I went to her profile expecting her to be the usual brainbroken conservative, and instead she's like, complaining about a reply getting removed because it had the F slur in it, but she also replied to one of Elon's AI-generated videos about his Tesla robot saying "Get the fuck out of here with this clanker bullshit", so I respect it.
I've gotta think this is satire. Any American that's ever had a burger has to know they charge more for a cheeseburger than a regular hamburger, regardless of the cheese type.
Not at this cheeseburger grill near me. They charge an extra dollar to "remove the cheese"... I think it's just a charge for a special order because adding a topping or basically any change also costs a dollar.
Nazis love dogwhistles, especially ones that are popular enough. This one's got an extra degree of separation over clown, goblin, or lizard but the connection is pretty clear.
there’s two types of people who use "clanker": clueless people who hate AI and want to make a Le Epic Star Wars Reference,
and people who think racism is funny and cool but don’t like the (shrinking, but still…) social consequences that come with racism, so they decide to be Ironically Racist™ to AI instead (see also the people saying shit like "wireback", "screws will not replace us", "rosa sparks", fucking "george droyd", etc)
i don’t think it takes much to figure out which group OOP is a part of
Slurs target a marginalized group. "Clanker" does not target a marginalized group, because generative AI is not part of a marginalized group. It is not even alive, therefore it is not a slur in the sense you're equating it to.
Please don't call other people "clueless" if you don't understand the things you're getting worked up over. Equating non-thinking computer processing models to oppressed minorities is doing far more damage than anyone using the term "clanker," ironically or otherwise.
yea, i guess someone saying "screws will not replace us" or "13% of the code, 50% of the bugs" (both real things i’ve seen people say) means nothing bad by it. dogwhistle? never heard of that! it’s just wholesome anti AI fun!
i hope i don’t have to explain why saying something like this is bad, right? and that it’s not about AI being a marginalized group, because of fucking course it isn’t, that’s never been the point!
like, when you see shit like "johnny the walrus", a book written by a far right podcaster about how boys can’t become walruses, no matter how many medical interventions they have being forced on them, and that they’ll all grow out of their "wanting to become a walrus" phase, do you think it’s really about walruses? do you think when people say "this book is transphobic" what they mean is "people wanting to become walruses are a marginalized group comparable to trans people"?
cause it’s the same shit with clanker and other assorted nonsense, you’re making racist jokes but swapping racialized people for an acceptable target. but guess what, it’s still racism! you’re still doing a racist joke!
Both examples are of disparaging comments directed at, you know, people. Veiled comments, sure, but pretty clearly directed at them nontheless.
Hot take, but: AI aren't people. As a result, comments directed at them aren't directed at people. Dogwhistles work because they're comments directed at a group (of people), couched in language so as to imply they are directed at something else. Do you see the difference, they're still directed at people? And clankers are, you know, not people?
Nobody's defending dogwhistling, but you're trying to imply that all negative comments that use "clanker" are dogwhistling (or somehow normalizing slurs), and you know darn well that that's disingenuous.
I think there's a huge difference between an intentional allegory used as an attack on a marginalized group, and a word being used to durogatorily refer to a non-living, non-feeling group of machines which are actively damaging the world.
yea, i guess someone saying "screws will not replace us" or "13% of the code, 50% of the bugs" (both real things i’ve seen people say)
I would agree that these things are not okay, becuase they're imitating insults that literally only exist to put forward racist ideology, and I'd tell anyone who used them around me as much.
cause it’s the same shit with clanker and other assorted nonsense, you’re making racist jokes but swapping racialized people for an acceptable target. but guess what, it’s still racism! you’re still doing a racist joke!
So, how about "chud" then, intended to refer to right-wing-minded hate mongers? Or, here's a better one, how about when we call right-wing extremists nazis as a durogatory insult? I mean they're certainly not all members of the third reich. We're using the term to equate them to something they strictly aren't, even if they share more ideology than is okay. We're still using words to categorize groups of people, and using them in intentionally insulting ways. Such durogatory terms are a part of our natural language. They're not nice, sure, but I don't want to be nice to people who are actively calling for violence against marginalized groups. But most importantly, we don't think of these words as slurs. Slurs are durogatory terms that target marginalized groups, unlike "chud," "nazi," or yes, "clanker."
I think there's far too much nuance here to make blanket insinuations like "durogatory terms used to refer to things we don't like are stand-ins for racist remarks." But considering some of the other connections you've seen people make, I can certainly understand the trepidation.
American cheese is just mild cheddar and colby jack, with an emulsifier added to help it blend together and melt smoothly. You can literally make bootleg American cheese by shredding the two together, adding an emulsifier (like sodium citrate) and heating until they melt.
That same emulsifier is what makes it so good for burgers. Aged cheddar tends to melt into clumps, and tends to get greasy as the milk fat separates out of the solids. The emulsifier helps the cheese solids and oils stay together, making it less clumpy and greasy.
Yup. Some brands may mix other cheeses in for taste, but it’s basically just those two cheeses and an emulsifier. A little bit of butter may help them melt more smoothly too, but it depends on how dry the cheddar is to begin with. Younger cheddars will melt easier, and may not need butter at all.
For those who are not aware, ^^this^^ is how you turn cheese into american cheese. (Though I think they just use milk or water, not butter. Maybe it wouldn't taste like shit if they used butter)
I love different types of cheese, but on a burger the more important thing is the quality of the beef. Only time I don't mind American cheese. Plus it melts just right.
Cow Milk is white.
Orange cheese is colored with annato. (Yes, yellow cheddar is colored with annato or other coloring. Same with yellow American cheese)
Natural unaged cheese color is the same as milk, white or a light off white.
well, i live in central europe, where cheese is still a natural product (unlike whatever the hell is called "cheese" in america), and i've never seen cheese that's the same color as milk (on the inside, below the crust). it's mostly yellow or yellow-white.
I think the key word was unaged. Cheese tends to become yellow when aged, starting very quickly. But stuff like cottage cheese and mozzarella are indeed milk colored
Being in Europe may just mean your cows are fed differently or a different breed.
Here in the US there are also laws about using raw milk vs pasteurized, so typically most milk and milk used for cheese making must be pasteurized, so I think that may cause it to be lighter colored cheese compared to raw milk cheese.
American cheese isn't a bad thing when it's the amalgam of several other cheeses. When it's just oil and binders it isn't even cheese though. There's no good way to know before buying it since they can call both cheese.
It depends but technically yes. American cheese is pretty simple, one or multiple cheeses blended with sodium citrate and some milk to create a very smoothly melting cheese. I actually made some myself last night by melting a bunch of very sharp cheddar cheese into some milk and adding a few slices of a decent American cheese to get the sodium citrate. I basically made a really good borderline cheese whiz for the sandwiches I made.
Kraft Singles, (which is what everyone likely has in mind for plastic fake cheese) however don't contain enough cheese as an ingredient to call the final product an actual cheese, there is a lot of milk powder added in that tips the ratios into cheese product territory.
It's a prepared cheese product! My uncle used to work at a factory that made it so I know their process.
It was only about 40% cheese, and the cheese utilized was a blend of the bits left over from making things like cheese sticks. This was combined with milk, milk proteins, and several emulsifiers to keep it from separating into oil and solids as it solidifies and again if it's melted.
Even the US won't allow it to be called cheese. It's called a "pasteurized prepared cheese product" because it doesn't contain enough cheese to legally call itself cheese or any variant of processed cheese.
It's a good grilled cheese cheese, and the standard cheese on Cuban Cheese Toast here. Taste slightly sharper than the yellow one. Good also for queso dip in a pinch. There is also a Swiss flavor white American cheese, that also gets used because it melts better than real Swiss. Not good.
And no they aren't cheese, though made of mostly cheese, they are "pasteurized processed cheese food".
I do remember one night I was high as fuck and went to Ruby Tuesdays or TGI Fridays or IDGAF Thursdays or something, and there was this party of four that were just the drunkest, rowdiest, gayest men I think I had ever seen. Like, name a gay stereotype, there were at least 2 of them at the table.
Anyways they had a rant about Michelob Ultras, and it was probably the funniest conversation I ever overheard. I completely forgot about until I looked at the receipt and it jogged my memory. It became a meme among a group of friends I broke ties with like a dozen years ago. Now all I remember is Michelob Ultra and that's it. Also, I'm high as fuck now. Weird how that works.
What was the joke? Michelob Ultra is my choice for light beer. It just tastes better than the other light alternatives. I'd prefer better beer, but sometimes you have to count your calories.
I'm in a highly technical STEM field, and sometimes I find myself feeling insecure about my intelligence as comparative to some of my math-wiz colleagues.
When did op say anything about their value as a human being tied to intelligence? They said insecure about their intelligence. You just totally projected something that wasn't there then were an ass about it.
Most of the time when I see a "community note" I mentally picture the people doing a slight facepalm and sighing. This one seems it'd require a two-hand facepalm.
I went to her profile expecting her to be the usual brainbroken conservative, and instead she's like, complaining about a reply getting removed because it had the F slur in it, but she also replied to one of Elon's AI-generated videos about his Tesla robot saying "Get the fuck out of here with this clanker bullshit", so I respect it.
I've gotta think this is satire. Any American that's ever had a burger has to know they charge more for a cheeseburger than a regular hamburger, regardless of the cheese type.
Tbf that's generally true everywhere
Not at this cheeseburger grill near me. They charge an extra dollar to "remove the cheese"... I think it's just a charge for a special order because adding a topping or basically any change also costs a dollar.
It has to be satire though right?
The account pays for a blue checkmark
So… does that mean it is or isn’t satire?
They've been using clanker to replace another *er word that starts with n. Just so you know.
Black people are not robots. NEXT!
Clanker->Robot->Slave/non-person
Nazis love dogwhistles, especially ones that are popular enough. This one's got an extra degree of separation over clown, goblin, or lizard but the connection is pretty clear.
I will not let nazis take clown away from me! Thats my culture they are stealing!
I think you're probably good on clowns unless you add world to the end... Or use it way too much.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Clown_World
Just like how you can call Zuckerberg a lizard person without necessarily meaning something anti-semitic.
there’s two types of people who use "clanker": clueless people who hate AI and want to make a Le Epic Star Wars Reference,
and people who think racism is funny and cool but don’t like the (shrinking, but still…) social consequences that come with racism, so they decide to be Ironically Racist™ to AI instead (see also the people saying shit like "wireback", "screws will not replace us", "rosa sparks", fucking "george droyd", etc)
i don’t think it takes much to figure out which group OOP is a part of
That's overly diminutive of who uses it. Especially the idea that someone has to be clueless to hate ai and want to make a start wars reference
i say clueless because the first group enables the second group, by normalizing the idea that saying fictional slurs is Super Cool And Good And Fun!
Did you know that every slur is made up?
Slurs target a marginalized group. "Clanker" does not target a marginalized group, because generative AI is not part of a marginalized group. It is not even alive, therefore it is not a slur in the sense you're equating it to.
Please don't call other people "clueless" if you don't understand the things you're getting worked up over. Equating non-thinking computer processing models to oppressed minorities is doing far more damage than anyone using the term "clanker," ironically or otherwise.
yea, i guess someone saying "screws will not replace us" or "13% of the code, 50% of the bugs" (both real things i’ve seen people say) means nothing bad by it. dogwhistle? never heard of that! it’s just wholesome anti AI fun!
i hope i don’t have to explain why saying something like this is bad, right? and that it’s not about AI being a marginalized group, because of fucking course it isn’t, that’s never been the point!
like, when you see shit like "johnny the walrus", a book written by a far right podcaster about how boys can’t become walruses, no matter how many medical interventions they have being forced on them, and that they’ll all grow out of their "wanting to become a walrus" phase, do you think it’s really about walruses? do you think when people say "this book is transphobic" what they mean is "people wanting to become walruses are a marginalized group comparable to trans people"?
cause it’s the same shit with clanker and other assorted nonsense, you’re making racist jokes but swapping racialized people for an acceptable target. but guess what, it’s still racism! you’re still doing a racist joke!
Weird hill to die on, but its your life. Die where you want.
Both examples are of disparaging comments directed at, you know, people. Veiled comments, sure, but pretty clearly directed at them nontheless.
Hot take, but: AI aren't people. As a result, comments directed at them aren't directed at people. Dogwhistles work because they're comments directed at a group (of people), couched in language so as to imply they are directed at something else. Do you see the difference, they're still directed at people? And clankers are, you know, not people?
Nobody's defending dogwhistling, but you're trying to imply that all negative comments that use "clanker" are dogwhistling (or somehow normalizing slurs), and you know darn well that that's disingenuous.
I think there's a huge difference between an intentional allegory used as an attack on a marginalized group, and a word being used to durogatorily refer to a non-living, non-feeling group of machines which are actively damaging the world.
I would agree that these things are not okay, becuase they're imitating insults that literally only exist to put forward racist ideology, and I'd tell anyone who used them around me as much.
So, how about "chud" then, intended to refer to right-wing-minded hate mongers? Or, here's a better one, how about when we call right-wing extremists nazis as a durogatory insult? I mean they're certainly not all members of the third reich. We're using the term to equate them to something they strictly aren't, even if they share more ideology than is okay. We're still using words to categorize groups of people, and using them in intentionally insulting ways. Such durogatory terms are a part of our natural language. They're not nice, sure, but I don't want to be nice to people who are actively calling for violence against marginalized groups. But most importantly, we don't think of these words as slurs. Slurs are durogatory terms that target marginalized groups, unlike "chud," "nazi," or yes, "clanker."
I think there's far too much nuance here to make blanket insinuations like "durogatory terms used to refer to things we don't like are stand-ins for racist remarks." But considering some of the other connections you've seen people make, I can certainly understand the trepidation.
George Lucas: Writes a complex dystopia where programmed people invent a slur to refer to the robots that very often think more freely than them.
George Lucas' audience: Takes it unironically as a "good guy vs. bad guy" story and decide to completely identify with the people using the slur.
To be fair, a lot of the credit for that complexity and depth goes to Dave
Wireback sounds like an AI cover of a Justin Timberlake single.
Terrified of Roko's basilisk?
Robots arent sentient. You will have a point when they are.
There needs to be a third vote button for "what the hell does that have to do with anything anyone is talking about?"
I would be more offended at being served American "cheese".
Many people swear by american cheese on burgers, but I just can't do it. Cheddar is far superior.
American cheese is just mild cheddar and colby jack, with an emulsifier added to help it blend together and melt smoothly. You can literally make bootleg American cheese by shredding the two together, adding an emulsifier (like sodium citrate) and heating until they melt.
That same emulsifier is what makes it so good for burgers. Aged cheddar tends to melt into clumps, and tends to get greasy as the milk fat separates out of the solids. The emulsifier helps the cheese solids and oils stay together, making it less clumpy and greasy.
Really? Always thought the taste was so artificial. I'm going to try making it sometime and go from there
Make sure to get actual american cheese from the deli, don't buy kraft singles or some fake "cheese product"
Yup. Some brands may mix other cheeses in for taste, but it’s basically just those two cheeses and an emulsifier. A little bit of butter may help them melt more smoothly too, but it depends on how dry the cheddar is to begin with. Younger cheddars will melt easier, and may not need butter at all.
So its just a dried cheese sauce?
It also has the benefit of making other cheeses melt together, that emulsifier makes complex grilled cheese sandwiches easier to make
I mean, isn’t all cheese just dried cheese sauce?
No, most cheese is just clumped milk solids. Also, American cheese isn't dried cheese sauce, it's cooled off cheese sauce.
The power of suggestion and branding cuts both ways
I put Roquefort and St-Felicien on my burgers, doesn't really melt but the taste is fantastic.
Or cut a little shallot onion, some cream and melt it all in a saucepan.
Some nice mature cheddar, proper stuff from the west country.
Not too mature, need it to melt properly
Combine with butter and sodium citrate to make any cheese meltable.
For those who are not aware, ^^this^^ is how you turn cheese into american cheese. (Though I think they just use milk or water, not butter. Maybe it wouldn't taste like shit if they used butter)
I love different types of cheese, but on a burger the more important thing is the quality of the beef. Only time I don't mind American cheese. Plus it melts just right.
American cheese is made from cheddar
I assume if it's on a burger it's sliced cheese. Was is it white? Do they bleach it?
Cow Milk is white. Orange cheese is colored with annato. (Yes, yellow cheddar is colored with annato or other coloring. Same with yellow American cheese)
Natural unaged cheese color is the same as milk, white or a light off white.
well, i live in central europe, where cheese is still a natural product (unlike whatever the hell is called "cheese" in america), and i've never seen cheese that's the same color as milk (on the inside, below the crust). it's mostly yellow or yellow-white.
I think the key word was unaged. Cheese tends to become yellow when aged, starting very quickly. But stuff like cottage cheese and mozzarella are indeed milk colored
yeah i somehow completely forgot about them lol, you're right
Well you can compare photos and recipe ingredients here: https://cheesemaking.com/collections/recipes
Being in Europe may just mean your cows are fed differently or a different breed. Here in the US there are also laws about using raw milk vs pasteurized, so typically most milk and milk used for cheese making must be pasteurized, so I think that may cause it to be lighter colored cheese compared to raw milk cheese.
You are aware that many of your foods still have food coloring right? There are many natural food colorings.
American cheese is barely cheese, and I don't just mean krafts singles
You are incorrect.
this is one of those hills in willing to die in though.
better to die in this hill than eat American milk based products
Tell that to the people making craft cheddar in Vermont, they'll have your head.
Instead of getting my head they should try getting some good cheese
Then you are just ignorant. It’s a big country with many food cultures.
just not a good cheese culture.
Clearly no good culture at all wherever your family comes from.
Y'all aren't even allowed to culture raw milk for proper cheese. And the weirdos who want raw milk are proplague twats.
White American Cheese .... is there such a thing? ... can it be called Cheese?
American cheese without the colorant, thus perfectly healthy
American cheese isn't a bad thing when it's the amalgam of several other cheeses. When it's just oil and binders it isn't even cheese though. There's no good way to know before buying it since they can call both cheese.
They cannot call both cheese, cheese is labelled as cheese and American cheese is labelled as "pasteurized process cheese product"
No, there is American cheese that is actual cheese, not just processed dairy product. Of course you won’t find someone like Kraft making it.
Do they not show the list of ingredients?
On the package? Yes.
At a restaurant? Not usually.
It's still cheese "product" though, right?
It's cheesy
American cheese is a travesty, but with that said, most American cheese I’ve had has been eating Kraft singles as a kid… so I may just be biased
Legally, in the US? Probably.
Try it on a European tourist as a prank.
It depends but technically yes. American cheese is pretty simple, one or multiple cheeses blended with sodium citrate and some milk to create a very smoothly melting cheese. I actually made some myself last night by melting a bunch of very sharp cheddar cheese into some milk and adding a few slices of a decent American cheese to get the sodium citrate. I basically made a really good borderline cheese whiz for the sandwiches I made.
Kraft Singles, (which is what everyone likely has in mind for plastic fake cheese) however don't contain enough cheese as an ingredient to call the final product an actual cheese, there is a lot of milk powder added in that tips the ratios into cheese product territory.
Made from white cheddar instead of yellow cheddar. Only difference is no annetto.
It's a prepared cheese product! My uncle used to work at a factory that made it so I know their process.
It was only about 40% cheese, and the cheese utilized was a blend of the bits left over from making things like cheese sticks. This was combined with milk, milk proteins, and several emulsifiers to keep it from separating into oil and solids as it solidifies and again if it's melted.
Even the US won't allow it to be called cheese. It's called a "pasteurized prepared cheese product" because it doesn't contain enough cheese to legally call itself cheese or any variant of processed cheese.
Americans are starting to blur the line between food and edible biowaste
Starting? I was eating Kraft cheese product from between two plastic wrappers for sandwiches when I was a kid, and I'm damn old.
"Emulsifier" can be a lot of things, but the rest of them are perfectly valid ingredients.
It's just milky jello instead of cheese.
It's a good grilled cheese cheese, and the standard cheese on Cuban Cheese Toast here. Taste slightly sharper than the yellow one. Good also for queso dip in a pinch. There is also a Swiss flavor white American cheese, that also gets used because it melts better than real Swiss. Not good.
And no they aren't cheese, though made of mostly cheese, they are "pasteurized processed cheese food".
Pawcohiccora is better than sodium citrate mammary secretions.
I think about 90% of these posts that are images of random people's social media posts are just people not getting jokes
Nah look again, homegirl was dumb enough to pay for the blue nazi checkmark lol
I mean $5 a piece for Michelob Ultra? $5 each for lightly pissed in water.
In their broken ways they make the world go round a little.
No; cracker. 🤦♂️
Cheese and cracker.
Crackist
We have a coffee called Flat White over here.
Such racism.
and body shaming
How dare!
(/s in case anyone wasn't sure)
4 beers and a burger, nice
4 Michelob Ultras. That's like, 1 beer.
I do remember one night I was high as fuck and went to Ruby Tuesdays or TGI Fridays or IDGAF Thursdays or something, and there was this party of four that were just the drunkest, rowdiest, gayest men I think I had ever seen. Like, name a gay stereotype, there were at least 2 of them at the table.
Anyways they had a rant about Michelob Ultras, and it was probably the funniest conversation I ever overheard. I completely forgot about until I looked at the receipt and it jogged my memory. It became a meme among a group of friends I broke ties with like a dozen years ago. Now all I remember is Michelob Ultra and that's it. Also, I'm high as fuck now. Weird how that works.
What was their central thesis?
Christ, this post gets better with every comment ahaha
Tell us more
What was the joke? Michelob Ultra is my choice for light beer. It just tastes better than the other light alternatives. I'd prefer better beer, but sometimes you have to count your calories.
this seems like satire
But then you notice the verified on her profile, and it confuses one more.
That doesn't mean verified anymore, it means she paid Elon for special treatment.
I am aware of that, which makes the post more confusing, not less.
Poe's law has struck again.
I'm in a highly technical STEM field, and sometimes I find myself feeling insecure about my intelligence as comparative to some of my math-wiz colleagues.
But then I see shit like this lol
Thanks for making me feel better about myself OP!
One mistake smart people do is connecting their intelligence to their value as humans. Like you did above, when you said you were feeling insecure.
Perhaps you get more respect from your peers by being intelligent but your value as a person is not in how good you can solve technical problems. :)
I mean sure, maybe to the organizations that hire you, you are that value... But thats just your value to the corporation.
Wow you are a pretentious ass
Just out of curiousity, why?
When did op say anything about their value as a human being tied to intelligence? They said insecure about their intelligence. You just totally projected something that wasn't there then were an ass about it.
Haha yeah maybe I did without realizing. Thanks!
That came out of nowhere wtf?
LMAO thats gold
Does she have to pay for crackers too?
Are those $20 for 16 units of Michelob or just one?
4 pints (16 ounces) priced at $5 each
That's... Acceptable. And that person deserved the overcharge. Michelob? That's white AF.
4x 16fl
Most of the time when I see a "community note" I mentally picture the people doing a slight facepalm and sighing. This one seems it'd require a two-hand facepalm.
I like this place.
it's a nice place and the girls are fun too. burgers are amazing.
After Trump announced a 50% tariff over Brazilian products, a cabaret in Brazil allegedly charged an American tourist 50% more.
The math in the receipt doesn't even make sense, but it surely went viral
[pt-BR] https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/recibo-de-cabare-no-ce-cobra-tarifa-do-trump-de-americano-e-viraliza
and a cheesetastic day to you too, white american
Cheese
Dude what the fuck? That was only like the very beginning of the video, where's the rest???
We need the rest!
For science!
That’s just standard immigrant tax.
Do you think she'd feel better if they charged $1.50 for yellow American?
Wow, you post stuff like this? You know that White Lives Matter!
Kinda cheesy comment tbh
I cant brie-lieve this content is allowed.
Only America exists
Cheese-eaters deserve discrimination.
LMAO being charged $1 for being white is exactly the racism white people think puts them on the same level as everyone else.
Woosh.