i don't see anyone making fun of it, but i do seem people characterizing intellectuals as either disconnected and stuck up; or depressed and childless; or godless and doomed to hell for it and all of it is done with the vaguely hidden intention of warning everyone else against intellectual pursuits or else they'll end up like disconnected, depressed, and/or godless.
As an autistic person, I kind of get self-conscious when people point out that I know a lot about a subject. Even when they mean it as a compliment it still kind of bothers me and I'm not sure why. For me, the amount I know about most topics doesn't feel impressive to me at all. People around me think I have encyclopediac knowledge of movies when I actually know very little about it compared to how much there is to know, I just know more about it than most of the people around me and am better at remembering facts than most people around me
In the case of the Soviet Union, Marxist-Leninist doctrine treated poverty as a product of class exploitation under capitalism rather than personal failure. Official discourse emphasized that unemployment, homelessness, and destitution were systemic features of bourgeois economies. Within Soviet society, this translated into a strong normative expectation that the state bore responsibility for guaranteeing employment, housing, and basic welfare. While in practice shortages and inequalities persisted, the cultural script did not legitimize blaming the poor; instead, marginalization was often interpreted as a failure of planning, bureaucracy, or remnants of pre-socialist class structures.
A comparable ideological orientation can be found in the People's Republic of China, particularly during the Maoist period. Under Mao Zedong, poverty was framed as the legacy of feudalism and imperialism. Campaigns such as land reform and collectivization were justified precisely on the premise that peasants were victims of structural oppression rather than agents of their own deprivation. Even in the post-1978 reform era, although market mechanisms reintroduced inequality, official rhetoric continues to stress “poverty alleviation” as a state-led responsibility, culminating in large-scale programs aimed at eradicating extreme poverty without moralizing the poor as individually culpable.
It's really frustrating that so many people assume poor people are lazy and don't want to work when a lot of poor people are working multiple jobs and that's still not enough to "earn" the right to have their basic needs met
"I don't like it so it must be bad" in relation to all kinds of media. So many people can't accept that something just isn't meant for them. There are literally thousands of games, movies and albums getting released every year so if you don't like something, just don't buy it and move on instead of complaining to (and sometimes about) those of us who are looking forward to it.
Edit: this might not strictly be the most toxic behavior but it makes social interactions super annoying, even in small groups and it seems to coincide with people who are overall fond of forcing their personal views and beliefs on others.
I think you nailed it when you wrote " forcing their personal views and beliefs on others". That is what we see happening now with people trying to control others. We see it in government and with religion. It is trickling down to where the common person feels it is not only okay to do, but that they must do it to compete with others and get ahead.
I think a lot about how "good" and "fun" are two different things.
You can have a game that's a fascinating exploration of a theme that really unifies mechanics and story, but is an absolute downer of misery to play.
You can also have a game that's a glorified slot machine with bugs, no real player input, and abusive monetization, but people's brains light up playing it.
There's some subjectivity of course, but sometimes I see games that are good at what they're trying to be, but I don't have any fun with them. Some people seem to demand those overlap all the time.
I would say that‘s an entirely different point. If someone likes to literally watch paint dry, who am I to invade their discussions tell them they shouldn’t? Let people like what they like even if you personally think it’s neither good nor fun.
It does also sometimes stem from people's inability to elaborate. Like if you dislike something, there's a reason you hate it. That's why I especially hate reviews like "it's mid" or "it's goated"/"it's peak" like they barely help.
I think those people lack understanding that whether something is good or bad is an opinion. They don't think they need to elaborate on why it's bad because they believe it's a universal fact that it's bad
Yes, I quite agree. I get so irritated when people complain that a movie is coming out that they don't personally want to see. Why is it so hard to just not watch it? Thousands of other movies are coming out that you aren't watching. It's easier to not watch than to watch. Watching it takes effort.
I don't play video games at all. I don't go around whining "they should stop making video games, nobody wants to play them"
Probably not the worst, but my personal worst that comes to mind is manosphere bullshit that spreads like wildfire among men who aren't happy with their life. I can sadly even see it with some friends, they don't fully buy into it but most men are vulnerable to it because it's an easy "solution".
That all men are evil, I admit I'm a sinner of this. My terrible experiences make me think men are evil but I know that's wrong and toxic I'm working on it. I must admit tho that these experiences constantly happening are making it too difficult 🙃
I read something the other day that sorta explains this. I felt the same way you do. But what I read was that women know that all men aren’t evil. But they aren’t sure which one’s are. It just clicked in my head and helped me understand the mentality.
That's the same reason people don't trust cops. Some cops are good but you can't always be sure which ones are bad and so interacting with any of them is risky
“Most toxic” depends on who’s annoyed this week, but there are a few recurring mental habits that reliably rot discourse without even trying.
My biggest pet peeve is probably moral absolutism, often disguised as clarity. That’s the mindset where everything gets forced into clean categories of pure good vs pure evil, with zero tolerance for the rainbow of nuance.
Next up is identity-as-proof. If someone is in Group X, then they must believe Y, and any counterexample is treated as an anomaly or betrayal. It saves effort because you don’t have to think, just sort people into bins and react accordingly.
Then there’s algorithmic certainty syndrome, which is more modern and a bit more subtle. People get used to feeds that reinforce their priors so efficiently that disagreement starts to feel like statistical noise. So instead of updating beliefs, they just escalate confidence. Nothing says “epistemic humility” like being completely wrong with confidence.
Another one is transactional morality: “If I’m right, I’m allowed to be as harsh as I want.” Which turns every disagreement into a license for cruelty, as if correctness automatically comes with behavioral immunity.
And underneath a lot of it is something simpler and more disconcerting: comfort with not understanding things before judging them. People are so eager to tell others what they are by labeling them and defining them rather than simply talking about themselves (you... vs. I...)
Additionally - That asset stripping and profiteering are "efficient". It's a bit of a euphemism at this point I think.
Most companies I've worked for have cut their resources to the bone in search of efficiencies which are more accurately described as shareholder profit maximisations, but are pitched as "just in time" operation. Why hire two people when one can do a good enough job at half the pay. Why fabricate something locally when we can get a third party in SE Asia to make the same thing for peanuts and then charge EU pricing in our market.
Neither maximise efficient operations, just the efficient extraction of profit.
One thing I noticed in India, and perhaps elsewhere too that happiness is on the other side of whatever goal one has, usually something that is sold as hustle or hardwork. I am not talking about people who don't earn enough to afford even basics and are told that they don't earn enough because they don't work hard enough. These people are simply playing a rigged game.
I am talking about usually well-off people who earn enough, but not enough to be happy. These people don't realize that in their case happiness is just due to an internal lack and not due to external factors. These people try to buy and consume in order to fill a void that cannot be filled through external stuff or status.
Yes, main character syndrome. They have no awareness of their actions from another person's perspective. They play by different rules than they expect others to play by because they're the main character
I'd say nihilism and apathy. Of course life has no objective meaning, it has the meaning we assign to it. I remember someone telling me "humans are selfish, we can't change things for the better" or something to that effect. It really pissed me off. With that attitude, you sure as shit can't. If we all came together, we absolutely could force positive change.
The fact that life has no inherent meaning is my primary motivator to give it meaning. No one decides what I mean except me, and I say I mean something.
Way too many young people (in the west, I'm not sure about elsewhere) are extremely pessimistic about the future. They aren't necessarily wrong they also feel like they don't have any control. It definitely opens a window for radicalisation, but it's just sad to see.
People have warped views about where is worthy of living. In the US people are all about big coastal/hip cities. Like Portland and Austin aren't coastal but they're still hip. That wouldn't be so bad if they didn't trash on non-coastal cities. I don't know how these people think to build some sort of working class solidarity when you shit on the homes of the majority of peoples who may not want to live in a dense city environment
Similar to that is weird exoticism of people in other countries and their lifestyles. Like I've known people that have moved from the US to Ecuador to escape growing fascism and I'm puzzled that they must have done zero research into this. Same with moving from the US to France because they're anti-imperialist and I'm just puzzled. France has been continuously imperialist for centuries. No pause.
Then the ones that self-style as a refugee when moving to a poorer country. You're moving from a wealthy country with your savings and many of your belongings, often keeping your job but working remote, often keeping your citizenship. These people have more in common with European colonists in America than someone escaping war in southeast asia 50 years ago or like Sudanese refugees today. These people are also very awkward to talk to these actual refugees and their children especially when they're living wherever they can in a country to make it rather than like Seattle
All that really to say about how little interest people want to be a part of uplifting their home communities. Their countries communities. I don't care how little you care for Oklahoma because of politics, you should want people to thrive there. Especially if you fancy yourself some social progressive that cares about native Americans
And this warped view ends up having people spend so much money on things that aren't needed to make them happy. Maybe you see way funnier stuff at improv shows in New York City. That doesn't mean you can't have a good time at one in Omaha Nebraska. You can help grow that. Too many people that just want to move to a city and consume and get pissed off that the cities with built out amenities are expensive. So then move to a cheap country and continue to contribute nothing. Just consume. So move to Ecuador to be rich and contribute nothing culturally nor politically to prevent some fascistic rise they "fled" growing in the US or France or UK, etc
I view it like a supercharged American moderate that MLK Jr spoke about that people love to cite. The American moderate shares that video to claim they're not a moderate. People in wealthy countries find any reason to not have to be a part of change and hope they can move to their ideal community that will entertain them. And in the case of moving to a poorer country, their ideal home wasn't actually leftism and setting up their communities to thrive in the future - it was being rich. It's a lot worse today I believe because of social media. A lot of people consume enough self help books and socializing tips YouTube along with lifestyle influencers and now we have an impotent leftist movement. Approach to lifestyle like a wealthy conservative but wrap it in messaging of wellness, socialism, whatever
Where do you want to go with that? That can be said about the treatment of every non-white European people's by white Europeans around the world. Native Americans are still very present in the US just ignored. People in the US and Europe also seem to pay no care for refugees from wars brought on by their countries imperialist/colonial wars. Nor do they seem to recognize native hispanics as native Americans nor people in the Middle East as people indigenous to those lands. American, European, Australian, etc tourists don't seem to recognize people other than natives on reservations in the US and Canada as indigenous to any lands. These can be said to discourage every civil rights activist in the past to present. Can be said to anyone working for the ACLU today. Those in medical research in NATO countries today. People today have to work towards something.
The spirit of America and European countries have been for the last ~600 years, marked by slavery, genocide, colonialism, imperialism. Going forward it will be something. It's far from as bad as it once was but it's trending back towards overt imperialism again and internal opposition has to be better than they were in the past because in the past they were terrible at it.
People that leave the US, France, UK, Netherlands, Spain, Canada, Australia, etc countries to poorer countries to take advantage of their relative wealth to live out life as a wealthy conservative are not contributing to society in their home country nor the country they're trying live a life of tourism in. And it is no surprise that conservatives succeed so much in politics when lean lefts are so quick to give up and recluse themselves from politics of not just where they were born but every country in the world so they can just enjoy themselves. Live life. Focus on their own spirituality. On their own art. Mental health. There's no balance. It's all just consumerism and hedonism dressed up for the art district. Etc. It's being selfish and self-centered
Buddy, my point was that there's no benevolent USAmerican spirit. It's just propaganda that you eat since birth. It's nice you get it. On immigration: when not complete morons go overseas they get how weird the North American society is.
anthropomorphising pets. IMO it's a mental condition.
Climate change ignorance on the other hand is existential to civilisations existence and is being ignored, so humans are able to jump through all sorts of mental hoops
I'd been noticing lately how IG e.g. (or whatever, echo chamber/filter bubble) was feeding me a lot of man-child hate, and at some point felt it was getting to me a bit too much. Made me intolerant towards strangers and less likely to give someone at least a chance, which is how I normally am. And I know incel culture quite well too, so it seems like a really toxic, alienating combo. Not because we are supposed to just get married and breed and shut up for the greater GDP, but just for basic human trust and empathy.
I often see it online and I think in the western world: everything is bad. Like sure there are a lot of problems, but this will never change. Even near utopia people will feel like the last bit of problem is unbearable, because it kind of is. But don't have it stop you from living your life because not being able to help yourself will also stop you from being able to help others.
Things might actively get worse or better. Who cares what value is in that knowledge.
I know it's because many people have clinical depression, I struggled with it for a long time. If you find that you believe that the world is a bad place - most healthy people disagree. It's hard to believe but it's true. Maybe ask some people around you if they like their life, how much they enjoy themselves, how bad they feel when doing chores etc. Most things in life are bearable. 🖤
Was going to say Spectrum B/C disorders, C/PTSD, which comes from trauma, toxic environments, and sometimes some different brain workings. The most tragic part is, these conditions are extremely treatable, a couple are reversible, with good, ongoing talk therapy and shadow work, which is so very inaccessible to those who want them and often easily accessible to those who don't.
When people assume anything they don't personally understand is bullshit
They don't know how the spread of viruses works, so they conclude it's a conspiracy. Not only do they conclude this, they refuse to change the conclusion when presented with new information. You explain as simply as possible why pandemic precautions are taken and they just won't accept new information.
They don't understand how a person can be a gender different from what their genitals imply and so they assume such people are simply delusional. Look, I understand how one hearing about it for the first time might think that but even when new information about the topic is given to them, they just refuse to accept it. They can't get past "man penis woman vagina" no matter how much information is given, they assume if they didn't know it before it must be bullshit
I guess part of the reason they think this way is a need to defend their original position even if it's refuted with new information. To them, the goal of conversation and debate isn't to learn, it's to win. No matter what new information is given, they still need to come up with a way their original position is still correct. They see it a personal failure to have ever been wrong, not realizing it's a bigger personal failure to remain wrong when they have been informed and now know better
This rant got off my original point a bit. Sorry for the ramble. I guess what I've really identified is a bunch of interconnected unhealthy thought patterns
Clearly I struck a nerve with everyone, which I find hilarious.
I'm not a MAGAT. I said that because it's legitimate and true to some degree whether I agree with the words woke mind virus or not it was a means to explain the phenomenon.
Everyone has some sort of idea, intuition, theory, about literally everything now days in some crazy fashion, 5g world domination, implants in blood draws, wild things you see. The government, food, tech, tv shows. What I was speaking on loosely and fast just as a simple comment to OP was that there literally seems like a woke mind virus now days because its ingrained in everyone.
I only used woke mind virus because that's what most people see on the news and hear about, so they understand loosely the context I speak about. Was more to get my point across, be active in this sub, and be relatable to OP. Again. Not a MAGAT so everyone commenting and being offended, while your entitled to feel how you feel my post was simply taken far out of context.
Edit: I think this post helps prove my point or atleast reaffirm what I was meaning. Everyone below was quick to lash out, downvote, with any sort of understanding or discussion. That in and of itself is part of the issue. People being so ingrained in their feelings and view that it inhibits productive discussion and behaviour.
you seem to be describing conspiracy theorists, or fantastical thinkers. "wokeism" is just a derogatory way fascists refer to queer people or leftists as if they were a conspiracy.
Well I'm not one to laugh when I go into a room full of people and upset everyone. But you do you I guess.
To my understanding "woke mind virus" is far different than the things you described. What you described are common misinformation given to people in lower economic backgrounds to sow discourse among the working class . To me the "woke mind virus" is more of an understanding of how systemic racism and sexism in many laws have kept many people intentionally in poverty.
In short, you're like, using the words wrong around here bruv.
I suppose I was a bit pedantic about it, what I really mean is that people take things far too personal and it's a bit ridiculous to me. Perhaps I should not have said it was hilarious it was more of an expression of absurdity to me.
English is not my language. I do my best. I contribute, I write in english to do better learning. I still think if you look at some of the replies on Lemmy an to my comment above. People don't have open minds. Quick to ridicule and cast out. Most people seem to have the view of theirs and only theirs. Everyone opposing is bad. That is not good for anyone and the world.
Yeah there seems to be a lot of closed mindedness everywhere. And I think people were always quick to ridicule and cast out. At least that's what my dad's music says at least. 😅
I guess we've had different experiences. I don't think most people I meet feel like it's their way only. Except for a few notable exceptions 🇺🇸. I do think that a lot of people feel and think the opposing "side" is bad.
But at the same time I don't really blame people for being that way. The stakes are seem to be getting higher.
One example that comes to mind is in my country. The highest level of government overturned a law that protected the bodily autonomy of women a few years ago. In my country if you have a uterus in some places, the local governments can imprison, and even put you to death if your pregnancy goes a way the government doesn't like. I have not heard of anyone being executed yet though. Only imprisoned.
Essentially one half of our species trying to subjugate the other half. Oh and by the way, it's been that for a really long time. Down with the Patriarchy. ♀️
Or just the other day; A person in one of the most powerful positions of our species threatened to wipe out an entire civilization.
I agree that almost all of the conflict and suffering our species places on ourselves is a waste of time, hampering us, and is bad. But for some people it is a fight for survival. And I suspect those people most likely won't be open-minded with "only a little genocide!".
I spent way too much time writing this so I probably won't respond. I'm going to play some Foxhole. Good luck in the trials ahead for our species in the coming years, stranger. Don't forget Trans Rights Are Human Rights. 🏳️⚧️
Nah, I guess it's the right thing to try to engage in a productive discussion. Might sound stupid but lemmy is far smaller than traditional social media. It's like a local tavern of social medias, and there's isn't an endless supply of trolls like there's on other social medias. Besides having conversation with someone of opposing ideas is always welcomed.
Why even comment lol. I came with the reddit exodus and been active here. I hate other social media. And as far as my comment. I think it's entirely in line especially with Lemmy culture.
Anti-intellectualism
Making fun of people for reading or learning or knowing "too much" about a thing
i don't see anyone making fun of it, but i do seem people characterizing intellectuals as either disconnected and stuck up; or depressed and childless; or godless and doomed to hell for it and all of it is done with the vaguely hidden intention of warning everyone else against intellectual pursuits or else they'll end up like disconnected, depressed, and/or godless.
As an autistic person, I kind of get self-conscious when people point out that I know a lot about a subject. Even when they mean it as a compliment it still kind of bothers me and I'm not sure why. For me, the amount I know about most topics doesn't feel impressive to me at all. People around me think I have encyclopediac knowledge of movies when I actually know very little about it compared to how much there is to know, I just know more about it than most of the people around me and am better at remembering facts than most people around me
Believing that poverty is a moral failure. Though that's been an issue for millenia.
I guess it is more a thing of Western countries. Max Weber suggested that the Protestant Reformation, led to the belief that economic success was a sign of divine favor, legitimizing wealth inequality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism
In the case of the Soviet Union, Marxist-Leninist doctrine treated poverty as a product of class exploitation under capitalism rather than personal failure. Official discourse emphasized that unemployment, homelessness, and destitution were systemic features of bourgeois economies. Within Soviet society, this translated into a strong normative expectation that the state bore responsibility for guaranteeing employment, housing, and basic welfare. While in practice shortages and inequalities persisted, the cultural script did not legitimize blaming the poor; instead, marginalization was often interpreted as a failure of planning, bureaucracy, or remnants of pre-socialist class structures.
A comparable ideological orientation can be found in the People's Republic of China, particularly during the Maoist period. Under Mao Zedong, poverty was framed as the legacy of feudalism and imperialism. Campaigns such as land reform and collectivization were justified precisely on the premise that peasants were victims of structural oppression rather than agents of their own deprivation. Even in the post-1978 reform era, although market mechanisms reintroduced inequality, official rhetoric continues to stress “poverty alleviation” as a state-led responsibility, culminating in large-scale programs aimed at eradicating extreme poverty without moralizing the poor as individually culpable.
It's really frustrating that so many people assume poor people are lazy and don't want to work when a lot of poor people are working multiple jobs and that's still not enough to "earn" the right to have their basic needs met
Transphobia, racism, misogyny...
"I don't like it so it must be bad" in relation to all kinds of media. So many people can't accept that something just isn't meant for them. There are literally thousands of games, movies and albums getting released every year so if you don't like something, just don't buy it and move on instead of complaining to (and sometimes about) those of us who are looking forward to it.
Edit: this might not strictly be the most toxic behavior but it makes social interactions super annoying, even in small groups and it seems to coincide with people who are overall fond of forcing their personal views and beliefs on others.
I think you nailed it when you wrote " forcing their personal views and beliefs on others". That is what we see happening now with people trying to control others. We see it in government and with religion. It is trickling down to where the common person feels it is not only okay to do, but that they must do it to compete with others and get ahead.
I think a lot about how "good" and "fun" are two different things.
You can have a game that's a fascinating exploration of a theme that really unifies mechanics and story, but is an absolute downer of misery to play.
You can also have a game that's a glorified slot machine with bugs, no real player input, and abusive monetization, but people's brains light up playing it.
There's some subjectivity of course, but sometimes I see games that are good at what they're trying to be, but I don't have any fun with them. Some people seem to demand those overlap all the time.
I would say that‘s an entirely different point. If someone likes to literally watch paint dry, who am I to invade their discussions tell them they shouldn’t? Let people like what they like even if you personally think it’s neither good nor fun.
What I was trying to get at is something can be worthwhile even if you don't personally enjoy it.
It does also sometimes stem from people's inability to elaborate. Like if you dislike something, there's a reason you hate it. That's why I especially hate reviews like "it's mid" or "it's goated"/"it's peak" like they barely help.
I think those people lack understanding that whether something is good or bad is an opinion. They don't think they need to elaborate on why it's bad because they believe it's a universal fact that it's bad
Yes, I quite agree. I get so irritated when people complain that a movie is coming out that they don't personally want to see. Why is it so hard to just not watch it? Thousands of other movies are coming out that you aren't watching. It's easier to not watch than to watch. Watching it takes effort.
I don't play video games at all. I don't go around whining "they should stop making video games, nobody wants to play them"
That with hard work, grit, and determination you can become wealthy in the USA too.
Conservatism, probably. The whole in-group supremacy thing is pretty bad.
In-group suoremacy isn't restricted to conservatism though, sadly.
Probably not the worst, but my personal worst that comes to mind is manosphere bullshit that spreads like wildfire among men who aren't happy with their life. I can sadly even see it with some friends, they don't fully buy into it but most men are vulnerable to it because it's an easy "solution".
Well, that's the social contract that define's society. It's literally damaging to society.
Anyone I've heard say this IRL is usually mid act of going out of their way to antagonize everyone around them for absolutely no reason.
on the flipside, ime this can look like drawing necessary boundaries too.
That all men are evil, I admit I'm a sinner of this. My terrible experiences make me think men are evil but I know that's wrong and toxic I'm working on it. I must admit tho that these experiences constantly happening are making it too difficult 🙃
I read something the other day that sorta explains this. I felt the same way you do. But what I read was that women know that all men aren’t evil. But they aren’t sure which one’s are. It just clicked in my head and helped me understand the mentality.
That's the same reason people don't trust cops. Some cops are good but you can't always be sure which ones are bad and so interacting with any of them is risky
You are not wrong.
Trauma responses are hard. I think it's great you're actively working on it and are conscious of your own biases, that's huge. Good luck!
You just haven't gone far enough; all women are evil too.
Incuriousity
I will never understand people who think they already know everything they need to know.
Thing is, sometimes it takes more effort to know something than you have the energy to put.
“Most toxic” depends on who’s annoyed this week, but there are a few recurring mental habits that reliably rot discourse without even trying.
My biggest pet peeve is probably moral absolutism, often disguised as clarity. That’s the mindset where everything gets forced into clean categories of pure good vs pure evil, with zero tolerance for the rainbow of nuance.
Next up is identity-as-proof. If someone is in Group X, then they must believe Y, and any counterexample is treated as an anomaly or betrayal. It saves effort because you don’t have to think, just sort people into bins and react accordingly.
Then there’s algorithmic certainty syndrome, which is more modern and a bit more subtle. People get used to feeds that reinforce their priors so efficiently that disagreement starts to feel like statistical noise. So instead of updating beliefs, they just escalate confidence. Nothing says “epistemic humility” like being completely wrong with confidence.
Another one is transactional morality: “If I’m right, I’m allowed to be as harsh as I want.” Which turns every disagreement into a license for cruelty, as if correctness automatically comes with behavioral immunity.
And underneath a lot of it is something simpler and more disconcerting: comfort with not understanding things before judging them. People are so eager to tell others what they are by labeling them and defining them rather than simply talking about themselves (you... vs. I...)
That efficiency is an absolute good.
Additionally - That asset stripping and profiteering are "efficient". It's a bit of a euphemism at this point I think.
Most companies I've worked for have cut their resources to the bone in search of efficiencies which are more accurately described as shareholder profit maximisations, but are pitched as "just in time" operation. Why hire two people when one can do a good enough job at half the pay. Why fabricate something locally when we can get a third party in SE Asia to make the same thing for peanuts and then charge EU pricing in our market.
Neither maximise efficient operations, just the efficient extraction of profit.
One thing I noticed in India, and perhaps elsewhere too that happiness is on the other side of whatever goal one has, usually something that is sold as hustle or hardwork. I am not talking about people who don't earn enough to afford even basics and are told that they don't earn enough because they don't work hard enough. These people are simply playing a rigged game.
I am talking about usually well-off people who earn enough, but not enough to be happy. These people don't realize that in their case happiness is just due to an internal lack and not due to external factors. These people try to buy and consume in order to fill a void that cannot be filled through external stuff or status.
Internal vs external locus of control.
That they're player 1 and everyone else is an NPC.
Yes, main character syndrome. They have no awareness of their actions from another person's perspective. They play by different rules than they expect others to play by because they're the main character
that having awareness of misogyny is actually misandry
That a life has to be made worth something instead of it being intrinsically valuable.
I'd say nihilism and apathy. Of course life has no objective meaning, it has the meaning we assign to it. I remember someone telling me "humans are selfish, we can't change things for the better" or something to that effect. It really pissed me off. With that attitude, you sure as shit can't. If we all came together, we absolutely could force positive change.
The fact that life has no inherent meaning is my primary motivator to give it meaning. No one decides what I mean except me, and I say I mean something.
Way too many young people (in the west, I'm not sure about elsewhere) are extremely pessimistic about the future. They aren't necessarily wrong they also feel like they don't have any control. It definitely opens a window for radicalisation, but it's just sad to see.
People have warped views about where is worthy of living. In the US people are all about big coastal/hip cities. Like Portland and Austin aren't coastal but they're still hip. That wouldn't be so bad if they didn't trash on non-coastal cities. I don't know how these people think to build some sort of working class solidarity when you shit on the homes of the majority of peoples who may not want to live in a dense city environment
Similar to that is weird exoticism of people in other countries and their lifestyles. Like I've known people that have moved from the US to Ecuador to escape growing fascism and I'm puzzled that they must have done zero research into this. Same with moving from the US to France because they're anti-imperialist and I'm just puzzled. France has been continuously imperialist for centuries. No pause.
Then the ones that self-style as a refugee when moving to a poorer country. You're moving from a wealthy country with your savings and many of your belongings, often keeping your job but working remote, often keeping your citizenship. These people have more in common with European colonists in America than someone escaping war in southeast asia 50 years ago or like Sudanese refugees today. These people are also very awkward to talk to these actual refugees and their children especially when they're living wherever they can in a country to make it rather than like Seattle
All that really to say about how little interest people want to be a part of uplifting their home communities. Their countries communities. I don't care how little you care for Oklahoma because of politics, you should want people to thrive there. Especially if you fancy yourself some social progressive that cares about native Americans
And this warped view ends up having people spend so much money on things that aren't needed to make them happy. Maybe you see way funnier stuff at improv shows in New York City. That doesn't mean you can't have a good time at one in Omaha Nebraska. You can help grow that. Too many people that just want to move to a city and consume and get pissed off that the cities with built out amenities are expensive. So then move to a cheap country and continue to contribute nothing. Just consume. So move to Ecuador to be rich and contribute nothing culturally nor politically to prevent some fascistic rise they "fled" growing in the US or France or UK, etc
I view it like a supercharged American moderate that MLK Jr spoke about that people love to cite. The American moderate shares that video to claim they're not a moderate. People in wealthy countries find any reason to not have to be a part of change and hope they can move to their ideal community that will entertain them. And in the case of moving to a poorer country, their ideal home wasn't actually leftism and setting up their communities to thrive in the future - it was being rich. It's a lot worse today I believe because of social media. A lot of people consume enough self help books and socializing tips YouTube along with lifestyle influencers and now we have an impotent leftist movement. Approach to lifestyle like a wealthy conservative but wrap it in messaging of wellness, socialism, whatever
The Apaches and Comanches know this very well. Include blacks in the equation now.
Where do you want to go with that? That can be said about the treatment of every non-white European people's by white Europeans around the world. Native Americans are still very present in the US just ignored. People in the US and Europe also seem to pay no care for refugees from wars brought on by their countries imperialist/colonial wars. Nor do they seem to recognize native hispanics as native Americans nor people in the Middle East as people indigenous to those lands. American, European, Australian, etc tourists don't seem to recognize people other than natives on reservations in the US and Canada as indigenous to any lands. These can be said to discourage every civil rights activist in the past to present. Can be said to anyone working for the ACLU today. Those in medical research in NATO countries today. People today have to work towards something.
The spirit of America and European countries have been for the last ~600 years, marked by slavery, genocide, colonialism, imperialism. Going forward it will be something. It's far from as bad as it once was but it's trending back towards overt imperialism again and internal opposition has to be better than they were in the past because in the past they were terrible at it.
People that leave the US, France, UK, Netherlands, Spain, Canada, Australia, etc countries to poorer countries to take advantage of their relative wealth to live out life as a wealthy conservative are not contributing to society in their home country nor the country they're trying live a life of tourism in. And it is no surprise that conservatives succeed so much in politics when lean lefts are so quick to give up and recluse themselves from politics of not just where they were born but every country in the world so they can just enjoy themselves. Live life. Focus on their own spirituality. On their own art. Mental health. There's no balance. It's all just consumerism and hedonism dressed up for the art district. Etc. It's being selfish and self-centered
Buddy, my point was that there's no benevolent USAmerican spirit. It's just propaganda that you eat since birth. It's nice you get it. On immigration: when not complete morons go overseas they get how weird the North American society is.
In America being inconvenient by something is the greatest sin. It's horseshit.
anthropomorphising pets. IMO it's a mental condition.
Climate change ignorance on the other hand is existential to civilisations existence and is being ignored, so humans are able to jump through all sorts of mental hoops
I'd been noticing lately how IG e.g. (or whatever, echo chamber/filter bubble) was feeding me a lot of man-child hate, and at some point felt it was getting to me a bit too much. Made me intolerant towards strangers and less likely to give someone at least a chance, which is how I normally am. And I know incel culture quite well too, so it seems like a really toxic, alienating combo. Not because we are supposed to just get married and breed and shut up for the greater GDP, but just for basic human trust and empathy.
I often see it online and I think in the western world: everything is bad. Like sure there are a lot of problems, but this will never change. Even near utopia people will feel like the last bit of problem is unbearable, because it kind of is. But don't have it stop you from living your life because not being able to help yourself will also stop you from being able to help others.
Things might actively get worse or better. Who cares what value is in that knowledge.
I know it's because many people have clinical depression, I struggled with it for a long time. If you find that you believe that the world is a bad place - most healthy people disagree. It's hard to believe but it's true. Maybe ask some people around you if they like their life, how much they enjoy themselves, how bad they feel when doing chores etc. Most things in life are bearable. 🖤
Assuming the worst about people.
It's so common and pervasive that even as I was reading the comments thinking about it, I fell for it while reading one of the comments.
The idea that the average person is stupid, and has no desire or ability to learn anything new.
Bro seriously doesn't know what "average person" is
That discomfort, or your feelings in general, are a reliable indicator of morality or good/badness
Its the root of a lot of chauvinism, but also just a common thinking trap you see across many different subcultures and spaces
Was going to say Spectrum B/C disorders, C/PTSD, which comes from trauma, toxic environments, and sometimes some different brain workings. The most tragic part is, these conditions are extremely treatable, a couple are reversible, with good, ongoing talk therapy and shadow work, which is so very inaccessible to those who want them and often easily accessible to those who don't.
‘Fuck you, pay me’
The worse it is, the more attention it gets.
When people assume anything they don't personally understand is bullshit
They don't know how the spread of viruses works, so they conclude it's a conspiracy. Not only do they conclude this, they refuse to change the conclusion when presented with new information. You explain as simply as possible why pandemic precautions are taken and they just won't accept new information.
They don't understand how a person can be a gender different from what their genitals imply and so they assume such people are simply delusional. Look, I understand how one hearing about it for the first time might think that but even when new information about the topic is given to them, they just refuse to accept it. They can't get past "man penis woman vagina" no matter how much information is given, they assume if they didn't know it before it must be bullshit
I guess part of the reason they think this way is a need to defend their original position even if it's refuted with new information. To them, the goal of conversation and debate isn't to learn, it's to win. No matter what new information is given, they still need to come up with a way their original position is still correct. They see it a personal failure to have ever been wrong, not realizing it's a bigger personal failure to remain wrong when they have been informed and now know better
This rant got off my original point a bit. Sorry for the ramble. I guess what I've really identified is a bunch of interconnected unhealthy thought patterns
Feminism
Woke mind virus.
Care to explain what you mean by that?
Sure.
Clearly I struck a nerve with everyone, which I find hilarious.
I'm not a MAGAT. I said that because it's legitimate and true to some degree whether I agree with the words woke mind virus or not it was a means to explain the phenomenon.
Everyone has some sort of idea, intuition, theory, about literally everything now days in some crazy fashion, 5g world domination, implants in blood draws, wild things you see. The government, food, tech, tv shows. What I was speaking on loosely and fast just as a simple comment to OP was that there literally seems like a woke mind virus now days because its ingrained in everyone.
I only used woke mind virus because that's what most people see on the news and hear about, so they understand loosely the context I speak about. Was more to get my point across, be active in this sub, and be relatable to OP. Again. Not a MAGAT so everyone commenting and being offended, while your entitled to feel how you feel my post was simply taken far out of context.
Edit: I think this post helps prove my point or atleast reaffirm what I was meaning. Everyone below was quick to lash out, downvote, with any sort of understanding or discussion. That in and of itself is part of the issue. People being so ingrained in their feelings and view that it inhibits productive discussion and behaviour.
you seem to be describing conspiracy theorists, or fantastical thinkers. "wokeism" is just a derogatory way fascists refer to queer people or leftists as if they were a conspiracy.
Well I'm not one to laugh when I go into a room full of people and upset everyone. But you do you I guess.
To my understanding "woke mind virus" is far different than the things you described. What you described are common misinformation given to people in lower economic backgrounds to sow discourse among the working class . To me the "woke mind virus" is more of an understanding of how systemic racism and sexism in many laws have kept many people intentionally in poverty.
In short, you're like, using the words wrong around here bruv.
I suppose I was a bit pedantic about it, what I really mean is that people take things far too personal and it's a bit ridiculous to me. Perhaps I should not have said it was hilarious it was more of an expression of absurdity to me.
English is not my language. I do my best. I contribute, I write in english to do better learning. I still think if you look at some of the replies on Lemmy an to my comment above. People don't have open minds. Quick to ridicule and cast out. Most people seem to have the view of theirs and only theirs. Everyone opposing is bad. That is not good for anyone and the world.
Yeah there seems to be a lot of closed mindedness everywhere. And I think people were always quick to ridicule and cast out. At least that's what my dad's music says at least. 😅
I guess we've had different experiences. I don't think most people I meet feel like it's their way only. Except for a few notable exceptions 🇺🇸. I do think that a lot of people feel and think the opposing "side" is bad.
But at the same time I don't really blame people for being that way. The stakes are seem to be getting higher.
One example that comes to mind is in my country. The highest level of government overturned a law that protected the bodily autonomy of women a few years ago. In my country if you have a uterus in some places, the local governments can imprison, and even put you to death if your pregnancy goes a way the government doesn't like. I have not heard of anyone being executed yet though. Only imprisoned.
Essentially one half of our species trying to subjugate the other half. Oh and by the way, it's been that for a really long time. Down with the Patriarchy. ♀️
Or just the other day; A person in one of the most powerful positions of our species threatened to wipe out an entire civilization.
I agree that almost all of the conflict and suffering our species places on ourselves is a waste of time, hampering us, and is bad. But for some people it is a fight for survival. And I suspect those people most likely won't be open-minded with "only a little genocide!".
I spent way too much time writing this so I probably won't respond. I'm going to play some Foxhole. Good luck in the trials ahead for our species in the coming years, stranger. Don't forget Trans Rights Are Human Rights. 🏳️⚧️
Unfortunately, to a lot of people, this does relate to something personal.
And to demand perfect rationality of people in such situations, or those sympathizing with said people, doesn't seem very... rational.
Don't feed the troll..
Nah, I guess it's the right thing to try to engage in a productive discussion. Might sound stupid but lemmy is far smaller than traditional social media. It's like a local tavern of social medias, and there's isn't an endless supply of trolls like there's on other social medias. Besides having conversation with someone of opposing ideas is always welcomed.
Not a troll lol
how did you even end up here? shouldn't you be on like X or something?
Is OC not answering the question? Belief in a “woke mind virus” is a popular toxic mentality nowadays.
Correct. This is what I was stating but Lemmy took it out of context. Oh well.
The way it was worded contributed to that.
Why even comment lol. I came with the reddit exodus and been active here. I hate other social media. And as far as my comment. I think it's entirely in line especially with Lemmy culture.
Without any elaboration, this is just a regressive buzzphrase and people will inevitably interpret it as such.
Nature abhors a vacuum, and at best, you will be asked to elaborate (which you could have done to begin with).
I am trying my best to think you had good but misguided intentions in commenting this, but I'm not sure what these are.