It is front recursive so it's really "...is not unix is not unix is not unix is not unix image manipulation program tool kit object" and that first g doesn't exist.
It's recursive so it's more like gnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnu...
My guess for why they chose the letter g is that gnu can be phonetically the same as just nu, but keeps people from interpreting the name of the project as a dumb spelling of "new".
GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix, which is a recursive acronym. And, when pronounced properly (like the animal) the G is silent. The entire Linux ecosystem has words that start with G based on an acronym where G essentially comes from nowhere, and isn't actually pronounced.
Well, I dont wanna start a debate, but the official website of GNU indicate that the "g" in GNU isn't silent.
So it depends on whether you want to pronounce it "properly" or as it was intended.
The name “GNU” is a recursive acronym for “GNU's Not Unix!”; it is pronounced as one syllable with a hard g, like “grew” but with the letter n instead of r.
Well, I dont wanna start a debate, but the official website of GNU indicate that the "g" in GNU isn't silent.
Yeah, but that's wrong. It's named after the animal, and the animal is pronounced without a G sound. I'm not going to mangle the pronunciation because they screwed up.
The G in GIF stands for Graphical, but the G in Graphical stands for Graham Crackers, the G in Graham Crackers stands for God, and the G in God stands for Gnu. From there it's Gnus all the way down. Also, God pronounces "Graphical" with a soft G as in Jod.
That is why large companies don't want you to find where it is. The application of proprietary condoms to GNU licensed body parts would taint them with gpl license.
In case you were wondering the 'w' in 'wine' stands for 'wine', and the full acronym is 'Wine Is Not an Emulator'. What do you think the 'w' in 'Wine Is Not an Emulator' stands for?
As a younger teen trying to get starcraft running on my linux box, my parents were definitely upset when they saw me browsing "winehq". They thought I was trying to get booze shipped to our house :D
I remember a time when almost every category of tool had something named "Yet Another [Thing]" because there were already so many options to choose from when they decided to make their own.
Well it kind of stands for nothing, because at the center of this onion is GNU, which is recursive. It stands for "GNU's Not UNIX", so the G in GNU stands for GNU.
And this really exposes a major challenge with FOSS.
Names have meaning - it's why Office is called Office.
This gnu naming isn't much of an issue, because this is stuff only technical folks handle. But if we want end-users to embrace things, we need meaningful names - meaningful to them.
Whenever I tell my friends or family to install Jellyfin so they can access my media, the look on their face says it all.
MediaMonkey - alright, I get it (yea, not FOSS)
Plex? OK, if someone then says "think MultiPlex Theaters", you get it. (Also not FOSS)
Jellyfin? What is that? Jam on a sharkfin?
These work really well:
Resilio SYNC (Yeah, not FOSS, but the name makes sense)
SyncThing (FOSS)
FolderSync (not FOSS)
Notice a trend here?
I have a printed spreadsheet for all the software I use - if I haven't touched a service for a couple months, I'll forget the meaningless name.
I don't even necessarily disagree, but I think that position is unfalsifiable because if the example is a highly popular program then "that doesn't count because it's big", and if it has a small user base then "of course it's small, it has a shitty name".
Nobody's going to forget the name of the browser they use every single day. But if it's some niche tool that I have to look up every time I use it once every few years, that's more difficult.
Outlook (new) classic new new final (7). Teams (personal). Multiple products with wildly different appreance and somewhat different functionality. And then the whole 365-environment naming, starting from the platform itself.
This is what confused me about OP, because I think of this as the application (ie program, or tool) not the library. So to put the name of the tool back into a library, seems backwards.
I mean you kind of break your point with Plex. I have no clue what MultiPlex theaters are, but I do know what jellyfin is. Lots of names have no meaning behind them, even for very popular things.
Sure but only because I’m old enough to understand that. It still would have zero meaning for anyone under 25-30. Like someone else said, multiplex only makes sense if you’re over 40 (which I’m not). So literally in 10 years you can go through two different naming conventions and have literally the next generation not know what you are talking about
Only choosing meaningful names really doesn’t work anymore. Stuff moves too fast, language moves too fast, and things change constantly.
It's called Jellyfin because "streaming" is something water does,
The rest of it is diffcult to know for sure but fins guide you and jelly is flexible, and Jellyfin is a fork of Emby - so maybe they were going with "[e]N comes after [e]M alphabetically?"
Good explanation. I'd say that's still a lot of processing for our noggins to quickly adapt to a framework of mind to comprehend all that to make sense of it.
I still like the name and it does make since after it's all spelled out.
Nah, AI almost always gives the most anodyne, bland, wet-fart name ideas, because all it can think of is stuff that's already been thought of.
The only real use cases for AI are things that computers are good at: pattern recognition in large datasets, search, translation, sentiment analysis, natural language processing and synthesis, that sort of thing. When you can bring those strengths to bear on the problem you're in business. Sometimes a neural network is the right choice; more often (at least right now) you can do as well or better with a more "dumb" algorithm. Even when a neural network is the right choice (such as when you have a non-deterministic problem), using a small one selectively is almost always a better option than feeding the entire thing to a gigantic model.
Legitimate use cases for LLMs (beyond simple toys) are remarkably niche at the moment.
Reminds me of an old joke about how everything in KDE has a k and it's very annoyink and irrtitatink bekause they have less laks user interface kuidelines than GNOME. (I haven't checked, they've probably vastly improved since then)
the g in gobject stands for glib, and the g in glib stands for gtk, and the g in gtk stands for gimp, however the g in gimp stands for gnu, so really the g in glib stands for gnu
and the g in gnu stands for gnu
So if I'm getting it right, gobject is short for gnugnu(...)gnuimptklibobject.
gnuplestiltskin
Following the modern C conventions, the text following the series of (gnu) doesn't matter and you can write anything you want there.
Gnugnugnufuckyou
It is front recursive so it's really "...is not unix is not unix is not unix is not unix image manipulation program tool kit object" and that first g doesn't exist.
It's recursive so it's more like gnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnugnu...
Now you need to write a layer of typedefs to map the expanded names back to their original types.
Fun fact: The K in GNU stands for Kernel.
KNURD
gotem
Did make me actually laugh.
GNU does have a kernel though
They do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd
Then what does the g in gnu stand for?
you're not gonna believe this...
I’ve got g’news for you…
g'news and g'day to you as well, g'lady!
I think this is sarcasm, but just in case it isn't... GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix".
My guess for why they chose the letter g is that gnu can be phonetically the same as just nu, but keeps people from interpreting the name of the project as a dumb spelling of "new".
gnot unix
Gary
as in the inventor of chess, THE Gary Chess?
rival of George Checkers?
All the gnus
gnu
Okay but what does the g stand for?
Blue Gnu or Black Gnu?
Greatsoftware Notwithstanding Unix
Yeah, they missed the best part.
GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix, which is a recursive acronym. And, when pronounced properly (like the animal) the G is silent. The entire Linux ecosystem has words that start with G based on an acronym where G essentially comes from nowhere, and isn't actually pronounced.
Well, I dont wanna start a debate, but the official website of GNU indicate that the "g" in GNU isn't silent.
So it depends on whether you want to pronounce it "properly" or as it was intended.
https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html
gnew?
Yeah, but that's wrong. It's named after the animal, and the animal is pronounced without a G sound. I'm not going to mangle the pronunciation because they screwed up.
Depends on where you're from.
Noot noot mother fucker
Gnoot gnoot
I can't believe they didn't put this one in there!
Is it pronounced gnu or jnu?
Are you gnu here?
Jnu enough to stoke an ancient flame war for my personal entertainment.
Yer such a wildebeest!
What can I say, I’m a candidate for ![email protected]
You must have jift for that
They’ll be back in a jiff.
You can easily answer this for yourself by looking up what the G stands for.
Wait...
The G in GNU stands for JPEG.
Unironic answer, the "g" is pronounced, but obviously like the g in give or great, not like j.
@[email protected] @[email protected] it’s pronounced .GIF
The G in GIF stands for Graphical, but the G in Graphical stands for Graham Crackers, the G in Graham Crackers stands for God, and the G in God stands for Gnu. From there it's Gnus all the way down. Also, God pronounces "Graphical" with a soft G as in Jod.
🤣
Who’s Jeff?
It's pronounced Jee Iuayh Eff (G I F)
like XCF or PDF
Surely you mean Gee.
The G is silent
It is in jnu.
Depends what language you pronounce it in.
Does the g in gspot also stand for gnu?
Believe it or not, yes.
That is why large companies don't want you to find where it is. The application of proprietary condoms to GNU licensed body parts would taint them with gpl license.
it actually stands for garam masala
A topic with a a lot of gnuances.
and the g in gnu also stands for gnu
Yeah - supposed to be the pinnacle
and the g in gnu also stands for gnu
thank you
i expected this sooner xD
gnusnotuniximagemanipulationtoolkitlibraryobject
Sequel to The Satanarchaeolidealcohellish Notion Potion by Michael Ende nobody asked for.
Just a regular German word. Please keep walking, nothing to see here.
In case you were wondering the 'w' in 'wine' stands for 'wine', and the full acronym is 'Wine Is Not an Emulator'. What do you think the 'w' in 'Wine Is Not an Emulator' stands for?
I once tried to play "PHP" in Scrabble and argued that it should be infinite points.
The opponent didn't agree.
It's personal home page and I don't care if they retconed it
As a younger teen trying to get starcraft running on my linux box, my parents were definitely upset when they saw me browsing "winehq". They thought I was trying to get booze shipped to our house :D
And Linux Is Not Unix.
It originally did not. Then it did for a time. Now it does not.
TikZ ist kein Zeichenprogramm
idk let's ask yaml
Things to do on Christmas:
I wish we knew some new gnu jokes.
I wish we gknew some gnew gnu jokes.
I wish we gnu some gnu jokes
I remember a time when almost every category of tool had something named "Yet Another [Thing]" because there were already so many options to choose from when they decided to make their own.
Yet Another Better Barrel Attempt (YABBA)
You just unlocked a core direwolf20 memory
Yeah, like YAML, which's name originally meant "Yet Another Markup Language*.
Then they redubbed it to mean "YAML Ain't Markup Language", because well, it isn't actually a markup language. 🫠
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAML#History_and_name
Yams is really good btw
Hierarchical Officious Oracle
I.......I lost track of what just happened. G stands for......something, I imagine.
Jraphics
Oh god. Is this going to be like how you pronounce "gif"?
Is it gif?
Or is it gif?
Well it kind of stands for nothing, because at the center of this onion is GNU, which is recursive. It stands for "GNU's Not UNIX", so the G in GNU stands for GNU.
(((gnu)imp)tk)lib)object)
Ah a cursed dialect of lisp that's inversed.
The gnu in gnu stands for Wildebeest
Gnus and gnomes can break my bones?
nobbes. they breeak your nobbes
Never thought about it and I'm gonna go back to not thinking about it
Opportunity missed in not calling it
GnObject.Also glibc
Which is the actual GNU C Library
And this really exposes a major challenge with FOSS.
Names have meaning - it's why Office is called Office.
This gnu naming isn't much of an issue, because this is stuff only technical folks handle. But if we want end-users to embrace things, we need meaningful names - meaningful to them.
Whenever I tell my friends or family to install Jellyfin so they can access my media, the look on their face says it all.
MediaMonkey - alright, I get it (yea, not FOSS)
Plex? OK, if someone then says "think MultiPlex Theaters", you get it. (Also not FOSS)
Jellyfin? What is that? Jam on a sharkfin?
These work really well:
Resilio SYNC (Yeah, not FOSS, but the name makes sense)
SyncThing (FOSS)
FolderSync (not FOSS)
Notice a trend here?
I have a printed spreadsheet for all the software I use - if I haven't touched a service for a couple months, I'll forget the meaningless name.
Counterarguments:
All wellknown programs or services where the name has no relation to the purpose.
These are all major commercial services that can afford advertising or are already more than established. Most FOSS doesn’t have these perks.
I don't even necessarily disagree, but I think that position is unfalsifiable because if the example is a highly popular program then "that doesn't count because it's big", and if it has a small user base then "of course it's small, it has a shitty name".
Fair enough. But all of these are heavily advertised.
This.
Nobody's going to forget the name of the browser they use every single day. But if it's some niche tool that I have to look up every time I use it once every few years, that's more difficult.
Compared to how Microsoft names things, FOSS naming is harmless on average.
Think of them naming the gaming app on Windows PCs "Xbox", or the distinction between "VS Code" and "Visual Studio Code", or "edit" (msedit), etc etc
Outlook (new) classic new new final (7). Teams (personal). Multiple products with wildly different appreance and somewhat different functionality. And then the whole 365-environment naming, starting from the platform itself.
I've always despised their naming schemes. I always thought I'd they ever started a car company they'd name their vehicle make as "car".
At least Xbox is original but now I'm sitting here wondering if they bought it off a small outfit
GIMP is an acronym for what's arguably the most descriptive name possible: GNU Image Manipulation Program.
But the acronym totally destroys the understandability of the program name and instead is understood as "an unpleasant or stupid person" (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gimp).
If you look at similar commercial software you get names like MS Paint, Photoshop or Lightroom.
They should have stuck with "GNU Image", "GNU Photo" or maybe "GNU PhotoEdit".
When I teach old people how to use GIMP, we all laugh at the name, I explain what it stands for, and then they don't forget it.
This is what confused me about OP, because I think of this as the application (ie program, or tool) not the library. So to put the name of the tool back into a library, seems backwards.
I mean you kind of break your point with Plex. I have no clue what MultiPlex theaters are, but I do know what jellyfin is. Lots of names have no meaning behind them, even for very popular things.
If they had said cineplex would that have been more meaningful?
Sure but only because I’m old enough to understand that. It still would have zero meaning for anyone under 25-30. Like someone else said, multiplex only makes sense if you’re over 40 (which I’m not). So literally in 10 years you can go through two different naming conventions and have literally the next generation not know what you are talking about
Only choosing meaningful names really doesn’t work anymore. Stuff moves too fast, language moves too fast, and things change constantly.
At least over here, Cineplexx is a really big movie theatre corporation. That makes it easy to understand what Plex is about.
It's about PMMA sheeting (aka plexiglass), right?
Where is “over here”?
thanks
So back in the earlier days of cinema, you'd go to the Cineplex to see a movie. A Cineplex would only have a single screen for viewing movies while the multiplex would have multiple screens for seeing movies on. This started with the first duplex theatre in 1915 and later the first triplex in 1966, shortly followed by theatres with 6+ screens which is around when the term "multiplex" started being used. Basically for anyone born after the 80s (therefore anyone under the age of about 40) the term is largely obsolete since most theatres have at least 4 screens and qualify as multiplexes, plus the industry has seen so much consolidation that smaller independent theatres with 1-2 screens are pretty uncommon now
It's called Jellyfin because "streaming" is something water does,
The rest of it is diffcult to know for sure but fins guide you and jelly is flexible, and Jellyfin is a fork of Emby - so maybe they were going with "[e]N comes after [e]M alphabetically?"
Here's where the service was named:
https://github.com/joshuaboniface/Emby/issues/2
Good explanation. I'd say that's still a lot of processing for our noggins to quickly adapt to a framework of mind to comprehend all that to make sense of it.
I still like the name and it does make since after it's all spelled out.
Agreed on all counts.
SeaShell sounds like it’s a zsh plugin tbh.
Nah, AI almost always gives the most anodyne, bland, wet-fart name ideas, because all it can think of is stuff that's already been thought of.
The only real use cases for AI are things that computers are good at: pattern recognition in large datasets, search, translation, sentiment analysis, natural language processing and synthesis, that sort of thing. When you can bring those strengths to bear on the problem you're in business. Sometimes a neural network is the right choice; more often (at least right now) you can do as well or better with a more "dumb" algorithm. Even when a neural network is the right choice (such as when you have a non-deterministic problem), using a small one selectively is almost always a better option than feeding the entire thing to a gigantic model.
Legitimate use cases for LLMs (beyond simple toys) are remarkably niche at the moment.
Banger title
Oh so what's g in grep and git stand for?
Global, and Linus.
Grep is g/re/p. Global, Regular Expression, Print.
gobject [Gobject]
Obgect
Sustained
You've been gnomed
As a former Windows user, it still is taking a long time to wrap my head around all this new terminology, functions, and systems.
This doesn't help. XD
unless you absolutely must, don't think about it
The W in Windows stands for worse, so good for you.
Not to be confused with glibc. Where the g does actually stand for gnu.
When I met rms, I said “gnoperating system” lmao
I thought it was called gnome because little gnomes go into your computer to draw the windows
So, what does the g in musl stand for ? Wait...
Exactly!
gnuimptklibobject
At least it's Not Unix.
Is this what AIX stands for?
The g in gobject stands for "Go run away as fast as you can and you may survive"
Reminds me of an old joke about how everything in KDE has a k and it's very annoyink and irrtitatink bekause they have less laks user interface kuidelines than GNOME. (I haven't checked, they've probably vastly improved since then)
The G is silent.
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It's pretty gsimple
Oh gnu, where the g stands for gnu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4
So gobject is gnuimptklibobject
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