LMAO! Taking notes from Lyndon Johnson I see! (For those not in the know, the US President would call people into the Oval Office crapper and talk to them while taking a dump.)
That almost brings it over the line, but no, I think it's serious. Only a heroic CEO could have the vision to give people time off. It's nothing like what unions have been clamoring to do for over a century.
I had a boss like this once! Fucker pushed for overtime every night, argued against taking vacation, and would bitch people out for taking sick days, calling anyone who took time off lazy.
Turned out he fucking despised his wife, but didn't want to go through the "shame of divorce"(his words, after she kicked off the divorce).
I’ve definitely noticed a correlation of people “married to the job” because they don’t like the person they’re legally married to at home. It seemed to lead to a spike in divorces when the lockdowns hit during COVID.
Or they dislike someone else in the home. I definitely had people who loved their spouse, but hated actually having to take care of their kids, so they took tons of OT in order to minimize interacting with them at all.
I'm unemployed and my wife works from home 3 days a week. Seems like most weeks she makes an excuse to her boss to work at home the remaining days. I need my alone time, and I made that clear very early in our courtship. Just got in a blowout fight last week over it. My fault as I held my resentment in and blew, but I can't broach the issue without her feeling rejected. I know because I've tried in the past.
I was in a similar situation at my first job, except my boss didn't have a wife and instead lived right across the street from the office. He would say things like "We don't have a clock-in and clock-out attitude here". Or one time he kicked off a project where he divided up groups of people and wanted them to start brainstorming ideas for an app we could implement with our product. Except he specifically said we couldn't work on it during work hours. So guess what, nobody worked on it and Mr boss man was very disappointed in all of us. I'm so glad I don't work there anymore.
I think there was a company (might have been Virgin?) that did unlimited holiday, but the issue was that people ended up feeling ashamed for taking holiday and so basically ended up taking less than if they were given 25 days holiday.
My last contract had that and the first year I barely used 2 weeks. My regional manager started giving us heads up during contract negotiation time that we might not get it. Ended up taking 3 weeks that he approved and felt so good to actually use the benefits that were promised. He was going to retire soon anyways, so he was approving left and right.
Ended up get hired back at the same place under a different company, and now our PTO and vacation is horseshit
How is it "unlimited" if a manager has to approve? They might as well change the description from "unlimited vacation" to "anything from 0 to 365 days a year, whatever your boss (we) says flies."
This is why my previous employer moved to "unlimited" vacation.
They originally had a PTO-with-rollover plan until one day the CTO went to the president and said, "I have enough vacation days banked to take off October 1 to December 31."
They removed the rollover first, but then everyone wanted the last two weeks of the year off. There was never "a good time" to use one's PTO in other parts of the year and nobody wanted to lose their vacation days. And of course management look like jerks if they "steal" everyone's time off.
Now, it's "unlimited" (pending management approval), so nobody is "losing" anything when management says no to those two weeks as well. You might get a couple of days here and there, but it's difficult to get a whole week and nearly impossible to get two consecutive weeks.
Just one of the many reasons why I no longer work there.
Three week vacations are not uncommon since we have set vacations days and people actually use them. The company actually thinks it’s a liability to have too much vacation banked and were offered a 2 for 3 deal during Covid.
I generally agree with you but my last two jobs transitioned to unlimited while I was there and the amount of time I took off was not impacted at either. Both of these jobs were client focused billable time types of jobs so I do think that has something to do with it, as long as I'm hitting my billable targets and contribution goals they don't care how much time I have off really. I once took December off at the end of a super busy year.
My company is pretty lax, where I live you're entitled to 20 days paid leave by law but a contractor in my team had unlimited leave and made good use of it, she would travel pretty frequently, but she would still meet all her deadlines so management were fine with it
"I'm an insufferable rich cunt who doesn't do much at work, I have enough money to pay other people to do everything for me in the rest of my life, so I spend my free time persuing any hobby or interest I want, I'm also very empty inside so spend most of my time working."
We get less than that. And we got a LOT of small business owners who are pissed that they have to honor that. And like the meme, showcase it like it was a PRIVILEGE for working there.
This is all dependent on where you live. Many states don’t have any requirements. If the state focuses on its at-will status, you can bet leave or possibly even breaks is not a guarantee.
Yeah, time off varies quite a bit my company, though most seem to give at least 2 weeks of leave, often with no distinction between sick leave and vacation. I get 3 weeks + 2 days (and 11 fixed holidays), and I'm about to get 4 weeks + 2 days, and that's considered "good" by American standards.
American here. Starting January 1st i will be getting 2 weeks paid vacation each year plus major holidays. That's more paid vacation time than i have ever had in 10 years of working.
Even when i had a union job, you wouldn't get paid vacation until after 1 year on the job, and it had to be taken during either the 4th of July shutdown, or the Christmas shut down. Then after 3 years you would get a second week paid vacation that you had to use during the other shutdown. After 5 years you got a third week that could be used whenever. This is why i always stand with French protestors because the moment you give corporations an inch they demand a mile.
so much envy. here in california, you get three sick days. that's it. no vacation, no holidays. i don't think i've ever had a job willingly give me more, though i know such jobs do exist.
Your salary has been made available in your corporate account, but why would you want to use it all and deprive your employer of the extra security a cash reserve brings? Work well done should be its own reward after all. A shareholder cries every time you make a withdrawal.
Even if you love doing something, you'll eventually want a break. What this guy is describing is addiction. Work addiction is one of many types of addiction that isn't even seen as such because while it can destroy everything else in your life, it likely won't stop you from being financially successful and that's the only measure of success anyone actually gives a fuck about, it seems.
You can't be financially successful if destroying everything else left you with mental health issues that prevent you from working. A work addict can keep on for a while but they'll crash.
After being America pilled I moved to China and had a British roommate. My mind was blown when he told me his mom took paid vacation days to tidy the house. I would NEVER dream of using the 14 days of vacation I had in the USA to clean the fucking house. Just IMAGINE having so much time off that you'd even consider using some to clean the house. It seemed awesome to me.
USA needs some worker rights laws(apart from free healthcare, free education and others), in normal countries you'll be in trouble if you somehow didn't take your 28 days(more in some) of vacation, or were spotted at work in those days.
in normal countries you'll be in trouble if you somehow didn't take your [leave]
I don't know how it works where you are, in my workplace if you don't take enough leave you need to make an agreement with your manager to take some leave soon; if you fail to make an agreement or the agreement is too far in the future you are put on leave.
I don't count that as being in trouble, it's about giving the worker the power to say "if you won't approve my leave, the system will force leave and you'll have no choice of when"
This is not a good take. It opens for an implicit expectation from your employer that you should not use your vacation. If you get passed over for promotion because you took out vacation it is not really a choice, is it?
You sound like a manager, looking to control how people handle their vacation time. "Workers get punished for taking vacation" and "workers get punished for not taking vacation" are two sides of the same coin. Personally I'm in favor of "workers can do whatever they want with their PTO without fear of repurcussion".
It's not about punishment. If time off is optional than it's a near guarantee that workers will be punished in some way for taking it. At a minimum bosses should have to pay out for unused time off, even though that that will certainly lead to some bosses penalizing those workers.
I have no desire to work on vacation. I have no desire to work at all, I only do it because i.enjoy having food and a place to live. But I don't believe in punishing people for victimless crimes. They're not hurting anyone but themselves by letting their PTO expire, leave them alone.
Enjoy it! I was lucky to have 10+ years at a job I loved. Great coworkers, awesome boss, reasonable expectations.
Then the VP left. Within two years everything went to complete shit (except the coworkers although they either left or retreated into being bots at work)
I've seen lots and lots of discussions on whether people like or not working, and it always sums up to people giving different meanings to the word "work". When it comes to do things as a hobby, for a cause, or for fulfilling any objective we have, most people will say that they enjoy it, but when it comes to serving someone else on a schedule, just to afford to stay alive, I've never seen anyone say that they enjoy it.
Edit: some combination of words from my comment and the general theme made me somehow think about the music stayin' alive, and I can't get it out of my head anymore!
I have an idea! Co-operatives, taxed automation, total freedom! Fuck work! Fuck all work! Most of us had enough of it for a lifetime. Even if you believe in working hard and earning your keep, the real issue is, you don't actually get to enjoy much of the results! You waste time you could have spent helping others, getting fit, developing your skillsets and hobbies! Living life! Experiencing things!
I've always thought the idea of a neighborhood working together would do wonders. "John down the street loves cars so if u need a fix go see him, oh and this weekend we're all helping roof his house cuz he helps us with cars and Hank across the street is gonna grill burgers for us" etc etc stuff like that.
I wish I could live in a village. That sounds fucking fantastic. I want to know what the lady five houses down is doing. I want them to know what I'm doing.
The downsides are, that you are always dependant on a car to go anywhere. Public transit is usually non existent or unusable (at least if you value your time). Theres usually also not that much to do on the weekends. No going in a club because a band you like plays there. If you want to be able you have to drive their or have someone to drive you if you dont want to stay sober. The citizens of rural areas are usually more on the conservative side, so better not ask them about their views on immigrants. However it always depends on the region how bad it really is.
The upsides are, that you know people. You regularly see people, if you need help with something you can simply ask your neighbours, friends etc. Also since its a bit more common for people in rural areas to do manual labour this means, that you will know quite a lot of people that actually know how to do stuff. One massive upside is, that villages tend to be a bit more relaxed and more quiet in general. So this means, that after like 7pm its quite unusual to hear any or that much noise. However if someone is louder (e.g. they're having a party) dont be a bitch and let them have fun. In return you can have fun too and dont get problems. However this highly depends on where you live. Especially older people sometimes tend to be quite bitchy and call the cops at you for being to loud. But again, it depends. If you decide to actually invest your time, es example by joining one or more clubs, you too get the chance to become part of the village. This is usually one of the few possible ways of actually integrating into a village and if you dont do this, you will be quite lonely.
And then theres stuff that's an upside and a downside at the same time. Mainly it is, that when you know what everyone else has been up to everyone else knows what you have been up to. So better keep an eye on what you tell, because you can be sure that it will spread quite quickly and people love to make up weird shit, that doesn't even have to be based on some form of reality. Trust me, this comes from someone who has heard the most bullshit imaginable told about my family.
So in short, its a quite fun thing but its not something for everyone. Especially the bad infrastructure is something that makes living in a village unattractive (this includes me, which is why I Am quite happy to live in a small town where I have quite a lot of aspects of the usual village live, but with more progressive people and actually functioning public transport).
the thing is to do these things, you need people who feel that way. good luck finding 100+ people in one place in the US who would be willing to live that way. it might be easier to flee to south america and do that there. fits better into the vibe of the country.
Amateurs! Good employees immediately deposit 2/3rds of their monthly income into their landlord's account and try to hold on to the final 3rd for dear life for a full month, only to fail two weeks in.
He's not wrong, IF companies were worker controlled by law. Like a cooperative. Workers would enjoy their work more and would want to work more if they had agency. We are supposed to be a democracy, so why don't get workers the right to vote on who their managers are, what to do with the profits (after paying back loans) and how many working hours there should be?
Imagine if you'd mandate that even shitshows like fox news were suddenly worker controlled instead of by incorporated demons of greed. Workers generally want to create a good product and make customers happy, and in the case of news agencies they'd want to inform their readers well.
Meh, there's no world where people are going to actually enjoy doing tedious, repetitive tasks even if they fully own their surplus labor. This was always my beef with the antiwork subreddit. "Socialism is when nobody digs ditches."
There will always be shitty jobs until we fully automate society. The guy doing hard labor in the hot sun is always going to resent the guy working in AC even if they both own their surplus labor. This is why socialism is still just harm reduction on the path to achieving a post scarcity, post labor society.
The thing is that capitalism is incredibly INEFFICIENT in providing value to society. In a planned economy you could (theoretically) have rational though to maximize benefit for all - in capitalism it's just grow grow grow. That is why we're digging so many superfluous ditches. How many roads, how many ditches could be spared if we just build less idiotic sprawling suburbs? If we had a rational, democratic and semi-planned economy?
There is this study that we'd only need 30% of the energy and resources we currently use to provide decent standards of living for every single person on earth.
Of course you're right, just "doing socialism" won't get us there easily either.
If the guy in the sun is working from sunrise to sunset and can barely get by, let alone enjoy anything outside of work, and the guy in the ac is making bank while barely working and have tons of leasure, of course there gonna be resentment.
But, give the the people who shovel shit and fix things and all that blue collar jobs 300k a year by working 3-4 times a week for 5-6 hrs and you you'll see a line to get them jobs.
A once buddy of mine wouldn't stand sitting in a office all day, no matter what you paid him. He worked his ass off as a gardner for 20+years at his on business while making a lot of money(more than I do working an office job) and he actually really enjoys working in the sun.
I love my field, I hate the majority of jobs in my field because while tech can do many cool and wonderful things and could be solving many more issue, most companies are busy doing what one percenters want and pushing for the least effort solutions and everything is always a cram. No breathing space, no time to enjoy the product and reflect on what to do next. Just cram, enshittify, add tracking, automate away your peers, do more with less people so we can fire more people.
I'm so sick of the efficiency rat race that capitalist investors demand.
The really weird thing at that is that the efficiency that is demanded from the lower levels is squandered by the higher ones.
I'm working for a large corporation, and while I'm doing my job quite well (at least I think am), my work is useless. On the one hand, management constantly pivots. Today feature X is super important. Let's invest multiple millions and crunch time to get this done as fast as possible. It's almost done now, so now it turns out it's really not important any more. Shelve it for a few months or years and do something else instead that's super important until we don't care about it any more.
But not only is the work useless because "agile means upper management can change their mind twice daily", but the thing I'm working on is a marketing app that nobody wants anyway. People just use it because they get some small discounts, but really nobody has an actual benefit of the app itself.
You could probably close down the whole marketing department of the corporation and nobody would notice an actual difference.
The same holds true for most corporate jobs. It's so much politics and so much thinking firmly inside my own little drawer that there's really no point to all of that.
And with all of that waste happening, it's really ridiculous that anyone in upper management even dares to utter the term "efficiency", let alone pressures employees into anything for the purpose of efficiency.
I could tell it was satire because of his title, "probably the weirdest CEO of a recruit", but it's one of those cases where you just know a significant amount of bosses looks at that and sincerely agree
This is precisely why "unlimited" PTO is a fucking scam. When it's a set amount in writing as part of your compensation package, they're literally committing a crime if they never let you take it. If it's more nebulously worded, it's easier to blame the demands of the job, as though those aren't defined by the same people jerking you around on benefits. And they have proven time and time again that they will take everything from you if given the chance.
While you are correct, the actual reason this started is much simpler.
CA has a law that all unused vacation must be paid out at separation. All the silicon valley CEOs loophole this law by claiming unlimited PTO, therefore no payout because nothing is accrued.
In my country, if you offer unlimited PTO, and there's seperation, you will have to pay out what was contracted: Unlimited PTO. I guess, in most cases that would be interpreted as 365 days a year
Hence, nobody is dumb enough to offer unlimited PTO.
That depends on the local laws in place. For example, under the Working Time Regulations 1998 (in the UK), the firm is legally required to ensure all workers take their statutory days off. "Unlimited PTO" doesn't mean anything because it's a legal requirement that the workers take those days. You have a bit of say on when the worker takes those days, but you risk the HMRC coming after you if your workers don't take their holiday.
Soooo no, in some countries Unlimited PTO is a bit less of a scam, because you still get your statutory holiday anyway, so anything after that is a bonus.
There was once a QA tester in my last job that had to be taken aside by a manager at the end of the year and told "You haven't been taking any leave this year. You will use those days you've accrued before the end of the year or both you and I are in big trouble. This is not a request, you are going on holiday!"
Oh simple answer Mr. Super CEO; because no matter how you dress it up, the bottom line is NO, people do NOT love their jobs. Shockingly, people do not derive joy from using their effort to benefit someone else, in this case YOU.
Look Mr "Super CEO" you're loving your job because you had an idea, took the risk, and through a mixture of good execution and luck-based-timing and/or access to external financial help succeeded.
Congratulations, you're one of the lucky few who managed to earn good money from their obsession. Seriously well done.
Your employees are not that. They're there to collect a salary and paid time off in exchange for their labour under the veiled threat of financial (and possibly medical) ruin if they don't.
The paid time off is necessary so they don't go mad from sacrificing a third of their life doing unfulfilling tasks 80% of the time (if they're lucky).
"Well if they aren't as obsessed as I am about this job, why don't they leave and start their own thing?"
Because:
Most people aren't passionate about things that could produce a livable wage if they did that full-time and therefore don't live to work, but work to live.
Even if they could turn a passion into a start-up business or self-employment, there's a myriad of other factors, e.g. risk appetite, financial position, people depending on them, previous traumatic experiences with low or zero-income, that inhibit them from taking on a massive gamble like this.
The current capitalism based economy would be unable to support everyone acting as basically an independent contractor offering goods and services. Organisations need to be formed to carry out more complex products and/or services. That's even without considering necessary public sector roles.
Get your head out of your reality-shielding arse and stop inhaling your own hot gasses.
As much as I love my job, I love doing jack fucking shit nothing even more. Damn skippy I'm using all my vacation hours (especially since I now know that they expire when the year flips and I don't get to just accumulate them for when I actually want to use them).
The thing is, I actually do like my job, but I like doing other things too. If I didn't have to work, I would probably do something like what I do at work anyway, just not as much of it (probably like 2 hours/day?).
That said, I absolutely take all of my time off. Sometimes I do work-like things on my leave (personal projects), but I will take all of my time off.
Loved my job before last. Some mornings I'd pop out of bed with a new idea I wanted to try, couldn't wait to get to the office. Some nights I'd work on my home lab, testing ideas for work and learning for my own benefit.
But you damned straight I took my PTO. In fact, one of the two reasons I quit was being denied a single day of PTO. First time they had shot me down, unwise as I was the entire IT department.
i once did my work properly and went over and beyond in my care to do my job right. It was meant as a benefit but now my boss sees my effort as a right.
I view it kinda differently because that public post is still there (with the creators consent), and you can naturally run into it if you're a member or interacting with that group. However, this is a re-post and specifically a group targeting them as negative which can lead to brigading.
I definitely understand public is public, I think it's more of an ethics/moral choice where anyone wanting to harass the user would have to take extra steps since the information wasn't provided by this platform.
I’d say in this environment, it’s no longer satire. Even the Onion is having trouble with articles because of how bad it is. Look at the responses and you’ll see people are encountering this exact issue in a very non-satirical way. Hell, in the US, you’re lucky to get 10 days off, let alone 28, and in some cases that’s not even mandated.
I hate that we are in a timeline that I can't be absolutely sure that this is satire anymore.
It is satire
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/alex-dick-19844012_i-thought-i-was-being-generous-i-gave-staff-activity-7378685544299532288-i-dr
Sure is! The last photo is hilarious actually
I legitimately could not tell
It absolutely is. This was his next post
LMAO! Taking notes from Lyndon Johnson I see! (For those not in the know, the US President would call people into the Oval Office crapper and talk to them while taking a dump.)
I used to do that with a professor at the urinals. Somehow, with all of our conversations, it just made the flow better.
You used to shit in the urinal? That is a power move.
I love that there was a person who really did this, and of course they were also president of the United States.
Humanity is not yet lost 🙏
I’m reasonably sure it’s not?
I had a manager that said these things. These people are ghouls.
That almost brings it over the line, but no, I think it's serious. Only a heroic CEO could have the vision to give people time off. It's nothing like what unions have been clamoring to do for over a century.
It definitely brings it over the line, and it's absolutely satire.
I can no longer tell which ones are real and which are satire.
Poe's law hits hard
If that's linkedin he's 100% serious. Otherwise, 50-50.
So fucking glad I straight up deleted my linkedin shit.
There is a comedian that posts pure gold to LI, but yeah, this one seems legit.
I think that's more of a Succons razor situation
If something could be a Deez Nuts joke, then it probably is?
Damn ya caught me
I had my suspicions, after a Google search turned up nothing lol
I had a boss like this once! Fucker pushed for overtime every night, argued against taking vacation, and would bitch people out for taking sick days, calling anyone who took time off lazy.
Turned out he fucking despised his wife, but didn't want to go through the "shame of divorce"(his words, after she kicked off the divorce).
Hope that dude stubs his toes every morning.
I’ve definitely noticed a correlation of people “married to the job” because they don’t like the person they’re legally married to at home. It seemed to lead to a spike in divorces when the lockdowns hit during COVID.
Or they dislike someone else in the home. I definitely had people who loved their spouse, but hated actually having to take care of their kids, so they took tons of OT in order to minimize interacting with them at all.
This is so sad.
I'm unemployed and my wife works from home 3 days a week. Seems like most weeks she makes an excuse to her boss to work at home the remaining days. I need my alone time, and I made that clear very early in our courtship. Just got in a blowout fight last week over it. My fault as I held my resentment in and blew, but I can't broach the issue without her feeling rejected. I know because I've tried in the past.
I was in a similar situation at my first job, except my boss didn't have a wife and instead lived right across the street from the office. He would say things like "We don't have a clock-in and clock-out attitude here". Or one time he kicked off a project where he divided up groups of people and wanted them to start brainstorming ideas for an app we could implement with our product. Except he specifically said we couldn't work on it during work hours. So guess what, nobody worked on it and Mr boss man was very disappointed in all of us. I'm so glad I don't work there anymore.
The places to watch out for are the ones who have “unlimited” vacation time. That actually means “ooh, now’s really not a good time…”
I think there was a company (might have been Virgin?) that did unlimited holiday, but the issue was that people ended up feeling ashamed for taking holiday and so basically ended up taking less than if they were given 25 days holiday.
We have unlimited time off and they have started adding more company vacation days because they're worried we aren't taking enough time off.
Yep, exactly
My last contract had that and the first year I barely used 2 weeks. My regional manager started giving us heads up during contract negotiation time that we might not get it. Ended up taking 3 weeks that he approved and felt so good to actually use the benefits that were promised. He was going to retire soon anyways, so he was approving left and right.
Ended up get hired back at the same place under a different company, and now our PTO and vacation is horseshit
How is it "unlimited" if a manager has to approve? They might as well change the description from "unlimited vacation" to "anything from 0 to 365 days a year, whatever your boss (we) says flies."
It’s an excuse to limit how much vacation you can take and they don’t have to pay it out if you leave.
This is why my previous employer moved to "unlimited" vacation.
They originally had a PTO-with-rollover plan until one day the CTO went to the president and said, "I have enough vacation days banked to take off October 1 to December 31."
They removed the rollover first, but then everyone wanted the last two weeks of the year off. There was never "a good time" to use one's PTO in other parts of the year and nobody wanted to lose their vacation days. And of course management look like jerks if they "steal" everyone's time off.
Now, it's "unlimited" (pending management approval), so nobody is "losing" anything when management says no to those two weeks as well. You might get a couple of days here and there, but it's difficult to get a whole week and nearly impossible to get two consecutive weeks.
Just one of the many reasons why I no longer work there.
Three week vacations are not uncommon since we have set vacations days and people actually use them. The company actually thinks it’s a liability to have too much vacation banked and were offered a 2 for 3 deal during Covid.
I really hope you mean 'spend 2 days banked and get 3 off' and not the other way around........
Yes that’s what I meant. It might have been 3 for 4.
Its not and I learned that fast. At least I got to have some fun at the end
I generally agree with you but my last two jobs transitioned to unlimited while I was there and the amount of time I took off was not impacted at either. Both of these jobs were client focused billable time types of jobs so I do think that has something to do with it, as long as I'm hitting my billable targets and contribution goals they don't care how much time I have off really. I once took December off at the end of a super busy year.
If you set a minimum vacation time, it's not bad. But most places don't do that, because they know you'll take less time if they say unlimited.
My company is pretty lax, where I live you're entitled to 20 days paid leave by law but a contractor in my team had unlimited leave and made good use of it, she would travel pretty frequently, but she would still meet all her deadlines so management were fine with it
Even though I live what I do, getting paid is literally the only reason I go to work. If they did not pay me, I would not go.
I like my job. If I wasn't getting paid, I'd still be doing it. Just not for them.
Exactly this. I have several hobby projects that use the same skill set as my job, because I enjoy doing it.
I would quit my job on the spot and spend much more time on my other projects if I didn't need the money.
The same kind of thinking that gets you to people needing the threat of burning in a pit for eternity to behave ethically.
The difference between a hobby and a job is that with a hobby you can stop whenever you want.
"I offered my employees a salary, they then expected the full salary paid out. Miserable, ungrateful wretches."
We offered the CEO $550 million as a benefit. A gesture. A show of vision only a Super Board can have.
Instead, they treat it like a right. Like pay is something they're owed.
Some cash those checks. Some have it direct deposited. Different labels, same result, money leaves the company.
And that's when it hit me. If you really enjoy your job, why would you ever want to be paid for it?
Or am I the only one who sees it this way?
"I'm an insufferable rich cunt who doesn't do much at work, I have enough money to pay other people to do everything for me in the rest of my life, so I spend my free time persuing any hobby or interest I want, I'm also very empty inside so spend most of my time working."
FIFY. Those meetings aren't gonna conduct themselves, you know!
You get 28 days plus bank holidays by law though
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights
Not plus unfortunately as they can include the bank holidays in your statutory 28 days
Ah yeah, I should have known that having worked hospitality most of my life lol
American here.
We get less than that. And we got a LOT of small business owners who are pissed that they have to honor that. And like the meme, showcase it like it was a PRIVILEGE for working there.
This is all dependent on where you live. Many states don’t have any requirements. If the state focuses on its at-will status, you can bet leave or possibly even breaks is not a guarantee.
Yeah, time off varies quite a bit my company, though most seem to give at least 2 weeks of leave, often with no distinction between sick leave and vacation. I get 3 weeks + 2 days (and 11 fixed holidays), and I'm about to get 4 weeks + 2 days, and that's considered "good" by American standards.
American here. Starting January 1st i will be getting 2 weeks paid vacation each year plus major holidays. That's more paid vacation time than i have ever had in 10 years of working.
My last job gave me so much PTO I never bothered learning how it accrued. I'd often take 3 Fridays off a month.
My dad was a VP in an engineering firm (1980s). He got two weeks a year, that's it.
"Paid vacation time" sounds like a idyllic fever dream to me. And you guessed it. I'm also American
Even when i had a union job, you wouldn't get paid vacation until after 1 year on the job, and it had to be taken during either the 4th of July shutdown, or the Christmas shut down. Then after 3 years you would get a second week paid vacation that you had to use during the other shutdown. After 5 years you got a third week that could be used whenever. This is why i always stand with French protestors because the moment you give corporations an inch they demand a mile.
so much envy. here in california, you get three sick days. that's it. no vacation, no holidays. i don't think i've ever had a job willingly give me more, though i know such jobs do exist.
Sounds like a real stupid guy.
I mean, he already said he was a CEO…
True, true.
Your salary has been made available in your corporate account, but why would you want to use it all and deprive your employer of the extra security a cash reserve brings? Work well done should be its own reward after all. A shareholder cries every time you make a withdrawal.
Really? If I withdraw my paycheck cent by cent, can I mummify one by proxy?
Even if you love doing something, you'll eventually want a break. What this guy is describing is addiction. Work addiction is one of many types of addiction that isn't even seen as such because while it can destroy everything else in your life, it likely won't stop you from being financially successful and that's the only measure of success anyone actually gives a fuck about, it seems.
You can't be financially successful if destroying everything else left you with mental health issues that prevent you from working. A work addict can keep on for a while but they'll crash.
I'm pretty sure this person is joking.
we live in an age where almost all satire has happened at least 10 times
I'm sure they are, but I have had bosses who think this way.
If you really enjoy spaghetti & meatballs, why would you ever want to eat anything else?
I have such a hard time imagining this is actually a real person writing a real post.
It’s way easier if you assume that any LinkedIn post you see is satire.
definitely better for my image of humanity
After being America pilled I moved to China and had a British roommate. My mind was blown when he told me his mom took paid vacation days to tidy the house. I would NEVER dream of using the 14 days of vacation I had in the USA to clean the fucking house. Just IMAGINE having so much time off that you'd even consider using some to clean the house. It seemed awesome to me.
As a Brit that's crazy, that's what WFH is for ;)
USA needs some worker rights laws(apart from free healthcare, free education and others), in normal countries you'll be in trouble if you somehow didn't take your 28 days(more in some) of vacation, or were spotted at work in those days.
I don't know how it works where you are, in my workplace if you don't take enough leave you need to make an agreement with your manager to take some leave soon; if you fail to make an agreement or the agreement is too far in the future you are put on leave.
I don't count that as being in trouble, it's about giving the worker the power to say "if you won't approve my leave, the system will force leave and you'll have no choice of when"
I don't like that either. People shouldn't be penalized for not taking vacation. That's just a different form of taking away their choice.
This is not a good take. It opens for an implicit expectation from your employer that you should not use your vacation. If you get passed over for promotion because you took out vacation it is not really a choice, is it?
That's quite a leap
It's not. By requiring people to take leave you ensure leave is available.
My workplace enforces leave by having limits on how much leave you can accrue, if you exceed the limit you are put on leave.
You sound like someone with no workforce experience whatsoever.
You sound like a manager, looking to control how people handle their vacation time. "Workers get punished for taking vacation" and "workers get punished for not taking vacation" are two sides of the same coin. Personally I'm in favor of "workers can do whatever they want with their PTO without fear of repurcussion".
It's not about punishment. If time off is optional than it's a near guarantee that workers will be punished in some way for taking it. At a minimum bosses should have to pay out for unused time off, even though that that will certainly lead to some bosses penalizing those workers.
That's stupid. Are you mad that they don't let you work when the office is closed too?
I take every minute of PTO time allocated to me. I am not so arrogant that I believe others should be punished for making different choices, though.
Well you could work on vacation but it's usually paid 2-4 times per hour. So it depends on your employer willing to pay that much.
I have no desire to work on vacation. I have no desire to work at all, I only do it because i.enjoy having food and a place to live. But I don't believe in punishing people for victimless crimes. They're not hurting anyone but themselves by letting their PTO expire, leave them alone.
They don't punish workers, they fine employers for not following laws.
Oh ok. That's fine then.
I love my job. I really do. I also love other things more. It’s not rocket surgery.
"Rocket surgery"... I like it, I'm changing to this too!
What kind of psychopath enjoys working?
For own personal growth or the general benefit of my local society absolutely.
Don’t even need a salary as long as the means to live happy are otherwise provided.
For the profit of a corporation? No, yuck!
People who sit at a desk for 4 hours a week doing jack all and making 100x what their full Time employees make.
i kind of love my job, and kind of love working. it can be fun
Enjoy it! I was lucky to have 10+ years at a job I loved. Great coworkers, awesome boss, reasonable expectations.
Then the VP left. Within two years everything went to complete shit (except the coworkers although they either left or retreated into being bots at work)
Nothing last :/
you sure are right, a big part of why i enjoy it is a very good boss and coworkers
I enjoy working. I just hate being told what to work on
I've seen lots and lots of discussions on whether people like or not working, and it always sums up to people giving different meanings to the word "work". When it comes to do things as a hobby, for a cause, or for fulfilling any objective we have, most people will say that they enjoy it, but when it comes to serving someone else on a schedule, just to afford to stay alive, I've never seen anyone say that they enjoy it.
Edit: some combination of words from my comment and the general theme made me somehow think about the music stayin' alive, and I can't get it out of my head anymore!
If I have to work Im going to find something that stimulates me in a way I find interesting. Or you could just say I like it.
I have an idea! Co-operatives, taxed automation, total freedom! Fuck work! Fuck all work! Most of us had enough of it for a lifetime. Even if you believe in working hard and earning your keep, the real issue is, you don't actually get to enjoy much of the results! You waste time you could have spent helping others, getting fit, developing your skillsets and hobbies! Living life! Experiencing things!
I've always thought the idea of a neighborhood working together would do wonders. "John down the street loves cars so if u need a fix go see him, oh and this weekend we're all helping roof his house cuz he helps us with cars and Hank across the street is gonna grill burgers for us" etc etc stuff like that.
You just invented villages
I wish I could live in a village. That sounds fucking fantastic. I want to know what the lady five houses down is doing. I want them to know what I'm doing.
I want to have a fucking community.
I lived on an island with 20~25 people lighting there throughout 5 years. It was fucking great! I miss those years.
Living in a village has massive up and downsides.
The downsides are, that you are always dependant on a car to go anywhere. Public transit is usually non existent or unusable (at least if you value your time). Theres usually also not that much to do on the weekends. No going in a club because a band you like plays there. If you want to be able you have to drive their or have someone to drive you if you dont want to stay sober. The citizens of rural areas are usually more on the conservative side, so better not ask them about their views on immigrants. However it always depends on the region how bad it really is.
The upsides are, that you know people. You regularly see people, if you need help with something you can simply ask your neighbours, friends etc. Also since its a bit more common for people in rural areas to do manual labour this means, that you will know quite a lot of people that actually know how to do stuff. One massive upside is, that villages tend to be a bit more relaxed and more quiet in general. So this means, that after like 7pm its quite unusual to hear any or that much noise. However if someone is louder (e.g. they're having a party) dont be a bitch and let them have fun. In return you can have fun too and dont get problems. However this highly depends on where you live. Especially older people sometimes tend to be quite bitchy and call the cops at you for being to loud. But again, it depends. If you decide to actually invest your time, es example by joining one or more clubs, you too get the chance to become part of the village. This is usually one of the few possible ways of actually integrating into a village and if you dont do this, you will be quite lonely.
And then theres stuff that's an upside and a downside at the same time. Mainly it is, that when you know what everyone else has been up to everyone else knows what you have been up to. So better keep an eye on what you tell, because you can be sure that it will spread quite quickly and people love to make up weird shit, that doesn't even have to be based on some form of reality. Trust me, this comes from someone who has heard the most bullshit imaginable told about my family.
So in short, its a quite fun thing but its not something for everyone. Especially the bad infrastructure is something that makes living in a village unattractive (this includes me, which is why I Am quite happy to live in a small town where I have quite a lot of aspects of the usual village live, but with more progressive people and actually functioning public transport).
the thing is to do these things, you need people who feel that way. good luck finding 100+ people in one place in the US who would be willing to live that way. it might be easier to flee to south america and do that there. fits better into the vibe of the country.
People with all the equity thinking that they don't need to share to get people to take ownership of work
what a fucking cuntoh it is satireThis is crazy. Next thing you're going to tell me the employees actually keep their full salaries for themselves and don't give you back most of it?
Amateurs! Good employees immediately deposit 2/3rds of their monthly income into their landlord's account and try to hold on to the final 3rd for dear life for a full month, only to fail two weeks in.
He's not wrong, IF companies were worker controlled by law. Like a cooperative. Workers would enjoy their work more and would want to work more if they had agency. We are supposed to be a democracy, so why don't get workers the right to vote on who their managers are, what to do with the profits (after paying back loans) and how many working hours there should be?
Imagine if you'd mandate that even shitshows like fox news were suddenly worker controlled instead of by incorporated demons of greed. Workers generally want to create a good product and make customers happy, and in the case of news agencies they'd want to inform their readers well.
Meh, there's no world where people are going to actually enjoy doing tedious, repetitive tasks even if they fully own their surplus labor. This was always my beef with the antiwork subreddit. "Socialism is when nobody digs ditches."
There will always be shitty jobs until we fully automate society. The guy doing hard labor in the hot sun is always going to resent the guy working in AC even if they both own their surplus labor. This is why socialism is still just harm reduction on the path to achieving a post scarcity, post labor society.
The thing is that capitalism is incredibly INEFFICIENT in providing value to society. In a planned economy you could (theoretically) have rational though to maximize benefit for all - in capitalism it's just grow grow grow. That is why we're digging so many superfluous ditches. How many roads, how many ditches could be spared if we just build less idiotic sprawling suburbs? If we had a rational, democratic and semi-planned economy?
There is this study that we'd only need 30% of the energy and resources we currently use to provide decent standards of living for every single person on earth.
Of course you're right, just "doing socialism" won't get us there easily either.
Its a matter of compensation and conditions.
If the guy in the sun is working from sunrise to sunset and can barely get by, let alone enjoy anything outside of work, and the guy in the ac is making bank while barely working and have tons of leasure, of course there gonna be resentment.
But, give the the people who shovel shit and fix things and all that blue collar jobs 300k a year by working 3-4 times a week for 5-6 hrs and you you'll see a line to get them jobs.
A once buddy of mine wouldn't stand sitting in a office all day, no matter what you paid him. He worked his ass off as a gardner for 20+years at his on business while making a lot of money(more than I do working an office job) and he actually really enjoys working in the sun.
Point is, nobody want to get exploited
Good point, maybe you should think about that a little harder bro.
I pay them every month but instead of keeping their salaries, they spend it all! Meaning I have to keep paying them! Absurd.
I love my field, I hate the majority of jobs in my field because while tech can do many cool and wonderful things and could be solving many more issue, most companies are busy doing what one percenters want and pushing for the least effort solutions and everything is always a cram. No breathing space, no time to enjoy the product and reflect on what to do next. Just cram, enshittify, add tracking, automate away your peers, do more with less people so we can fire more people.
I'm so sick of the efficiency rat race that capitalist investors demand.
The really weird thing at that is that the efficiency that is demanded from the lower levels is squandered by the higher ones.
I'm working for a large corporation, and while I'm doing my job quite well (at least I think am), my work is useless. On the one hand, management constantly pivots. Today feature X is super important. Let's invest multiple millions and crunch time to get this done as fast as possible. It's almost done now, so now it turns out it's really not important any more. Shelve it for a few months or years and do something else instead that's super important until we don't care about it any more.
But not only is the work useless because "agile means upper management can change their mind twice daily", but the thing I'm working on is a marketing app that nobody wants anyway. People just use it because they get some small discounts, but really nobody has an actual benefit of the app itself.
You could probably close down the whole marketing department of the corporation and nobody would notice an actual difference.
The same holds true for most corporate jobs. It's so much politics and so much thinking firmly inside my own little drawer that there's really no point to all of that.
And with all of that waste happening, it's really ridiculous that anyone in upper management even dares to utter the term "efficiency", let alone pressures employees into anything for the purpose of efficiency.
If you really like running why would you ever stop running?
bad knees.
Guess you dont like running then
I could tell it was satire because of his title, "probably the weirdest CEO of a recruit", but it's one of those cases where you just know a significant amount of bosses looks at that and sincerely agree
This is precisely why "unlimited" PTO is a fucking scam. When it's a set amount in writing as part of your compensation package, they're literally committing a crime if they never let you take it. If it's more nebulously worded, it's easier to blame the demands of the job, as though those aren't defined by the same people jerking you around on benefits. And they have proven time and time again that they will take everything from you if given the chance.
While you are correct, the actual reason this started is much simpler.
CA has a law that all unused vacation must be paid out at separation. All the silicon valley CEOs loophole this law by claiming unlimited PTO, therefore no payout because nothing is accrued.
In my country, if you offer unlimited PTO, and there's seperation, you will have to pay out what was contracted: Unlimited PTO. I guess, in most cases that would be interpreted as 365 days a year
Hence, nobody is dumb enough to offer unlimited PTO.
That depends on the local laws in place. For example, under the Working Time Regulations 1998 (in the UK), the firm is legally required to ensure all workers take their statutory days off. "Unlimited PTO" doesn't mean anything because it's a legal requirement that the workers take those days. You have a bit of say on when the worker takes those days, but you risk the HMRC coming after you if your workers don't take their holiday.
Soooo no, in some countries Unlimited PTO is a bit less of a scam, because you still get your statutory holiday anyway, so anything after that is a bonus.
There was once a QA tester in my last job that had to be taken aside by a manager at the end of the year and told "You haven't been taking any leave this year. You will use those days you've accrued before the end of the year or both you and I are in big trouble. This is not a request, you are going on holiday!"
If you are going to steal the value I create why would I would harder then necessary for you to get richer through my exploitation.
Oh simple answer Mr. Super CEO; because no matter how you dress it up, the bottom line is NO, people do NOT love their jobs. Shockingly, people do not derive joy from using their effort to benefit someone else, in this case YOU.
"If you really enjoy accruing my capital as a wage slave, why would you want time away from it?"
Look Mr "Super CEO" you're loving your job because you had an idea, took the risk, and through a mixture of good execution and luck-based-timing and/or access to external financial help succeeded.
Congratulations, you're one of the lucky few who managed to earn good money from their obsession. Seriously well done.
Your employees are not that. They're there to collect a salary and paid time off in exchange for their labour under the veiled threat of financial (and possibly medical) ruin if they don't.
The paid time off is necessary so they don't go mad from sacrificing a third of their life doing unfulfilling tasks 80% of the time (if they're lucky).
"Well if they aren't as obsessed as I am about this job, why don't they leave and start their own thing?"
Because:
Most people aren't passionate about things that could produce a livable wage if they did that full-time and therefore don't live to work, but work to live.
Even if they could turn a passion into a start-up business or self-employment, there's a myriad of other factors, e.g. risk appetite, financial position, people depending on them, previous traumatic experiences with low or zero-income, that inhibit them from taking on a massive gamble like this.
The current capitalism based economy would be unable to support everyone acting as basically an independent contractor offering goods and services. Organisations need to be formed to carry out more complex products and/or services. That's even without considering necessary public sector roles.
Get your head out of your reality-shielding arse and stop inhaling your own hot gasses.
There are people who can work without any time off. Met some in academia: total freaks who only need a lab and like-minded individuals.
As much as I love my job, I love doing jack fucking shit nothing even more. Damn skippy I'm using all my vacation hours (especially since I now know that they expire when the year flips and I don't get to just accumulate them for when I actually want to use them).
The thing is, I actually do like my job, but I like doing other things too. If I didn't have to work, I would probably do something like what I do at work anyway, just not as much of it (probably like 2 hours/day?).
That said, I absolutely take all of my time off. Sometimes I do work-like things on my leave (personal projects), but I will take all of my time off.
Loved my job before last. Some mornings I'd pop out of bed with a new idea I wanted to try, couldn't wait to get to the office. Some nights I'd work on my home lab, testing ideas for work and learning for my own benefit.
But you damned straight I took my PTO. In fact, one of the two reasons I quit was being denied a single day of PTO. First time they had shot me down, unwise as I was the entire IT department.
I can make this fool stroke out in one word:
"Paid?"
Leaders that don't take leave is a common warning side of fraud happening.
Why the fuck did you give them 28 days of vacation if you don't expect them to use it? What kind of manipulative bullshit is that?
i once did my work properly and went over and beyond in my care to do my job right. It was meant as a benefit but now my boss sees my effort as a right.
Don't know why names are erased from public posts?
I view it kinda differently because that public post is still there (with the creators consent), and you can naturally run into it if you're a member or interacting with that group. However, this is a re-post and specifically a group targeting them as negative which can lead to brigading.
I definitely understand public is public, I think it's more of an ethics/moral choice where anyone wanting to harass the user would have to take extra steps since the information wasn't provided by this platform.
A benefit you don't use isn't actually a ... Benefit, is it?
This person sounds floridly out-of-touch.
^ This person sounds like their satire detector is busted.
Big punch energy
The only one yes
I have a ton of days off I could technically take but I just save them for disasters and no one questions it when I can’t come in.
Congratulations, you are in this post.
I absolutely am. If I didn’t like my job I wouldn’t tolerate it.
Most of y'all's inability to detect satire and sarcasm make me wonder if you're even more autistic than you claim.
Part of the humor is pushing barely over the top, not being so blatant it's silly.
I’d say in this environment, it’s no longer satire. Even the Onion is having trouble with articles because of how bad it is. Look at the responses and you’ll see people are encountering this exact issue in a very non-satirical way. Hell, in the US, you’re lucky to get 10 days off, let alone 28, and in some cases that’s not even mandated.