I haven't watched newer works in the Star Wars franchise but in my opinion Star Wars doesn't qualify as science fiction but is more like a space fantasy story.
Science fiction is more like a thought experiment: What would happen if society or technology would develop in this or that way? That's what Star Trek is doing for the most part (at least the older installments).
Edit: To be clear: I am not saying, Star Wars is bad. It is obviously highly regarded for a good reason. Im just saying it's not science fiction.
Right, intelligent aliens communicating, governing, trading, and fighting alongside humans in interstellar wars with faster-than-light travel, space lasers, artificial intelligence, autonomous robots, planet-destroying superweapons, cybernetics, cloning, advanced prosthetics, and energy weapons does not qualify as science fiction because it also has mysticism, prophecy, telekinesis, and sword fights...
Nah that's not my point at all. I'm not saying all that space, alien and tech stuff doesn't qualify as sci-fi because of the mysticism/prophecy/magic. My point is that you could probably tell Star Wars' tale just as well without all those aspects in a traditional fantasy setting for example. Sci-fi, in my opinion, utilizes science or technology to start thought experiments and tell stories that wouldn't be possible.
Take for example "Do Androids dream of electric sheep?" (the book Bladerunner is based on): The story tackles the ethical question at which point an artificial lifeform can be considered a person and should be treated as such. This is classic sci-fi: Take a fictional advanced technology and discuss the ethical or societal problems that may result from this technology.
This is something at least classic Star Trek does quite often while most of Star Wars' technology could very well be replaced by fantasy elements without the underlying story being fundamentally different.
Grew up with Star Wars as I have an older brother who had IV-VI on VHS.
Later in life I found myself in a job that took me offshore without internet access, so I needed something to watch on my laptop. As I considered myself a geek, and having never watched Star Trek, I torrented all of star trek and brought it with me. I started with The Cage, went over to Original series, and so forth. Last I saw was Enterprise.
I like Lower Decks. But I wouldn't put it anywhere near the same tier in Star Trek relative to Andor in Star Wars. It's basically Memory Alpha: The Show. It's entertaining but it primarily serves as a vehicle for Easter eggs, references, cameos, and satire.
The characters and stories stand on their own. The jokes are great too, but ultimately, I care about the characters and their journeys as much as I cared about the TNG Enterprise crew.
We're not saying Star Trek is "supposed to be" a certain way, but we're still allowed to like or dislike it. I'm not one of these chuds who says DIS or LD or STA isn't "real Trek" or isn't canon, but I still don't love them.
The section from Andor to Return of the Jedi is the plateau of Star Wars. The rest have good parts, even great ones, but that stretch is the core.
Star Trek isn't as obvious, it's a scattershot of ups and down all the way through. Which is appropriate, as most of it is episodic with mainly references holding it together.
I don't have a strong preference. I'm just waiting for the Star Trek Wars, followed by the Star Wars Trek (when Star Trek wins the war and Star Wars is sent into exile).
Babylon 5, then Star Trek. I gave up on Star Wars by now. Recently tried to watch Andor S2 and eventually decided Star Wars wasn't worth my time anymore.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Andor S2's pacing at first, but after episode 3 or 5 it changes directors and returns to the tight pacing of season 1, and reaches some fantastic highs.
A video game series is only a sliver of the movies/tv show/comic books/games/conventions/embedded in social consciousness category that something like star wars and star trek are.
I need more context. when my wife and I were doing the cryptic mmo's we would talk about how star trek was the fantasy world you would actually want to live in. Especially as a general person and not a significant figure or such. Now movie wise there is more star wars I would want to watch over star trek but I think my favorite ones might be trek. Series wise there is more trek I would want to watch over wars. Both have been enshitified like almost all ips now a days.
I won't argue that both have released some superfluous cash-in content, but can you really say that they've enshitified when we also get stuff like Lower Decks and Andor?
Both have produced mixed content, but they've also each released some of their best entries during the last five years.
Lower decks is kinda an easy win though as its not played out concept wise. I honestly have not seen andor being that its hard for them to get my eyeballs at this point. I have only even seen like a season or so of lower decks but I will likely eventually see it as I have motivation for it. Star wars wise im not super hyped by anything other than the original trilogy. Its like you kick out the first movie time wise and throw in the clone wars cartoon and thats alright (not psyched up but not bad) and Im kinda back and forth on rogue one but the mandolorian was like the thing that most excited me in awhile but honestly its kinda hard to say how much was just a thirst for good ole straight forward action.
SW is a shadow of Dune (and a Vietnam war allegory?) with as much substance as one, and they stretched that nothingness way too much with new movies and shows of the IP. Old Trek had, at least, a pro-life, hopeful, morally upright vibe to it, so it gets my vote. 👍
I was in the trek camp when I was younger. But from a story perspective i think the episodic TV has aged poorly and the movies are just double episodes of TV. (This applies to Stargate too, for me.)
Theres something to be said about the social commentary certainly but meh.
Star Wars remains awful but at least it has entertaining aspects; it’s like the Marvel franchise now. Boom, explosion, wow. Though - Marvel has too much in the Team America Saves the World aspect (much like SG).
It's interesting to watch Star Trek in release order and see how it shifted with the times from standalone episodes that are almost never mentioned again, gradually into more continuous story arcs
Stargate
Indeed.
Indeed. 🤨
Star Trek, hands down.
Pointless campism. They are both decent works of scifi.
I haven't watched newer works in the Star Wars franchise but in my opinion Star Wars doesn't qualify as science fiction but is more like a space fantasy story.
Science fiction is more like a thought experiment: What would happen if society or technology would develop in this or that way? That's what Star Trek is doing for the most part (at least the older installments).
Edit: To be clear: I am not saying, Star Wars is bad. It is obviously highly regarded for a good reason. Im just saying it's not science fiction.
Right, intelligent aliens communicating, governing, trading, and fighting alongside humans in interstellar wars with faster-than-light travel, space lasers, artificial intelligence, autonomous robots, planet-destroying superweapons, cybernetics, cloning, advanced prosthetics, and energy weapons does not qualify as science fiction because it also has mysticism, prophecy, telekinesis, and sword fights...
Nah that's not my point at all. I'm not saying all that space, alien and tech stuff doesn't qualify as sci-fi because of the mysticism/prophecy/magic. My point is that you could probably tell Star Wars' tale just as well without all those aspects in a traditional fantasy setting for example. Sci-fi, in my opinion, utilizes science or technology to start thought experiments and tell stories that wouldn't be possible.
Take for example "Do Androids dream of electric sheep?" (the book Bladerunner is based on): The story tackles the ethical question at which point an artificial lifeform can be considered a person and should be treated as such. This is classic sci-fi: Take a fictional advanced technology and discuss the ethical or societal problems that may result from this technology.
This is something at least classic Star Trek does quite often while most of Star Wars' technology could very well be replaced by fantasy elements without the underlying story being fundamentally different.
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Galaxy Quest
Yup.
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Flash Gordon(1980) and The Orville. :P
Just messin'
The Orville is valid. While it's obviously star trek inspired, it's good enough to stand on its own.
The Orville is a proud Star Trek ripoff and Star Wars is a proud Flash Gordon ripoff (inspired by the old Flash Gordon serials)
Ahem, Star Trek homage.
Both.
Grew up with Star Wars as I have an older brother who had IV-VI on VHS.
Later in life I found myself in a job that took me offshore without internet access, so I needed something to watch on my laptop. As I considered myself a geek, and having never watched Star Trek, I torrented all of star trek and brought it with me. I started with The Cage, went over to Original series, and so forth. Last I saw was Enterprise.
Yes.
Came here to say this.
Babylon 5, with Firefly as a close second.
Add Space: Above And Beyond, and I'm totally there.
Holy shit I've been trying to find that show for years! I almost convinced myself that I dreamt it up. Thanks
Like Star Trek TOS, it didn't do well in its original TV airings 1995-1996
Then for some reason, it became a staple of daytime reruns in the 2000s or 2010s.
It was written by the X-Files duo of Glen Morgan and James Wong, so that's why it's got writing chops.
Both franchises have gone to shit these days.
With the exception of Andor.
And lower decks
This is what I came to say.
I think because of the comedy it often gets overlooked as a genuine Star Trek show. And that's a mistake.
I like Lower Decks. But I wouldn't put it anywhere near the same tier in Star Trek relative to Andor in Star Wars. It's basically Memory Alpha: The Show. It's entertaining but it primarily serves as a vehicle for Easter eggs, references, cameos, and satire.
Hard disagree.
The characters and stories stand on their own. The jokes are great too, but ultimately, I care about the characters and their journeys as much as I cared about the TNG Enterprise crew.
It's got real heart.
I agree with both of you. I liked it a lot but I would liked it more if it had less references that often felt too easy or forced.
I find that ironic for a show whose major theme is accepting things for what they are rather than for what you expect them to be
What are you talking about?
We're not saying Star Trek is "supposed to be" a certain way, but we're still allowed to like or dislike it. I'm not one of these chuds who says DIS or LD or STA isn't "real Trek" or isn't canon, but I still don't love them.
The section from Andor to Return of the Jedi is the plateau of Star Wars. The rest have good parts, even great ones, but that stretch is the core.
Star Trek isn't as obvious, it's a scattershot of ups and down all the way through. Which is appropriate, as most of it is episodic with mainly references holding it together.
Battlestar Galactica
I’ve tried to rewatch that on a couple of occasions in the past few years, and nope.
The original, or the reboot? Pretty important distinction.
The 2000’s series. I really enjoyed it when it was new, but found it pretty tedious when I tried to rewatch it more recently.
Trek
I don't have a strong preference. I'm just waiting for the Star Trek Wars, followed by the Star Wars Trek (when Star Trek wins the war and Star Wars is sent into exile).
(Futurama reference, for those who didn't know.)
The Expanse.
The Orville
👀
Firefly
I prefer Star Trek. I used to like Star Wars but at some point it lost all the appeal to me.
Farscape
When it was still just the original trilogy + extended universe, Star Wars.
These days, Trek.
Same boat here.
They are both equally secondary to Farscape.
Star Trek, even though as of late I have found it as hoary and overwrought as Star Wars.
Babylon 5, then Star Trek. I gave up on Star Wars by now. Recently tried to watch Andor S2 and eventually decided Star Wars wasn't worth my time anymore.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Andor S2's pacing at first, but after episode 3 or 5 it changes directors and returns to the tight pacing of season 1, and reaches some fantastic highs.
I'm going to change that "or" to an "and" in the interests of non-divisiveness. I've enjoyed both, and others not on the list as well.
Star Twerks
Why not both?
The Expanse
Space Quest
I don't think computer games are in the same category.
Computer games aren't sci-fi???
A video game series is only a sliver of the movies/tv show/comic books/games/conventions/embedded in social consciousness category that something like star wars and star trek are.
OK
I need more context. when my wife and I were doing the cryptic mmo's we would talk about how star trek was the fantasy world you would actually want to live in. Especially as a general person and not a significant figure or such. Now movie wise there is more star wars I would want to watch over star trek but I think my favorite ones might be trek. Series wise there is more trek I would want to watch over wars. Both have been enshitified like almost all ips now a days.
I won't argue that both have released some superfluous cash-in content, but can you really say that they've enshitified when we also get stuff like Lower Decks and Andor?
Both have produced mixed content, but they've also each released some of their best entries during the last five years.
Lower decks is kinda an easy win though as its not played out concept wise. I honestly have not seen andor being that its hard for them to get my eyeballs at this point. I have only even seen like a season or so of lower decks but I will likely eventually see it as I have motivation for it. Star wars wise im not super hyped by anything other than the original trilogy. Its like you kick out the first movie time wise and throw in the clone wars cartoon and thats alright (not psyched up but not bad) and Im kinda back and forth on rogue one but the mandolorian was like the thing that most excited me in awhile but honestly its kinda hard to say how much was just a thirst for good ole straight forward action.
Yes.
SW is a shadow of Dune (and a Vietnam war allegory?) with as much substance as one, and they stretched that nothingness way too much with new movies and shows of the IP. Old Trek had, at least, a pro-life, hopeful, morally upright vibe to it, so it gets my vote. 👍
star wars only because my grandpa was watching star Trek when I was a kid and there was a guy with a wrinkly head and that scared me
Yes.
Dune
What for?
Red Dwarf all the way
There's no reason to choose between them.
I was in the trek camp when I was younger. But from a story perspective i think the episodic TV has aged poorly and the movies are just double episodes of TV. (This applies to Stargate too, for me.)
Theres something to be said about the social commentary certainly but meh.
Star Wars remains awful but at least it has entertaining aspects; it’s like the Marvel franchise now. Boom, explosion, wow. Though - Marvel has too much in the Team America Saves the World aspect (much like SG).
It's interesting to watch Star Trek in release order and see how it shifted with the times from standalone episodes that are almost never mentioned again, gradually into more continuous story arcs
Yeah, I’m watching some earlier episodes and that is part of my current outlook.
Mass Effect.
Blake's 7.
The closest you'll get to a crossover of both.
Star Wars based comedy channels on YouTube. Charlie Hopkinson, Killian Experience, and Ryan George have great skits/comedy commentary on the films.
Star Wars
Star Wars