Spyke
frongtreply
lemmy.zip

First the Pope, now Orban's government, what next!

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Or doesn't hang out with Vance, which would be a very rare thing he and I agree on

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Also Canada.

Hopefully he's still in office to come to Australia in mid 2028 and ensure us a Labor/Greens victory.

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lietuvareply
lemmy.world

Nice cat. Is Vance popular at all? Cause it looks he is angrier and less charismatic version of Trump. It looks that even hard core far-right don't like him

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lol, no, not at all. only the MAGA die-hards like him, but not all that much.

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shani66reply
ani.social

I think there are a few fringe movements that don't hate him, but he's literally where he is as a threat to anyone who would impeach Trump.

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slaacaareply
lemmy.world

I hope he at least ate some nice goulash and lángos, otherwise not much point of dropping by

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Brilliant news for Hungary, Europe and Ukraine.

Now let's watch the theatrics of Vance crying about interference.

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lemmy.world

I must admit, even though he was down in the polls, I still expected him to win somehow. It gives me a little glimmer of hope that the world may not become an authoritarian hellscape.

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marcosreply
lemmy.world

I didn't really expect him to lose. But I had serious doubts if he would get out of the government after it.

But then, I don't know the details.

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Even if he lost with a close result, he could have blocked lots of change. Fortunately, his opponent has a 2/3 majority, so Orban can't do anything. 😃

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Gsus4reply
mander.xyz

If the loss is big enough, there is no way to get the foot in the door, might not waste the political capital of a tantrum to keep doing damage leading opposition.

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And the loss is basically a wipeout. They are practically irrelevant in Parliament, and Tisza, unlike in Poland, can just boot out any of their appointees as they have a supermajority.

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The massive turnout also made it impossible to pull anything funny. It's relatively easy to slip in a few thousands of fake votes when you control the electoral apparatus, but trying to skew such a lopsided election with such an high participation rate would create participation rates above 100% in some places.

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I'm very proud of Hungary. Even with the media capture and social media bombardment, the nation saw through the fog. And that voter turnout percentage is something I've never heard of in my lifetime in my country.

Edit: and now, best of luck to them dealing with white nationalism, homophobia and Zionism.

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slaacaareply
lemmy.world

Thanks for sending J.D. Vance our way, it definitely helped!

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I am getting the feeling that JD is not really talented in politics

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slrpnk.net

Yay. :)

I also note the turnout is huge, in the early evening, 75% of eligible people had voted.

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75% of eligible people had voted

Fuck, if only the US could do this.

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79.5% is the final number. Absolutely insane, people really had enough or Orban

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lemmy.world

Someone please tell me the opposition winner is legit and not another Russian stooge

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lemmy.world

Hard to tell right now. He used to be one of Orban's buddies up until a few years ago. He's saying the right things right now - less corruption, more services for Hungarians, closer ties to the EU and NATO.

But we'll see. From what I understand, Orban was also seen as a progressive about 20 years ago. But then Putin and greed got their hooks into him. Hopefully the new guy is legit.

If he is legit, I wonder his this will shift the dynamic in the EU. Without Hungary vetoing everything Putin doesn't like, does this clear the path more for Ukraine joining the EU and/or NATO? I know there are a lot of other factors in okay. But the people of Hungary might have just helped others and not just themselves.

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That will truly be a major test. Man, I'm hoping for a legitimate win for once. This could be the biggest shift since Carney's victory in Canada. I've also sadly seen how gullible people can believe lies like, "America First" and "No New Wars," and take a pathological liar at their word. Leaving aside the longer-term games being played by billionaires.

Here's hoping for the best. I'm just honestly a bit shocked that he relinquished power this easily.

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sopuli.xyz

There's another EU member with a russian stooge in power, isn't there? I could be wrong but I think it was Slovakia that recently elected one.

Still great news that Orban is out.

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0x0reply
lemmy.zip

I was gonna say Belarus but they're not in the EU.

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slaacaareply
lemmy.world

C’mon, guy is a lot of things but not a friend to Russia

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0x0reply

Let's hope he doesn't suffer from sudden and acute defenestration.

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He’s against support for Ukraine. So, outlook not so good. On paper, he’s an improvement over Orbán but he’s still at least center-right. We won’t know until he starts implementing policies.

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He’s legit, no worries on that front. Implementing policies and promises - let’s see, but I’m optimistic

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lemmy.ca

I can't even imagine the elation Hungarians must be feeling right now!

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slaacaareply
lemmy.world

It was insane, we partied until 3 am on the streets of Budapest. People were hanging from poles, shooting fireworks and dancing

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Big congratulations to the people of Hungary. Hopefully this is the start of a much better chapter in their country's history.

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Scrollonereply
feddit.it

Let's hope, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Orbán was already burnt, maybe they just put a new puppet (they = a country that produces vodka).

Let's see if he actually restores democracy.

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Thank you! Feels good to be a Hungarian again after decades of shame

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vga
sopuli.xyz

In the back of my head, I'm slightly worried when a European country has a party that has more than 50% of the seats. We're supposed to not be two-party systems.

But on every other part of my head, this feels great. Good stuff, hungarians! I wish I had free money to invest into Hungary. Seems like a safe bet right now.

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lemmy.zip

As I understand it, Orban has rewritten the laws so the biggest party gets an unproportional amount of seats. Works well when you are able to keep the opposition fractured, but less well when your comeuppance finally arrives.

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Hopefully the new party will roll back those laws and make it more fair in future.

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Other EU countries have a similar unfair system. They're quite easy to spot because they usually have 2 parties that get 90%+ of the seats.

Once that system is in place, the incentives of the party in power are to keep it, because they'd lose a supermajority if they win the next election cycle.

I honestly don't know how you could fix the system once it's so entrenched. I think it can only change if people become aware of how their shitty political situation (only 2 viable parties) is entirely created by this electoral system, and somehow demand a change.

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Most important: it's even a 2/3 majority. Without that, Orban could have still blocked most of the changes. Now, he cannot.

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looked set to win 94 of Hungary’s 106 voting districts.

Hell yeah.

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JFC, things have gotten so bad that we are cheering for some Hungarian conservative winning an election.

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lemmy.world

He's probably packing his suitcases for an "extended stay" in Russia. And some of them will be packed with money and gold...

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lemmy.world

What’s the catch? Just watched John Oliver and got the impression this was impossible

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Wispy2891reply
lemmy.world

Orban put so many of his cronies everywhere, it will take years if not decades to restore the country

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sopuli.xyz

Since it's a 2/3 blowout, all of those can be simply removed.

The biggest danger going forward is Tisza becoming corrupt by either not going through with removing them, or becoming like Fidesz was.

They state they won't.

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lemmy.zip

My hope was that Tisza would be 1 or 2 seats away from the super majority and there would be another opposition party (non orban, non nationalist) in parliament to actually be there to stamp things

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The thing is that the only parties I'd trust with that are the ones that stepped back before the election. The only three others on the ballot were the ultranationalist Mi Hazánk, the collaborator DK, and well, MKKP. If that scenario happened with any one of these, they could be paid to be obstructionists.

There is no getting around it, the people will have to keep them to account to implement term limits and the anti-corruption measures they were running on themselves.

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Hopefully not. New party has 2/3rds majority, meaning they will clean house - new AG, new supreme court, election laws, etc. They can do what they want, which is a risk, but there is no other way to defeat Orban’s state capture

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Finally, good news since Mamdani!

I'm so happy for Hungary and for the EU! Hungarians, u rock!!! :))

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While i'm happy Órban is out, do remember that Magyar is Órban-lite and Órban spent 16 years ensuring he'll be hard to get rid of. Magyar may've won the election but he's not in the clear yet.

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Good job, friends. Now, a republic once again... if you can keep it.

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reddthat.com

Couch fucking, pope killing, election fucking loser

They need to stop letting the couch fucker meet with people... he obviously represents a bad omen for their cult, and it's showing

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This is great news, I will go and buy some fancy wine and nice beer and share with my family and neighbours tomorrow! Cheers folks!

(I know tough times are coming bit this makes things so much better!)

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