Spyke
lemmy.world

Sad thing is he absolutely did do that. Unlike Biden who was blamed for the chaos that came from the pandemic.

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protistreply
retrofed.com

*war in Ukraine

Edit: You people are insane with these downvotes. Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022. Look at a graph of gas prices and see what happened right after that. The war in Ukraine was directly responsible for the gas price spike in 2022

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takedareply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Both, supply issues causes by economy restarting from covid as well as was in Ukraine that putin started.

Ironically that also supposed to be very quick as the one with Iran.

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protistreply
retrofed.com

The sudden spike in prices that immediately followed Russia invading Ukraine had almost nothing to do with the economy

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takedareply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I didn't down vote you but, want to address your edit. You are absolutely right that war in Ukraine contributed to the price. And you are right that this spike had not much to do with the economy, but keep in mind that the restrictions were lifted I think in February as well pretty much simultaneously in all countries.

During restrictions people traveled less, so the demand for oil was lower, so in 2020 oil fields reduced output.

Now restrictions were lifted so demand increased, sanctions on Russia were imposed so demand on Persian Gulf also increased.

It takes few months to restart production from oil wells that were shut down, and then there's also few weeks delay as the tankers are transporting the oil.

I think both contributed to the spike.

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protistreply
retrofed.com

Do you have a source on Feb '22 being some kind of turning point regarding covid restrictions? Having lived through COVID as a healthcare worker, I recall the timeline pretty acutely, and my memory is lockdowns were almost universally over by summer '20, the first vaccines were administered on a large scale in December '20, and activity increased progressively throughout 2021.

Meanwhile, the gas price spike occurred immediately after Russia invaded Ukraine, and concerns about oil supplies were plastered all over the financial news of the day

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/19/us/covid-mandates-vaccine-indoor-dining/

I remember, because all the conspiracy nuts were using it as an example that restrictions were bogus ("see? Covid was fake, as soon as we started they lifted all restrictions")

I think many people also forgot truckers in Canada blocking border transit demanding lifting restrictions. It was fun because when it started Canada already announced the date their restrictions will be lifted.

Frankly that whole thing smelled like Russian psyop (not only it started right before invasion, about restrictive that already were planned to be lifted, but also it's goal was to disrupt important supply chain and even tried to cause unrest (when someone tried to start a fire that could burn alive some residents as the person also locked exits)

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wheezyreply
lemmy.ml

Well, Biden did blow up a pipe line that supplied Russian gas to Europe. He also did nothing to improve the horrible situation in Venezuela that Trump started. He actually just doubled down on it.

Not on the level of what Trump has done. But every US president is consistently working to ensure US oligarchs have control of the oil supply. And that doesn't always mean literally stealing oil. It's more about control.

Sometimes that brings domestic gas prices down. Sometimes it makes them go up. Sometimes that means blowing up pipelines. Sometimes that means kidnapping a countries elected leader.

The president WANTS domestic gas prices to be low. It helps their approval ratings and party elections. But, the president is subject to the wishes of the oil and war oligarchs. And they are fucking thirsty right now.

Edit: I've broken through with a positive upvote (for now) making a comment about Democrats and Bidens failures to combat Trump. I have faith in you Lemmy.

Edit2: Had to brag. Reminded people to downvote.

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lemmy.world

The price spike under Biden was more the orange kid-diddler's doing. Threatening to without military funding for Saudi Arabi unless they cut down on oil output during COVID. Which when supply chains were firing back up under Biden they had t ramped production back up yet. Biden got blamed for some he had nothing to do with. Aka the repugnican method.

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wheezyreply
lemmy.ml

Bidens biggest failures were not undoing a lot of the things Trump did in his first term.

I think it was a false belief in that the US should remain consistent and not back peddle on bad policies. So, instead of working with Iran to restore the JCPoA (that they continued to abide by via the UN) he continued to push sanctions. Similar situation with Venezuela. Hell, he even kept a lot of Trump's awful border policy. He absolutely failed in restoring faith in America, on the world stage, after Trump's first term. He needed to push hard in the opposite direction and have actual material changes that Trump (or any Republican) could not undo again.

Now, one could say this is because they didn't think they would lose again to Trump. But, that, in itself, was also a major failure for Biden/Harris. They had no major material improvements to point to as an achievement.

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rumbareply
lemmy.zip

TBF the whole coup should have been made an example of. There was so much video evidence.

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I think it was a false belief in that the US should remain consistent and not back peddle on bad policies.

The pinnacle failure of centrists. Regressives have no issues throwing out good policy.

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I do believe they honestly tried, but the damage done was not something which could easily be solved in a weekend. I even said in arguments that most of his first term would be trying to repair the US's reputation on the world stage which he did make strides at. But as for passing anything, Moscow mitch even openly said that they'd fight against everything they could just to make Biden look like he wasn't capable of new laws or policy.

The first things Biden had on his plate when he took office were dealing with COVID to get the country and economy running again, fallout from the January 6th insurrection, and the time bomb of the military withdraw from Afghanistan.

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Tbh Biden did set himself up for trouble on gas prices specifically. He had that make Saudi Arabia a pariah initiative he was giving speeches on when he first got elected, it was going OK while the US held the cards… but after the Ukraine war started and the supply was reduced, gas prices became a giant glowing weak spot that the Saudis could vengefully mash just in time for mid-terms. Biden recognized the danger then and visited hat in hand to ask for forgiveness and more production, but it was too late after making very public positions and statements that the Saudis REALLY didn’t like at all so the trip didn’t amount to much other than embarassing news articles about him crawling back to the guy he had been calling a murderer.

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I've always loved that one. Looking straight into a solar eclipse bare-eyed, proving how much of a genuine fucktard he really is.

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You guys life in a tech dystopia with a utopian future sticker plastered in front.

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Blobreply
lemmy.world

"Oh damn, gas prices went up so filling a tank went up $10..... I know! I'll blow $100 on useless stickers and still complain about the $10!"

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4amreply

None of your argument makes you sound smart, likeable, or relevant. Stop posting forever.

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lemmy.world

The real issue here is that you think it costs $100 for 100 stickers.

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mirshafiereply
europe.pub

Oh yeah? You know it takes more energy to point that out than to leave me alone? -- Bill Hicks

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I've actually replied to emails saying "it took you more time and effort to ask me to ask someone this question than it would have been to just ask them yourself"

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zewmreply
lemmy.world

Good job vandalizing the gas station of someone that just trying to run a business and has to clean up after your safe rebellion. You’re really sticking it to the man there.

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pr06lefsreply
lemmy.ml

thanks. extra stickers for the gas stations that play ads

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Whostosayreply
sh.itjust.works

I saw someone used duct tape on the little vent that houses the speakers on one of these. It actually almost completely blocked out the sound. Whoever did that fucks

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zod000reply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

They used to include a mute feature on them to shut them up, now that's gone too.

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Yeah still on some of the older ones, but yeah, I imagine that the lack of a mute button spawned the duct tape man

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9point6reply
lemmy.world

safe rebellion.

Oh, should they be throwing Molotovs? That's probably easier for the attendant to clean up

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They could just leave it there as it's not hurting their business and is also true.

And remember, property destruction as a form of protest has a long a storied history that generally works far more effectively than marches or rallies and is part of the escalation of the protest process if The People are ignored. It gets far worse so they should take it seriously and listen/act on the concerns of the protestors. They wouldn't like what comes next.

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people are disappearing for unsafe rebellion. At least he's doing something.

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lemmy.world

You say that shit when the Biden stickers were fuckin everywhere?

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zewmreply
lemmy.world

Yes. It's all vandalism. It doesn't matter whose face is on the sticker.

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Well gas prices were definitely lower on February 26th before that asshole started a war with Iran.

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lemmy.world

3.99 is cheap. It’s $4.20 where I’m at which is still cheap compared to much of the country

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lemmy.ca

$3.99 USD per gallon is about $1.43 CAD per litre. I weep, lol. I'm paying $1.96 CAD per litre (about $5.41 USD per gallon). I'm in Alberta, we grow it here. That's relatively cheap compared to some other provinces 😭

Edit: Don't take those numbers as gospel. I'm scrolling on the can, so it may not be my best math.

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I got the same number, your math checks out I think.

My local gas station was 187.9 last I checked. Not quite as bad as yours but still brutal.

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lemmy.world

4.99ish where I am, for the last week or so.

I wouldn't call it lucking out but a couple weeks ago I was hitting the store midday and saw 1 station had jumped to $4.29. a couple blocks later I saw 2 stations still had it at 3.89 so I immediately filled up. Within a couple days it had already jumped to somewhere around 4.50 and days later it's at 4.99.

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Jumped from $4.75 on the way to work to $4.99 on the way home. Were fucked.

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lemmy.world

$3.99 for E0 gas is a fucking steal. Normally you pay more for E0, this is below the country average right now.

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chiliedoggreply
lemmy.world

The E0 is the one that was removed. It's only an option for the 91.

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jambudzreply
lemmy.zip

That’s still dirt cheap for 91. It’s 4.509 for 87 by me right now

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Yeah - prices vary a lot. Especially with state gas taxes. Texas hasn't increased its tax on gas in over 30 years, for instance. As a percentage, they're barely a quarter today what they were when I was first driving.

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lemmy.zip

I wish my gas was only a dollar more per gallon

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lemmy.world

rarely the president has as much responsibility for the gas prices

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It's almost like El Taco heard about people trying to explain that the president wasn't actually capable of affecting gas prices and went "hold my beer McD's".

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db2reply
lemmy.world

Probably less rare for them to be a rapist and pedophile but he's definitely the most publicized at it.

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You’re right, I think we've finally surpassed Thomas Jefferson at this point, though I suspect TJ’s rape and pedophilia are still mostly danced around when people talk about Sally Hemings (who was 14-16 years old and a peer to his daughter when it began, while Jefferson was in his mid forties).

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lemmy.zip

Gas Price per Gallon atm in Austria: 8 Dollar

Befor this Bullshit it was at around 4,50 Dollar

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lemmy.zip

Currently about 605 yen ($3.90 USD) in (rural) Japan. That only seems cheap in dollars because the yen has tanked in the past few years. 5 years ago when there were somewhat similar gas prices it would've been about $5.75

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deliktreply
lemmy.zip

So you can't compare it before and after the Trump-israel-Iran War (i called like this cause i noticed the USA dosn't wanted this war at all) cause your currency value changed that much?

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So these days I'm seeing 154 yen per liter on the low end, and in 2019 I also saw about that price. But right now 1 USD is 156 yen, but in 2019 it was only worth around 105 to 110.

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I mean that's an insane percentage increase. My bro in Berlin (I'm in London) was saying they've seen 50% but you guys win! In the UK we're at about 10% increase since the Israel/US/Iran war

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slrpnk.net

Unleaded 88, wtf ? Does the US have gasoline with such a low octane ? or is it the price in inch pounds per linear whatsadoodle ?

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lemmy.world

The US uses a slightly different Octane rating system that averages slightly lower than the more common RON. The system they use averages RON with MON which is measured under different engine conditions. The pump is labeled with (R+M)/2 to indicate this in the image. According to Wikipedia, 88 is equivalent to 95 RON.

No idea why they feel the need to be different.

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Geoblokereply
aussie.zone

I still don't understand, can you compare that to something completely arbitrary like bourbon, Coke or football ovals?

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Jerb322reply
lemmy.world

Not quite Everclear but stronger than Jack Daniel's.

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The US uses a weird mix of RON and MON ratings (printed on the buttons) - 88 on their rating would be 91 RON, which is still very low for more modern engines, but not gut-wrenching at least.

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lemmy.nz

Huh, how does the octane rating work in the US?

Common octane ratings in NZ are 91, 95, & 98.

I'm guessing that there are different ways to calculate the rating, rather than the actual fuel being that different.

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fedia.io

In Canada, The United States, and Mexico, the advertised octane rating is the average of the RON and the MON, called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI). It is often written on pumps as (R+M)/2. AKI is also sometimes called PON (Pump Octane Number).

Because of the 8 to 12 octane number difference between RON and MON noted above, the AKI shown in Canada and the United States is 4 to 6 octane numbers lower than elsewhere in the world for the same fuel.

There's a table in the wiki article that shows the equivalence of different systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

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That was quite informative, thanks. I'd always wondered about the specifics and had never remembered to look it up.

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Yes. USA, Canada and Mexico use a different rating. You need to add about 5 to get the same number on the more common RON scale.

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There's two primary ways to measure octane. RON and MON. Most countries pick one- specifically RON. The US and Canada average the two, for some reason.

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We all knew the type of degenerate losers who put up the Biden "I did that stickers" were just partisan hacks who would (and largely do not) feel the same way now that Trump actually has directly impacted fuel prices. That was always part of the reason people rolled their eyes every time we saw one.

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$4.57 here. $3.99 is the George Bush of gas prices. It sucks, but it looks so good compared to where we’re going.

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Over here in Spain (where almost everything is pretty much cheap) gas is ~9$usd/gallon Heard a friend in Germany (whom also doesn’t drive (anymore)) say it’s minimum ~11$usd/gallon over there (Edit: we did the math to convert from €eur/Liter to $usd/gal and rounded to closest .50¢ (both were rounded down lol) it’s not average for the entire countries just the two prices for where we live and our friend lives) Anywho it’s gone up that’s for sure but we’re not heavily impacted

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I'm so happy my shitbox takes regular 87

Unfortunately the cheapest I ccould find yesterday was $5.15 per gallon (they limit you to 10 gallons). Most of them around me are $5.50+ with 2 being well over $6 per gallon ($6.19 and $6.29).

Those are for regular, I haven't even checked premium prices locally.

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I stuck one on a gas station in Texas today. Gas was over $4 a gallon.

It feels good to travel through red states and shit on their orange god.

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They hide various gas stations but they are all expensive. Here's from one minute ago:

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I spent 2k to replace the radiator in my hybrid just before this started, mofo's gonna pay for itself

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lemmy.world

What's going on with that "unleaded 88" that's cheaper than regular 87 octane? I've never heard of it before.

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Pointless too, the cost per gallon "savings" is nullified and then some by the loss of MPG.

They price "premium" above the MPG savings also. It's a no-win all around for us.

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Ah, that makes sense, although I'm surprised they didn't call it "E15". I think in my area they don't bother with it because regular unleaded is already "up to 10% ethanol" anyway, so it'd only be a 5% difference and that's not worth taking a slot on the pump.

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That's high for over there.

I think before the war kicked off it was averaging $3.50 a gallon (3.78L) and now is averaging about $4.50. American mongo cars use a lot more petrol but it's not taxed nearly as high as they're a fuel producer.

Meanwhile after emergency tax cuts here it's running about €1.83 a litre or $8.30 a gallon for unleaded or near $10 for diesel.

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lemmy.world

am i to assume whatever e85 is has lead?

whats going on

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boaratioreply
lemmy.world

No, it has ethanol in it. Not lead. Ethanol is made from corn and it's subsidized by the government so farmers can sell their excess corn.

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texturereply
lemmy.world

im relieved to hear that. odd that they label all of them except the cheapest as "unleaded".

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well, except e85 apparently, and thats what encouraged me to ask any questions in the first place. lol :)

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

The other answers are correct but also for the record, I don’t think you can buy pre-mixed leaded gasoline anywhere in the US (maybe on a private racetrack?). You have to buy the lead and mix it in yourself.

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sh.itjust.works

See comment by Random Stickman, different standard systems give different octane numbers for the same fuel. Edit: according to the Wikipedia chart, the RON of that "Regular Unleaded" would be 91-92. That 87 on the pump is the RON minus the MON, divided by 2 to give the AKI.

The RON of US Premium is 96-98, is that closer to your European number?

Here's the explanatory link they posted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

As for prices, I live in California where Regular is currently $6.50 near me. Some of the difference from OP's prices is state and local taxes that go towards things that benefit me, some is because our gas has to be formulated to reduce smog. Which also benefits me.

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lemmy.world

Or, instead of that, spend all the money on food for your neighbors instead.

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Or buy more stickers to get momentum going in the other way so eventually people don't need random donations to eat

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