Live: Man shot by federal agent in south Minneapolis this morning, witnesses say
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Federal agents briefly detained our reporter at the scene, who says he was tackled to the ground and had a gun put in his face.
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Watch the video.
It's tough, because it's literally a video of a murder.
But we all have to watch it.
3-4 Icicles at holding a man down and beating him, one of them lets off a single shot that instantly makes their victim go limp. Then 2-3 other icicles all draw and fire multiple shots into the body while the rest scatter.
Shit isn't getting better and complying doesn't work.
This is why I'm saying we need to get even more violent in retaliation.
People can downvote me all you want, but you know I'm right. It's literally the only thing these actual monkey-brains understand: violence.
If there's 4 of them beating and killing one person, there needs to be at least 10 of us with knives and aluminum bats hitting right back. We need to mix up our own chemical warfare agents.
No, because that will make them open fire...
What will work is protesters in plated vests with rifles.
Every state is different. For Minnesota it's illegal to open carry a rifle, and there's no permit to open carry a rifle. But if you get a permit to carry a handgun, you're now allowed to carry a rifle.
The threat of effective violence is more effective than the actual act of ineffective violence, even when the threat is just passively implied by the presence of rifles and plates.
It costs less than a grand to get kitted out just like an ICE agent, hell, most of them don't even seem to carry rifles, but all the more reason for protesters.
The Black Panthers seem to understand what it's gonna take to deter Miller's stormtroopers. Superior firepower.
Protesters should assign disciplined guardians: Kitted out, and watching from rooftops and windows.
These terrorist cowards might come to understand the words "constitutional oversight" when they break RoE and are gravely punished from above in return.
They already are opening fire, I think that's the problem.
Show up alone, you get arrested. Show up with 100 people, you get shot. We need to show up with 100,000+ people.
Organize! Join an organization! DSA, PSL, something anything!
Pretty sure they did have 100k+ people yesterday at least. Maybe not yet this early, but 100k people does not mean much when the organized violent thugs just wait until they can find people away from the large crowds and murder them on the street.
I see one person in this video. Imagine if there was 100,000.
There was. And then they left ICE intact, which then found a spot the next morning with maybe a dozen or people and did a murder.
I think you're missing my entire point.
What is it then? 100k+ people should exist 24/7 around the entire nation on each block?
What you do is break that 100k up into 100 separate 1000 person marches. That then also spreads out the Feds and makes it basically impossible for them to round everyone up.
Other people who read the news are not idiots and do not need this thinking outlined for them, it does nobody besides feds trying to make bullshit arrests for terroristic threats any good to share these thoughts on public forums
Implying the feds aren't running a troll farm to incite people.
That's how you lose.
That's what they want.
Right now two white people getting killed by ICE in broad daylight with dozens of cameras on them is slowly but surely destroying the GOP. There's nothing that shifts public opinion more than a clear narrative of "good guys" and "bad guys". When one side is armed and the other side is unarmed, and the armed people are killing unarmed people, there are clear good guys and bad guys. The white house is doing everything they can to spin the Minneapolis victims as "terrorists", but when they're unarmed it's a matter of seconds to disprove what they're saying.
As soon as the anti-ICE protesters start getting armed and start shooting back, the story gets complicated again. It becomes much easier to claim the protesters are violent if they're shooting back. It's dead easy to claim an ICE goon feared for his life if someone shot at him.
"They're shooting at ICE" gives Trump the excuse he needs to send in the military and start having guys in APCs start shooting heavy weapons into a crowd. It's also much more likely the soldiers are going to obey if they're getting shot at. If they're sent in against unarmed protesters and ordered to mow them down, it's very likely they'll refuse that order. And, refusing that order would be a big step in the end of the Trump regime.
Not shooting back is the main thing that the Minneapolis protesters have done right so far. It's also the most difficult thing to do.
But hey, it's America. America thinks guns solve problems. So, go solve that problem Americanely, while the rest of the world just watches the US tear itself apart and shakes their heads.
What the fuck are you talking about?
People are currently not shooting back, and people are currently being murdered in the streets. Clearly it’s a plan that is working well so far /s.
You talk about a “good guy/bad guy” narrative, and then admit that the current government is painting the victims as terrorists. So why do you think your narrative is any stronger than the one that the president and many popular news media outlets are complicit in? Especially when you personally are telling people not to watch the objective footage.
The world is watching the US right now, and we are seeing innocent people die in the street, while people comment about how bad this will be for Trump in the next election and people need to get out there and vote while the Slavecatchers pull families from their homes. I’m feel like I’m losing my mind!
A small enough number that they can all be listed by name. You're correct, it's a plan that is working incredibly well. A handful of people have died, and those handful of deaths have resulted in protests by millions of people. The reason that those millions of people are willing to protest is that the people being killed are clearly blameless.
If someone died in a shootout with ICE, it's much less likely that millions of people would turn out to protest their death. Thousands maybe, but not millions. For millions to show up you need a clear example of "good guys" and "bad guys".
Yes, the government is trying to create its own "good guys" and "bad guys" narrative because, as I said, it works. But, they are utterly failing in the attempt to paint these people as bad guys because they're being killed while unarmed and not fighting back.
Because "my" narrative is clearly supported by all the video evidence that is being collected by hundreds of people with their phones out. If people weren't there with their phones out documenting things, then the Trump admin's narrative would probably win. But, instead of guns, people are using cameras, and it's working.
I'm telling people that they don't need to traumatize themselves by watching footage that literally millions, if not possibly billions of other people have already watched. Their additional eyeballs on that footage isn't going to do anything.
Yes, and the world has sympathy with the protesters because the protesters are unarmed while the ICE goons are armed. If the protesters started shooting, the world would quickly lose sympathy with the protesters. Instead they'd just sigh and think "great, the Americans are trying to solve everything with guns again".
It might be good for you to unplug and stop subjecting yourself to the constant news cycle then. Don't watch all these videos, just take care of your own mental health.
Some of you may die, but that is a risk that I am willing to take.
We have evidence of wrongdoing and crimes by the governments that spans years. If evidence was enough to topple this regime, we wouldn’t be here.
Kindly go fuck yourself you patronising git. I am mature enough to look after my mental health, and I choose not to turn away from the events that are unfolding. I do not need to be hooked into the 24h news cycle to see that things are dire, and ignoring them or telling others to ignore them is the kind of shit that lets dictators steal more power.
"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to make."
Get your quotes right.
You could also have gone with Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
But, if you wanted to quote about the futility of using violence you could have gone with Gandhi:
"I object to violence because, when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary, the evil it does is permanent."
Or Joan Baez:
"Nonviolence is a flop. The only bigger flop is violence."
Or MLK Jr:
"Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon . . . which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals"
Maybe you're so gun-brained you think that MLK and Gandhi were wrong, and that they would have achieved better results if they'd shot back. Maybe you've never heard of the velvet revolution, or the 1919 Egyptian revolution, or what led to the Berlin Wall coming down.
Of course evidence isn't enough. The question is what comes after evidence. Is it violence or not? Non-violence clearly motivates people. Only 2 people have been killed and it has resulted in millions of people protesting. Would just as many people be coming out to support Minnesota if the score were 2 ICE agents dead and 2 protesters dead? I don't think so.
Do you honestly think you can take on the US government including the entire US military with a violent revolution? And, if you did manage to win that violent revolution, would it be worth the cost? If you're going for the violent win, that's what you have to aim for. If you go for the non-violent option, the path is instead that more and more people defect to your side and refuse to use violence against non-violent protesters. That has a much better chance of winning IMO.
You say you feel like you're losing your mind, and you attack someone who suggests maybe you should take a step back. You clearly have fragile mental health. Just unplug for a few days.
I just don't want our guys to get hurt.
Don't make a stand in a blaze of glory. The goal should be to make sure nobody knows who did it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/m1xOMR7R4q8
The video
Grabbed this from a lower comment, should be attached to the top comment.
I watched it multiple times and they just executed that guy. They just unloaded the entire clip into the body. Fucking hell that's just gruesome.
At some point for these highly insecure "warrior alpha" types: "stopping the threat" just turns into jacking off with excitement.
I'm trying really hard to see how this could be anything else than a straight up execution. It's hard to see any way that dude could be threatening the life of anyone here. He's shot on his knees with his hands down looking away from the shooter (granted the footage we have here it's kind of hard to tell just cause there's so many people). There's footage of him talking to the agents before just holding his phone to record and then they start shoving him. There's also 8 bajillion agents beating the shit out of him right before. The woman's footage from the other side of this will show a ton if she was recording.
Anyways, I look forward to hearing how this heroic agent saved the lives of all his fellow warriors during this altercation. Hope the agent recovers from the assault safely and quickly in the hospital...
Edit: few things, someone pointed out the agent in the grey coat disarms the victim and runs away with his weapon before he's killed which I did not see at first.
Also, second lady's footage is now out and it doesn't show anything different than a bunch of thugs beating the shit out of this guy and then killing him.
I'm about to watch the video, but just want to state my thoughts after reading the article:
This is the only information the article states. Their passive language suggests to me the sequence of actions is unclear, but probably that while wrestling him, he was shot before being fully restrained
Now to watch the video and find out if the wording is propaganda
2 notes:
That shooting is so much worse than the wording would suggest
I didn't realize the article was in a feed format. Explains why it was only 1 sentence
The mag dumping was so egregious.
Repeating for emphasis. Official stories are already being posted that are blatantly not what happened. There will be some portion of the population that believes the lies they're told. It's powerful for your own sanity to be able to know with certainty that you're being fed bullshit because you remember seeing it with your own eyes.
Link?
EDIT: Nwvermind. It had been pushed further down the thread.
3-4 is a generous underestimate.
Here is the video link
I disagree about everyone having to watch it.
I am capable of believing you, others that have seen the footage, and the reports coming out about what's happened here. Seeing the act in full detail isn't going to strengthen my resolve against ICE, nor make me more empathetic to this man or his family.
This is all barbaric, and while I similarly don't think it's getting any better, I don't have to watch a recording of the last moment of this man's life to know he was murdered, just as you don't have to go see his corpse in the morgue to know the same.
No.
You need the visceral emotional reaction.
That's different than logically understanding the abstract concept a murder happened. That's not new, but what happens in this video is new. It crosses the line in an inexplicable fashion and either enough people see it happen once in this video all at the same time, or we all wait to see it individually in person
With respect, don't tell me what I need based on what you need.
I don't need to see a thing to have an emotional reaction to it. I am not a child lacking object permanence.
Being able to watch a dozen different angles of a person's death in high definition isn't necessary for everybody. Most murders have no footage, and empathy can still be experienced for them. Surely you also run the emotional gambit when you read of a school shooting, whether or not there is footage of the carnage, don't you?
You don't understand any of this, but if you were polite and asked questions I would have explained it and you'd have walked away from this with more knowledge than you had now.
Think about who really lost in this exchange
Who really lost? You perceive this back and forth as something that can be won or lost? Both you and I are arguing semantics from behind screens, not out risking our life and limb. There are no winners here.
You do though, because one the authorities start spinning their lies, there will be an element of doubt in everyone who has not seen this video.
An element of doubt? I can think critically. Can you not? The default thought hasn't been 'trust the authories' for quite a while now. Rather the opposite.
If you hear two conflicting stories, without witnessing for yourself, there will always be an element of doubt. I'm not saying trust the authoritys, and I don't know where you got that from. I'm saying you shouldn't blindly believe what anyone says.
I got it from the comment you wrote.
I haven't suggested anything about blindly believing a singular source. My point is that a video source isn't necessary for everyone.
Let's break this down more.
If we choose to believe he had a gun so what? You are legally allowed to carry a gun in this country. The presence of a gun is not a legal excuse to murder a person.
Even if he had a gun he was being actively held down by several members of ICE. I don't see how he could have drawn a weapon in that position. Regardless once they started beating him while he was on the ground he had every right to use deadly force to defend himself.
So even if you believe what DHS has to say the video shows there is no scenario where the mere presence of a gun justifies their actions
I rewatched the video and you can see his entire back, no weapon below the waist. If he had a gun in his hands they would have shot him on site. They're just lying to us
I'm sure these guys keep spare guns just for these kinds of occasions.
Watch the video again.
Tan beanie greenish coat guy pulls out a pistol and starts pistol whipping the guy.
Grey coat sees this, and nopes the fuck out.
Tan beanie stops pistol whipping him, readjusts his grip...
Then his hand is block in the video and a single shot rings out, causing everyone else to flea before shooting the body.
It really really looks like this guy just decides to escalate from pistol whipping a restrained and subdued man to shooting him in the head while multiple other people who didn't know what was going on held the victim down.
This is just inexplicably fucked.
It wasn’t a pistol, it was a can of bear spray. Still horrible and not at all necessary, and no worse/better than a pistol imo. Just mentioning for clarification.
A valid question but more likely that they dropped a gun, on purpose or by incompetence, then they freaked and murdered the guy.
Fucking piece of shit fascist
they executed this man. they beat him to the ground, pistol whipped him, and then shot him WHILE HE WAS PRONE AND LAYING DOWN.
Americans, for fucks sake, on the other site I'd be perma banned for suggesting what you know I'm going to suggest but you guys REALLY need to utilize that 2nd amendment you hold so dear. They are literally NOW executing you and to those that STILL believe "it won't happen to me or my family" you're wrong, it will and it currently is.
The only GOOD Nazi is a DEAD one.
The Greatest Generation understood this at great cost, and after that bloody sacrifice our leaders quietly pardoned and installed the wretched and vile filth into influential positions anyway, sugarcoating their twisted ideology with a shiny star-spangled finish and telling us freedom had won the day.
Would our great grandfathers still have charged those beaches if they could see how "great" their country has become today?
(Edit) I think they would...
We disappoint their memory at our peril.
No 2a response. This requires organization by competent people with military training in coordination with state government. Where this is going is obvious now. Citizens need to keep on with nonviolent protests and hope to hell there are retired generals out there willing step up and plan and implement what's needed.
Walz should be using the activated MN National Guard to arrest the ICE fucker who executed a MN resident and to cordon DHS personnel to their federal buildings, denying them the ability to leave the wire to go out on CP’s. Instead he’s staging them against the MN residents protesting. Fucking bullshit.
Ironically this is literally the "well armed militia" part of the second amendment that conservatives seem to ignore. Some were concerned that the federal government could simply use military force to undermine state sovereignty, so they enshrined the ability for the states to regulate militias independent of the federal government.
The fascists have spent decades eroding this right by pushing the idea that the amendment is about self defense of the individual, which is a much less of a threat to their fascist aspirations. Now we see the ultimate conclusion of this ideological trojan horse - the "second amendment crowd" is enthusiastically embracing fascism, while the states are powerless to push back.
Here is the video. There is no justification for this shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/m1xOMR7R4q8
That makes me sick to my stomach.
The sanctity of a human life has lost all meaning if it can be violated so casually without consequences...
This pot's about to boil over. It won't be long now...
Frogs sitting in said pot: "this is fine"
The ones that leave, have a future.
Hey man, if I could leap out of the pot, I would...
I can't find the interview now or remember who it was with because of my brainrot but roughly than six months ago this woman was saying in no uncertain terms things will get progressively darker and more violent. And I've thought of that when every one of these moments has arisen. She was speaking more to the need of a parent whose health premiums quadrupled and SNAP benefits were cut having to care for and feed a sick child and what that might do to their anger and willingness to go do something against the elements foisting this upon them, but of course we never can predict what the precise hinge point moments are going to be during turbulent times. We just knew they were coming. And now they are. And will continue.
"And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
Watched video a dozen times looking for a weapon near or on the person shot. Just couldn’t imagine how to justify this otherwise.
I see a water bottle hit the ground early in the video but that’s it. Clear hands and wasteband from what I can see so far.
I’d love to be wrong.
It's like that one video with the cop dropping to the ground doing barrel rolls and shouting shots fired, when an acorn fell and hit the roof of a car.
Bunch of untrained morons.
It would’t matter if he was strapped with a .45 brother, that’s a right we have right after speech. They’re in the wrong here, this was MURDER. It was not even an execution. Execution implies you know it’s coming.
From what I understand, the water bottle was a mace canister. Some reports were saying the guy was reaching for it to use as a weapon but I don't see that. It is then kicked away. Also, pay attention to the agent in the gray jacket. He walks up a bit late, and disarms the victim by pulling the (holstered) pistol from his waistband. He then runs away holding the weapon as the victim is shot. Like a dozen times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_sandwich#In_popular_culture
President gyna neck and v.p. permaliner: "Don't worry, we'll just make something up."
They fucking mag dumped after the victim is clearly dead. These fucking fascists are untrained racist cowards. Every fucking ICE agent deserves to be imprisoned.
If you’re not screaming to destroy ICE I don’t want to hear your fucking opinion.
Dangle.
Fucking hell.
This was an execution.
Where them 2A boys at?
They are the ones behind the masks doing the murdering.
Exactly. Just look at the social media accounts of people who are pro-2A. They've suddenly found themselves in a boot licking contest.
Tired of hearing this. Pick up a gun yourself and prepare to defend your neighbors and yourself.
THE 2A IS FOR EVERYONE, PASS IT ON.
8 against 1 ... 100% executed cause pogroms on immigrants are now normal
Plot twist: Wasn't even an immigrant. Was a tall handsome white male VA nurse. That man was worth more than all the men in ICE.
Lines are being drawn.
The problem is that the police tend to side with the fascists.
From what I understand, the man was recording. Approached by ICE, pushed by ICE, then assaulted by 6+ ICE agents, then murdered.
Next headline: Paid insane far left violent radical terrorist, viciously attacks lone ICE agent trying to deescalate situation. ICE agent barely survive with near fatal wounds.
There's footage of pretty much all of that. He's talking to ice agents holding his phone. He's then pushed around. Another protestor is also pushed. He moves toward that protestor who is on the ground. They swarm him and the rest is history.
These are the "Life is so precious" people. Fucking losers, hypocrites and Nazis. I am up for the firing squad when this ends. We can't allow such evil to continue. Anyone else with me?
I was for long prison sentences, but those that issued these orders, and those that enthusiastically carried them out, should be executed. These are your fellow citizens, there should NEVER be a situation that you are firing on your own citizens for any reason.
The problem with prison sentences is that the next republican just pardons them and we're right back here.
Yeah, we'll have to revisit the whole presidential pardon thing, and prohibit its use to aid cover ups of presidential criminal activity, and make it retroactive. All the Jan 6 Traitors better show up to serve out their sentences, or it's an additional 10 years, without any parole or good behavior time.
Or we can simply charge them all again for crimes we didn't charge them with before. They've got a deep bench of past criminal activity. And all the J6 Traitors can just be charged with Sedition, and get all new sentences, significantly longer than their first sentences.
I could definitely enjoy seeing them get charged and imprisoned multiple times.
The close up from the woman standing right there:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1qlvp66/video_from_minnesota_shooting_from_woman_in_the/
Ohh, I think I see what happened. The up close angle makes it clear that "dangerous" man was trying to assist two unarmed women who were being assaulted by federal fascists after they made the fatal mistake of... maybe saying something mean (? I guess) or disrespectfully blowing whistles on a public street and trying to walk away.
I guess Americans should really know better than to try and deescalate when fascists are in the middle of having such a fucking ball assaulting their neighbors.
Note to all the "white knights" out there (not the ones who traded their hoods and crosses for a government issued mask and gun, just the ones that respect women): be careful not to cross the sexually frustrated terrorists when they're out there working through their issues with women. They've been training their whole lives for the day somebody would actually pay them to put a woman in her place when she gets a little too sassy. It's not fair for you to spoil it for them. /s
What the fuck were those broads thinking anyway? They must have known there would be fatal consequences for their actions. I mean really, imagine the audacity of just walking right up to and disrespectfully whistling at a white supremacist on a public street in 2026.
So basically the opening scene of V for Vandetta, but the guy wasn't V
I've never actually seen the movie, but I'm pretty sure every ICE agent is the guy who (somehow) believes they're the Guy Fawkes in this situation.
A really important watch these days... It's like it's made for now
Do you have a mirror? Reddit is blocking my VPN
https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4
You don't have to watch the videos.
You're going to watch a man getting killed. That's not good for your mental health. You can just take a pass here and not watch. Your watching the video is probably not going to help in any way, and it might hurt you. So, just think about your own needs before you traumatize yourself for no reason.
No, we NEED to be traumatized by this. We need to feel the visceral outrage that it takes to absolutely demand justice, OR ELSE! and mean it.
If you want to get traumatized, you do you.
I wouldn't push your own idea of personal trauma onto others. Probs not healthy for anyone
Everyone should watch the video. Ignorance is not, in fact, bliss. That man was murdered by our government because he dared to protect his fellow citizens. No one can appreciate how egregious that killing was until they see it in living color.
Hiding from the truth because the truth is hard, is no way to live. We should all know what it happening. It will effect us all sooner than we think.
It's not ignorance to spare yourself the trauma of watching someone die. You can know what happened without having to watch it yourself.
"I don't want, and shouldn't have, to do/see something difficult, because of the negative implications it may have on me personally." I think that logic is bunk.
It is cover for avoiding the hard realities of life and the world around us. It is cover be being a coward. We should confront the difficult moments, not hide from them because they will make us feel complicated emotions that we will need to process. That attitude is exactly how we ended up here a country and it should be called out for what it is - fear and weakness. Now is not a time for either, unless we want this situation to get worse.
You don't need to personally witness all the brutalities of life to stay informed. Do you watch all the Internet's child porn just to be aware it's out there, and to suffer the consequences of that? Or is it only violence porn that you think is essential viewing?
I mean in this case there is a benefit to seeing exactly what happened and how it happened to confidently shield yourself from propaganda. The video isn’t graphic per say (no blood or gore), and a single viewing instantly demolishes the fox news narrative
Now like the charlie kirk video is senseless, and I 100% agree with you there, no point to viewing it if you don’t want to.
Why?
Unless you were an idiot who actually believed the lies the Trump admin tells, your shield is already up and active. If the Trump admin said that the sky was blue, I'd assume it was night. That was true months ago, nothing they've done or said recently has changed it.
There's no prize for being viewer number 1,000,000,000 of the death. You're not going to spot something that the previous 999,999,999 people all missed. You're not going to discover that the vast majority of those nearly 1 billion other viewers were lying and it was actually Trump telling the truth. All you're going to do is watch someone die, and discover that what everybody other than Trump toadies said is correct.
It's a fair warning. But it also shows that there was no restraint. They murdered him. There was no struggle. He was just letting a woman go free. There was no threat on ICE. We all see it.
But a fair warning for those who haven't seen something like that before.
Yes, and I got that information from you, without having to watch the video myself.
Correct. But I could be full of shit.
It's also possible that you saw doctored footage. It's possible that you're mentally disturbed and don't realize it and that what you think you saw isn't actually what your eyes told you they were seeing. You could be a figment of my imagination. You could be an LLM bot. I could be an LLM bot. You could be trapped in the matrix.
Lots of things are possible. Most things are improbable. You gain essentially nothing by watching a snuff film for yourself to agree with the millions of other people who have also all watched it and all agree that they saw what they saw.
And unicorns might shit Lucky Charms. You only KNOW if you witness it yourself and form an opinion on your own.
Yes, so don't rely on watching videos. The only way you know for sure is if you get shot yourself. Anybody claiming that you need to watch the video to truly understand what happened is deluded.
Are you trying to be difficult? I wouldn't buy anything from you if you have this attitude.
Interesting take on personal trauma. What's "good", "bad", or even "neutral" for mental health is very individualistic. A warning is warranted, but I'd be wary of telling people it's "not good" to watch it. Maybe not for you, but you are you're own person
Plenty of adults here who can make that call themselves (proper warning is always welcomed/needed)
Personally, I don't choose the route of burying my head in the sand so I can savor blissful ignorance. I watch people die regularly IRL and am comfortable with the notion... but what's wrong is wrong and sometimes people need to understand the reality. If they ain't up to it, than a proper NSFL warning is good enough to warn them
People ain't all children, and I respect what you're trying to say... but if I got executed like that man; I'd want everyone (who was able) to see it for themselves. Especially in an age where false narratives and soft details are the norm
I prefer to see the horror with my own eyes and make my own judgements. I've accidentally seen far too much as is, and it only gave me strength after healing
A warning's good enough, no need to patronize
Don't look away, thats what they want, its also a sleight to the life of this man to not bear witness.
Watch, be enraged, then engage.
It will hurt your metal health way more to not watch and keep pretending everything is ok.
Don't look directly into the trauma-causing footage. That's what they want. It's no slight to someone's life not to personally watch them die. What matters isn't that you personally watch their death from as many angles as you can. What matters is that you tell the truth about what happened. You can do that without obsessing over watching someone die. In fact, if you think that watching someone die is the important thing, you're dishonouring them by focusing on the wrong thing.
Did you personally watch the video before coming to that assessment?
Of course not, I'm not going to traumatize myself unnecessarily.
Who would? But it's real and in our face. Learning how to process is healthy, avoidance is not
You don't need to "learn to process" to know the truth. You don't have to personally witness every horrible thing that's happening.
Knowing and understanding are not equal, just as instruction and guidance aren't. Processing knowledge helps to bring understanding my friend. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying not everyone does it like you, and that's ok
Maybe you process faster; maybe you're skimming the details to save personal harm. Maybe the way you do things isn't a hard truth, but samely, doesn't make your recommendations invalid. I just would personally change my wording from a place of "don't do it", to a place of "I wouldn't, but that's me". Otherwise you risk depriving the wisdom of life from others, due to your own personal fears
I didn't say "Don't do it". I said "You don't have to watch the videos.".
Truly incredible that you’re proud of your ignorance, and blindly sharing your opinions about how people should be acting more moderately: https://lemmy.world/post/42098476/21740923
You’re an embarrassment to yourself.
Not wanting to traumatize myself doesn't make me ignorant.
Thinking that the only way you can be informed is by traumatizing yourself is the truly ignorant position.
You have every right not to watch the video. But opining about other people’s reaction to the video without watching it is unacceptable.
Take your safe-space mindset and opinions about media you haven’t consumed back to Tumblr, please.
Thinking that other people might be traumatized by watching someone get murdered is unacceptable? Walk me through your thinking here...
I actually think it does. Police has been murdering people in US since forever and the only way to realize how bad it is is to actually watch the footage. Reading about it does not paint the whole picture. Seeing how Americans are reacting to the ICE killings makes me think most Americans are ignorant of the police violence in their country. They know police kills people but don't realize cold blooded executions by law enforcement like that happen every day. They pretend it doesn't happen and only react when specially extreme case forces them to watch to footage (like in George Floyd case).
You're wrong.
Really? That's the only way?
Neither does watching a video. The only way to get the whole picture is to go out and get killed yourself. In those seconds while you're dying you'll truly understand.
See how stupid that is?
Did you see George Floyd death footage?
I watched the video and yes it traumatized me. If you have personal trauma with situations that include police brutality and/or gun violence the video might retraumatize you. That having said, it's a reality. We cannot deny this is happening and you better face the ugly reality we live in. However: this wasn't the first incident and it won't be the last. Do yourself and your sensible soul a favor and don't watch all of this. A completely numbed down or traumatized countermovement doesn't serve anybody.
There are more than 2 options. You don't have to either a) "watch the video(s)" or b) "hide from reality". There are also options like "don't watch the video but accept that the millions / billions of people who have watched it have described it accurately."
Can Tetris help?
Allegedly. Just play it in your head
If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.
So if I can shoot rabbits.... Then I can shoot fascists?
It’s your duty as a human. Think of it as pest control.
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I wasn't able to find any snapshots of that removed text, but it seems super plausible because they apparently had a reporter who happened to be on the scene before and when things went down
I'm guessing they told him that at the barrel of a gun, interesting that the optics of them refusing that doctor who wanted to do lifesaving care on Renee apparently got to them
But if this detail is confirmed I can't imagine how pissed off the cities are about to be
The first shot instantly made the victim go limp. You can't see most of his body, but arms and legs go limp immediately.
All the agents jump away, and multiple immediately fire multiple times each into the body anyways
They were fine with medical, because they were confident he was already dead at that point.
The video seems real enough, and is exactly as described. They're trying to incite a violent response so they can justify calling in the paratroopers who are on standby
If they think that a lack of justification is going to stop the fascists, they've got another think coming. Even if the response is completely non-violent, the fascists will just get tired of waiting and invent their own excuses, like they always do.
It won't stop them, but will make it easier to rally the broader public against the Nazis. Having more people siding against them is important
Yeah, I feel like they're going to go martial law in October no matter what, but in the meantime violence from protesters is just going to a) fracture the anti fascist coalition b) provoke retaliation from ICE that will hit bystanders
Things may get worse no matter what but violence is likely to make them worse
Paratroopers?
As fucked up as it is, I hope someone wants to see how resistant those parachutes are.
I can see this incompetent fuckwit administration telling Drinky Pete to send in the paratroopers because it would “look cool”.
Still, though. Harris didn’t support the working classes.
https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4
Video from the lady in pink (opposite to the first one). The man to the right in green literally pulls out his gun for no reason and shoots the guy in the back of the head. Absolutely horrid.
I have no words. I am literally speechless at what is currently happening in the US. I have to force myself to have words and they are all a mixture of vengeance and justice. Like.. holly fuck.
There is still a long way to go. A long way to go. But after all this is said and done, if there is an after, I hope you never forget these pieces of shit. I hope you force whomever comes next to hand you these people. They do not deserve jail, they deserve justice as given from the community. They are evil behind comprehension. Seems like you cannot give an inch to the right, as they will let their evilness take over and go after everyone, mercilessly.
I hope there is good work being done on identifying and preserving whoever these evil pieces of shit, motherfuckers, morons, idiots, pedophiles, are. And when this is all done, you fucking drive all of them out of society. You bully them as long and as hard as possible.
Pieces of shit motherfuckers.
To my American brothers, I am truly sorry for what is happening. I don't know the right thing to say. I want to motivate you to do what needs to be done, but at the same time, I am fully aware that it is hard.
https://generalstrikeus.com/
Numbers go brr.
One of the other comments here joked about a gofundme. Should there be or is there some crowdfunding service to help fund the general strike?
That would have to be huge
Would probably get more people on board if there was a strike fund.
Sure but I don’t see how it’s doable for potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of people, and with no strong organization like a union
Uhm 8 against 1, you can call that an execution.
They also blinded him with pepper spray and disarmed him just prior to shooting him 🙃
I will continue to post this every time someone insinuates that someone else should murder Trump/ICE Agents/ etc. Instead, please focus on protecting you and yours.
In the US we have the Second Amendment. The fascists have been the ones screaming and yelling about the Second Amendment, but the truth is that all Americans have the right.
Owning a gun isn't enough. Driving to Cabela's and picking up a vermin killing .22 is not enough. You should buy a proper rifle, a pistol, and a knife or baton. (Bonus points for a shotgun) Then you need to train with said rifle, pistol and knife/baton. Go to a range and shoot. Look for local self defense/hand to hand combat with a weapon classes and train.
I am not advocating for violence...far from it. But I am advocating for knowledge because owning a weapon and not knowing how to use it is a recipe for disaster.
PS: If you can afford it, buy suppressors. Especially for your rifles. Suppression for the common citizen isn't about stealth like in the movies, it is about protecting your hearing. Guns are LOUD. Much louder than you expect.
Price, availability, and ease-of-use make a 12 gauge pump action the best choice in areas where AR-15s and other scary looking black rifles are restricted.
Make sure to have ammunition appropriate to your environment. 00 buck is perfect for rural homes, #4 buck is better suited to neighborhoods where collateral damage is a concern.
Make sure to have some bird loads for drones, but use caution when shooting in, around, or toward populated areas.
Be advised, hollow point slugs are not effective against armor, nor is any kind of shotgun load.
And be warned, the instant you fire that thing indoors, you won't be able to hear anything for a minute. Hearing protection can help, if you have time to put it on.
I urge people to look into LoRa based motion sensors. Not as good as direct wired but better than WiFi due to range. This will give you the moment you need to get ready.
I’m okay with a shotgun. Blowing someone who just illegally entered my home back out the way they can sans lots of innards sets a precedent.
Do be aware that suppressors are substantially restricted in some states. Where I live, earplugs or shooting muffs are the only option
I'm not normally one to recommend this, but you gotta stop worrying about "legality" now.
As a practical matter:
Then build one.
Suppressors are just tubes with baffle plates. You can make one with home depot parts if you needed to.
Please show us a demo of your Home Depot DIY.
Assuming an American audience, suppressors are a federally controlled device requiring a background check. Some states control or ban them outright more strictly.
Will deffos put you on a list but yes, absolutely. I wish the tax stamps weren't so high because morons who knew nothing about firearms were trying to score "I'm doing something" points.
Ask any service member who's probably still fighting with the VA because their hearing loss and tinnitus at age 38 is deemed "Not service related."
That being said, these electronic earmuffs people are mentioning are the bee's knees, so you could invest in a couple pairs of those and a poopton of batteries for the same cost as a suppressor, and still have enough left over for other important things, like a first aid kit.
Tax stamps are $0 as of Jan 1st this year. Silencershop even has kiosks at gun stores that'll take your fingerprints for the Form 1, and the processing time is down to about a month before you take ownership.
Woah, that's some educational stuff right there! Thanks for sharing this! I'm gonna look into it more now. :D
Best quality video of the pink lady's pov I've found: https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4
Killing ICE Officers now SEEMS like a moral good. They'll kill you first. Well, they'll disarm you first, then summarily execute you.
It is, but actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military. That war may well happen even if we dont go around killing ICE, but letting them start it for no reason at all will mean more support on our side, and better odds.
This doesn’t mean you can't use force in self-defense, or to stop a massacre, but it does mean that just up and killing them isn't strategically a good move at this time
Your point is very valid.
However, personally (and kinda anecdotally), I doubt the US military would EVER side with ICE.
There's an unspoken heirarchy within those that serve in police, fire, EMD, and military services. Many of them actually have overlapping skill sets and training requirements. Meaning many military end up as officers or EMD's. Or officers turnover to fire (there's literal waiting lists to get into fire departments filled with ex-LE officers.)
The point is, this heirarchy is always determined by the amount of training necessary to hold each position. Usually with EMD and Military near the top in terms of total training needed, both physically, mentally, and practically. Below that is police and fire, both requiring weeks or months of training a year, and each placing large and permanant physical and mental demands on those that manage to complete the training. Both groups usually look up with respect to EMD and Military. If not for their training, but more for the fact that EMD's have saved officer and fire fighter lives many many times. So theirs a respect that runs very deep between all these people who choose such demanding careers.
Especially the ones willing to put themselves through literal hell training just to possibly save lives. I cannot place enough emphasis on the possibly part. Because you have to get used to death in these jobs.
ICE training is less than 47 days.
Few if any in LE or FIRE respect them. Mostly because most ICE are rejected from their programs for failing training. So they are very much seen as a failure to ALL of these groups, placed in the subbasement of this heirarchy at best. Especially by the military, who have far more training requirements, yet now all earn far less than anyone dumb enough to join ICE.
The people who've dedicated themselves to just having a chance to save a life, do not respect those that on a whim one month decided to cosplay as someone that's "protecting" others. They're an insult to pretty much anyone that actually does the job ICE barely pretends to.
I VERY sincerely doubt anyone in the Military would be willing to protect a group of untrained cosplayers who all very likely failed to learn how to protect themselves. If anything, the human corpses ICE is unnecessarily creating very much frames them as the bad guy to ALL the people whose job it is to actually prevent corpses from happening.
They do not have friends willing to join them. They are nothing but a national embarrassment to anyone that could.
Excellent post. I also believe that when it comes right down to it, the military is NOT going to back Trump's worst instincts. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he backed down from his Greenland demands because his own military told him that they would refuse to fire upon our NATO allies.
I want to highlight this:
ICE training is exactly 47 days. Why? To honor the 47th president. Seriously.
ICE training wasn't a carefully considered program that happened to last 47 days. Some sycophantic loser CHOSE that number because he knew Daddy would hear about it and be pleased for a few seconds. This is the kind of thinking that is managing our nation.
By the blood in the streets, it looks like they already have
Tell that to Renee Good or the guy they just disarmed and executed.
As opposed to the one-sided shooting-war ICE is already engaged in against the people?
Acting in defense of others is a legitimate defense. When ICE comes to town, people are going to unlawfully die at their hands. Stopping them before they can murder more innocent, unarmed citizens is the civic thing to do.
One of ours, all of yours. They said it first.
Yeah, funny they said that when they had suffered zero casualties and inflicted some...
Since the legal system will not bring justice to these murderers, it's up to heroes to do it instead.
Is there a GoFundMe set up for Batman?
Jury Nullification
Juries don't seem to come into play often in ICE. If the ICE officer would be the one on trial, the trial will never happen. If it's an ICE target, they'll either be dead or deported. I suppose there was attack with a deli weapon guy, but opportunities for a Jury to make a difference are slim...
Is a sword that cuts both ways.
Yeah.. where are our beekeepers?
Forget abolishing Ice, it's time to abolish the federal government, the senate, the judiciary, and the house. They are all complicit in this execution and should be hanged
Look at the fucking cockroaches scatter when that guy gets executed. These fucking pussy ass bitches are just playing cops and when it gets real they run away crying. Absolute scum.
The American populace definitely need to start luring ICE agents away and execute them and disposing the bodies like the resistance did to the nazis.
It's life or death now. Anyone can be executes by these thugs.
This is where it starts.
What happens when armed thugs are told they have "total immunity".
You know exactly.
Buy a gun TODAY. I’ve seen enough. Go into debt if you have to, they’re not going to stop. Ever.
How SAD! Thoughts and Prayers!
-Democrats who Voted to CONTINUE Funding the Organization MURDERING AMERICANS IN THE STREETS!
MN should begin a federal tax escrow so they have a way to defund the government.
These updates smh
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Yeah, I feel like throwing tear gas grenades around a place isn't exactly crime scene preservation best practice
The point is the state is against ICE atm.
I feel like we need that video from the woman in pink's perspective. This straight up looks like an execution but because there's so many officers in view it's hard to see what happened.
I see MAGA chuds are already claiming he grabbed a weapon or whatever (even though there is zero evidence of that because of the reasons above).
This needs cleared up asap. But from what I've seen this was straight up murder by fascist goons.
The woman in pink better watch out for ice
They already kidnapped most of the witnesses and took to the Fort Snelling Whipple Building
Fucking disgusting.
I never thought I’d see the day we’d have secret police executing people in our streets.
Our ancestors certainly didn't rush headlong into Hitler's machine guns and artillery for... whatever the hell this is.
This just in: country of allegedly normal human people with the most lax gunlaws somehow can't defend itself against armed paramilitary Nazis. Murder on the street is not enough reason to escalate folks, probably best to wait a bit longer. Tune in tomorrow, for more fascist horrors!
Need to be sure the military, or a substantial chunk of it, wouldn't just join ICE in killing civilians as the next step in escalation.
Either way, Americans might as well get to the next step on this journey. If the military is not on their side, whatever is happening now doesn't matter anyways. If they are, this abuse is cut short instead of dragging on, to who knows what end. Heck, it might lead to keeping this stain on the USA's history from getting any darker.
"Americans should hurry up and all die already" fuck off with that. Networks take time to build, alignments shift. You want us to go all-in before the flop but we can still afford to see a few hands.
Lots of great videos on YouTube of Russian soldiers getting destroyed by Ukrainian drones... If you're into that sort of thing.
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
I would say it is important for the troops that have received their ready deployment orders to see this as much as possible, so they know who to train their weapons on.
*This I mean
Also are there more angles, like pink jacket girl's?
*I think its this one: https://files.catbox.moe/sp296e.mp4
There are at least 3 different recording angles from what I've seen:
When you don't train your agents of course it's gonna take 6 of them to subdue one average sized man.
The problem isn't training; its intent. Their goal is to kill minorities and Democrats
Please stop with this rhetoric. A well trained death squad will not stop this
They are also doing it because they know they are deeply unpopular with the non-fascist public and risk being overrun by a crowd if they only have 2-3 thugs on it. Need enough people on a perimeter explicitly threatening to gun people down like they did with Floyd.
Fuck, this has to stop ... We're so damn cooked...
I wish blue cities and states would realize Trump IS active in having his ICE come for them and start using their national guard how they're supposed to be used. Be sure to remind them they have a duty to disobey illegal orders as well and that this isn't a normal time to let federalization of them happen.
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I saw the video, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! ICE is filled with undisciplined trigger happy racist neo-Nazi losers. Did anyone ID the shitbags?
Get these fucking monsters off our streets. Abolish ICE! Impeach the fucking president! Anyone who goes along with this needs be locked the fuck up.
We gotta bust back at em, make some mothafuckin examples of these assholes
People, it’s time to act or we will all be next.
Find the lady in pink!!!
This makes me ill. What the fuck is happening and do we stop it. Any resistance to these jack boot thugs is met with murder. I just don't even know what to think anymore
Brownshirts
We all may feel some impulse to act, even violently, but have a great feeling of uncertainty because there are no leaders. We need direction based off of game theory, or something. We need strategies that are surgical, because be real — we are outgunned. Yes, there are gun owners on the left, but come on, you know who has the lion’s share. Not only that, but we are different in that we hesitate to harm, because it’s the last thing we want. My dad kills animals for pleasure, but I do not. Also, if you aren’t armed now, you better do so immediately, because the gun nuts are not going to blink an eye when we are inevitably denied access.
We need real strategy. Daggers in a select few hearts may be enough to shift things.
Are there organizations or groups that do this? They would have to do it in secret, so how could we know? So it seems we’d have to assume we couldn’t know and form our own? Honestly, please clue me in!
A mix of guerilla tactics and economic warfare (primarily strikes) and sabotage and etc ought to get it done!
I mean that's what they hoping you would do. I suspect they do this violence because they want to spark civil war and declare martial law.
But if possible, best is to wait until like November as the gonna lose senate and Congress.
But then again . Dems are corrupt assholes and won't do much
How many people are they going to murder in the streets between now and November?
Yeah but. I think they control too many states now for civil war to succeed. This is imo deliberate provocation to start martial law
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
Shoot back already.
Keyboard warriors need to shut the fuck up and not instigate more violence. Actual retired military leaders should be coordinating with state governors to plan a organized response.
Do not attack ICE agents. Do not instigate more violence. Let leaders with experience planning guerilla warfare take the lead.
Talking about it online is the dumbest thing you can do.
I don't disagree with you; but are these actual retired military leaders doing that? How could we even know they're what you said?
Surely our oppressors will save us
Fuck off fed
I think current military leaders ordering actual soldiers to abolish the government is more realistic scenario. Not saying it's going to happen, just that it's more realistic.
Agreed