Trump Wrecked In Devastating Poll As Most Americans Say He’s ‘Worse Than Biden’ — With Whopping 18 Point Swing
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Biden wasn't in the Epstein files.
Biden wasn't a traitor. He also didn't bankrupt a casino
Biden had all kinds of programs that looked out for US citizens and built up our healthcare and education.
biden also had all kinds of programs that specifically helped rural people who voted for trump. the chips act brought battery factories (now cancelled thanks to tariffs) AND his infrastructure bill that is bringing high speed internet to rural country right now.
Fucking sleepy Joe put Trump in the erosten files. What a monster.
To run a successful casino, you need to make your customers feel like they’re winning and you’re losing. Trump is incapable of that.
Aybody defending another country more than their own is a traitor
Waaaaiiiit. Mr. Burns did those things too!
Biden also didn't diddle his own kids.
Or cheat on every single wife he had.
He did willfully neglect putting one in prison, while telling his citizens what a threat he'd be if not imprisoned, and elected again, though. Not super generous of him.
Nah but Biden also didn't make sure to choose an AG to actually put the motherfuckers in the Epstein files behind bars, either. It's not like the Epstein information magically appeared when Trump became President, he literally ran in 2024 on the fact that Democrats hadn't released the files. This information was available when Biden was President. Epstein was (very likely) murdered while Trump was President the first time.
So, fuck Biden anyway, he was focusing on all this "decorum" shit when it comes to a fucking network of pedophiles and rampant corruption and oops didn't want to make it "lOoK PoLiTiCaL" to go after criminality. Now the same people they didn't want to look political prosecuting don't give one single fuck about looking political in prosecuting their perceived enemies.
Fuck, Biden was literally handed a free pass when the Supreme Court ruled that when a President does it, it's not a illegal. He could have done any number of things to prevent this with the backing of a Supreme Court decision that was tailored to support Trump but technically applied to any President.
Democrats may not be in the files, but they sat on their fucking asses writing strongly worded letters and throwing up their hands going "but it's too hard to make sure they go down! Gears of justice turn slowly, so slowly that Trump can be voted back into office even with all this hanging over him!"
It's a crock of shit, Democrats are culpable for not taking this fight to the mat and instead being wishy washy limp dicks who handed over the reigns of the government to corruption twice in a row.
Yeeeepppp the controlled opposition party made sure to protect their billionaires
The actions of the Democratic party don't even warrant the term. Look at Schumers and Jefferies response to the literal kidnapping of a sovereign head of state. They were basically mad Trump didn't do the right paper work, but fully supported the action.
It's not even his appointment of Garland, though, who is equally guilty. Trump could have been Biden's Al Copone, who Hoover made his personal mission to take down. It's ultimately the leader's job to protect their citizens, and he was apparently too lazy.
Biden didn't shit himself during a press conference.
There were at least two "Biden pooped themselves" incidents. One was the DDay memorial. The second was an audience with the pope.
I honestly don't even care if our president accidentally shits themselves. I mean, it happens.
What I do care about is if our president has such a fragile ego that they'll lie and punish other people because they shit their pants. The kind of person who will accuse everyone else of shitting their pants, but only because that person's own pants are constantly weighed down by dookies. The kind of person who can't forgive themselves for a little brown downtown, so they steal and extort an entire country, just so that they can extort other countries and become friends with other people who love lying about their bowel movements.
And the problem with that, is that other people do. And if you don't pick a candidate that is acceptable to a broad enough coalition to win the election: you don't win the election.
Its not a matter of what you'll accept out of a candidate; its a matter of what the electorate will accept as a candidate. And while you might be accepting of pants-shitter to make some of the most impactful decisions that will affect almost every person on the planet, the American people wont. You being willing to accept less makes you irrelevant; you aren't a vote we need to work to get. Which is fine. Its your vote. Do what you will. You don't need to have standards.
But, by putting the bar so low and accepting a pants-shitter, you sabotage our collective ability to actually get that person into office. It should be obvious to you now, that not enough other people wanted to elect a pants-shitter. And as a cohort, the Biden apologists, by insisting that everyone else lower their standards to that of a geriatric who was barely present, these people are saboteurs who kneecapped our ability to stop Trump.
And since you have such low standards, I expect that you should be willing to accept that your view doesn't matter and shouldn't be weighted as highly as people who need something more, like a specific set of policies or a certain level of competency. We don't need to work for your vote: you'll vote for a pants-shitter. This is great because it lets us narrow down the field to candidates for people who do have some standards, for example, that they don't want to vote for someone who is an advocate for genocide them as a people. Or who want police reform. Or any number of other issues. Literally any ones opinion should be weighted more highly, since, like you said, you'll basically vote for anyone, even a barely walking, senile geriatric, who shits their pants on stage.
That's some impressively aggressive ableist language dripping throughout your comment. I assume your words come from anger and not thinking about perspectives other than the one that upsets you the most. Lots of people shit their pants, it wasn't something that our last two presidents invented.
Behold, a president who needed significant assistance, because he'd otherwise have shit his pants. And possessed the kind of personality I mentioned where he wouldn't have made pointing out other people's poopie pants his entire identity:
Okay, but it's not like these are people with lifelong conditions and injuries that cause a disability. They're just so god damn old they have allegedly lost bowel control.
That certainly happens to many with age, but if you are old enough to have lost bowel control from age alone I'm going to question if that advanced age has not effected their mental capacity.
Our leaders need to be mentally competent. Suffering physical symptoms of advanced age makes it seem like they are/were not able to handle the very demanding job of running the country
We know its not in good faith and they're showing their whole ass with their response. They don't want to be responsible for the fact that in carrying water for these Dems they paved the way for fascism.
Ablist? Are you having a fucking laugh right now?
He supported the terrorist state that Epstein was working for and that is a safe heaven for pedophiles
Right and Trump is doing much better than Biden on that front? Talk about mental gymnastics, phew.
No Trump is not doing better in that front , it doesn't mean you have to defend Biden and whitewash him
Biden would have released the file if Israel was not involved . Biden prefer to protect Israel over revealing Trump involvement with Epstein . Not to say that Trump is not also involved in supporting Israeli genocidal war
Didn’t need to be, he is a full on self-avowed Zionist.
He couldn't make life affordable either so that's why I didn't vote for him in 2024.
You didn't vote for Biden because he wasn't even on the ballot in 2024 lol
Well I could have wrote his name in but I didn't.
Under no other president did I fear for the lives of so many Americans.
At work, we used to talk about dumb shit. Who brought M&Ms or cupcakes. How some random movie ended.
Now, some of my coworkers are terrified. We had a incident where some masked goons rushed up on a random woman and when we all came out, they ran away.
Our manager openly said, "None of them are allowed in the building." And during the worse of it, my manager brought a shotgun.
Average office workers are arming themselves.
This is what this orange motherfucker did.
I'm amazed more people aren't standing their ground (opening fire) when masked goons jump out of an unmarked car and try to kidnap someone. So much for all that second amendment peacocking eh
Because they're not out in force in places where a high percentage of people carry.
When they raided Chicago ICE specifically stayed away from the really bad parts because they didn’t wanna get shot.
Exactly. This is also why they have targeted schools, daycares, and other spaces they know they’re less likely to encounter strong resistance.
Also exactly why they don’t go to red states with lax gun laws, among other reasons.
I live in Tucson, where there are a ton of Mexicans, and I've been wondering why it hasn't been as bad here. And yes, Arizona does have really lax gun laws.
Time will tell, and they (admin and gestapo) will get desperate - please do what you can to prepare for the worst with the understanding that it could and likely will be much worse.
I really wish I am overreacting and sounding unnecessary alarm, however fresh horror reaches us everyday and proves we’re not worried or prepared enough.
This is the correct answer. They're hitting blue cities where it's mainly left leaning people who are anti-gun. Why hit a 2a strong hold if you're probably going to meet force. They'll kill for the paycheck, but they don't want to die for it.
Plus most people have no combat training. I can handle aggressive drivers no problem. If masked thugs rush me with drawn weapons, I will very effectively shit myself at best, run hard at worst
People just don't want to be involved, and I'm not going to judge them for that.
As in, I have a wife and 2 young kids. My purpose in life is to care for and support them. If I'm at work or whatever and some goons show up to abduct someone I don't know, I'm not going to start blasting and go down in a blaze of glory because of an ideological position.
If you or your wife/kids were being abducted and sent to the camps, would you be happy knowing everyone else stood by not wanting to get involved?
I get being scared, but inaction is destroying countless families. If everyone stands together, the risk factor goes down.
The comment i replied to is advocating shooting at ICE goons.
Have you shot any of them recently?
Put your dick away mate.
Actually I wasn't advocating for shit. I was merely observing that this is the literal scenario you guys stated you needed your emotional support weapons for, and how I'm surprised no one is using them.
Makes sense that they're targeting less gun-prone areas, but still, there's gotta be some percentage of carry-ers outside of NY no?
I agree with (Edit:
the commenter)Aussie though; I'll post the full quote here so maybe even one more person sees it and internalizes it. Link to the Holocaust EncyclopediaSure ok, but my explanation as to why people aren't shooting at ICE agents remains the same.
The "they came for" quote is emotive, but a great many people are indeed "speaking out", and taking action in non-violent ways.
Quite obviously, people aren't shooting at ICE because they don't want to get shot.
The truth is there would be more incidents of people fighting back if all the people here actually stood by what they say.
Notice how there isn't. Talk is cheap and this place proves it.
The truth is- youre exactly right. People don't stupidly sacrifice themselves knowing there is no popular pushback. And at this moment there is not that popular notion that things need to be overturned.
I have a very small family, including people who are in very vulnerable groups that MAGA hates. Right now, I have to mind my manners, because they rely on me. But if ANYTHING were to happen to those people, I would have nothing left to lose, and I would become very dangerous indeed.
And I'm not going down in a blaze of glory either. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I would be far more calculated and surgical.
An ideological position like democracy, freedom and liberty? This is why the US is where it is. Those things don't come from nothing. They come from people willing to fight for them.
And if you don't resist, they'll kill you anyway. Now what?
Not necessarily. There's loads of ways to resist without getting myself shot.
The second amendment people are absolutely on the side of Trump. They are more likely to shoot people who try to stop ICE than anything else.
We have more guns in the US than every single US citizen and we have lost more lives to gun violence than every war we have ever fought combined.
Guns don't solve our problems. It truly takes an idiot to believe they do.
Anyone talking about action against ICE agents has lost the plot. ICE is the symptom, not the disease. You don't treat tuberculosis by targeting the coughing with Robitussin. You treat tuberculosis by targeting the bacteria with antibiotics. Address the cause of the problem, not the effect.
The person you need to be registering your complaint with is your local oligarch. Any action you want to take toward ICE, redirect it to the richest person within driving distance.
JFC
I mean, were you around during the Cuban missile crisis?
Trump's a total piece of shit, but I do think there's some serious recency bias.
The Drug War under Reagan, the War on Terror under Bush, numerous tense years during the height of the Cold War - Stalin getting the H-bomb, Egypt closing the Suez, MacArthur getting forced out of North Korea, the Tet Offensive and subsequent protests, epidemics from AIDS to Polio...
Things have been bad in the US on and off for a while.
I'd be willing to bet quite a lot of money, maybe my mortgage, that the majority of Lemmy users, in fact, weren't around during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
They made an observation of their own experiences, that's not a statement anyone can disagree with.
Gotta develop a more historical outlook or you're doomed to repeat historical mistakes.
2/3rds of this country are absolutely just fucking assholes.
And stupid
And dumb
If they could stick with that, then it'd be a good*-sounding* idea -- who doesn't want to deport criminals who immigrated from somewhere else to be violent?
Sadly they're as incompetent as they are violent, and they can't even deliver on that since they don't even know the how of due process; or the why. It's a "best I can do is gestapo" kind of situation. And for that, they need a Nuremberg. And lots of rope.
Really hoping for a Nuremberg. I've got rope to donate to the cause.
The word "criminal" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I would expect local law enforcement to arrest criminals. I would then expect them to be deported. It doesn't mean people want local police to help ICE with their terrorist bullshit.
I think the framing of "criminal illegal immigrants" fucks with that data.
In every poll I've seen asking about how Trump's immigrant genocide is going, the numbers are far lower. Still far too high, but far lower.
I didn't see that statement in the article, where are you getting 67% from?
From the original poll itself that the article linked to.
https://harvardharrispoll.com/press-release-january-2026/
I read this in the original article:
And I wanted to know what policies were supported.
Huh. I see that now. I live in the SF Bay Area and it's kind of a bubble here but some of those poll numbers are hard to believe. I'd be curious to know how their polling was conducted, I didn't see any info on that. Maybe the rest of the country really is that fucked up, idk.
That's the only bit on methodology I saw in there, which isn't much at all.
Ah ok. Good to know, thanks.
That’s actually how it is supposed to work. Police arrest criminals. If they turn out to be undocumented then ICE is called. Now frame that question in a way that asks if they support what ICE is actually doing, which is harassing people based on ethnicity, yanking random people off the street, holding people in deplorable concentration camps, kicking in doors based on memos they call warrants, beating and gassing protestors, and murdering legal observers.
Falls in line with two thirds of the country being okay with Trump being president.
The guy is a fucking pedophile yet "worse than Biden" is needed to convince people
Talking about having priorities
"Biden is old."
"Hey, let's go with a guy that's equally old, but also a lifelong asshole, felon, rapist, and pedophile with 2 impeachments and a failed presidency already under his belt."
"Sounds great to me."
I’m betting it’s not just pedophilia.
I’m waiting for the documents that show he’s sent hits on victims and threatened their family.
And still no section 25.
Still no impeachment.
And still the MAGA mind churns.
Decades of indoctrination and conditioning is a hell of a drug.
Yeah, but the Epstein files, released under his admin, are like, all faked by the demonrats or whatever so
51% says Trump is doing a worse job than Biden? WTF is wrong with the other 49%!?
Biden wasn't great, but surely anything that's not bringing the US to the brink of dictatorship and civil war is better than anything that is?
Biden is still the best president we've had since Obama
Well... you're not wrong, but also its a super low bar lol
I've got plenty of criticism of Obama too, but he's easily the best US president of the 21st century, and it's not even close. And although nowhere near as good, Biden is still easily #2, because at least he didn't start two trillion dollar wars for nothing. And although he's pretty bad, Bush is still easily #3, because for all his many, many faults, at least he didn't usher in a full-blown fascist dictatorship driven by narcissism and stupidity.
There's no easier century to rank presidents.
What sad, is both Obama and Biden were handed entirely fucked up US Economies from the previous Repugnantcans: bush from the deregulation crash of Wall Street and Biden because everything the orange Nazi touches turns to shit.
Being the best president of the 21st century is also an incredibly low bar. Two of the five are child molesters!
in America
Ask Iraqis if they felt equally free.
That's why hes #3. Out of 4. He's still bad. They're all bad.
lol fair
I think Biden is the best President I've seen since George HW Bush. (Bush I, 88-92).
Yeah, at least he reacted to a financial crisis by giving money to people instead of corporations. Not enough money, but it was still going to mostly the right places. When the banks gambled with our money and caused a financial crisis Obama could've done the same thing and allocated housing money to people, which would "trickle up" to the banks. Instead he bailed them out with no strings attached so they could continue fucking everyone over.
Poor media-literacy and social media.
A lot of the time, poll results are based on how the poll is asked. If the questionaire was like: 1 trump worse than biden
2 external factor affected the situation
3 i like cheese
You can see how this is going to affect the final result. There's a whole science behind how to get the desired result from a poll without just faking the attendees
Or - now just hear me out here - it is possible - just possible - that there are people opposed to raping children and ruining the entire country...
Yeah but somewhat Biden was running child/organs/other trafficking and/or was a commie who wanted to destroy the US, and/or a satanist and a nazi.
And probably more things but I'm a bit lost in all the batshit crazy conspi cloud. Anyway: Newsmax, and probably Fox still, won't say Biden was better. And the other media are lying.
Right? Trump would NEVER!
he did all that while also somehow sleeping all the time
Trump is the worst president ever.
And now confirmed stinkiest.
Not even close to his worst characteristic.
This is staggering: 49 percent think Trump is at least doing as well as Biden. The mind boggles...
Not sure how anyone can be alive and experiencing the same reality as the rest of us and come to that conclusion. Let alone basically half the people asked. We are truly fucked.
They're not experiencing the same reality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
It's hardly surprising. While voting for Trump the first time could be an honest mistake - and possibly even the second time if you're truly a dumbass - the third time, Trump voters deliberately voted for a convicted felon, sex offender, patented liar, insurrectionist fascist. They knew exactly what they were doing, they wanted this and Trump delivered exactly what they wanted.
Those 49% are today's America: a disgusting, fascist America. They're the disease, Trump is only the symptom.
Functionally many of those people have never known life can be different. The benefit of Blue presidents barely gets felt in their states because of their Red state and local governments. But the Red state and local governments just point the finger at the Federal government, whenever Dems are in power, as the source of all their problems.
If the same wording is used with these same people, but pointing their issues to be the mega-corporations and the billionaires, then many of them do listen. The thing is, they want a simple fix, they want a simple solution, because they don’t have an educational background nor the time to sift through the nitty gritty. They’re okay with be lied to even, just so long as they’re being told the work is getting done regardless of what they may hear.
I'm in my 40s and I have never voted or have the opportunity to vote in any of these "approval ratings" that these places get.
LOL, what kind of metric is that? Biden may be kinda milquetoast in pursuing criminals like Donvict, but things were actually really quite good under his presidency.
A better metric is to say that Donvict is the worst president in history - he's such a dirtbag and a greedy little shit that he may very well destroy this country. He's that bad.
You forget how thoroughly demonized the democrats have been, both by opponents and even by supporters (deservedly in some cases). So just assume that when someone says “worse than Biden” just assume they’re centrist or nearly so, or just some selfish and short-sighted ass who found a leopard eating their face.
Correct. We must reject the assumption that Biden was bad in the first place. Overall, he was pretty good, but he really blew it badly in one regard.
Like all modern Democratic presidents, the first thing they have to do is introduce an Economic Stimulus Plan to fix the mess left by EVERY Republican president - Ford, Bush 41, Bush 43, and Trump. Republicans are historically terrible for the economy, and it's always up to Democrats to fix it.
But Biden also had to start a Covid Vaccine Program from scratch. Trump had the vaccine soon after losing, but ignored it in favor of his obsession with planning of his Insurrection, and the theft of hundreds of classified documents. So Biden launched a successful Vaccination program right out of the gate, simultaneous with a successful Economic Stimulus program, that quickly overtook their ambitious goals. For that, he would have been in the Top 15 among presidents.
But he also appointed the most feckless Republican in history as his AG, who then dithered and slow-walked the Trump crimes, giving him a two year head start on running out the clock. He also did nothing to punish anyone under 14A/S3. He put a bunch of MAGA Morons in jail, but allowed their leaders to remain in government, and then stood by and let them steal the election from right under our noses.
Imagine we let Hitler off the hook, and allowed him to take power again a few years later, where he only got worse? Biden, with the help of our elected Democratic officials, did exactly that. For that unforgivable malpractice, Biden's good works will be forgotten, and he will forever be known as the weakling who HELPED Trump to rise again, and he will settle among the Worst 15 presidents in American history.
It's a shame, he really had a decent presidency overall, but his cowardice in dealing with the rising MAGA threat ruined his legacy.
He was pretty milquetoast, but he got saddled with the post-covid 'wtf' the economy went through with shortages and price hikes combined with impacts from Russia's invasion....
None of it reasonably Biden's fault, but he got stuck with it happening on his watch so lot's of people need to blame something vaguely controllable so they blame and vote against the president.
Presidents are usually as likely to be defined by their circumstances as their actual actions or inactions.
The only actual thing I'm mad at Biden for is not putting this monster in prison when able.
Merrick Garland sure is fucking quiet now.
FUCK JOE BIDEN!!!
This motherfucker had ALL OF THESE EPSTEIN FILES and did NOTHING with them. NOTHING!!!!!
He did absolutely nothing to punish the wealthy/powerful behind January 6th, he did nothing with the pedophile ring and just peaced out and gave the keys to fucking Nazis.
He will forever be remembered as a complete failure. His legacy is Trump and letting our democracy get destroyed without any pushback.
I'm not even talking about that. That crap was under seal by a (I think GOP appointed) judge. IIRC, there was fuck all Biden could legally do there.
I'm talking about the open & shut espionage & sedition cases that the Biden DoJ had on Trump and completely squandered.
He's also guilty of enabling, and in some cases directly sending American armed forces to participate in, an internationally-recognized genocide.
Biden's name should literally never be able to be spoken without that fact being brought up.
He's kinda like Hindenburg in that regard. Though Hitler was a lot more efficient than Trump is now.
Boomers have overstayed their welcome. The spoiled generation took the greatest wealth ever seen, became spoiled by it, sqandered it, and left X, Millennials, Zoomers, and Alpha holding the bag (climate change, broken empire, insurmountable debt, political instability, unstable social safety net, etc.). They will not be missed.
Oh that's nice: for once a young person is pissing on the boomers without lumping us gen-Xers with them.
Cuz more and more now, I'm being told that I'm a scumbag, the scourge of society and that we all had it easy-peasy in the 80s. Because of course we did: obviously we're the cause of everything that's wrong in the world today, and our evil boomer parents even more so!
Oh well, inter-generational hate will always exist. You will know it too when you get older my young friend...
Not wrong. My boomer parent, who is still alive, is the subject of multiple daydreams a day involving a plot of land with a stone on it, no-one observing, and a stream of hot yellow liquid flowing on to it.
Worse than Biden? He's fucking worse than GWB!!!
Don't forget that GWB is one of the people responsible for the post-911 over-reaction that allowed all of this to happen. Both ICE and DHS were created under Bush. Extra-judicial torture was justified under Bush.
None of this would be possible without him.
True, true. But I could argue there was someone even more responsible than Bush...
You know it's bad when you hear progressives would take GWB again over the pedo n cheese
People were saying that 10 years ago
Even worse than Ronnie Raygun.
worse than Polk
Trump is up there as worst president of all time. Only president who was worse was Andrew Jackson. If this ICE stuff gets any worse he my become the king of worst presidents.
Andrew Johnson was by far the worst of all time for sabotaging Reconstruction. Basically every problem we have now including Trump/fascism is a direct result of Johnson's actions.
Johnson didn't invent racism. Even with Reconstruction proceeding properly, ALL those racists would have still been there, gumming up the works.
They got the three post-war Constitutional Amendments that formed the foundation of Reconstruction, and that was probably the biggest lift.
So Johnson was bad, but not the worst. Until now, the worst were those pre-war presidents like Buchanan that moved America toward Civil War.
Now, however, we have an actual traitor in the office, who is an asset for a hostile foreign enemy, has attempted an Insurrection, stole hundreds of classified documents, is mind-bogglingly and openly corrupt, and is a proven pedophile to boot. There is no doubt that Trump is solidly in last place, and it isn't even close.
In fact, when he's finally out, and we find out what was really going on behind the scenes, his last place position will only solidify.
If Reconstruction had proceeded properly, the United States would have hung all of the Confederate officers and government officials and at least pulled up the root of the problems in the South. Johnson allowed them to fester and re-emerge, and we have been living with those problems since.
Not punishing heinous crimes like chattel slavery and violent insurrection is how we get precedent for not punishing even more crimes. Like Ford pardoning Nixon so "the country can heal" and then Reagan using that precedent for Iran-Contra and then Bush using that precedent to steal the 2000 election and commit the US illegally in Iraq etc etc. And now Trump realizing that laws don't matter at all and doing whatever he wants with impunity. Most of the Supreme Court justices are direct descendants of politics Johnson enabled. Roberts clerked for Rehnquist ffs, an avowed segregationist who wouldn't have been politically viable if Reconstruction had succeeded.
But would Lincoln have hung all the Confederates? I doubt it. Certainly, some should have swung, like Davis and Lee, but I doubt it would have been as across the board as you suggest. Lincoln's humanity likely would have prevented it, and he would have put the emphasis on healing, more than punishment.
I grant you, things would have been far different under Lincoln, but the lack of technology would have prevented the Federal government from dealing with many of the same inevitable problems that occured anyway. You can deal with governmental issues in the courts, but when it comes to the ground level, face-to-face interactions between people, in towns and small cities, which is where most of real life exists, especially back then, the authorities were likely to be enthusiastic about supporting racists and racist policies, and the Feds weren't going to be much help in the best of circumstances. You could Federally squash a problem in one place, but it's still going on in a thousand other places.
The point is that just saying Reconstruction would have gone perfectly under Lincoln, and prevented all our current problems, is a bit optimistic. I think the systemic racism of the South (and everywhere else), was going to make a fully successful Reconstruction an impossibility.
Getting the three Reconstruction amendments was the important part, because it gave us the legal foundation to constantly chip away at the systemic racism that still exists today.
But yeah, I can fully agree that Johnson was still an awful shithead.
It certainly wouldn't have gone perfectly but I think the best evidence that it would have eventually worked out for the better is how much political power former slaves had shortly after the Civil War ended while Reconstruction, in whatever diluted form, was actually being attempted. This is the period we get the first black senator, Hiram Revels from Mississippi. Further, In 1868 black Americans made up a majority of the South Carolina's state legislature and opened the South's first public school system. Former slaves started taking up tons of local political offices as well. They wielded true local political power and although there were still racists opposed to their inclusion in society, it was much harder to extract former slaves from that society and subjugate them again. Once federal troops withdrew from the South all of these reforms were taken away, violently and illegally, by the people who weren't punished under Johnson, the violence and subjugation became much easier. This is how we get Jim Crow etc.
I mean, if this period had gone on for long enough for white Southerners to benefit from it, maybe a generation or so, we wouldn't even have the modern Republican party since it only exists today as an extension of white Southern racism that was enabled by Johnson. Instead, we get generation after generation of white Southern children being indoctrinated into racist beliefs because the leaders of the Confederacy were allowed to spread their hateful ideals throughout their society after they lost the war. We'd live in a much more egalitarian society as a whole if that hadn't happened. Again, not without its problems, but we would have solved the major problem. It's most of my issue with people today jumping to Trump being the worst president, not only is it recency bias but he's just the obvious result of decisions made by Johnson et. al. during Reconstruction.
Absolutely phenomenal points, especially how the growing political power of black citizens would have made a much larger impact on their futures in society, had it not been arrested by racist Southern state governments, and that was due to the Federal government pulling out, and letting the South govern themselves.
We can't do anything about it now, but we can learn from it, and not let the current MAGA government, an outgrowth of the worst racist policies our nation has ever tolerated, survive to live another day, once they've been stopped. We will need to crush MAGA, and fully purge it from American government and society. We can't make the mistake of letting these traitors off the hook, again, or we'll be back here in a other 100 years. We can't keep letting these moronic losers suppress our nation's progress any longer.
Yes I fully agree, and thank you for the conversation. However I am deeply cynical American society will excise their fascist tumor since they have such a long history of refusing to punish criminals, enforce laws, and enact meaningful reform.
Or James Buchanan for allowing America to devolve into Civil War.
The war was inevitable by the time Buchanan took office. He could have forestalled it or prepared the Union for it more adequately, and deserves blame for basically doing neither of those things, but he isn't a direct cause. In fact, many of his political options for corralling the South in the antebellum period could have caused the war to start earlier than it did. It's just a personal belief of mine that he gets more hate than he really deserves, especially compared to people who could have easily been better like Johnson.
49% think Trump this term is doing a better job as President than Biden did his last term, I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Our dumbshit president will not see this poll nor this article.
But cool clickbait headline anyway from this site.
I was truly concerned before they i heard he was wrecked. Crazy, that this what would wreck him finally
He's still polling pretty well for a notorious child rapist and trafficker, and potentially worse.
Could have swore that was going to say "worse than Hitler".
Imagine USA gets a system where people vote for what they want, not merely against who they don't want.
I don't remember Hitler shitting his pants during a press conference. Actually he seemed constipated most of the time.
And I don't think there were allegations of him being member of a pedophile ring.
I hate comparing Trump with Hitler, it almost seems a praise to the Austrian.
I don't really see a point in that comparison - These two people are evil on its own, there is no point in playing games on who is less evil in this regard. Also it is misinformation to be saying trump is worse than him, as you're forgetting about the genocide that he did - trump isn't yet at that point.
It is also important to bring in the fact that trump wasnt just a pedo, but a sex offender. Him being both doesn't make him worse than hitler.
I'm just joking, don't take this as any form of support for either. That's what my last point was about more or less, but my wording was not great
Say what you want, but at least Hitler wasn't a pedo, and the dude had some charisma while giving speeches.
He didn't rant on about sharks and batteries?
Apparently many US voters admire Hitler.
18 point swing sounds great, but the 'post-swing' percentage is 51% thinking he's doing a worse job than Biden, which isn't actually all that encouraging, imo.
Also, apparently the prior poll that's the other side of the 'swing' is one that was taken just after he was inaugurated...isn't that kind of a stupid time for a poll asking 'do you think the President is doing a better or worse job than the last President', just as he begins his term?
He should sue all the Americans for damages.
Biden was fucking garbage - a corporate tool all too eager to sell us out to corporate rule and a servant of Israel without even needing to be blackmailed by the Trump-Epstein child rape operation. Hell, Biden wasn’t even mentally there half the time, his staff covered up his dementia riddled brain for the latter half of his term as he stumbled about shaking hands with invisible people on stage.
And still, Trump is objectively worse by several orders of magnitude.
Agreed, there is no need covering the story with "biden was actually very good". The truth needs to be spoken, and the truth is that democrats are essentially centrists rather than leaning left.
For change to occur a new party that is actually leftist should be appointed.
The current system is basically composed of tiny changes made by democrats and huge changes made by conservatives - tilting the definition of "centrist" ever so slightly each day.
Oh what I would do to be rid of FPTP and enjoy the ability to vote for anyone left of center in this country.
You’re right, republicans have exploited the ratchet effect to drag the Overton Window clear off into the far right territory of full throated authoritarian rule, and democrats’ bold strategy of do nothing and see if the people’s suffering gets them more votes next time has utterly failed.
Fuck me, the overton window really is far right
Was there another president who polled as worse than two different immediately previous presidents? He could have just had people saying Obama was better, but no, he had to run a third time, and now (all the best) people are saying Obama and Biden were better than him.
I hope he cries himself to sleep on his gold polyester pillow.
Polls lie. Make sure you vote.
We should be voting with guillotines. We should be giving “hanging chads” new meaning.
The media is fully captured by the rightist ruling class, capturing the soap box and ballot box. They have packed the courts with traitorous loyalists, depriving us of the jury box. Only one box is left.
Next elections would still be
One side - 306 (49.7% vote)
Other side - 232 (48.6% vote)
and you can do nothing to change this. I can bet on this
What next elections?
Haven't you heard? The Orange Utan and his fat tramp friend Bannon have already announced that they'll deploy
the SSICE at polling stations. As if nobody saw that one coming even before Trump inexplicably won the vote in 2024...someone needs to do IT like...
He wasn't slammed in the latest poll? Just wrecked?.... fine ok
Is slammed worse than wrecked? Where is burned in this equation?
Wake me up when he is completely slobberknockered.
Now check this against anything that matters. Guarantee you that at the end of the day, this means nothing at all.
People don’t like Trump. This won’t make a bit of difference to what he does, thinks, or feels.
I’m stupid, can someone help me understand how we calculate the 18 point swing?
2025 poll 58% say Trump > Biden
2026 poll 49% say Trump > Biden (aka 100 - 51)
58-49 = 9 point swing?
Always good to see you can judge if someone is killing it at work right after he started. Why do companies need these probation periods??
What you're missing is that this is two opposing viewpoints in a zero-sum game. You're in one bucket or the other.
So going from 58 to 49 means that Trump looks 9 points worse, but also that Biden looks 9 points better. That's an 18-point swing.
I see! Thank you
Trump is worse than himself. If there was a competition for "evilest man in earth" he'd be disqualified for lying about cheating at cheating only to land in 5th place.
Biden was a fine president.
He made sure we lost slower.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Gaza_war
These are just depressing numbers considering what is happening daily around here:
He is worse than Buchanan or Johnson. He’s on par with Jefferson Davis, Mussolini, Kim Jong Un, and Vladimir Putin.
Yet still the hemmoroid remains. 🙄🙄🙄 he should be impeached, convicted and removed from power then all his admin charged, prosecuted and imprisoned. Anything less is appeasing fascism.
Gotta go deeper, eye of Sauron needs to check in on any of Congress that fed the beast. Those fucking dinos are complicite.
Way fucking worse jfc
All these polls are the same: "Some Americans are feeling unsure of Trump's god status and worry about the ecomony".
It's my firmly held belief that the majority of Americans are uneducated idiots.
While it was 100% predictable that he would be worse than Biden, that isn't the worrisome part. It is the prediction that once he won, there wouldn't be another real election and he would stay. That part is becoming more likely every single day.
Worse than Biden? The old dipshit that maintained the status quo vs the narcissist that will burn down America to enrich himself and his family and disrupt every norm. Headlines are awesome.
I don't think they care about polls at this point.
Pfft. Sounds like fake news from some terrible news agency. They just don’t understand the greatness of Diddlin Donnie.
worst Presidunce EVER!!!
Polls don't mean much in an authoritarian state.
I remember in 2004, a friend of a friend had returned to our local, and as an ex-colleague of Trump's he told us stories about what a joke of a played narcissist he is, being primed by his psychopathic handlers for a puppet presidency.