I just read a book called Lost in School by Ross Greene that proposes teaching emotional and behavioral skills like regulating your emotions in school. The idea is that it will lead indirect positive effects on things like scholastic results, aside from the direct benefits. It's without a doubt the best course literature I've read.
In math class when learning statistics we learned "the law of large numbers" , how with enough samples the average approaches the probability. Then applied it to two real world examples, gambling (lottery and roulette) and insurance. The math was the same, and the house always wins because the house deals in large numbers.
The takeaway is that gambling is stupid because the house always wins.
But also, statistics do not apply to individuals, so insurance is not stupid. At least not for life-altering expenses, like home, medical and traffic.
Just for a simple tiblit: House always wins in roulette because if you bet every number your win will be 1-2-3 tokens short. Depends on 0/00/000 tables.
There is no hidden cheat in it.
The only fair bet in a casino is the odds on the craps. But you have to be already in with a disadvantageous bet: Come/Dont come.
That being agreeable is one of the greatest cheats in life. No matter how much you know on something, or how smart you are, if your personality sucks you won't get very far.
So many talented and skilled people I know failed because they just would not work with other people very well. It's extremely rare to be an individual talent skilled enough to overcome that barrier, so at least work on yourself a little bit so you don't die from pride.
This one goes way farther than people realize. My father built a great career as an engineer with a large network of people who would hire him in an instant. He's just nice, polite, and helps the people around him.
I'm very similar to him and it's worked very well for me too. I might be stupid as fuck sometimes, but I own it and I'm nice. I'm somewhat early in my career but I can already see what my behavior gets me.
So many daily small thzate kinda impossible to teach a whole class, but are easy to teach a single child (source: I work in a school):
reading the clock. May sound weird, but some kids get it really early and quickly, some take more time. Thus pretty frustrating to teach the whole class
tying shoes (I know too many kids with 8 or 9 years old who can't tie a knot, shoes are a good starter)
generally small motor skills (crafts, crochet, weaving, whatever you want...)
And the one thing that school cannot teach and is also very difficult for parents: questioning authority
Small motor skills - you know what’s SUPER good at teaching this? Writing in cursive, it’s why it needs to stay in schools.
All the things listed are also easily teachable to groups - group exercises/worksheets and practice for clocks, tying shoes used to be considered standard to be taught at preschool/kindergarten it’s a matter of practice and cursive
What's your experience with groups of children? You can show stuff. But repetition and practice are not a great thing in a school setting. That needs to happen outside of school.
I've worked with far over thousand kids and worked in elementary schools for over 10 years now.
Yes you can "teach" the things. But the kids need time and space for their own pace at repeating and practicing them
My mom was an early education teacher for over 30 years and this is all stuff she taught, she didn’t do cursive because that starts in second grade but letters, numbers, clocks, tying shoes/learning buttons, reading, zippers etc etc etc are all early educational norms. Granted I wasn’t the teacher but I was involved in it and helped her do her yearly syllabus and helped with in class projects etc.
It needs to happen inside and outside school. The issue is we don’t give teachers any authority and we don’t give parents any time to parent their kids.
Wouldn't it be better to have affordable delivery food? Cooks focus on the cooking, regular people won't have to spend so much time learning and doing cooking, and focus on their own work/play
A human is not an ant! We don’t have to specialize THAT hard! A person should be able to read, cook, clean, do laundry, hammer a nail, screw a screw, paint a picture, and write a poem, at the very least.
that list feels a bit outdated. What about write a simple program? Make basic 3d models and 3d prints? Some photography and video editing. Design a simple website. Even if you aren't a tiktoker, these are fairly essential skills in the modern world. And if we're throwing in poetry and painting, might as well throw in music, sports, sewing, gardening.
I'm not saying humans should specialize on a single skill. I just think people should be able to choose not to cook in favor of learning other skills. At a certain point, society should reach a point where somebody can say "I don't need a kitchen in my house, I'll just eat out all the time".
The problem with your argument is that humans need to eat somewhere between 2 and 5 times a day. Nothing else on your list comes anywhere close to that level of frequency or importance. Just because you learn how to cook doesn't mean you have to cook every meal either. You should still just know how to do it.
That being said, there is an economic line where this matters. If you make $100 an hour, and have the opportunity to work overtime, cooking is a waste of your time unless you're batch cooking or just doing it for enjoyment. However, If you're making $12 an hour, the time cooking likely saves you more money than you would make working and then using that to pay for meals out. The actual tipping point will change depending on your wage and the cost of food.
I'm a bit of a wierdo in this, I have not once in my almost 40 years of life ever ordered food delivered to me. I've gone out to eat, I've picked up takeout myself, but I have never had food delivered to my home. I make enough for that to make sense, but I just don't.
But we also need to go to the toilet a few times a day. Doesn't mean everybody should do some plumbling. Why can't food be treated like a utility, like electricity and water?
The answer to that is yes... Everyone should be able to do a little bit of plumbing.
However you don't need to a plumber every time you use the toilet so that's a bad example.
The concern is scale, Someone cooks your food every time you eat. One person can only cook for a limited number of humans. It only takes a dozen people to actively provide water to every house in a city.
I teach all of my kids that "no" is a complete sentence. I want them to be very conscious of consent, but I also want them all to respect their own wishes.
Unrelated, I also teach them all how to throw a good punch and keep their god damned hands up and chin down as soon as I think they have enough self control not to abuse it.
The easiest but most tricky way is through paranoia. It's easier to look at the bigger picture of whatever you're presented with if you always doubt the intentions of the one doing the presenting. Of course that could backfire by then doubting subject matter experts like doctors and physicists and end up becoming antivaxxers or flat earthers.
In my case social skills. I was the typical nerd. About 10 years after I finished school I figured out I could learn to get along better with people just like I learnt how to do complicated maths.
Schools are obsessed with academics because they tend to be more easily measurable. Therefore, they are spending less time building character, morals, and thinking skills. Teaching them how to be a good person is more important than ever.
(i actually took AP Stats and learned a good deal more than that)
But many, many do not.
And it is of vital importance that that anyone in this ... final stage capitalist / technofeudal dystopia understand it well.
The US education system at least has fallen off a goddamned cliff, average kid is now 3 years behind grade level in literacy, I think its similar with numeracy.
Shits gettin' real bad, really fast... if you have kids, you need to make sure they understand compound interest.
How life works in general, things that you're required to do or expected to understand as an adult. For example, different types of bank accounts, credit card fees, how credit scores work and what they're used for, how government and elections work and how these impact people's actual lives (beyond just submitting your vote and naming the branches of government), how to read a food label and why they should (this might get a small section in health class), how health insurance works, etc.
Basically just how our society is structured and what that means for the individual.
More for people entering adulthood, but one thing school life never taught me was how to deal with uncertainty and structurelessness. How to keep moving when you don't know where you're going.
Structure for my personal life at every level is still a skill I'm struggling with at age 45.
I feel like if I had been taught to plan my day and held accountable for it at an early age, it would come much more natural to me now at the micro and macro level.
Instead I just blame my lack of ability to organize on my work schedule, which truthfully only fluctuates by a couple hours at most.
It took me years to notice that I was spending much of my free time on 'stretchy' activities that stretched to expand whatever amount of time I had free. Turned out that they were dopamine traps and I have ADHD
Heck I still barely have skills in these sets. My cooking is really basic, my cleaning is likely not every efficient and what is took me years to get, and I muddle through repairs.
More important than ever: media literacy (and critical thinking).
While it seems the theory and application is taught in school nowadays, i think it's mostly about keeping the critical thinking going every time you hear news or any information especially from friends and family.
We tend to believe stupid things if people we trust tell us. And if you have the foundations of critical thinking since your childhood it's much easier to accept that your thinking is / was wrong and change it. There are enough people whose mind can't be changed even with evidence or good reasoning.
Talking with children about why something is communicated the way it is, which parts can be trusted and which not, which problems it has and so on is very important. And especially not focusing on your own political / moral / religious view in those situations. You love religion X? Don't believe everything they say just because of that. You hate political party Y? Don't think everything they say is automatically a lie just because of that.
teach them what money means and what their time is worth
philosophy
teach them about multifaceted perspectives, there isn't good vs evil but multiple shades of gray
resiliency
impose upon them that failure only happens when you learn nothing from your mistakes, everything else is just a setback
health and medical
teach them about their body, what it means to eat nutrient rich meals, and first aid
self-reliance
when you're the only person with a clue, you're your only hope, be your own advocate and rely on your own skills and judgment
all the other things like ethics, empathy, emotional IQ, constructive thought, etc will fall into place with a basic understanding of the above. the point is to challenge them and provide a support system for when they fall.
Financial literacy and responsibility, life skills: laundry, dishes, vacuuming, hygiene, cooking and recipe reading. General well being, teach them to be somewhat physical regularly and exercise with them to promote it more so.
Real history that explains how existing power structures came to exist. Not the bullshit history that schools teach, which is just wrote memorization and usually ignorant of the most important themes of class struggle.
“The schools we go to are reflections of the society that created them. Nobody is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them. Nobody is going to teach you your true history, teach you your true heroes, if they know that that knowledge will help set you free.” -Assata Shakur
As a teacher for a decade. Read a clock, understand geography, science activities, history activities. We teach out of a manual now, and it's all so the admins can jerk off to higher scores for ELA and Math.
Also, actual history and current events. Holy shit US history classes are bad. Even AP history barely touches on the political concepts that are the backbone of the subject. It's all war war battles dates war.
I kinda disagree. I'd even say that's the main thing that kids are supposed to learn especially in elementary school. Social skills and behaviour are the things that are great to teach in groups. Not so great at home with 1-3 kids
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army.
I'd say argumentation. How to structure and analyse an argument, find flaws and questioning ideas.
I would have also said "proper source finding and research", "how to analyse a texts" and "cooking/diet" but thinking back, that was taught or atleast attempted but not done in a way that i understood its intend and reason until now. These also are probably only done in my country/state/school and due to my teachers
Resiliency. From a military perspective, if you care, I was told that generals are complaining about a lack of resiliency. People go to boot camp and make a mistake but they don't have the resiliency to fix their mistake and move on.
I think it comes from parents not wanting their kids to go through any bad experiences. They need to get comfortable being uncomfortable. I have noticed it with my family, but I don't have any kids so who am I to make judgements.
elementary logic like what is used in the clues by sam game does not take massive knowledge of other subjects at a high level yet only some colleges require it so even like a PhD can go through life without ever having had a course in it. Its maybe a bit easier to explain when they have been through things like algebra where math is a bit more abstracted. Still its easy enough to play the game with them and explain why a particular square must be a particular way. Its also good in that you can say you know I can't figure out this one so lets get the clue and show that its an important thing but you know its not easy. So it is this wierd subject that is basic enough to engage with a child on it but advanced enough to never really master it. I guess in some ways that makes it like chess.
probably doing thier taxes, getting jobs and look at the job markets for many industries, something Public schools and even colleges are allergic to even discussing about. additionally, getting participation grades will not help you succeed in college, which is partially the k-12 districts fault, because students bring in the assumption that they will get easy As,Bs in certain college courses only to wash out even from CC. also discussing how military recruiters lurk around schools or public places to prey on the disadvantaged.
I don't know what a better word would be.
I'm not talking about making some self sustaining homestead or whatever, just the act of creating, building, repairing or designing something without having a guide to tell you how to do it.
You know, "draw the rest of the owl", but I'm dead serious. Just draw that fucking owl. You don't need someone to show you how or to guide your hand through all the steps.
These are NOT things to teach to children! And certainly not in a classroom environment. Sexuality is a delicate topic, every person needs to discover & learn about their sexuality at their own pace. I was a teenage girl and would be completely destroyed if I was going about my happy normal life full of studying & dance class & cross country training, then an adult presents me with sex toys?! That is borderline grooming & intrusive.
Do not interfere with children's sexual development. That is their own business. Because if you do, they're going to picture YOUR face every time that topic arises in their life. Is that what you want?! Hopefully NOT. If you want them to develop in a healthy manner, stay out of children's sexual development. Everyone stumbles upon everything they wish to know as they go through life.
You even said you're not a parent and never plan to be. So please stay in your lane. After all the things you wrote up there it makes me think you wish you had more sexual guidance growing up, so now you're projecting your advanced adult knowledge onto everyone else, but you're going way too far.
For anyone who is a parent, this is how it should go: Open a basic dialogue with your child, give them the basic mechanical facts when they're ready/interested, let them know you're always available for questions but other than that, respect their space to grow and learn at their own pace.
Would have been very nice to be told about "hey there is more than just gay and straight" in school for me because then i wouldnt had to learn it threw an indian guy i randomly met online. And lots things made more sense. If you grow up rural and conservative there is basicly no chance you encounter anything outside your bubble and stereotypes.
Also sex stuff SHOULD be taught to children. Because it is also about puberty which children go threw and they need to know what is going on. Children have a right for good and the same quality of education across the board for all.
Everyone stumbles upon everything they wish to know as they go threw life
This could not be further from the truth. Example me, i am bisexual. But did not know that was a thing until covid. And only threw covid i spend lots of time online which brought me to this guy who was bisexual and who explained it to me. That then led me to break out of the faar right bubble i was in, toxic friends and in the end to a much healthier and happier life with my partner.
that is borderline grooming
Explaining to kids how a baby is made, the cell development/pregnancy, how their bodys work and which part does what, how to use and what type of contreceptions there are, how they work and their risks aso, about STDs, telling them about different sexualities and gender identities and that it is okay whom ever they love, and masturbation is normal and not shameful, is not grooming not in the slightes! Its health education.
Its also not interfearing into their development, not in the slightest.
I doubt many parents can or even want to explain genetics, hormons, DNA, STDs, cell development of an fertalised egg from fertalisation to brith of the baby, contreception aso to their children.
Sexual education statisticly prevents unwanted teen pregnancy which often ruins a teens life.
They are going to picture your face every time that topic arises
That honestly says more about yourself than you think it does.
I said that in response to the lady who said that if she had a daughter she would give her dildos & lube!
Can you imagine if your mom or dad gave you sex toys!?
Do you have any gifts laying around your house and whenever you look at them you remember & picture the face of who gave them to you? Yeah that's what I mean.
It would be destructive to the mental & emotional & sexual development of a girl whose MOM GAVE HER A DILDO. 🤮
Parents, do not give your kids sex toys. If they reach a level of maturity and they get to the point that they want sex toys, they will find a way to get them on their own, with no correlation to mom 🤮
Very true. Since it probably wasn't clear, that wasn't me trying to talk shit about the culinary skills of lunch ladies so much as situations like this. But in retrospect, this is probably not the thread for that discussion anyway.
Hide your work and hide it's effects. Anything others can see is a weakness. Government can only tax you on what you earn officially, only things you show can be stolen etc. If you are having a good time it is in your best interest than nobody, except people you are having this good time with, know about it.
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Emotional regulation and understanding. Most people never learn this either at schools or elsewhere.
This. Mindfulness and meta-learning are the number one skill.
Came here for this
I just read a book called Lost in School by Ross Greene that proposes teaching emotional and behavioral skills like regulating your emotions in school. The idea is that it will lead indirect positive effects on things like scholastic results, aside from the direct benefits. It's without a doubt the best course literature I've read.
The importance of savings and investments, especially when you're young.
And also that it's okay not to like someone, but really fucking not okay to make you not liking someone the other person's problem.
One more vote financial literacy.
Credit wcore, how loans and credit cards work.
And knowing gambling only works for the House.
In math class when learning statistics we learned "the law of large numbers" , how with enough samples the average approaches the probability. Then applied it to two real world examples, gambling (lottery and roulette) and insurance. The math was the same, and the house always wins because the house deals in large numbers.
The takeaway is that gambling is stupid because the house always wins.
But also, statistics do not apply to individuals, so insurance is not stupid. At least not for life-altering expenses, like home, medical and traffic.
Just for a simple tiblit: House always wins in roulette because if you bet every number your win will be 1-2-3 tokens short. Depends on 0/00/000 tables.
There is no hidden cheat in it.
The only fair bet in a casino is the odds on the craps. But you have to be already in with a disadvantageous bet: Come/Dont come.
That being agreeable is one of the greatest cheats in life. No matter how much you know on something, or how smart you are, if your personality sucks you won't get very far.
So many talented and skilled people I know failed because they just would not work with other people very well. It's extremely rare to be an individual talent skilled enough to overcome that barrier, so at least work on yourself a little bit so you don't die from pride.
This one goes way farther than people realize. My father built a great career as an engineer with a large network of people who would hire him in an instant. He's just nice, polite, and helps the people around him.
I'm very similar to him and it's worked very well for me too. I might be stupid as fuck sometimes, but I own it and I'm nice. I'm somewhat early in my career but I can already see what my behavior gets me.
Oh yeah being a friendly and helpful engineer sets you apart lol. It's done great things for me
So many daily small thzate kinda impossible to teach a whole class, but are easy to teach a single child (source: I work in a school):
And the one thing that school cannot teach and is also very difficult for parents: questioning authority
Parent: make sure to question authority
Kid: why?
Parent: listen here you little shit...
Small motor skills - you know what’s SUPER good at teaching this? Writing in cursive, it’s why it needs to stay in schools.
All the things listed are also easily teachable to groups - group exercises/worksheets and practice for clocks, tying shoes used to be considered standard to be taught at preschool/kindergarten it’s a matter of practice and cursive
What's your experience with groups of children? You can show stuff. But repetition and practice are not a great thing in a school setting. That needs to happen outside of school. I've worked with far over thousand kids and worked in elementary schools for over 10 years now. Yes you can "teach" the things. But the kids need time and space for their own pace at repeating and practicing them
My mom was an early education teacher for over 30 years and this is all stuff she taught, she didn’t do cursive because that starts in second grade but letters, numbers, clocks, tying shoes/learning buttons, reading, zippers etc etc etc are all early educational norms. Granted I wasn’t the teacher but I was involved in it and helped her do her yearly syllabus and helped with in class projects etc.
It needs to happen inside and outside school. The issue is we don’t give teachers any authority and we don’t give parents any time to parent their kids.
I'd widen it to: questioning ideals and argumentation
Cooking, each generation is losing the skill.
I got taught that in school as well as all the basic nutritin stuff
Wouldn't it be better to have affordable delivery food? Cooks focus on the cooking, regular people won't have to spend so much time learning and doing cooking, and focus on their own work/play
A human is not an ant! We don’t have to specialize THAT hard! A person should be able to read, cook, clean, do laundry, hammer a nail, screw a screw, paint a picture, and write a poem, at the very least.
that list feels a bit outdated. What about write a simple program? Make basic 3d models and 3d prints? Some photography and video editing. Design a simple website. Even if you aren't a tiktoker, these are fairly essential skills in the modern world. And if we're throwing in poetry and painting, might as well throw in music, sports, sewing, gardening.
I'm not saying humans should specialize on a single skill. I just think people should be able to choose not to cook in favor of learning other skills. At a certain point, society should reach a point where somebody can say "I don't need a kitchen in my house, I'll just eat out all the time".
The problem with your argument is that humans need to eat somewhere between 2 and 5 times a day. Nothing else on your list comes anywhere close to that level of frequency or importance. Just because you learn how to cook doesn't mean you have to cook every meal either. You should still just know how to do it.
That being said, there is an economic line where this matters. If you make $100 an hour, and have the opportunity to work overtime, cooking is a waste of your time unless you're batch cooking or just doing it for enjoyment. However, If you're making $12 an hour, the time cooking likely saves you more money than you would make working and then using that to pay for meals out. The actual tipping point will change depending on your wage and the cost of food.
I'm a bit of a wierdo in this, I have not once in my almost 40 years of life ever ordered food delivered to me. I've gone out to eat, I've picked up takeout myself, but I have never had food delivered to my home. I make enough for that to make sense, but I just don't.
But we also need to go to the toilet a few times a day. Doesn't mean everybody should do some plumbling. Why can't food be treated like a utility, like electricity and water?
The answer to that is yes... Everyone should be able to do a little bit of plumbing.
However you don't need to a plumber every time you use the toilet so that's a bad example.
The concern is scale, Someone cooks your food every time you eat. One person can only cook for a limited number of humans. It only takes a dozen people to actively provide water to every house in a city.
OK well if the concern is scale then I do think that is solvable. There is work being done to automate cooking more and more
Do not pay for drugs in advance.
Have to get the dealer to answer their phone first.
I teach all of my kids that "no" is a complete sentence. I want them to be very conscious of consent, but I also want them all to respect their own wishes.
Unrelated, I also teach them all how to throw a good punch and keep their god damned hands up and chin down as soon as I think they have enough self control not to abuse it.
'No' is grounds for suspension at Bede Polding College, Australia.
Obligatory fuck Catholic schools, and the fascist teachers running them.
Critical thinking skills - they’re actually very difficult to teach and constantly incorporating them into everyday life is super important
The easiest but most tricky way is through paranoia. It's easier to look at the bigger picture of whatever you're presented with if you always doubt the intentions of the one doing the presenting. Of course that could backfire by then doubting subject matter experts like doctors and physicists and end up becoming antivaxxers or flat earthers.
This is why teaching formal logic and basic philosophy should be right up there with critical thinking skills in general
In my case social skills. I was the typical nerd. About 10 years after I finished school I figured out I could learn to get along better with people just like I learnt how to do complicated maths.
Schools are obsessed with academics because they tend to be more easily measurable. Therefore, they are spending less time building character, morals, and thinking skills. Teaching them how to be a good person is more important than ever.
This.
and for elementary school
Compound Interest.
and
If it seems to good to be true, you're probably getting scammed.
You didn't learn compound interest in school?
I did.
(i actually took AP Stats and learned a good deal more than that)
But many, many do not.
And it is of vital importance that that anyone in this ... final stage capitalist / technofeudal dystopia understand it well.
The US education system at least has fallen off a goddamned cliff, average kid is now 3 years behind grade level in literacy, I think its similar with numeracy.
Shits gettin' real bad, really fast... if you have kids, you need to make sure they understand compound interest.
How to be kind.
How life works in general, things that you're required to do or expected to understand as an adult. For example, different types of bank accounts, credit card fees, how credit scores work and what they're used for, how government and elections work and how these impact people's actual lives (beyond just submitting your vote and naming the branches of government), how to read a food label and why they should (this might get a small section in health class), how health insurance works, etc.
Basically just how our society is structured and what that means for the individual.
More for people entering adulthood, but one thing school life never taught me was how to deal with uncertainty and structurelessness. How to keep moving when you don't know where you're going.
Structure for my personal life at every level is still a skill I'm struggling with at age 45.
I feel like if I had been taught to plan my day and held accountable for it at an early age, it would come much more natural to me now at the micro and macro level.
Instead I just blame my lack of ability to organize on my work schedule, which truthfully only fluctuates by a couple hours at most.
It took me years to notice that I was spending much of my free time on 'stretchy' activities that stretched to expand whatever amount of time I had free. Turned out that they were dopamine traps and I have ADHD
Cooking, efficient cleaning, basic repairs
Heck I still barely have skills in these sets. My cooking is really basic, my cleaning is likely not every efficient and what is took me years to get, and I muddle through repairs.
More important than ever: media literacy (and critical thinking).
While it seems the theory and application is taught in school nowadays, i think it's mostly about keeping the critical thinking going every time you hear news or any information especially from friends and family.
We tend to believe stupid things if people we trust tell us. And if you have the foundations of critical thinking since your childhood it's much easier to accept that your thinking is / was wrong and change it. There are enough people whose mind can't be changed even with evidence or good reasoning.
Talking with children about why something is communicated the way it is, which parts can be trusted and which not, which problems it has and so on is very important. And especially not focusing on your own political / moral / religious view in those situations. You love religion X? Don't believe everything they say just because of that. You hate political party Y? Don't think everything they say is automatically a lie just because of that.
all the other things like ethics, empathy, emotional IQ, constructive thought, etc will fall into place with a basic understanding of the above. the point is to challenge them and provide a support system for when they fall.
Financial literacy and responsibility, life skills: laundry, dishes, vacuuming, hygiene, cooking and recipe reading. General well being, teach them to be somewhat physical regularly and exercise with them to promote it more so.
That last part is essential. People learn much more habits from observing people than from being told. Best one can do is be a good role model.
Real history that explains how existing power structures came to exist. Not the bullshit history that schools teach, which is just wrote memorization and usually ignorant of the most important themes of class struggle.
“The schools we go to are reflections of the society that created them. Nobody is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them. Nobody is going to teach you your true history, teach you your true heroes, if they know that that knowledge will help set you free.” -Assata Shakur
As a teacher for a decade. Read a clock, understand geography, science activities, history activities. We teach out of a manual now, and it's all so the admins can jerk off to higher scores for ELA and Math.
Wait in some countrys learning to read clock isnt primary school material?
Media literacy, financial responsibility, mutual aid, critical thinking and critical analysis, reciprocity, playing music.
patience, empathy, and compound interest.
Consent
Perhaps ethics
Also help them figure out what the fuck is wrong with them before it destroys their life.
Morality, mostly. School is okay at teaching information, but is pretty bad at teaching behavior and mindset.
Also, actual history and current events. Holy shit US history classes are bad. Even AP history barely touches on the political concepts that are the backbone of the subject. It's all war war battles dates war.
I kinda disagree. I'd even say that's the main thing that kids are supposed to learn especially in elementary school. Social skills and behaviour are the things that are great to teach in groups. Not so great at home with 1-3 kids
True. I was thinking more along the lines of, school is bad at teaching it, so you might have to do it yourself.
How to protect your mate from a bear.
"Stop, drop and roll", I think. Makes sense, as your mate gets to run away.
Go for the jugular
I'd say argumentation. How to structure and analyse an argument, find flaws and questioning ideas.
I would have also said "proper source finding and research", "how to analyse a texts" and "cooking/diet" but thinking back, that was taught or atleast attempted but not done in a way that i understood its intend and reason until now. These also are probably only done in my country/state/school and due to my teachers
Git
If anyone is doing something that you don't like, or that hurts, you yell as loud as you can in your big girl/boy voice "stop that I don't like that"
You just made me appreciate how fortunate I am to never have been bullied in school. I had it coming for me as a neurodivergent
Resiliency. From a military perspective, if you care, I was told that generals are complaining about a lack of resiliency. People go to boot camp and make a mistake but they don't have the resiliency to fix their mistake and move on.
I think it comes from parents not wanting their kids to go through any bad experiences. They need to get comfortable being uncomfortable. I have noticed it with my family, but I don't have any kids so who am I to make judgements.
If you care what military generals say you lack resiliancy
Try to learn from anyone you can. Everyone has a life experience. Here's a book from an ex general that might help.
https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket/mode/1up
In U.S. public schools? How to read.
elementary logic like what is used in the clues by sam game does not take massive knowledge of other subjects at a high level yet only some colleges require it so even like a PhD can go through life without ever having had a course in it. Its maybe a bit easier to explain when they have been through things like algebra where math is a bit more abstracted. Still its easy enough to play the game with them and explain why a particular square must be a particular way. Its also good in that you can say you know I can't figure out this one so lets get the clue and show that its an important thing but you know its not easy. So it is this wierd subject that is basic enough to engage with a child on it but advanced enough to never really master it. I guess in some ways that makes it like chess.
US history of subjugation of brown people
probably doing thier taxes, getting jobs and look at the job markets for many industries, something Public schools and even colleges are allergic to even discussing about. additionally, getting participation grades will not help you succeed in college, which is partially the k-12 districts fault, because students bring in the assumption that they will get easy As,Bs in certain college courses only to wash out even from CC. also discussing how military recruiters lurk around schools or public places to prey on the disadvantaged.
Confidence in self-sustainability.
I don't know what a better word would be. I'm not talking about making some self sustaining homestead or whatever, just the act of creating, building, repairing or designing something without having a guide to tell you how to do it.
You know, "draw the rest of the owl", but I'm dead serious. Just draw that fucking owl. You don't need someone to show you how or to guide your hand through all the steps.
These are NOT things to teach to children! And certainly not in a classroom environment. Sexuality is a delicate topic, every person needs to discover & learn about their sexuality at their own pace. I was a teenage girl and would be completely destroyed if I was going about my happy normal life full of studying & dance class & cross country training, then an adult presents me with sex toys?! That is borderline grooming & intrusive.
Do not interfere with children's sexual development. That is their own business. Because if you do, they're going to picture YOUR face every time that topic arises in their life. Is that what you want?! Hopefully NOT. If you want them to develop in a healthy manner, stay out of children's sexual development. Everyone stumbles upon everything they wish to know as they go through life.
You even said you're not a parent and never plan to be. So please stay in your lane. After all the things you wrote up there it makes me think you wish you had more sexual guidance growing up, so now you're projecting your advanced adult knowledge onto everyone else, but you're going way too far.
For anyone who is a parent, this is how it should go: Open a basic dialogue with your child, give them the basic mechanical facts when they're ready/interested, let them know you're always available for questions but other than that, respect their space to grow and learn at their own pace.
Would have been very nice to be told about "hey there is more than just gay and straight" in school for me because then i wouldnt had to learn it threw an indian guy i randomly met online. And lots things made more sense. If you grow up rural and conservative there is basicly no chance you encounter anything outside your bubble and stereotypes.
Also sex stuff SHOULD be taught to children. Because it is also about puberty which children go threw and they need to know what is going on. Children have a right for good and the same quality of education across the board for all.
This could not be further from the truth. Example me, i am bisexual. But did not know that was a thing until covid. And only threw covid i spend lots of time online which brought me to this guy who was bisexual and who explained it to me. That then led me to break out of the faar right bubble i was in, toxic friends and in the end to a much healthier and happier life with my partner.
Explaining to kids how a baby is made, the cell development/pregnancy, how their bodys work and which part does what, how to use and what type of contreceptions there are, how they work and their risks aso, about STDs, telling them about different sexualities and gender identities and that it is okay whom ever they love, and masturbation is normal and not shameful, is not grooming not in the slightes! Its health education.
Its also not interfearing into their development, not in the slightest.
I doubt many parents can or even want to explain genetics, hormons, DNA, STDs, cell development of an fertalised egg from fertalisation to brith of the baby, contreception aso to their children. Sexual education statisticly prevents unwanted teen pregnancy which often ruins a teens life.
That honestly says more about yourself than you think it does.
I said that in response to the lady who said that if she had a daughter she would give her dildos & lube!
Can you imagine if your mom or dad gave you sex toys!?
Do you have any gifts laying around your house and whenever you look at them you remember & picture the face of who gave them to you? Yeah that's what I mean.
It would be destructive to the mental & emotional & sexual development of a girl whose MOM GAVE HER A DILDO. 🤮
Parents, do not give your kids sex toys. If they reach a level of maturity and they get to the point that they want sex toys, they will find a way to get them on their own, with no correlation to mom 🤮
Ah pardon, i didnt read the first comment properly. My bad. Its not grooming but i defenetly also disagree with the first comment
Food, in a lot of places.
...oh, you meant things they won't learn in school? My mistake.
Teaching kids that food they aren't used to can be good is legit one of the hardest things.
Very true. Since it probably wasn't clear, that wasn't me trying to talk shit about the culinary skills of lunch ladies so much as situations like this. But in retrospect, this is probably not the thread for that discussion anyway.
@gigastasio do you really need to send your child to school ?
Hide your work and hide it's effects. Anything others can see is a weakness. Government can only tax you on what you earn officially, only things you show can be stolen etc. If you are having a good time it is in your best interest than nobody, except people you are having this good time with, know about it.