you compassionate it makes you an accomplice to their inevitable violence. Fascism is an existential threat to civilization and these monsters are actively acting on their violent rhetoric.
-Dr. King
You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.
Not gonna lie, I don’t know how to respond when it’s obvious you didn’t actually read my comment.
Like it's a novel? 🙄 I read every one of your comments in this thread.
Frankly. I think you remaining speechless is for the best if you're clicked this thread and decide that those literally in the process of committing violent acts are the ones who need to be shielded. "Kicking them out of the bar" isn't a solution in the slightest and the more you double down the more I see just another Nazi sitting at their table.
More that you’re either not bothering to read or arguing against a straw man.
Whatever you got to tell yourself so you can justify ignoring critism. Not surprising, still disappointing.
Me: “I’m not saying tolerate them, I’m saying dehumanization of any human isn’t acceptable.”
You: “Why are you Defending Nazis?”
Your responses are so far removed from what I was saying that I can’t even take it as criticism, you’ve assigned me a position I didn’t take, and are trying to take me to task over it.
Good job man, you won the argument you’re having with yourself. Kudos.
"now now, let's hear them out, I mean all they want to do is enslave those damn [redacted] and torture those fairy [redacted], I mean really, we would be equally bad for shunning them and being mean :("
education in this country, this world, is lacking so much that some people are seriously making this argument. absolutely insane.
if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and proudly tells you that it's a nazi, you should probably treat it as it is a nazi.
The main person making that argument here eventually settled on, "people can change."
Makes me wonder why they're so upset about this Nazi killing talk... Maybe they used to be one? "Used to" maybe doing a bit of heavy lifting.
Paradox of tolerance
It’s right there dude.
"They go low we go high!"
This kind of cancerous thinking made people stop advocating for even stronger secularism, because the US had a "good christian" in the white house, so it's not religious fundamentalism that is the problem, but "fake christians" wanting to implement Project 2025.
I see what you're saying. Using the rhetoric of "There’s no such thing as murdering a [...]" is the same shit the Nazi said about Jews. I would rather take a nonviolent approach to this kind of thing, but as another person commented the paradox of tolerance can become a problem. I don't want to deal with Nazis. I don't want them in my community. They know they aren't welcome, so they hide, and only show their faces when they have strength to intimidate. But they're still here and they still teach hate wherever they go.
One of the things they did to indoctrinate people into Nazi ideology was to brainwash them as children. The Hitler Youth was a big driving part of his power. I think the first step to combat Nazi hate is to teach empathy first. There's a reason a lot of tattoo artists will do free cover-ups of hate symbols. People change; I want to believe people are inherently good. But until a Nazi sees how evil their beliefs are, they won't listen to reason and need to be treated as such: an evil bastard.
The man who seeks to subjugate, oppress, and destroy the lives of others will find no greater ally than the one he finds in "seekers" of peace.
The rational man is the first enemy of the people, and their expression of freedom.
Nazis aren’t human. Tagging you as Nazi simp.
"Nazis aren't human but we are" is how we got to the point of having Nazis everywhere again. It's this kind of thinking that makes people complacent. Nazis are ordinary humans, ordinary people. Becoming a Nazi is a thing regular people do. That's why Nazism is so dangerous. They're not weird monsters, they're regular humans acting as a poison in society. Every society should be on guard for signs that its people are turning Nazi.
Which isn't to say we should be gentle and tolerant towards these poisonous people. Left undealt with, Nazi poison will destroy everything. It has to be dealt with decisively, and when the government is full of Nazis it's up to the people to fight back.
what no, we have nazis again because rich racist billionaires want them and we stopped punch them in the face in public
Sorry I disagree with your sympathy for Nazis.
It's not sympathy. It's recognition that Nazism is a disease any society can succumb to. It's refusal to take the cheap option and say they're not human. Their being human is what makes Nazism so dangerous. And we probably agree that you can't pull punches in dealing with Nazis.
I suspect we're using the term "human" differently. In my book it's neutral: humanity means great potential for good and evil. Nazism is the great evil in humanity's potential. But by "human" people sometimes mean to focus on what makes us capable of compassion and selflessness and not just brutes. There's none of that in Nazism: it's sheer brutality and selfishness. So in that sense Nazis do lack humanity.
I reject your claim that I'm sympathetic to Nazis. There's no sympathy for Nazis here, just a recognition of how deeply dangerous Nazism is.
We both disagree with each other. My views have not changed.
Hey man, I also don’t agree with the death penalty, so you might wanna revise that tag to include murderes, rapists, and anything else you can think of.
Yes I understand who you are entirely and I think you’re sick.
lol
"I thought" except they showed up with tattoos, flags, uniforms and spewing hate. You didn't need to think that's just a convenient semantic you included. This is bait.
It's crazy that a group can't have a celebration saying something along the lines of "we like who we are!" without another group saying "no, you shouldn't exist!" and seeing the confrontation covered in media as if they are just two different sides of a coin.
Because we aren’t countering with militant leftist groups. The media works for the pedophile class. Follow the money. They need these fascist militants groups to preserve the status quo and growing disenfranchisement of the working class.
Are you not aware of the terrorist group known as Antifa? /s
I painted this about it
No fucking way, we love this so much
Thank you
Some of us are, when we can. Black Panther inspired open carry groups reemerged in Philly, but just like in California in the 80s, once 2A embracing black people start carrying legally, the powers that be change the rules.
During the height of BLM we had a crew that legally carried during our nightly marches around town and during rallies because the counter-protestors showed up in droves dressed like Gravy Seals. Cops hounded us repeatedly despite consistent proof we within our rights; their team brandished and popped off “oops my safety was off” shots without consequences. I think the only reason they didn’t rewrite the rules is because I live in a red state with incredibly lax firearms laws and there’s no way to target one political group without hitting everyone, yet.
And then there’s the problem of liberalism and Democrats. They’ve made gun control a hardline stance for years, and while there is a gun violence problem in the US, they’ve vilified the idea of “gun”, their supporters cling to notions that any form of militia-style open carry or organization is inherently violent, and have crafted legislation that makes it easy for corrupt and biased law enforcement and courts to turn against their political enemies while ignoring their own team.
I get that going out to a protest, parade, or rally and seeing someone carry even if you know they’re there to support your cause can be nerve wracking because you never know if they take firearms ownership seriously or just bought it last week and have no idea what they’re doing. It has been nice to see the rise of leftist, queer, and women’s training groups rise, we’re just really behind the curve when it comes to matching the far right when it comes to projecting the image. And that’s what 90% of it is, not that it’s a threat or promise of violence, it’s just a reminder that if they want to come in with bluster and a threat of violence it can and will be matched in defense of our own.
These are all true but it doesn’t change the fact that having armed militias groups on the left will have to be part of a multilateral approach to reforming our government away from fascism
You don’t have to convince me, I’ve been armed for 30yrs. No armed militia is going to match the US military if the regime decides to unleash that on it’s own population, but matching what the right has been building for decades is going to require continued effort to deconstruct liberal/democrat ideas about the purpose of guns/militas and community defense. I think we’ve got momentum on that, we just can’t forget that the gun laws currently in place will perpetually abused to disarm us while go unenforced against their own.
Agreed as my democratic family (on both sides) has always been aware that the second amendment was of great importance. but I don’t think that everyone necessarily needs to be armed. I think the peaceful protest approach is absolutely vital but we just need to start adding more intimidating factions within the movement to actually force the fascists from destroying our liberties. I don’t know if you have time but this documentary is worth a watch. https://youtu.be/r7dNLt5mC1A
It feels like it’s got worse over time too. Though I guess with Drumph in the white house it was bound to happen.
That guy needs to go back to Africa
I think he needs to go into a bunker
Lucky for them we aren't psychotic enough to drive a car through a group of strangers.
I like how they advertise being pieces of shit. That'll remain if we ever get back to a proper society.
And now for the part I post every time:
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Like personally I wouldn't drive a car through them for the simple fact of mass, a tank or a even a bulldoze though? Absolutely. I know all I need to when they start waving their flag about, same goes for the fucking Christian flag mind you.
Only reason I don't is that I don't think I could get away with it, survival instincts conflicting with morality and all that.
Plot twist: you just ran over a group of hippies on a parade following their Indian guru
While white nationalist are infiltrating counter cultures, they don't mimic Hindu iconography.
If they're out in full force its time to put them down. Shit, its too late and you need to work double time.
Anyone who uses Nazis for their own goals are Nazis themselves, same solution to them. Its simple. Repeat until the world is devoid of Nazis and then apologize to the Soviets for not listening to them the first time and letting them fester.
See now this is why federated social will win; you can talk about shooting nazis like a decent person without somebody wielding the cudgel of summary banishment on the grounds of “tone policing” .
Fuck these skinhead assholes.
These days in the states she would get sent away for life or deported to who knows where for assaulting him.
Let that be a lesson, unless it’s filled with bricks, use something more effective than a purse to strike a nazi. If you’re in for a penny then you’re in for a pound, at that point, why not use a lead pipe or a baseball bat?
Maybe. You still have to be convicted by a jury of your peers. In some areas, you might be safe. Like the sandwich throwing guy, the jury might decide to tell the government to fuck off. Another example, but bad, is Rittenhouse. It turns out you can get away with murder if you're able to get a sympathetic jury.
People in this thread: "but why did she have to hit him???"
I'm just sayin.
We, as a species, have flamethrowers.. for a reason.
Why have flammenwerfer if not to werfer flammen?
the only good nazi is a dead one
Or a reformed on, if you can actually trust that they changed.
"Don't shoot let 'em burn!!"
because crime against humanity?
the crime against humanity is letting these people live and spread.
I mean if the goal is to not let thrm spread, there are more efficient ways of killing them, flamethrowers are mostly torture, and torture is not only slower but it also wastes more resources until they die.
The people still willing and capable of using them on other humans are all with the Nazis. It's kind of a defining characteristic.
Most solved murders are solved because the murderer has some sort of personal or professional relationship to the victim(s).
That being said, roughly half of all US murders go unsolved.
A beater AR-15 can be had for less than a game console.
Huh, three random unconnected facts.
Also, I'm assuming the cops all ID'ed the ones that were showing their faces.
Right?
They already have that list. It's labeled "Payroll"
Yeah it was weird, they didn't even need the face recognition tech, but instantly knew their nick names and kept saying "that crazy bastard".
Some of those that work forces?
The cops were busy being part of the disruption.
I hate illinoise nazis
*-*blues brothers
Gay CHILD porn you mean. Every fucking Nazi also turns out to be a pedophile.
Now, now... let's not get too upset. They have freedom of speech /s
Seriously though, will these men really see no legal consequence? In Romania there's laws against wearing fascist symbols in public. There's laws against the whole ideology.
Laws in the US only apply to the poor, coloured, or both.
Roger that ☹️
That thumbnail photo just reminded me. I need to play Wolfenstein: The New Colossus again
It’s hilarious how the Germans are disgusted by the dumbass Klan members for butchering German.
Was thinking sniper elite.
A really cathartic game at the moment.
Was it good?
I loved the original, but the reboots just didn't hold my interest
The original what? Castle Wolfenstein? Wolfenstein 3D? Return to Castle Wolfenstein? lol
Yes, The New Order, The Old Blood, and The New Colossus are truly magnificent games. Super cinematic, brutal games with great FPS mechanics. Before DOOM 2016 came out I thought they were the best rendition of a modern version of DOOM.
It’s a big plus if you like the simulated feeling of killing nazis, because these games let you do it in the most satisfying ways.
I didn't care for the first one much. The story was alright, and the FPS mechanics were good, but the game felt fairly boring after a little bit. I felt the same way about the modern Doom games. They're competent, but they get boring fast. I think the issue is there's just no friction. They're too smooth.
Wolfenstein 3D.
Cinematic was a good way to describe the reboots. I didn't like it.
I had to click the article to see if said neo-nazi group was the GOP or a different one.
Once again, the manly macho he-men with the super-T on the right wing are weirdly fixated on Teh Ghey.
Gee, wonder why.
Where are the militant leftist groups?
Theyre now labeled as terrorists by the federal government.🤷
Always have been. COINTELPRO, McCarthyism, lavender scare, red scare, ect
Too busy stroking their egos on X about how good of a job they did preventing Harris because of "genocide."
I'm annoyed about the image the website used. It's from an unrelated rally from 2023. And more importantly, it reinforces the "strongman" image that they cosplay.
A screenshot from the videos is more representative. Walking in a sad attempt at a parade line, we see a small group of what the manosphere would label betas.
They wear their daddy issues all over their body.
They call them fuhrer issues.
Unfortunately many weird little guys will see that photo in the thumbnail and think it's like cinematic drama, it looks like a propaganda still.
not a cool or good photo
So a bunch of dudes decided to dress up in matching outfits and attend a pride event together.. hmmm
(this is the other Georgia)
This is about the state in the US (Athens is a city in the US State of Georgia)
Yes. I thought of the country at first. Also there is a Georgia as well.
I wasn't sure which one was the "other" one to you so I thought I would clarify
Now now, they were actually just Southern Poverty Law Center employees.
A Nazi is like a Donald Trump type person that didn't get their way and are acting out.
How long until America tells Georgia they have seceded from the union successfully and they don't want them back?
The master baiters people. That bald shrub looks like a bottom bitch for sure.
/c/beholdthemasterrace
When I was in middle school, a kid in my class named Greg would always add the nickname "The Hammer" to anyone he picked to be on his floor hockey team in Phys ED.
"OK. I pick, Terd 'The Hammer' Ferguson, for Defense"
I remember you, Greg.
Fuck this small-balls Nazi dildo, though. Cringe edge lord.
Might have been an homage to the infamous Dave Schultz of the Broad St. Bullies
I'm kinda curious how many MAGA and Blue Line flags were mixed in there
pretty sure Georgia is one of those masking-is-illegal jurisdictions.
Yeah mate, I don't think you'll avoid genocide with more genocide. I'm not saying turn the other cheek but the rage can't be blind
Plenty of fascists have families that are normal
And it makes no sense to punish someone's relatives for anything they do unless the relatives helped them or hid them in some way
Families are not hive minds. Every time an election comes around the whole internet is full of stories from people trying to convince their relatives to vote responsibly
Sure pawpaw, here is your pill.
Stay divided. Let the oligarchs win.
All the best divisive groups and agent provocateurs to divide you by.
Genuinely, what the fuck are you even trying to say here?
I'm not going to extend the hand of friendship to someone who wants me and 2/3rds of my family and friends dead just because they aren't oligarchs.
Ah well. It's been working well for at least one fella.
Oh fuck of with this. This isn't an argument in your favour.
Happy to hear any refutation.
No you aren't. You started with a flase premise and seem to think you have to only answer.
If you think you're right, go be about it. Be an example.
Adhominous contradiction falls a little short of refutation, but maybe you've something there but did not share it because you believe your assertion, contrary to my invite, that I'm not happy to hear any refutation.
Where?
That's amusing. If you're willing to entertain the idea, ... that sounds like projecting, contrary to the present evidence. Me with an open invitation to more perspectives, and you seeming to bark that down in apparent certainty to know otherwise.
Implying I'm not walking the talk? Right now? Please do help make that clear where there's grit in my eye, or what's in my blind spot, because I'm only seeing as far as I'm seeing, and so merely alluding to there being something falling short in some way, is of null benefit, without saying what it is. Otherwise... kinda just looks like narcissistic insecurity attacking others with pompous airs of superior virtue thinly veiled over gaslighting and misdirection.
I don't think I'm right. That's the point. Humility avails curiosity. Ride it long enough, enough discoveries come to dispel certainty, especially naive realism. Or so says my naive ascertainment thus far. Exceptions abound, to every premature generalisation. And isn't that all we ever have? And there's always more?
That's a lot of words to say nothing.
?
The oligarchs are the Nazis. The bourgeoisie bankroll Nazi ideology. Fascism is a pillar of capitalism. We are all unified against Nazis.
Not everything is a false flag. There really are people like that.
And they're easily roused and deployed.