Nearly 90% of Windows Games now run on Linux, latest data shows — as Windows 10 dies, gaming on Linux is more viable than ever
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.nz/post/29912814
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/nearly-90-percent-of-windows-games-now-run-on-linux-latest-data-shows-as-windows-10-dies-gaming-on-linux-is-more-viable-than-everOpen linkView original on sh.itjust.works1470
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FYI: That's more Windows games than run in Windows!
WTF? Why? Because a lot of older games don't run in newer versions of Windows than when they were made! They still run great in Linux though 👍
There is like a good chunk of an entire decade’s worth of games that can’t be played on PC legitimately due to either expired licenses for music (e.g. EA Trax) or lack of support for older, disc-based DRM (SecuROM etc.).
That’s before factoring older titles that no longer work due to arbitrary changes to DirectX and the Windows kernel, which break backwards compatibility.
Huh wonder whether shadows of destiny pc port works on proton.
Might be worth checking ProtonDB, or WineDB if it's not on steam.
It wasn't on proton but there's a very old entry on wine. Looks like my boy Jeff's last entry was quite recent in 2023, he rated it a silver. There's a known bug from some graphical glitch during certain events like the protagonist meeting himself back in time and others which may prevent completion. I wonder how it works now, tempted to test it out.
Just made the switch, surprised how smooth the transition went so far.
Ooooh, what distro did you go with?
Can’t be Arch, else he would’ve already said that he uses Arch btw. /s
Listen...
I went full AMD and Fedora. Couldn’t be happier. All games I’ve tested work. It’s been a while since I’ve had a gaming pc so I don’t have a reference point, but everything is as smooth as I’d want to. Some games may need a library or so as stated in protonDB but, I’m so impressed. Now I have desktop running KDE, steam deck has KDE too and my laptop also with fedora.
For real, full AMD on Fedora is incredibly stable and smooth.
Hey! This is also my setup!
Mint, I need my emotional support windows xp.
Omg saaammeeeee
😂
For a while I never made the switch because of gaming. I did 3 years ago and never looked back. Proton is a game changer
Same here! Although so far my experience has been dominated by 3 little words: Processing Vulkan Shaders
The only ones that wouldn't work are probably the ones with kernel level anti cheat. Maybe if I would be much younger, I might have had different opinion, but, as of today, I believe that all these games that wont run on Linux due to anti-cheat are cancer anyway.
Kernel level anti-cheat is what's probably going to keep me on Windows for a while. I get those games aren't for everyone, but I like them well enough, and that's what my friend group plays. Warzone, DMZ, and going to try RedSec tomorrow. Kind of a shame. Otherwise I'd love to make the jump. As it is I'll probably see about dual booting when I get my next PC in a year or two.
You have thousand of other games you can play that don't require kernel level anti cheat, don't be a fool
I respect where you're coming from, but a) "fool" is literally in my name. And b) you're saying "there are other good games, leave those games you're enjoying." But you're also saying "there are other people, leave your friends and family that you play with." And that's a little different.
More like Jeffcool
You should try to strengthen your relationship so that they don't spin around a specific videogame. What happens if you get banned or the requirements for playing the game becomes even more stupid?
It's not 1 specific game but 1 genre - competitive online multiplayer titles. OP lists 2 such games. They're not what I play but to each their own.
Enjoying a particular genre of games together as a group doesn't make make for a weak relationship. The fact OP plays a range of titles regularly with a group of friends suggests the opposite to me.
You can run them alternative ways usually. Fortnite works with mouse and keyboard through gamepass, although gamepass is a shit deal just for fortnite.
I know a lot of people dual boot or use a virtual machine with windows on it too.
Only local streaming from an Xbox. Streaming from their website requires a controller and I've never been able to get a controller to work with a browser on Linux. Well, on Bazzite at least.
I use a Microsoft Xbox One controller I use to play game pass games on Edge. I use Debian, but it was recognized and worked when I paired it in Bluetooth
I tried Floorp and Ungoogled Chromium, and I could only get them to detect my controller if I plugged it in while on the page. If I already had it plugged in, it just wouldn't work. Tried some online HID testers and determined it wasn't specific to the website. IDK.
That's strange. I definitely figured bazzite would have much better device support for game controllers out of the box.
Yeah, idk. I tried both a PS4 and Xbox One controller, too, but it was all the same.
Ive literally done it, but thats not to say it might not work all the time or under all configurations. I was using I think librefox.
Done what? Used mouse+keyboard for streaming without a console at xbox.com/play? If so, I dunno what to say, I tried on both Windows and Linux under two Firefox browsers on Windows and Firefox and Chromium on Linux. Booting any game presents me with a console UI and doesn't respond to any keyboard input.
It only worked for fortnite, I thought I made that explicit but if I didnt, my bad. For some reason fortnite console version allows mouse and keyboard, at least thats why I think it works.
In my experience AAA games from around 2000s and early 2010s often have problems running in Linux, especially if they have DRM.
In some cases a pirated version will run just fine whilst the official one won't.
in my experience it's the exact same situation on Windows
Funnilly enough plenty (if not most) games which won't at all run in a more recent Windows like Windows 10 and Windows 11 run just fine in Linux via Wine.
All in all if we consider the full or near full timeframe for "windows games" (say, all the way back to Win95) I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that a present day Linux distro can run more "windows games" as Windows 11.
One of the more entertaining (though hardly unexpected) discoveries for me when I moved from Windows to Linux on my gaming machine was that several of the games I owned which I could not get to run in Windows, worked fine in Linux.
2026 will be the year of the Linux desktop!
The time is near
Every year
I am a PC gamer and I exclusively use Linux. It's completely viable for gaming, I can say for a fact.
How is device support? Direct drive steering wheels, gamepad, VR, status LED or info displays (ie. Making your keyboard glow red on low health) and bunch of other things like my Sound Blaster G6
Me since 2017 when I stopped dual booting. Never looked back thank goodness
me since dec 2024, i usually use Linux for gaming(thank you Valve for Proton) but i may still spin up a Windows VM to flash roms to my Samsung Phone(grimlers fork sucks).
apps are also pretty alright on Linux but would love this area see some improvement.
i also feel like FOSS works the best on Linux cause duh Linux itself is foss, incl apps.
i wonder how these numbers change if you weight by active players. like sure, Shooty Guns 2 (2008) running on linux is a good thing, but if it has a grand total of 5 people in the world playing it, it won't really do much for linux adoption as long as games like league of legends, apex legends and fortnite still don't work
(for the record i don't play any of those games and i've been happily daily-driving linux with no windows intervention for the last 4 year)
I seem unable to find this Shooty Guns 2 (2008) you speak of.
It's the sequel to Shooty Guns (1992), one of the first games to come in two separate floppy disks.
Can't seem to find it all I get is either the LA shootings of 1992 or knock off games from itchio. Mind sending me an Internet archive page/ pointer to this franchise?
I'm pretty sure that's a mock-buster title so they don't piss any fandom off.
Very fair argument. This way the statistics would most likely be considerably worse. Though personally, I couldn't care less about games like League, Fortnite or FIFA. A case could be made thay they're almost always harmful, so them being unavailable isn't an issue.
I've yet to find a game that I couldn't play (though knowing me I probably forgot one or two). It's mainly mods that I've not been able to implement, as some of them require running an exe file.
However I've had very helpful people tell me I can do all that in a wine instance or something similar so mainly it's just my own laziness (and lack of understanding about how to "do it in a wine instance") that's holding me back from installing fancy modpacks or playing the latest Stalker gamma version.
Also i don't play multiplayer stuff so the anti-cheat thing issues don't usually apply to me. So there's that.
Lutris for mods. You can point it at the game exe downloaded by steam in many cases (not all), and then run arbitrary exes inside the same wine prefix.
In my personal experience, the only games that don't work are those that explicitly choose not to :
I'm not much into competitive games myself, so the only one that's inconvenient in this list to me is Roblox. There are a few really fun games on their platform that I wish I could play on Steam Deck, as used to be possible.
You can play Roblox through Sober. It runs the Android version directly so it's pretty similar to what an official port would be, in terms of performance
Sober is awesome, and I can actually have Roblox LAN parties with my son thanks to it.
I play a lot of Space Engineers, and it randomly crashes... No idea what's causing it.
And Space Engineers 2 just doesn't launch for me.
There's likely a config option that could fix things, but I don't know it.
Every other game I play is fine.
You know about protondb already? Gives a good list of potential fixes if you come across issues, it's been a godsend on the rare occasions something doesn't work first try
I know. Tried a few things from that site, but no luck on SE, and SE2 is under active development so I'm waiting on it for a bit.
Fair, good luck with it. Just had to figure out that a drive from a windows install was causing huge permissions issues and any game installed on it wasn't executing. Sometimes the problems can be really obtuse.
Have you changed which version of proton it uses? It's in the compatibility options for the game, sometimes going to an older version solves some issues.
For SE2, it's likely a version issue. But that game is under active development, so I'm waiting on it.
For SE1, well that one is a bit of a mystery... It probably isn't. I have a few mods.
Check the Lutris website, there may be a custom install script there
That's because of the awful spaghetti code that is the basis of Space Engineers. I gave up on that game years ago, because those devs were vibe coding before it was cool, and it shows.
I will say, the game is remarkably stable compared to what it was a few years ago. Especially pistons and rotors.
But yes, it still crashes randomly. About once or twice an hour.
And I got SE2 running. No crashes there, but I don't like creative mode, so play SE2 much less.
I am excited for the upcoming SE2 survival mode
Not too surprisingly, you can add League of Legends (another Riot games title) to the list. While I'm not a fan of kernel level anticheat, I do love most of these games, and it's really frustrating how I don't see any change in the future. After more than a year of struggling, I finally managed to get my Mint working (turns out my old mobo was faulty), but it looks like I will still have to keep Windows for basically all multiplayer titles I play.
really sucks that League doesn't work . . . I know some people who play and the fact that it used to work just sours the pain.
I guess, at least Dota 2 works? I know they are very different, but I'd say similar enough and worth a shot so long as one isn't too tied to LoL.
Thanks for the tip, I should give it a try. I'm not sure I still have the energy to invest months until I start to understand stuff while sucking and losing all the time, but I will get there eventually.
I believe Destiny 2 also doesn’t work. I just don’t play it anymore lol
Rocket League as well; it's the only reason I haven't gone full Linux for gaming.
...you'd think after 8+ years of playing I'd be bored, but it's just fun.
Rocket League works on linux? Unless something changed recently, because I used to play it on my Steam Deck all the time.
https://www.protondb.com/app/252950
Rocket league is inside fortnight now.
Basically they want fortnite to be a complete (malware) gaming package with every game inside it sp youre tied to epic.
Fortunately it's still up on Steam for us (few) legacy players
Had to install it twice because it first installed the linux native, Proton version runs fine might need to give it an input to get past the welcome screen which was blacked out for me.
I played Rocket League yesterday on Bazzite through Steam without issues
Whaaaaaat
Bazzite here I come
Heroic Launcher (frontend for Epic Games Launcher) also worked for me on arch linux
Try wine bottles, Im using that for games on Linux Mint, havent found any issues yet. You may also need flat seal to make it accessible outside the flatpak environment.
I would have thought that, as I have played closer to 8 hours, and I am bored with it 😂 glad it's still fun for you though 😊
The distro really matters as far as Roblox goes. I tried Arch, Manjaro, Garuda and couldn't get it working. Ended up back at Ubuntu and it works fine now
For Roblox you have to use Sober
Linux doesnt have games that install kernel-level spyware under the guise of anti-cheat. Hopefully never will, but I don't underestimate gamers who love think spyware is a good idea. Stay away from linux if you want kernel anti cheat please, its ruining computers
Breaking News:
This just in new game requires sudoers access to play!
What's hilarious is that is par the course on windows to run Steam as an admin. In fact that fixes a ton of bugs for people, so any executable the steam process spawns, like game executables, has admin rights as well.
You are not in the sudoers file, this incident WILL BE REPORTED. ಠ_ಠ
I’m confused, first you say that Linux doesn’t have anti-cheat, and then you say you should stay away from Linux if you want anti cheat.
Kernel level anticheat. There's very effective anticheat that is not kernel level and therefore works fine on Linux.
https://www.practical-tips.com/games/what-are-kernel-level-anti-cheats-and-how-do-they-work-all-the-info/
Ah thanks!
No worries buddy 👍
Linux doesn't have kernel level anti cheat and I hope it remains that way, but I fear my opinion will be in the minority soon if not already.
Who would be against that? And why?
No I think you got the message of what they were saying correct. Linux doesn't have kernel level anti-cheat at the moment, and they're saying that if you are a proponent of it, then don't use Linux because it's something we'd like to continue not having.
There are layers of abstraction between the kernel and the userspace, and few applications need kernel level access. Anti-cheat poking around in the kernel is very invasive. I know plenty of people who equate it to spyware, myself included.
Can you prevent cheating without it?
Yeah, there’s anti cheat software that doesn’t run in the kernel. You can bypass that and still cheat, but if you’re insistent you can do that even with kernel-level anti-cheat. There’s a whole big debate on this, lots of differing opinions.
I mean companies could probably already create perfectly good kernel level anticheat on Linux if they really wanted to through eBPF programs.
That would not require permanent changes to the Kernel and games would only need root rights at install time. (Like most software already does)
I wouldn't even have a problem with that kind if a solution.
trying to force AI into windows 11 isnt helping MS.
I can not understand why they made that decision.
They think line won't go up if they don't shove it down every user's throat. They've put most of their eggs in that basket.
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Because it allows them to collect and process more data, which can be used or sold, increasing their profits.
The end user is seen as nothing but an exploitable resource. If a few thousand nerds don't like it, they don't give a shit. Until the general public wakes up to the shitfuckery, nothing will change. Just ask your mom, what she thinks about Microsoft's data collection.
To be fair it's not just Microsoft doing that. I was looking at gym equipment the other day and some idiots were trying to sell a fucking home gym with AI. Everyone wants to sell it, nobody wants to buy it.
I'm installing Mint for the first time at this very moment. So far, it's easier than I anticipated. Fuck You Microsoft.
Edit: bro, firstly, what the fuck and where did all this performance come from?!?! I vastly underestimated how many resources windows was hogging. I downloaded Steam (easy-peasy) and then Project Zomboid just as a test. This game runs like butter now. I was having major problems with it before. To the point I basically stopped playing. I know its just one example but I haven't had my machine run this well in several years, I feel. Also, got Spotify running. Super easy. I need to figure out how to get my VPN set up (ProtonVPN) but so far, I'm kind of in shock. I can't wait to actually dig in and see what I can do with this new setup.
One of the most frequently suggested beginner distros is Linux mint. It's great, it's stable, it's what I use and while it's not exactly cutting edge, or necessary the prettiest distro, it's great for beginners and will feel pretty familiar coming from windows.
Pop_os! And bazzite are more "gaming focused" if that's more your style, but I've never had an issue gaming with Linux mint.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter terribly much. Pick one, install it to a new drive and try it out. If you don't like it, pick another one.
Linux mint isnt just not bleeding edge, its significantly more stable than Debian. Its so much incredibly more stable that they still use X11 and probrally will for the foreseeable future.
Meanwhile nearly 60% of Windows Games now run on Windows.
And how many run on linux via a well documented way?
I've been playing around with bazzite a bit, and for sure, i can run a lot of games on it, but you often end up googling which launcher to use, which settings to use, ... And then even if you find something, it doesn't always work.
Linux is making good progress in this regard, but this title feels a bit over optimistic (or at least, users who take it at face value will quickly be disappointed when they can't get 90% of their games to work).
But what percentage of games that use anticheat?
Probably a somewhat popular opinion in the Linux crowd already, but I think we should be pressing companies to find better ways to manage anti-cheats than kernel-level anti-cheat anyway. I'm glad I don't play games like that because I don't like how it works at all.
Absolutely. It's completely possible too by using server side verification and not giving the client info they shouldn't have, but that costs them slightly more in server costs (which aren't significant).
It would also require designing the games code to account for this from the start, so not insignificant but definitely all reasonably possible, as in if there were magically legislation tommorow forcing all new multiplayer games to stop doing invasive anti cheat in a year, it'd be done in 6 months.
Not always, latency is a huge problem especially in action games.
The implicit implication of your comment is that sever side verification etc inherently means unacceptable latency and I see no reason to believe it; only gut feelings
No, but it is a far more complex problem than what the other comment made it sound like. That it is only because they cheap out on server hardware and it could be perfect if they just wasn't cheap.
There isn't a single comment in this chain that says it's purely about server costs.
Seems about 40% working, I personally only have one game that doesn't jive with Linux. If the game you're playing doesn't work that's the fault of the specific anti-cheat developers because it's obviously possible to do it right.
Sure, but from the end user perspective, it doesn't matter whose fault it is - the result is you can't play a game you otherwise just can in Windows. We know it's their fault.
If you never play any games with anticheat that's fine, but all it takes is one game, and then later another, and then later another, to make Linux a dealbreaker for many gamers. These are not unpopular games.
It can be the whole difference between someone sticking with Windows but itching to make the switch, and someone actually making the switch.
What good is 90% of games working if you have 3 games that you really want to play that don't work?
What good are those 3 games you want to play if they don’t work on the OS you want to use?
It’s just a matter of priority, about 8 years ago, I just made the decision to not play a game if it doesn’t work on Linux.
The game doesn't become inherently less enjoyable just because your system doesn't meet the requirements to run it.
There is a big problem in having to change your worldview so that no longer being able to enjoy a game you wanted to experience becomes a non-issue.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean, but if I understand you correctly, I think the same logic can be applied to using n OS of choice.
I still think it’s an issue of priority.
The fomo is real
I 100% get what you are saying. But I'm also 100% fine with voting with my wallet by not supporting game developers that demand kernel-level access to my machine.
Think about the EA stuff. You install one of their games, and now Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner* have kernel-level access to your machine. Why, why the hell is that worth it for just a game?
*I wish I was joking
Those are likely shit games.
I used to be huge into Battlefield. Even on Linux, I played the shit out of BF4. But I will never be sad about avoiding kernel level anticheat. I don't even feel like I'm missing out, quite the opposite really, especially after Saudi Arabia bought out EA. Why would I ever want kernel level anything from them? They'd have to pay me.
I guess that's all to say that I just don't play those games, and I'm better off for it. I think we should be educating other gamers on what they're sacrificing to play these games for little reduction in cheaters (BF6 has them, I've seen videos of it). Is it really worth it to have a Saudi rootkit on your computer to play that game? Are they willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and digital freedoms so they can play a game for a couple of hours a day or week? If so, that's fine, but games that use kernel level anticheat tend to try to mask the risks of running them, which is fucked.
The rust entry is kinda wrong. Linux friendly community servers do run they just need more active players to be fun
Had a quick look into this, this is the best related info I could find on the situation with Rust.
As a former RUST addict, I can tell you that Facepunch didn't really know what they were doing initially with the game on Linux (although they gave an honest try).
Later, they basically said, "Look, we don't really have the knowledge to support this, so you can ask for a refund if you exclusively bought the game to play on Linux, and if you are using Proton/Wine/etc, you can play on non-EAC community servers" (since official servers use Linux incompatible EAC). They aren't hostile to the Linux community, but Gary and the team feel like they aren't up to the task, so they don't officially support things anymore.
I think the lack of EAC support is a red flag for some users that there may be more cheaters compared to windows (and more bugs). At least that was my perspective when I was reading the Reddit posts and forum posts at the time.
That's the thing, though, EAC can run on Linux if the devs allow it. There are games that use EAC that run just fine on Linux.
That loops back to the "Facepunch doesn't believe they have the technical expertise/manhours available to support Linux users so therefore simply provides refunds to prior Linux customers and a 'no support but not antagonistic approach' to Proton/Wine users" problem that they've found themselves in. I would imagine internally, if they flipped that hypothetical switch, it would be seen as them committing to provide Linux support again (which they've admitted they aren't prepared to do).
From their perspective, it's better to just allow Proton users to play but not allow them to join "official servers" or community servers with the existing EAC so they aren't accused by the community (I know, we suck sometimes) of "allowing Linux cheaters to fly under the radar". They also won't have to handle their support tickets, I reckon, and can just provide a refund if needed.
I mean, you get what you pay for with games that have anti cheat software mandatory.
Less cheaters?
I don't know what you mean.
Well, I'm 90% proud of Linux!
I made the switch almost a year ago when they started announcing all the spyware coming to win11. The distro you choose matters a LOT. After several that were buggy and frustrating I landed on Garuda dragonized. Setup was easy with their assistant finding the drivers I needed and I have yet to have any system breaking updates. Better track record than windows TBH. Performance is great, and steam integrates so well with proton that my experience is honestly just as good as windows native. I should probably go make a donation to the Garuda project, now that I'm thinking about it.
Linux Mint here. I have had only 1 issue with a game on Linux and honestly, it was an easier fix then getting some games working on Windows which I have experienced plenty of as well. Linux really is just as easy as "Install from Steam, play".
Drivers are easy now today too, just like Windows. Honestly, if you gamed on Windows, you have all you need to game on Linux.
I've found Bazzite and Arch-based distros like SteamOS tend to fare better when it comes to gaming (probably due to their different update model compared to Mint), but if what you're after is stability and familiarity and don't play super new games, Mint's awesome. Glad you're having fun with it :)
if i cant run something at linux i'll just do without it. Might try virtual machine if its something really crucial but might not care to even bother. Fortunately any games i know that will not run are kind of games that i wouldnt want to touch anyway.
I'm not going to throw doubt on the 90% number. Statistics are made up and generally don't mean anything. "90% of games" .... In what context? Games on steam? Games ever made? I don't think I'm going to be playing sierra titles from the 90s.... What about Flash based games that used to run in a browser? Do they count?
I don't know and it doesn't matter.
The only thing I want to say is that the "10%" that don't work are usually pretty popular.
I'd like to see this metric based on average player counts. What percentage of gamers, playing games right now, could play on Linux.
IMO, that would give a much more relevant indication of how viable it is for most gamers to switch to Linux.
I'm still using Windows 10 and no, I didn't buy their extended bullshit. I don't even run the latest version of Windows 10. I also have an update server setup so I don't usually get updates often because I need to go approve them. But I also work in IT and I've seen every social engineering attack type that's been used since the 90s and I know when to not click on something. I haven't needed an anti virus on my personal system in 20 years.
To say I'm not worried about it is an understatement.
If you open it, it mentions the data is from protondb. Which is a database of steam games
And? How does this indicate the daily active player counts for the games supported and not supported?
Half of steam is just hentai or shovelware games anyway
Wouldn't you be playing Sierra games from the 90s in ScummVM whether you were on Linux or Windows anyway?
"Alexander pulls out his bootable USB"
Idk, I've never tried to run 30 year old games on modern systems.
I'm just not that nostalgic.
I don't think anybody cares you're proud to use Windows
Neat.
Thank you for your unsolicited opinion.
Yeah, like I'm glad Linux support is increasing among games, but my main daily driver game (Genshin) still doesn't support it 🤷 And I don't think Hoyoverse will be spending work on Linux support when they are raking in so much cash from their millions of players. From what I can see Linux usage hovers around 0.3% in China, and that's Hoyo's main market.
You should be able to run the android version with waydroid, thought i am not sure how the expirience may be, the only hoyoverse game i ever played is ZZZ and i play it only on mobile (also, it has the nice "feature" of heating my hands in the cold morning)
I'm playing with mouse and keyboard, so not sure that's possible with the Android version.
I saw a Linux Genshin launcher on github a while ago, but iirc it carries some ban risk that I don't want to expose my account to.
For gamers who are newcomes to Linux, Ubuntu (or Debian) should be a hard pass. Linux gaming is advancing too fast for the 2-3 year gap between LTS versions to not matter, and trying to work around the stable (outdated) packages is typically what ends up breaking installs.
I actually just switched to Ubuntu 25.10 from Bazzite. Can you recommend me other (non atomic) distros that play nice with both secure boot and nvidia drivers? I don’t think fedora does. I’m not interested in managing keys and certs for my drivers, and do occasionally play those anti-cheat games on a dedicated windows partition. I’d rather not toggle secure boot each time I reboot.
Did you set up secure boot during setup of Bazzite, out of curiosity? It has the ability to function with it and should prompt you if I remember correctly.
I don’t think I did originally, but I don’t recall secure boot being an issue with it when I did do the switch. I may have had to install a key or something, but I honestly don’t remember.
I’ve had driver issues with Fedora 42 under secure boot (RTX 3060ti), and Ubuntu seems to be the winner so far that’s playing nice with everything. I haven’t run into any gaming issues yet besides the latest Sonic Racing game not starting.
I love the philosophy of Atomic distros like Kinoite and even run Bazzite on my AMD living room “console”. I’d recommend them all day long to folks new in the space since they’re hard to break by design - especially Bazzite for a gaming machine if invasive anticheat isn’t needed - but it’s not for me.
Totally fair - you gotta find and use what works for you!
I wouldn't exactly recommend it because of the learning curve, but I have the exact setup you're looking for working on NixOS.
Lanzaboote made it pretty easy. The downside is that you need to put secure boot into user-managed mode, and some asshole anticheats might not like that even though only Microsoft-signed executables were used in the boot chain of Windows.
CACHYOS literally ANYTHING arch based.
There's a REAL good reason steam uses arch. A REALLY REALLY GOOD ONE.
Cachy won't necessarily be a magic bullet for Nvidia drivers, especially for older GPUs.
It's a good option though, I just wanted to set expectations.
How fedora still struggles to keep up sometimes which has always confused me why people suggest a bazzite. Not to mention how many community tools and communities that are starting to support Linux. Only support Arch and don't support anything else.
Which means you now have new users trying to figure out how to f*** to compile or install software outside of their package managers without a flat pack or anything. Just to use the same community tools that they used on Windows.
While it's just in the aur because it's supported. Seriously cachyOS is such a easier solution for new comers.
People suggest Bazzite because it just works and is difficult to break or otherwise have things to wrong. I'm not sure what you mean by "struggles to keep up", can you explain?
Also, you know about rpm-ostree and distrobox, right?
Listen, there's dozens of Linux users on Void, Slackware and Gentoo. Dozens! Especially the ones wanting to run the latest games. Can't just leave all of them out.
Indeed - I've seen more people recommend Hannah Montana Linux (
apt-based) than any of those for newcomers recently.You are entirely right that a Linux distribution is really just its package manager, the default packages installed, and some remote repositories which may (or may not) have had some customisation applied, which will have been pulled and built from a source repository somewhere. All that's really needed to swap between eg. Arch, Manjaro or Cachy is to update the repo files and issue a package manager update command, although I'd probably like to verify my backups and get a stiff drink first.
The House of Linux is built out of bricks, and the bricks aren't that scary - you can take them to bits and look at them if you like, they're usually zipped-up folders of text files and the binaries you'd get from compiling them yourself. But if that's not what you're used to, then yeah - 🤯 .
In all seriousness, I wish that most distros had art half as good as what Void Linux has - got some really gifted people, there.
The problem with bazzite is it's just an objectively worse option then cachyOS if your using your PC exclusively to game.
Immutable distros and the lack of aur can be such a massive pain in the fucking ass if you play games with a lot of community tools.
Almost exclusively every community tool I've ever seen for any game only ever supports Arch and never anything else. So while you can use other things, it sucks to have to compile it all yourself every f****** update.
I've never had an issue with any community tools on an immutable distro. Especially distros that have distrobox, but for the most part, the community tools I've needed use lutris or flatpak and do not require compilation. Do you have an example of some of the tools you're talking about? I'm not necessarily doubting you, I just haven't encountered it before. You can also still install things (at the cost of image space) with rpm-ostree.
I can access the aur on Bazzite easily using my Arch distrobox.
I mean, I don't. But I can.
Dude, we don't know what you just said. Lol
The three base distros mentioned are ones that most other distros use as their base
E.g.
Debian -> Ubuntu, Mint, Pop_OS!
Fedora -> Bazzite, Nobara
Arch -> EndeavourOS, Manjaro, CachyOS
While you can customize the base distros however you want, think of these derivate distros as various prebuilts.
Most distros come with a package manager that allows you to download (software) packages from a centralized repository. Similar to say Microsoft store. Ubuntu was dissed for Canonical (the creators of Ubuntu) forcing their own package manager into it, which had various issues, while there were already well established package managers available.
Desktop Environment (DE) is what you see on your screen. Various elements control how the task bar or app bar behaves or what it looks like, what windows are stylized like, and how they behave etc. For someone coming from Windows, Linux Mint's Cinnamon DE or any distro with KDE will likely be most familiar experience, while those switching from MacOS, Gnome DE as the Fedora default is very similar.
Bazzite is a gaming focused distro based on Fedora.
Any questions remaining?
Can you install your own package manager? Are there established quality ones?
Thanks for this btw
Which distro is the steam deck based on?
Arch. Use cachyOS which is arch it's just what steamOS is but with a focus on also being a normal desktop on top.
Seriously do not understand why people push bazzite when it's just a more complicated less supported option compared to cachyOS. For the exact same work load.
You keep saying this, but then do not elaborate very much. A lot of your comments in this thread have been something about Bazzite being bad/complicated/slow. Bazzite is not necessarily more complicated, it's actually a lot less complicated in most ways and is difficult to break by design, as are other immutable distros. This is precisely why it is pushed to new Linux users. It's a good starting point to have something that just works and not have to worry about much. I think a lot of long time Linux users are used to having full control over every piece of the OS, and have (like yourself) come to expect all distros to work that way. That's fine and I totally understand that, but you should also consider that those who have not built the same habits from non-immutable might prefer a more hands off approach. I've used Linux for almost two decades, and I daily drive immutable because it's so stable. I'm able to scratch the itch of wanting to mess with stuff by using distrobox, and if I'm really messing around, just using rpm-ostree. Sure, it's different than normal distros, and it's not for everyone, but it got my partner to use Linux on their own without any issues.
It's okay to suggest other options for sure, but don't get snarky when people are suggesting what works for them. The main benefit of Linux is that you have a choice in the first place, and you aren't going to be stuck with whatever distro you're using if they decide to do something catastrophic.
There is no such thing as a one-fits-all distro.
I think maybe you just don't know how to use Bazzite...
Thanks. It seems like there's three OS's on the Deck, the way it's set up.
Arch
As someone who went through something similar, Linux Mint is a really great option. Based off Ubuntu so lots of software, cinnamon desktop environment for a windows familiar feel and layout, and stable releases.
If you want a windows-like experience, Linux Mint is hard to beat. It will feel very familiar.
If you enjoy gaming (which I’m assuming you do, considering the article) then maybe Bazzite would be a good option. It comes with GPU drivers (which have historically been a giant pain in the ass for Linux) ready to go. It’s an immutable distro, which is… Contentious in the Linux community. It means you won’t be able to accidentally break your OS, but it also means it isn’t as customizable. The newer users appreciate the safety net, but the experienced power users see it as overly restrictive coddling.
It also pisses off new users frequently when they start to try to use any community tools for most games... Bazzite is a fucking nightmare for gaming because of it. It's God damn funny counter productive issue.
The steam deck has the same problem to be fair.
Also historically is right, installing drivers has been trivial on every distro I can possibly think of for the last fuck, almost 20 years.
There have been one click gui installers for fucking ever at this point. Lol
For gaming, you can't go wrong with Bazzite. It's meant for gaming to mostly just work out of the box, so you likely won't need to tinker with anything.
It's that tinkering that introduces stability risks. Adding third-party package repositories and trying to install newer software on top of older LTS distros is what tends to end up breaking them.
How new is your computer?
I found Pop!_OS worked out of the box fine on my new desktop.
Mint had problems, but worked fine on my older computers.
Back up any important software (like, on a separate drive or online). Get a couple flash drives. Try out mint, popos, bazzite. They're all free so it doesn't matter that much if you don't like one.
I don't recommend trying to dual boot on one drive because windows is a rude room mate.
I am running Pop!_OS, too. Really easy to get in. For most parts entering code isnt needed. And when its just installing packages.
For Singleplayergames i dont have any problems. Its just install and play.
If someone just multiplayer games it can be hard time. Many anticheat wont work
Depends on how much you care about security. Some distros are still very focused on "I operate my desktop in my locked house and don't expect police to knock" use cases. If you're chill with typing in a disk encryption password on boot you can turn that on, but getting a seamless secure boot+tpm decrypt is pretty challenging.
And then if that is what you want, people will of course happily tell you what a stupid insecure idea that is because Intel or Microsoft or something.
To answer your question broadly: I found arch/endeavor to be easier to secure and have a single set of solid instructions. OpenSuse and fedora both had multiple mediocre and deeply iffy sets of instructions, but for basic setup and use they are easier to use. OpenSuse bricked several times, fedora was far far far more stable for me but you'll hear countless people with the opposite story. I don't care for Ubuntu.
The bigger impact past setup is the desktop environment. You pick gnome (Ubuntu, fedora, endeavor) if you hate yourself and think some random dev 5000 miles away can make decisions for you better than you can. You pick KDE (fedora, suse, endeavor) if you want a nice windowsesque experience. You pick cosmic (popos, derived from Ubuntu) if you want to try something new that might suck. There are others but they are mostly if you want a super cut down experience.
People have recommended mint for new users for at least a decade or so. Please just don't. It's super out of date.
Rule 1 you do not get better instructions, manuals and documentation then arch and it's family. Full stop. It's great
If you need a computer that's reliable for office work, use Debian, if you want a more console-like experience and less likely it'll break your computer, use bazzite, if you want to be able to use new hardware, the moment it's released to the market have the best compatibility with all games and software and the widest range of supported hardware and software use cachyOS.
Debian is stable because it updates so slowly. It makes sure everything works under pain of death. So having compatibility issues, new hardware being supported, having to do weird little things for a less than popular application is pretty normal. But if it works, it's literally the most stable thing you can possibly put on a computer.
Bazzite it's kind of your middle ground. It's up to date in 95% of all cases while support. Basically everything but it is immutable which makes it hard to tinker with or change things should you need to. Which is both a benefit and a downside. Does mean you're less likely to break your computer while you're learning on the flip side.
CachyOS is based on Arch the most up-to-date core that you can have for any computer. It's what steamos is based on in many other bleeding edge options. It has a focus on hardware support, gaming support, software support doing so as up-to-date as physically possible. If you need something to be supported, it's more likely to be supported here than anywhere else. While the old joke Arch likes to randomly break itself isn't untrue. It's also about 15 years out of date in how true it is. Modern Arch rarely ever breaks and when it does so will every other option barring debian almost exclusively.
Realistically speaking, when it comes to actually installing and using any of these options day-to-day, they're completely identical. Typically, if you have the ability to rub two brain cells together, read and have even a 5th grade level of critical thinking skills. If you're planning on gaming as your main use of your computer not work, not art, just gaming, just use cachyOS.
There is one last thing to be aware of when choosing any option. If it's based on Arch, it's going to have the best documentation in the most user-friendly possible way. Arch has the single. Best, wiki there is. Which for a new user can be a godsend if you actually know how to read.
It's really easy and quick to install a distro so you can just test them out. Get three you think you'd like, try em out, you'll probably like all of them, but you get to pick your fav.
There is no "best", just "best for you".
If gaming is your focus and you just want to go into Linux without research, I'd start with Ubuntu or Mint for a couple weeks. If you're liking it, check out some others, but don't be surprised if you go back to Ubuntu or Mint simply because you found them easy and working just fine. There's no wrong choice, just lots of good ones. It is all up to how you like it with no anxiety of making a bad choice 😁
Most good Linux releases (distros) have a Live CD/usb boot option. Do try that out! It doesn't mess with your existing setup and you can see how it feels.
FWIW, my daily driver is Fedora. It has a good balance of cutting edge and stability. Great gaming support and solid office productivity.
In my opinion this the unique milestone linux has to achive to be declared as a total winner vs windows, in the near future I would like to see non tech industries using linux instead of microsoft spyware.
There's a chance it will happen outside the USA.
Deciding to send to the landfill every PC sold after 2018 is a decision that they saw analyzing only numbers from big American corporations. "Anyway they lease the computers and have a refresh every 3-5 years"
But the rest of the world?
Here in Italy I still see people on Windows 7
When I traveled in southeast Asia I saw people using windows XP
Or Brazil, where the import taxes make a windows 11 compatible PC ultra expensive
Regular people and small businesses , especially outside the USA won't simply buy a new PC just because Microsoft and Intel needed the line to go up.
Even in the USA, although probably not at the rate of other countries, a lot of individuals (especially ones who don't have enough disposable income or are retirees) will also keep their system configs no matter what Microsoft says.
If we could get just one of the big tech suites to support it, I think that would help to finally break the dam and get some serious migration.
Mechanical/civil engineering software, music production, and digital art. Those are the big ones.
Had no major issues with Steam games so far on Linux mint, but I like owning my games, so I buy as much as I can from GOG, and Lutris and Heroic both have not given me exactly easy experiences :L
Heroic has gone pretty well for me. I've found a few exceptions that are solved by the same trick though. If you're running a game like The Thaumaturge, and it doesn't boot on the GOG version, take a look at SteamDB. SteamDB's entry for the game has a "depot" for VC 2019, VC 2022, and DirectX 2010. If you run winetricks on The Thaumaturge via Heroic and install those three dependencies, it works.
You own your games on steam just as much as you do on gog for like 99% of them. The majority of steam games have no form of drm.
Out of my 2000 ish steam games less then 50 actually use drm that ties them to steam and those are basically only triple A games that arnt on gog anyways.
Just remove the overlay and the VAST majority of games just work with out steam entirely.
Is there a tool you can use to check that against your own library? I never got the sense it was anywhere close to a majority of my library, but years ago, I was just cross checking my then-small library against a hand-maintained list.
I don't know of a bulk tool, but the Augmented Steam browser extension shows a DRM warning above the purchase button when you go on a game's Steam store page.
Better than nothing. Thanks! Steam's DRM has reared its head more often thanks to, ironically, the Steam Deck and playing on the go in places without internet access.
EDIT: Although, the results thus far are a little disappointing. I went to the store pages for a few known offenders and didn't see what I'd hope to see. Dragon Ball FighterZ, for instance, has no DRM mentioned by the extension, but that one was one of the most finicky for launching in offline mode. I brought it to a fighting game major on a mini PC, and if you didn't authenticate it online on the same boot, the game would refuse to launch. I'm guessing it's just the bog standard Steam DRM, and this extension seemingly only lists third party DRM.
That could be the case! Unfortunately I can't see any documentation about it on their website or github repo.
I've converted all my gaming to linux including vr and couldn't be happier! Even hardware works flawlessly these days with the exception of VR at times. I'm still struggling to get No Man's Sky to work on my quest 3 and linux VR and thats really the only thing I'm missing but it seems close to working just needs more fiddling.
Highly recommend Bazzite for people looking for a linux gaming distribution. It's immutable which can complicate some things but it's mostly plug and play and impossible to ruin due to immutable nature.
I've installed Bazzite myself. What do you mean by immutable? I ran into an issue trying to install VPN the other night. Something about the fs being read only. I'm still yet to look into it.
That's what immutable means in this case. You can't modify outside of your user directory, at least not directly, on immutable distros. The files outside of your
~home path are read-only. You can override that a few different ways, however. If your VPN has a flatpak, that's the easiest way to get it up and running. If you don't care about more space (minimal, if you only do it for your VPN) being used, you may be able to follow your VPN's fedora instructions, replacingdnfwithrpm-ostree. That will likely allow you to install as you can in other distros.Feel free to ask any questions if you have any, I'm happy to help.
Thanks mate. I'm very new to Linux and still have the 101's to learn. I'm going to see if I can find a CLI cheat sheet somewhere to memorise 😜 Oh and it was a run file that I downloaded for the VPN.
Ah, yeah, if your VPN only provides a run script you may need to try it in distrobox and see if it works there. It's probably trying to put libraries in immutable portions of the install. Good work figuring Linux out, I know it can be a bit daunting at first but you'll get the hang of it!
I spent 2 hours trying to work it out last night lol Eventually tried the method of downloading PIA config file and adding new VPN connection in settings and even that didn't work. It was stuck on need authorisation when connecting. I got tired and gave up, I'll go back to it again haha
Hmm, strange that the config file didn't work - that's actually how I do it (but with Mullvad and wireguard). No installation necessary if you can figure out why it's not working.
Yeah I don't think I'm going to worry about the app installation now. I'll look into why the config file didn't work. All I changed was my VPN login credentials.
It is a perfect baseline OS. It gets people connected to Steam faster and easier to Windows, which is the main access to most games.
Biggest obstacles to venturing out in Linux is the documentation for everything is not built or assuming normie users. The default assumption of competancy does not exist in Windows manuals.
But even so using Homebrew in Bazzite is no more complex than in Windows.
Been a while since I used windows but afaik docs are much worse on that side of things. At least on Linux you find some command or smt that could fix your issue, many windows problems are unsolvable and completely undocumented. There isn't even a centralized log system like journalctl on windows so every error is just an alert pop up that says nothing or just complete silence.
Cachy does everything bazzite does but better less complicated and more friendly to new users coming from windows.
Immutable distros just add endless headache for new users and are a pain in the ass to look things up for if you don't explicitly understand what your os is.
I use cachy on my laptop but I wouldn't call friendly an arch based distro that during setup asks the user "which of those 19 desktop environment do you want? Choose wisely only one"
It doesn't even have a gui to install new software (at least, I am not an expert, I chose hyprland and it didn't install that, and when I manually installed KDE Discover and the GNOME software manager, they only show and install flatpak apps - but because I'm not an expert I might have messed something up)
I disagree here. Sure it makes copy/paste computing a bit harder but it also prevents newbies from working themselves into a dysfunctional operating system which happens way more often than you'd think. People open a port or set some system variable for one thing and never set it back breaking everything else. With immutable system new users are forced into sustainable, reversible and transparent solutions.
The issue is that immutable linux is still pretty new so some mutable solutions aren't adapted in immutable ways yet but if you're just gaming you should never be on that side of the bleeding edge anyway.
While this is awesome we still need to have the same performance on Windows. Yes, some games run better through proton for some reason, but that's the minority. Hopefully, proton will not be needed for new games in the future and we get native builds like CS2.
There are still lots of reasons that stop people from jumping 100% into Linux. Gaming is less and less one of them.
True, but network effects are important to that.
There were huge numbers of people that wouldn't move to Linux because it didn't support all of their games. Now it does, and lots of people are moving.
There are lots of people that won't move to Linux because they have a random bit of hardware that's not supported, or a highly-specific bit of software they need to do their job that only runs on Windows. The manufacturers wouldn't support Linux because not enough people used it. Ah, but now we have all the gamers, so there are quite a lot of people using it.
Each domino that falls encourages the rest. Steam Linux users are more than 3x Steam macOS users, and we're not that far from overtaking it for general desktop usage. In some regions, that's already the case, and while the Windows 10 exodus can move to Linux easily, they'd need to buy new hardware fo use the Mac operating system. Not many companies would question providing Apple support; once Linux has a comparable share, it would be foolish to leave that out of consideration as well.
The problem is that he biggest networked games, I.e. those with the most players online, won't work on linux. Until fortnite or apex legends or LoL allow linux machines, people will be stuck on windows so they can still play with their friends. The same thing happens with most of the sports games except those players are almost entirely on console, and they are locked in there.
Tried switching to Mint yesterday, it's a struggle as the guide kinda failed to mention some detail that i have to google a bit, and the result is it fail to boot(not a bootable drive error). Might try again tonight or this weekend. Honestly i can't see mass adoption if it's this PITA to get it working(not plug and play like windows), unless it's provided by the manufacturer.
Edit: so one of a few struggle i have is the guide failed to mention i need to create an efi partition, i have to google that for the recommended size.
Another is the "primary" and "logical" partition. I have no idea which to chose so i put everything on primary, not sure if this cause the issue.
Then another one is what should i mount my "rest of the partition" with, i googled it and all the answer given is "you should probably read on what is all this about to get a sense what you should do" when i just want some simple answer to what should i do with that, like in Windows, C is for the OS, and you put everything on D or something like that. It's akin to asking me to read the whole physics chapter when i just wanna know what speed a horse could run.
Then the final nail in the coffin for the session is "not a bootable drive". Then i just plug in my windows ssd and go on with my day.
There was not an option to autopartition the drive you picked? Having to manually make efi partition sounds suspect to me.
The only thing you should need is to be able to identify what is a partition and what is a drive. Then pick the drive you want. Then the wizard should ask if you wanna wipe it and autopartition it.
Regarding the 'logical partition' stuff: Unless you are using a legacy bios system, rather than UEFI, you can change the drives partitioning scheme to GPT instead of MBR, before partitioning it. Then you should not be dealing with logical partitions any more. Then everything will just be called partition.
You can do that from inside windows or from a bootable linux stick.
Who knows why your drive is set to use MBR. Maybe your drive was used in an old computer or windows set it for compatability reasons.
Worth mentioning is that your uefi might have a legacy compatability setting sometimes called CSM. Sometimes called legacy bios. If it is turned on it may be expecting MBR disks. I would turn it off and only use it if really needed.
I tried installing it on a new ssd so to separate window and linux stuff(and also upgrade from a bunch of very old hdd), the guide recommend me to select "something else" and create the partition accordingly. I follow their official guide here
https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install.html
At the time i'm installing, i still have my old drive plugged in so in fear of messed thing up badly and had my whole data erased, i chose to manage the partition myself. Should i unplug everything other than the new drive, and have the installer do it automatically?
This is what I did. Made the installer mostly a bunch of hitting 'next'.
Plus, I don't trust Windows to not fuck up my Linux drive, so when I used to dual boot, I would only have one or the other in the computer. Though, haven't booted into the Windows drive for months now.
Yeah, my plan is to isolate both OS so it doesn't interact at all. Was thinking about wiping out the old drive after backing up after installing mint, doesn't seems to work out lol.
Yea! If in doubt, unplug every other drive. It's a good practice.
going with the 'something else' option is the option you wanna do if you have something special in mind. It kinda requires that you know what you are doing. It's not that hard to learn. But you might need a little patience to read up on to get confidence. Since you have an entire drive for the purpose, having the wizard do it for you is just easier. The windows installer have similar options.
I see, i'll have to try that tonight
Go ahead and unplug the drive - having it in doesn't really help so why not give yourself the peace of mind?
Yeah, i should totally done that.
Theres literally an option in the linux mint installer to just wipe the drive and install, and it creates all partitions for you, if you dont understand what a partition is. You literally dont have to do anything except click the bubble and choose next.
There's some information missing. What is saying "not bootable drive"? You should make a primary partition on the target drive.
Also, even if you don't have tpm, you may have some sort of secure boot preventing non-windows drives from booting.
When booting, after the bios screen it give me a black screen with that message, and refuse to boot.
How do i navigate this? My machine is build around 2012-14 so not sure what its in. I had someone build it for me so i'm not sure what's in it.
You will likely have to enter the bios/uefi setup with Del, F12 or something similar during boot and then search for the secure boot option and turn it off. Alternatively you may need to just properly set up the boot sequence and target the drive you want to actually boot from as the first boot option in the list.
Did you already install Linux Mint on a drive and your computer is now refusing to boot from it? Or are you actually at the step where you've made a bootable usb with the live iso and that's what is not booting?
Balena Etcher work pretty well on windows to create a bootable USB live iso.
This. I already tried setting the bios to boot from that particular drive and it gave me this message. Might have to try let the installer decide the partition like another comment suggested to rule it out, and try turning off secure boot if that fail.
Idk what was your problem, but mine was not reading on filesystems when the choice occured and not knowing how awesome BTRFS is with incrimental backups.
The windows installer is exactly as complicated and even uses the same termino of primary and logical etc.
You literally just click the next button like 7 times. Ignore everything and it sets it all up correctly by default.
Why would you screw with advanced options for your first go. You would have the exact same problems if you did that on windows.
This just sounds like you purposefully made it harder for yourself so you could bitch.
Do you have anything else to add? Because being unhelpful doesn't solve my issue, but to inflate your ego. Others tried, and i acknowledged my problem and will try other way to see if it helped. And you're here to bitch about my unsuccessful attempt.
I have a 3090 and heard nvidia gpus dont do very well for Linux gaming if anyone wants to quell my fears and get me off Windows
Good, gaming was the last thing keeping me on windows, once I find a distro that's compatible with my laptop hardware I'll move to Linux completely
Unless you have something truly obscure, I can confidently say any of them will do at this point. I recommend Pop!OS myself, others will disagree. Pop! has a download for AMD hardware and a separate for NVidia GPU-equipped machines. Try it out on a USB today! YOU CAN DO EEET!
I second this as well. It's my first distro and it's been a good experience.
Bazzite seems a famous option for gaming
Rip Microsoft
Some shitty games will hold out, but as long as the majority works better under Linux, I'm fine with it.
I'm trying to get into Linux atm. Working at the kinks and work flow. I will dual boot for the exception that I really want to play that doesn't run on Linux.
Be careful, windows can fuck up some dual boot setups and make the Linux side worse
Strangely enough, "Windows always fucking up my dual boot setup" is what caused me to drop Windows for good about a decade ago. And Linux gaming has come on absolutely leaps and bounds since then.
I don't have much of a choice. I don't have another system to work on and I'm not ready for Linux to be daily driver yet. I've installed on a separate SSD.
Edit: Sorry, I just saw and remembered what I wrote originally lol nevermind... I will keep that in mind going forward. Thanks.
Thankfully that should prevent most issues of Windows fucking up dual-booting
If you are able to i think ensuring they're installed on different drivers alleviates most issues
I love to hear it, but only about 70% of mine work on Linux, so I'm stuck with a dual boot. 99% Linux is better than no Linux, at least.
Have you tried wine bottles? I had real problems getting anything to work right till I found that app.
Yeah, I've tried all of the compatibility programs.
Some will run using those, but in a very, very sluggish way.
Okay, but how far back does this go? It can’t really be that all games in existence that ran on Windows is being counted. Is it?
The chart is based on ProtonDB, which covers all Steam games.
When you go far enough back less games work on windows then Linux just because you need emulation and compatibility software anyways for both of them.
And they tend to be better support on Linux.
Which is always a fun time.
...Wine Is Not an Emulator
First paragraph indicates that it's pulling from ProtonDB's list of games:
You completely glossed over the question he was asking.
90% of Windows games.....but, from how far back? Are we talking 1988 with Windows 1.0? Are we talking 1995 onwards with Windows 95? Are we talking modern Windows with Windows 10 onwards? Are we strictly talking Windows 11?
There are a lot of logical jumping off points for where you can start measuring, each with a logical arguement with why you start there, but also with multiple logical arguements for why thats a bad idea.
There's a missing implied knowledge they forgot to mention: ProtonDB tracks games on Steam. So it's 90% of windows games available on Steam (without a native Linux build)
Strangely, the search page for ProtonDB shows the 'proton rating' for games which have a 'native but abandoned / broken' native Linux build, whereas the actual page for the game just shows 'native' and I can't see the button to show the rest of the information. I'm sure it used to be there; they've started hiding a lot of stuff in favour of making the 'steam deck' results more prominent. But in some cases, 'proton rating even with a native Linux build' is quite important.
eg. Dawn of War 2 Chaos Rising.
Mark of the Ninja: Remastered:
Yeah and it's also bizarre that these companies released a native version, then... not test it? Why even bother?
It's great that the number of games playable on Linux is rising. But the lack of mods is stopping me from switching. I tried to play Civilization 6 and it's hard to play it without many quality of life improvement mods.
You can mod games on Linux though, some just need a bit of fiddling, just look it up. Never tried Civ 6 but people say it's possible.
It’s definitely doable but I won’t pretend it’s a pleasant process compared to what people are used to with Windows modding, and Wine overhead can mean a large unoptimised mess of Stardew Valley/Rimworld/Skyrim mods are going to perform worse.
Let's see some benchmarks.
need some support from anti-cheat
I use a quest 2 headset through my desktop via desktop streamer into steam VR into VRchat. Would this all work on linux? it's already a pain on windows.
Lots of off topic comment threads so I don't mind adding my own: going to make the Linux dive here soon and just had a general question on VR. I recently got a mostlySteam setup (sensors / controllers) with a Vive Pro 2 headset. Overall is VR supported? Is it limited to certain headsets? I was thinking of getting a Bigscreen Beyond 2, if that makes a difference. Any info appreciated.
A bit sceptical of this number. Most popular games have some form of anti cheat which the game not run on Linux. Some other games sometimes have weird bugs that do not occur on windows. - source: I am on Linux 😩
When you are talking about "popular" games, you mean service games that are often some kind of multiplayer games. Each of them binds a lot of players and is big and popular, indeed. But these are only a few compared to the amount of games that have been released in the past decade. Let alone released games from 2024 that are listed on imdb.com are 1551 Imdb.com
So yes, I can imagine 90% is right since the most games are no service games and do not require some shitty kernel level anti cheat.
For bugs: I have no idea since I only use linux for non-gaming tasks.
Some games with Kernel Level Anticheat do work on Linux, because the KLA doesn't actually check if it has access. Drag can imagine that the next generation technology of Linux gaming will be add-ons to WINE that lie to KLAs and tell them they have access. Like how yt-dlp lies to youtube and says it's a browser.
Corporations will claim using these programs violates terms of service and is grounds for a ban. Players will respond to the bans by submitting refund requests for games they got banned from. And if we're lucky, Valve will respond to the refund requests by demanding corporations support Linux in some form, whether it be removing the KLA or making it work on Linux.
Another possibility is, microsoft drops access to kernel level. This would solve all these problems at once. No more cheats on kernel level, no more anticheat on kernel level are needed.
Unfortunately I think Microsoft will avoid doing so, because it would remove one of the last barriers to switch to linux.
This is by amount of games, not by player count. Most games (including non-popular ones) are not live service multiplayer games but small indie titles that do not try to break Linux compatibility on purpose. So yes, 90% sounds plausible.
The thing is I swapped, whenever I start using something and I dont want it to become popular because everything somehow gets ruined when it gets popular, it ends up getting popular. Im usually a late "early" adopter.
Basically if I stopped being put off by it and felt I wanted to switch, I think it may be viable for many more ppl in a year or two, or already, I swapped like almost a year ago, I typically don't like stuff til it feels intuitive, instantly good.
I am immediately skeptical of the 90% claim. There are a lot of Windows games, going back decades! Not even 90% of those work on Windows, let alone Linux!
Actually, once you go far enough into the past, Linux has better support for legacy Windows software than modern Windows does. The claim might be true if they're counting a lot of shovelware.
A lot of those older games that don't run on Windows DO run on Linux now.
And many games haven't been assessed either. I plugged my Steam account into ProtonDB, and apparently 51% of my games can be made to run perfectly on Linux, 10% are various levels of broken, but the remaining 39% has no information. I guess it's because I have many indie games in my library.
Not all games are created equally.
Can confirm the viable gaming. Some need fairly annoying workarounds that require some regular fiddling to adjust (looking at you EA/Origin with your silly launcher), but in the end it’s definitely playable.
Does anyone know if it's possible to run VR games on Linux? I'd love t ditch Windows for the gaming pc....
I can't wait to be banned for playing online from linux
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Has support for DP 2.1 or HDR in Wayland made any improvements yet? I tried Pop_OS and had lots of issues with this
https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules/issues/816
I’ve been following this GitHub issue waiting for this change to make it into the next nvidia driver release but still suspect this won’t address HDR. Obviously first world problems for high end hardware but it’s one of the last pieces holding me back from trying Linux on my desktop
HDR works on KDE and GNOME desktop environments. KDE is currently the better choice if HDR support is important.
As for software:
Can't speak for DP 2.1 since I have an AMD GPU and no hardware that uses DP 2.1 (yet).
Appreciate the info! I had been trying out the new Cosmic DE that ships with pop os and I’m guessing that’s still lacking HDR but did feel very performant. I’ll have to see if switching is worth the trade off once they nvidia driver update gets released
Linux gaming is good enough that I would consider not getting the Playstation 6 if I didn’t have kids and didn’t want to watch basketball through the nba league pass.
I’m trying to get my kids to play with the Steam Deck, but it’s honestly still not as good as a Playstation for such a use.
Still it’s going the right way.
I tried Solus back in 2018 with Wine. The only game that didn't work properly was Mass Effect Andromeda (if memory serves correctly); it kept crashing to the desktop anywhere between a few minutes in to 2 hours.
I didn't want to have to do debugging both at work and outside of work, so I switched back to Windows, and it worked fine after that.
I would be willing to try again maybe, if I can find the will and time over the weekend to setup a hybrid Linux and Windows implementation on my PC - does anyone have any good recommendations?
This is great but my MSI laptop wasn't very compatible with Linux.
Like how? You may need some proprietary firmwares.
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That's great and all but the two things that hold me back from going 100% Linux are kernel-level anticheat, and lack of graphics card acceleration in virtual environments. Once we have those I'll be happy.
Visual Basic added to Libre Office would be really nice too, but I get that it's not particularly feasible.
Not having Malware Anti-Cheat support is a good thing. Hopefully it will continue this way until people realize that it's not worth giving shitty companies like EA access to your online banking passwords just to pretend to shoot 11-year-olds in the head.
Agreed. I should have said letting the anticheat THINK it has kernel access, the same way WINE makes Windows programs think they're on a Windows machine. I know this is an oversimplification and frankly I don't even know what kernel-level looks like, but there has got to be a workaround that doesn't drain resources too much.
Malware Anticheat can even tell if it's running in a VM explicitly configured to look like real hardware, so it's probably not trivial at all to accomplish this. Like someone else said in another comment chain, the ideal solution is Microsoft patching the intentional security flaw that allows kernel-level access at all. No kernel-level cheats, no kernel-level anticheats, no incompatibility. But of course it's against their monopolistic interests to do so even if it benefits everybody else but them.
Shut your mouth about VB.... 😁
Why? I have written a lot of custom macros and created forms to assist filling data fields in large spreadsheets. I have written macros that can open a CSV, comb through the contents and pick out the data I need to fill workbooks.
I'm not saying I'm especially tied to VB itself, I actually find it to be a pretty stupid language, but I do miss being able to write my own functions and effectly use Excel as a pre built GUI for whatever I'm trying to do. If there's an alternative in Libre Office that I'm missing please point it out.
LibreOffice supports python, JavaScript, and beanshell, as well as LibreOffice basic. The latter is similar to VBA and some VB scripts can even run unmodified.
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/guide/scripting.html
Oh cool. Thanks, I'll check it out.