Spyke
lemmy.world

Somebody explain to me how some bloated, out of shape clown who needs bifocals is going to be expected to wrestle someone to the ground??? Where did they get these guys, retired dudes from the local day-drinking hole?

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I mean have you seen some cops? ICE has lower standards than that.

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I dunno, but they let a bloated meth addicted pedophile run the country, so their judgements a bit off lately.

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lemmy.ca

Literally ANYONE (white) that signs up, gets a gun and free license to terrorize the community. (plus a $50k signing bonus if I remember right, not gonna bother looking it up)

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piefed.social

I keep wondering if they take the signup bonus back if you drop out...

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There are a lot of asterisks on that signing bonus from what I saw. I think the likelihood of getting it are pretty slim.

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Most sign-on bonuses have required tenure to cash out, some pay out a portion each month over the course of a year, some pay out quarterly, etc.

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wulrusreply
lemmy.world

Remember the mealteam six on some kind of electric scooter that they "deployed" during I-don't-remember-which Trump insanity? I think they never figured out whether it was some kind of agency, or just organised Trump fans, but how did they find a whole group of fat people with the same kind of scooter?

Edit: might have been segways, now that some memory comes back

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lemmy.world

So much wrong with this:

  • Dude's old.
  • Clearly can't use his weapon correctly
  • Is on the ground
  • Maybe has bad vision
  • Wearing fuckin' skinny jeans
  • His tough guy stance at the end of the video, trying to regain his manhood like he didn't just humiliate himself

Donald's going to give this asshole a medal of freedom.

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_stranger_reply
lemmy.world

He doesn't look old to me in that pic, just bald, but I honestly don't have any details so he could be.

wearing fucking skinny jeans

lmfao that's gold.

he's absolutely a complete fucking tool though

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't even know if he's good enough to be called a tool. A tool has value. This dipshit is just worthless.

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Aside from the egregious gun fumble, he's clearly out of shape and completely winded after standing up. His "tough guy" stance looks more like someone who's afraid and can't keep their cool, so they try to look intimidating. It comes off as reckless endangerment of everyone in his proximity.

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Cethinreply
lemmy.zip

In my opinion, probably the worst one is I assume his finger is on the trigger. I don't see it, so unless it's missing that's the only place I think it could be. Maybe its really high and above the barrel. Idk.

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Aulireply

Doesn't look that old. Or do you think everyone hired by ICE should be early 20's and under.

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mander.xyz

Probably not a good age to begin a career in law enforcement

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I see a lot of comments dismissing the nuanced difference between a magazine and a clip, and I agree that from a linguistic perspective it doesn't matter...

But it may be relevant here. A clip is used to load a magazine. In the case of the M1 Garand and the new Kel-Tek PR57, the clips are used to load an internal (integral) magazine. This gun uses conventional magazines, and the magazine can be dropped (the ICE agent in the video must have pressed the magazine release button while scrambling for his weapon) while there is still a round in the chamber.

TL;DR he was probably waving around a loaded gun at those people.

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lemmy.world

One time I was in Walmart and asked if they sold gun magazines, and the guy said "they're up at the front of the store", which I thought was weird. He was talking about printed magazines. I was talking about metal things that hold bullets.

After that I just say "clip" even knowing it's not technically correct.

More info: there was a time when Walmart sold all kinds of gun stuff. I don't know if they do anymore. I used to buy 500 .22 long rifle bullets for $15.

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They still do, at least in Kentucky. That's where I picked up a case for my first dulcimer. Dulcimers and rifles have similar dimensions, and I needed something quick to protect my new instrument on a long drive home.

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lemmy.world

I'd wager he hadn't loaded one into the chamber at this point - because you would hope someone this stupid would have hurt himself by now otherwise.

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AFAIK the only time the doctrine changed (from carrying with a round in the chamber) was after the P320 debacle. I heard some police departments started carrying with an unloaded chamber if they couldn't switch to something else.

It's ultimately up to the officer, and there's no way for me to know, but I get the feeling this guy was running with the +1

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Aulireply

I'd wager he always has 1 in the chamber.

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lemmy.zip

I like the second guy in the background who is pointing his gun at the guy's leg. It is good that ICE hires the mentally handicapped, but lets not give them guns.

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sh.itjust.works

Clearly this grandpa needs to hug his grandkids and not be doing these things.

I will note that clip/magazine is very difficult for it to just fall out of the gun. The eject button is very intentional.

Also, even if the magazine is out, there is still one live in the chamber and can still hurt someone.

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lemmy.world

Mag button is placed above the usual firing grip to be intentional, my guess is he was so eager to draw down he squeezed the whole handle. Incompetent and shouldn’t be carrying, absolutely but..there’s one in the chamber and a gun is always loaded.

Can we just fucking kill the Nazis again already?

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Honestly, I don't blame these people. I was once brainwashed as well (1x Bush Sr, 2x Bush jr) so I understand what he is going through.

They really do think they are the good guys and view everyone else to be lesser than him. And that's why a normal conversation with these people usually snaps them back to reality.

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reddthat.com

Also, even if the magazine is out, there is still one live in the chamber and can still hurt someone.

I came to the comments to say this exact thing. This is actually a leading cause of negligent discharge incidents. People eject the magazine and assume the gun is unloaded, completely forgetting about the round in the chamber. There’s a reason soldiers are trained to actually look into the chamber.

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SkyezOpenreply
lemmy.world

trained to actually look into the chamber.

From the back, mind. I'm sure you know but its an important detail.

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You're also allowed to use your friend's iPhone if he's not there to argue.

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I remembered being stupid at 18 and owning my first handgun. I was too young and stupid back then and almost got banned from the shooting range because I was shooting sideways like a "gangsta".

There was a off duty LEO that was there that day and offered me some quick lessons on how to handle a gun. It was the best firearms training I have ever had.

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lemmy.ca

Also, even if the magazine is out, there is still one live in the chamber and can still hurt someone.

That's assuming this idiot actually chambered a round when he had the clip in.

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For someone larping like this, best believe he has one in the chamber AND refilled that missing bullet in his magazine.

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Eh every thing about this photo says it is.

It might be the only one.

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That’s just obviously an error by someone untrained in close combat

  1. why was the gun not in his holster? He even looked for it
  2. why was the suspect almost able to grab the gun? Could have let to the victim killing 3+ officers
  3. He clearly panicked, wanted to be in possession of the gun at all cost. This caused him to involuntarily pointing the gun at civilians. Involuntarily, because of the way you have to hold the gun while on ground. The error was him wanting to hold the gun in the hand, instead of getting to his knees first, while holding the gun down to the ground with one hand.

You can clearly see that they are physically out of shape and now have to wear a vest + equipment.

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mander.xyz

The best part is the guy behind him pointing his gun at his ass. This is gun safety 101, but I realize they weren't required to do any training on gun safety

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sh.itjust.works

This very guy, in the same video, points his loaded gun at his dick after putting it in his belt.

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Whoa, I didn't watch the video. That guy has no idea what the fuck he's doing, and his body language indicates he's triggered as hell

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Violent, angry, bald, insecure, racist falls down when trying to beat down and kidnap a fully grown adult with the help of two other men, gets violent, angry, bald, insecure, and racist and immediately threatens the lives of witnesses with further extreme armed dangerous incompetence.

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HugeNerdreply
lemmy.ca

The old man glasses really seal the deal for me.

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I think this picture sums up Middle Aged Delusional Syndrome.

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lemmy.ca

That's a magazine and there could be a round in the chamber, so...

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I would bet on them being such cowards they never would cock their guns because they are not ready to kill another person. Why else would the brownshirts always point their guns at people? They don't understand what a firearm actually is.

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One of the definitions of clip from Merriam-Webster is literally: "a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm", so you no longer need to make a distinction between clip and magazine because only gun nerds actually give a shit. English is fluid, we understood what OP meant.

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_stranger_reply
lemmy.world

It's about as esoteric a difference as some cars taking diesel and some taking gasoline. Most people know both exist and what they're for, I don't know if I'd call that expertise but I suppose it's slightly above novice. Maybe general gun awareness? In either case your point stands, not everyone can be assumed to be even generally gun aware.

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HereIAmreply
lemmy.world

It is more like knowing the difference between a CVT and dual clutch transmission. A clip or magazine is just something that holds bullets for a gun.

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Aulireply

And considering one of them is no longer used and the term is now used to describe the other.

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I'll be that guy. If I know someone's car takes diesel and I hear them talk about putting gas in it, I'm gonna make sure they mean diesel. Putting diesel in a gas car is a good way to waste a tank of fuel. Putting gas in a diesel car is a good way to waste a diesel engine.

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My read on the whole thing is there is a group of us who are just sick of hearing, because we don't care, it's immaterial.

It's been 20 years people have been beating that into our heads. When I came into this comment section, I was literally looking for this particular squabble and I was surprised to have not found it but here we are eventually.

It's one of the most irritating aktchewallys because it will not seem to go away.

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Language is descriptive, not prescriptive.

As long as you understand what the word means, and it doesn't matter if it's technically distinct, then it's fine.

Modern weapons don't use clips, so unless we're talking about historical weapons, it doesn't matter.

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Aulireply
lemmy.ca

Everyone calls the magazine a clip. Right out of the dictionary a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm so seems both meanings are correct.

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Yeah I know it’s pedantic and I’m not a gun nut by any stretch. But here’s an example. If you were to call a trackball a mouse. They functionally do the same thing and most people would realize what you were talking about in context. But to a computer nerd, they are not the same thing.

These chuckle-fucks are not qualified by any stretch of the word. No self respecting person that has actually had gun training would act like this. It’s stupid, unsafe, unprofessional, and just makes them look like idiots which I’m guessing most are. So if you want to make fun of them and be effective to the gun nuts, it helps to use the appropriate terminology. And we need the gun nuts to realize how dangerous and unprofessional these gravy seals are.

Thats all I was trying to convey. Sorry if I came off like an asshole. I wasn’t trying to be.

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I saw this video... He didn't even pick the clip up. He stands up and points it at everyone, then continues to stand for five or more minutes with the clip still not in.

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The one on the ground came out of his vest pocket, there's still a magazine loaded, you can see it later in the video.

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To be fair it would still shoot someone. Every gun should be treated as if a round is chambered, especially when pointed at someone.

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lemmy.ml

Skinny jeans, bald, glasses. I look just like this mf. He out there spending his 30's making a fool of himself I'm out here being the cute twunk doing mutual aid. 😌💅

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Sure he looks silly, but handguns can still be holding a live round in the chamber, even without a magazine

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And honestly is there any chance that maniac ever doesn't have a round chambered?

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When you give the village idiots guns and masks and mountains of money and tell them they can do what they want.

What a shithole country.

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lemmy.ml

Ahhhh so incompetent it hurts. Should be easy to rout ICE with a little organized response. Maybe 18 foot spears? Or a wall of men with firearms and camo as well. Could maybe then be on respectful speaking terms with our lovely friends here.

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lemmy.world

Good god, we have really failed at being parents to our parents.

grandpa should be spending time with his grandchildren.

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Focusing on the person is missing the point. This is someone who is not properly trained for their job or for the use of firearms and this will happen repeatedly until we raise that standard.

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How do I watch the video? The link goes to some kind of image album?

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I'm guessing that at school he never had people wanting to copy his homework. A very rude and indeed judgemental guess I know, but I really and vexed by the ongoing stupidity.

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why tf would he even point a gun in first place at something he is not intending to shoot? he was rewarded with a paid leave after this incident

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The guy didnt have enough training to handle that situation safely, which says a lot about the agency right now.

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It's probably like me when kid guns had a safety by your thumb, and then I tried some bodies (unloaded) gun later in life and that button dropped the mag out. LOL. Like Toy manufacturers back then went for ease of design and not accurate replication for teaching kids firearms skills :/

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lemmy.world

He’s such a POS that his own hair left his damn body, including his eyesight! That’s when you know, you are evil!

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Body shaming and ableism aren't the way, home slice. There's plenty of things we can appropriately shame this man for.

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