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Why is the human body so incredibly bad at responding to colds?

No cure so you gotta rest. Nose is stuffed so you gotta mouth breathe. Throat is dry from mouth breathing. Dry throat makes it painful to swallow. Pain keeps you from sleeping and recovering. Lack of sleep leads to worse symptoms like piercing headaches. Need to rest to get rid of the headaches. Headache and swallowing is too painful to rest properly. Lack of rest perpetuates headaches, nose congestion, dry throat, painful swallowing.

What is this BS

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If it makes you feel any better, your microscopic attacker is not having a very good time with your body's response either. You're the undefeated champion in this arena so far, keep up the winning streak.

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AmidFurorreply
fedia.io

I don't know about who is the champion. The virus eventually fails to multiply in the host, but it meanwhile spreads to others.

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This woke-ass participation trophy shit is ruining my flu season!

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Dude, you are in a million years battle with other organisms trying to exploit and kill you, and you're fucking winning. I would call that a blazing success. The other organisms are trying their literal best, their survival depends on it, and you just KEEP. ON. WINNING.

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No, it's actually the opposite. Piefed users are required to stay forever. It's in your terms of service.

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bad at it? you literally rest for a week then recover, as opposed to dying. your pretty fucking good at it. you just don't know how bad it could be

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midwest.social

The real question should be:

Why is our society built around disposable labor and assuming we will be at 100% functionality all the time?

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remonreply
ani.social

It isn't? That's why you get paid sick leave.

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TheFoganreply
programming.dev

Trying to figure out if you are joking, or you are from a nicer country that getting paid sick leave is something everyone gets. Good chunk of the american work force, has to negotiate with their boss, go to a doctor that's going to charge them between $50-$200 so they can tell you "yep you have a cold, here's a note so you can prove it to your boss", so you can give that note to your boss and hopefully not get fired for taking some UNPAID days off. (of course as most states are "at will" if you do that too often you still run the risk of getting fired for "no reason" later).

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That really depends on what country you live in. The US doesn't require sick leave AFAIK and Canada only requires 5 days. So that's like 300 days where you have to choose between getting better or paying rent. More socially progressive countries get paid sick leave, not everyone.

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BakerBagelreply
midwest.social

Look at this guy with his sick leave and ability to stay home and rest when he's sick!

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Yeah I think the real thing is just not understanding how bad a cold without an immune system would be. IE only real way to put it in context is, read up on what an immune-comprimised individual goes through when they get a cold.

It's a bit like saying

"why is my countries missile defense so crappy, whenever we're attacked there's chunks of metal all over the ground, so much smoke and noise it makes it hard to sleep, why are we so bad at defending from missiles".

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kbin.earth

The immune system is fucking incredible, you should read up on it and then you'll never make a post like this again!

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lemmy.world

I was about to say this too. It does a pretty fucking incredible job at fighting colds.

Wait. Was this a troll post, and I just ate it up?

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Blows my mind that the solution for so many things is just 'try not to make it worse while your body does magic' Broken bone? Stop moving it and wait. Cold? Drink water, sleep, and wait. Cut? Cover it up so it's not actively bleeding, and wait. Even in modern medicine were still letting the body do the heavy lifting, just trying to help it out where we can. No wonder diet and exercise are such good preventative measures

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lemmy.world

Those symptoms you've described? It's your immune system doing that to you. On purpose, not a mistake. Nose is stuffed because you're producing extra mucous to flush infection out of your airways. Dry throat because the tissues are inflamed to directly kill viruses using the body's transport system. Yeah, it's bad for you - but it's worse for the little invaders.

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lemmy.world

Yes, I know it's the natural defences popping off but I'm saying I'm having a hard time keeping this plane in the sky when my copilot keeps slapping me with a hot seafood entrée. Y'know??

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It's rough but the other option is death. The cold would kill you if your immune system wasn't doing this to you.

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lemmy.world

I was originally going to include "what part of this is intelligent design?!?!" In the post but I didn't want it to devolve into a religious debate. But seriously, how intelligent is our design when our defense mechanism makes recovery even more difficult to achieve?

Like some asshole is out there designing a vehicle that runs on solar but you're also only allowed to drive it when the sun is down.

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The better comparison would be to say that solar power panels are a complete design mistake because they get hot when in the sun thus hampering their function. Yes, it is not perfect, but it still works way better than nothing.

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You've survived every one you've caught so far haven't you? That's a testament to it's awesomeness!

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jet
hackertalks.com

It's incredibly good at responding to infections. That's why you're alive.

Taking medicine to reduce symptoms when you're sick, actually increases the amount of time that you're sick. You reducing the effectiveness of your body's fight.

If you find yourself often getting sick, take a look at your overall health, especially your metabolic health. Make sure you're getting enough sleep, zinc, sunlight, and avoiding sugar as much as you can.

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null_dotreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Taking medicine to reduce symptoms when you're sick, actually increases the amount of time that you're sick. You reducing the effectiveness of your body's fight.

Sorry I think this is unfounded quackery, and by making this assertion you risk increasing the suffering of others.

It makes sense in a logical kind of way... like if a fever helps fight an infection then taking paracetamol to avoid the fever must prevent you fighting the infection.

The thing is, there's no evidence that infections work that way in practice. If taking paracetamol helps you get a good night sleep, maybe that is more effective than a fever.

A lot of your body's natural defenses just aren't really very effective at all. Like goose bumps, or shivering... obviously putting a jacket on is far more effective.

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jetreply
hackertalks.com

Sorry I think this is unfounded quackery, and by making this assertion you risk increasing the suffering of others.

https://doi.org/10.1592/phco.20.19.1417.34865

You might not like the advice, but it doesn't make it quackry. You're an adult, you can take any medicine you like. But the advice is sound, avoid treating symptoms as a first resort.

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awaysawayreply
sh.itjust.works

can you share an extract from the link that speaks to your point? im just not able to access the link

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jetreply
hackertalks.com

Multivariate analysis suggested that antipyretic therapy prolonged illness in subjects infected with influenza A, but its use was the result of prolonged illness in those infected with S. sonnei. The precise nature of these relationships requires a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled trial.

On a human level it should just make sense, don't treat things that don't need to be treated. If your fever is getting dangerously high, or if it's preventing you from sleep and you got to work in the morning, use your medicine. But it shouldn't be the first thing people go for. I have a mild headache I'm going to take some medicine, I have a slight fever I'm going to take some medicine, I have a sniffly nose I'm going to take some medicine. That's not indicated.

They're very few panaceas in this world, all medicines have trade-offs.

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AmidFurorreply
fedia.io

The quote suggests the study was suggestive of the conclusion but inadequate to reasonably confirm it.

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jetreply
hackertalks.com

Sure, one thing you will find in all paper is that further studies are warranted. I was just illustrating to our dear friend above that their quackery statement wasn't being civil.

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I'm sorry if you're offended by being called a quack.

It's a term often applied to those making bold medical claims without sufficient evidence.

Sadly, if you want to make a claim contrary to settled medical science generally accepted the world over and applied in literally billions of cases each year, a study you found on google with 120 volunteers is... insufficient.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Person 1: "don't treat fevers, doing so prolongs the illness itself"

Person 2: "there's no evidence of that, it's quackery"

Person 1: "here's a study that says there's no evidence that it's false, either."

Person 2 was probably being somewhat rude, but also wasn't wrong in the substance of the actual comment.

I'm of the camp that treating a fever makes me feel better, and it isn't shown to prolong or worsen illness.

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I feel you've missed a minimum of two very important points here. Person 1 actually shared a link showing that treatment of 'flu-induced fever prolonged the infection (rather than attempted to prove quackery, or failed to affirm the negative). Then it was argued that feeling better is not a helpful way of measuring effectiveness of treatment.
Pov You contract gangrene in the tropics, far from a hospital.
Your best chance of survival is still to bite on this wood while I cut off your leg. It's not going to make you feel better, but you might just live.
Would you still prefer the analgesics?

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Interesting study, but the sample size of 54 is a bit too small, and usually strong medical research requires placebo controlled randomized trials. The ones that received medicine in this trial had to meet a specific criteria I.e. not randomized. Still interesting study to build off of nonetheless

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Sorry, if you want to make a claim contrary to well established and generally accepted medical advice then you'll need much better evidence.

The study you linked has a pathetically small scale of 120 individuals, is not randomised or placebo-controlled. Classic P-hacking. The result literally states that a better study is required.

This meta study, which includes the one you linked, concludes that there is no effect on the duration of an infection.

Out of the 1466 references found, 25 RCTs were included. There were two studies assessing mean fever clearance time, and five studies examining the duration of symptoms associated with the illness studied. No statistically significant differences were found when pooling the results of the different studies.

Your advice is anything but "sound". The only sensible advice is to follow the advice of your health care professional, and we both know what that will be.

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lemmy.sdf.org

Quackery? Lmao. It's proven that reducing fevers through anti-inflammatory medication lengthens the cold symptoms.

You're the quack here.

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Conclusions. Multivariate analysis suggested that antipyretic therapy prolonged illness in subjects infected with influenza A, but its use was the result of prolonged illness in those infected with S. sonnei. The precise nature of these relationships requires a prospective, randomized, placebo-controlled trial.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I'm looking forward to reading the "proof" you'll undoubtedly provide any moment now.

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Oh please.

This is the same pathetic study the other guy posted which I responded to elsewhere:

Sorry, if you want to make a claim contrary to well established and generally accepted medical advice then you'll need much better evidence.

The study you linked has a pathetically small scale of 120 individuals, is not randomised or placebo-controlled. Classic P-hacking. The result literally states that a better study is required.

This meta study, which includes the one you linked, concludes that there is no effect on the duration of an infection.

Out of the 1466 references found, 25 RCTs were included. There were two studies assessing mean fever clearance time, and five studies examining the duration of symptoms associated with the illness studied. No statistically significant differences were found when pooling the results of the different studies.

Your advice is anything but "sound". The only sensible advice is to follow the advice of your health care professional, and we both know what that will be.

Also, the other user you're talking to is not my alt account, I guess we just happen to have similar names. The only people who think people have "alt" accounts are idiots who think their profile is some kind of extention of their identity. You probably think your updoot count is somehow reassuring. Honestly.

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Getting rid of processed sugar is a great start

There's a lot of controversy about the other sugars, but I'm in the keto camp, so I would say anything that elevates your blood glucose should be avoided. So that would include sugar in fruit

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lemmy.ca

All that IS the response, and without it, a virus would kill you.

You are better off toughing it out than taking drugs that block the responses.

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A lot of people in this thread saying that viruses are losing when we live through a cold. That's just not true. Their goal is to live/reproduce, not to kill. They're winning at a different game, it just hurts us as a byproduct.

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You know symptoms is the tangible evidence of your body fighting the fucker? I'm no scientist but I remember hearing that apparently a raised body temp is one method of killing the cunt that's trying to attack you.

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Sure it is unpleasant. But you basically just have to rest for a day or two and your body will cure itself ... I'd say that's a pretty good response.

And thanks to our brains we also have medicine to combat most of these symptoms, making it really just a minor inconvenience.

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lemmy.world

With these symptoms you can’t run, you can’t hunt, you can’t burn too many calories. Your body does everything in its power to prevent you from using resources your body needs to defeat the sickness.

That’s the reason why placebo meds work: the fact that the doctor gave you medicine means that you are really sick, and therefore you have to rest. In reality you’re behaving differently and therefore you’ll get healthy faster.

Oh: and you’re slightly dehydrated so you don’t have that much risk of infecting others.

We are tribal animals. Apes together strong. We care for the sick ones because that means they can focus on recovery.

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darkdemizereply
sh.itjust.works

Is that why placebos work? I could swear they had done studies that show that placebos can be as effective as medication under certain conditions, all other things being equal. Maybe not as effective as medication, but more effective than non-treatment.

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Good find. Key paragraph:

When measured objectively over the 42-day evaluation period, limb function improved in 12.1% and worsened in 8.6%, but did not change in most dogs. By contrast, caregivers (both owners and vets) reported improvements in lameness from the start, with the reported improvements increasing with time. The caregiver placebo effect appeared to be around 57% for owners and 40–45% for vets and was statistically significant at all assessment time points.

Objective measurements are one way to detect this effect. Another would be a true double-blind trial where neither owner nor vet knows which medicine was given.

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Only if the medication doesn't work. The evidence is that placebos don't work. Mostly, the placebo effect is a statistical illusion.

It is plausible that the body will expend more energy to combat a disease if you are (sub-)consciously convinced that you are cared for and don't need to stress. Stress hormones down-regulate the immune response. Cortisol, used for treatment of autoimmune disorders like asthma and allergies, is a stress hormone.

But a sham treatment could also have the opposite effect. If your subconscious understands that as a signal that you must get back into action, you may end up releasing stress hormones. These psychological effects are just too idiosyncratic and fickle to be used reliably.

Stuff like broken bones or cancer doesn't respond to psychology at all. The body is already doing all it can.

ETA: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7156905/

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mander.xyz

The common cold is a family of coronaviruses, our bodies have been fighting off their mutations for millennia. An mRNA vaccines for colds, if I remember correctly, was in the works, but, well, we've all seen what's happening there

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Pipsterreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Its more often rhinoviruses rather than coronaviruses or other families

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protistreply
mander.xyz

I disagree, there's no way a rhino could fit in there

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Certainly possible, if not likely, that when these viruses first evolved to infect humans or human ancestors they caused increased mortality. Common coronaviruses and rhinoviruses still kill a lot of people, they're often associated with pneumonia

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No. But covid-19 belongs to the same group of viruses that also includes the common cold.

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infosec.pub

You're only seeing the colds that made it through the defenses, without having any means of measuring the ones your immune system successfully blocked or kicked out before they could take hold.

So your statistics are flawed.

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And even then most of the ones that made it through/past the immune system are still eventually fought off again by the immune system. I.e. you don't have to take an external antibiotic for every cold.

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lemmy.world

I'll say from personal experience, I found out that my body is actually awesome at responding to colds - I just don't let it.

Storytime - for pretty much all my life, I've had what I considered a pretty normal and functioning immune system. I would get a cold, feel how you felt for a few days or weeks, mostly just power through, and then I'd be back to normal.

However, in college I took 6 months off to hike the Appalachian Trail. This was great for a lot of reasons, but one thing I noticed (which everyone around me agreed on when I mentioned it to them), is that I'd pretty much stopped getting colds. For reference, trail life is not at all sanitary. Daily showers and grooming are the stuff of fantasy. Washing your hands after you take a shit is rare. If you frequent the small lean-to shelters along the trail to sleep (as I did almost every night), you will be sleeping shoulder to shoulder with other hikers with similar levels of hygiene. And it's not like we are somehow not catching and transmitting pathogens to each other. Every year, things like the flu or norovirus will rip through the hiking community, leaving 100 mile stretches of trail where you'll walk past dozens of hikers groaning in their tents (haphazardly set up just feet from the trail), with a pool of vomit just outside.

But the whole time I was on the trail, I never got a cold. As long as I wasn't sick sick, I felt very generally healthy. Why?

Well, the life I was living was very different than my normal life. I think I am decently healthy in my normal life. I eat a healthy diet and exercise regularly. But on the trail, I had a lot more things going for me.

  • I slept a lot, in sync with my circadian rhythm. 8pm was widely agreed to be "hiker's midnight", since about 15 minutes after the sun went down, all the hikers would start feeling sleepy and decide to go to bed. I would usually knock out instantly, and then wake up at first light, groggily peer out my tent at the coming morning, take a piss, then roll back over and sleep for another hour or two.
  • I was getting a lot of exercise. This exercise was rarely particularly strenuous, but every day I would wake up, shoulder my pack, and walk about 15 miles.
  • I had a phone, but had no backup battery bank, mini solar charger, or anything like that. Cell reception in the hills typically oscillated between bad and nonexistant. So my phone almost universally lived in the bottom of a stuff sack inside my backpack. I would take it out maybe once every couple days to listen to a song or two before turning it off again to conserve prescious battery life in case of emergency. Partly this helped because it meant that I wasn't staring at a bright phone screen when I should be sleeping. But more than that, I think it helped because I wasn't constantly feeding my brain a stream of nee content. I spent almost my entire day, every day, hiking in the forest in silence with no distractions. All I had to entertain myself was noticing the environment around me, occassionally checking my map and digital watch to calculate how far to the next stream/shelter/trail junction/town, and whatever thoughts came up in my head.
  • I spent pretty much all my time breathing fresh air. Most of the time I was in rural land with very little air pollution, and even when I did approach population centers, they tended to be, at most, medium-sized towns.
  • When I wasn't hiking or camping alone, I was hiking and camping with other hikers. Trail life tends to dissolve the differences in class, age, national origin, political affiliation, religion, or anything else. Everyone shares a common interest - life on the trail - so conversation tends to flow easily. Trail talk tends to center around things hikers think about - food, water, miles, towns, shelters, gear, other hikers, weather, poop. Outside the rare individual who gives off bad vibes, everyone is welcome and welcoming, creating a general sense of community and support.
  • I had a well defined goal, obvious steps to take to achieve it, and made progress every day. The goal: walk to the northern terminus. The plan: wake up, break camp, walk. Every day, I could lay down in bed and look at my map, celebrating the progress I'd made, seeing how much closer I was to some landmark like a town, a mountaintop vista, or a significant mile marker. With a clear goal like this and few other distractions, my sense of time dialated significantly - the present moment became paramount. The next few and previous few miles were all that mattered. Yesterday and tomorrow were significant markers in my mind. But the town I was in 3 days ago, I felt I hadn't seen in years. And when I started the trail? What I would do when I finished? That was another lifetime.

All these things, I think, contributed to my physical and mental health. And doing so, they either (a) improved my immune system enough that the common cold was stamped out long before my body had to create congestion to deal with it, or (b) my immune system wasn't overreacting to a relatively minor threat, and was simply taking care of these minor viral infections in the background without bothering me

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Probably worth mentioning, that the benefits of this can be reaped in part just by being and walking in nature every day. Especially on the mental health side, in some places of the world, I think it’s a general concept called “forest bathing” or similar.

I’ve never done a hike longer than 100km, which means I’ve never been on the trail for more than a few days at a time.

However, I’ve noticed the same effects ever since I started doing that more frequently. I’m much less prone to falling properly sick than any of my friends or family, whenever my partner falls ill, I typically go through a mild similar thing in a few days time, but often survive without even fever, when they can be bedridden for weeks, even. I might get some signs of a flu or whatever, but so much milder. It’s not unusual that I just entirely skip being sick at all, even mild symptoms, even if my entire household is struggling in bed with fever. And I tend to be the caretaker then, so ample opportunity for the bugs to pass on to me, constantly.

And every time I realize I’m falling unusually sick, I realize that it’s been some months since my last hike.

And if I just keep doing a hike or two biannually and otherwise visit the forests or the lakes or whatever at least once a week, even if just briefly due to stress and work and all, I am so much less prone to proper sickness, but having any sickness at all in general too!

So this is mostly for those who read the OP I’m responding to and thinking, it’d be nice to afford 6 months of a vacation — you need not! It works, even if this is just an anecdote, with fewer efforts and much more casual execution too! And it has been studied a lot, although take it with a grain of salt because I haven’t stored any of the studies/papers of the abstracts I’ve read just passing by thanks to my adhd curiousness.

I think the consensus is, nevertheless, that there are provable, observable benefits of being in nature, even if just a bit at a time, even if not all that frequently. But I’m not a researcher or work in these kinds of fields, so just be wary that I might be overselling or even misrepresenting it. But I feel fairly confident in saying so.

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Is there a Best of Lemmy? This should definitely be on there. Kudos.

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Loved reading this. I found exactly the same on the long hikes I’ve done. Havent done Apalachian trail, but have done The Camino, Francigena, Kumano Kodo.

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When I have a cold I wear a cloth mask to bed and that actually helps reduce the sore throat I get from breathing dry air. Also, it does a pretty good job of preventing my partner from getting sick as well!

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Your immune system and the virus are at war, the symptoms are collateral damage.

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Some of those symptoms are caused by the virus as part of its strategy for spreading. They make you likely to leak infectious fluid from your nose and mouth. Meanwhile your body has to learn how to recognize a virus that has evolved to be hard to recognize (and do that without also accidentally "recognizing" some of your own cells and killing you) and then track down every last virus. And there can be billions of viruses, many of which are hiding inside your own cells.

You'd spoil about as fast as food left out of the fridge (but due to bacteria and fungi, not viruses) if not for the constant battle your immune system fights.

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It's more like colds are incredibly good at responding to the human body. Following the evolution of corona was quite amazing, no?

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lemmy.world

I think that the real wonderment is that, even though we know the way virusses are distributed. And that social distancing is adamant in preventing that distribution, we simple tend to ignore this and spreading that shit like crazy.

That weird behaviour costs our economy millions.

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lemmy.world

That “weird behavior” of close, social cooperation is why we’re the apex predators of this planet, for better or worse.

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Akasazhreply
lemmy.world

Well in that era we were blissfully unaware of the cause of disease, so it wasn't that weird.

Today it is

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Sure, but you unfortunately can’t just toss out millions of years of evolutionary programming just because it’s no longer convenient. Hence, extinction is a thing.

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it's funny because I'm AFAB but NB with a husband and I'm the one who gets the man-flu.

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lemmy.today

its worst if you allergies , or ashtma. humans are somewhat brachycephalic, so we are prone to breathing issues, or nasal disruptions. you know dogs with this type of conditions have a whole host of breathing and other issues.

getting flu and covid, rsv, or another viral infection is much worst than a cold.

are you sure this isnt covid, the current one causes severe sore throat, and painful swallowing. i just went through nimbus variant like 2 weeks ago and this what it caused. cold almost never causes this.

it sounds more like COVID.

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Not really. While COVID does indeed go through the roof atm in the northern hemisphere, bacterial supra infections are fairly common for flu patients.

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Luckily part of our body is the brain and some brains are very good at finding solutions to our body’s problems. Break the cycle by getting a decongestant spray, ibuprofen and a neti pot.

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programming.dev

Simple:

  1. Drink water
  2. I Clear the snot in the wash basin every 30 minutes
  3. I Don't drink the snot that comes in backwards from your my nose, no matter how lazy you are I am feeling
    • spit it out in the wash basin
    • this way you I don't get cough
  4. I don't take paracetamol or symptomatic relief medicine, instead keep 2-3 handkerchiefs to keep it clean
  5. Sinuses blocked and blowing nose is not enough, there is a medicine for it. But if you can, try some mace and nutmeg powder instead.
  6. Fever? Yes. I Sleep with it.
    • Feeling weak, I take some ORS (the one with sugar in it)

And the most important part, don't go around coughing/snorting it at other people.

Sinuses blocked

There's 2 types of medicines for this.
1 will dry up your nose, essentially stopping the exit of pathogens via that vector. The other will convert blocked-nose to running nose.
The 2nd one is desirable, if you want it to actually get fixed. Of course, you will need to clean your nose more often, as a result.

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nimbus

Ah man too many variants to keep track of.

When I got COVID, it luckily wasn't too bad. None of the "loss of senses" stuff.
Just had some weakness and reduced metabolism (ok, I did get pretty slim in the wrong places) for ~ a month and was then kinda fine.
The second time I got it, only a little weakness. I even walked over to the clinic for testing, alone.

And I'd call that very lucky, considering that the common flu, the next year, ended up being worse on me.

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Pump ur body with vitamins and lean protein it gives ur body all the components it needs to fight as effectively as possible. U will be on the mend in less than a day. Or maybe I'm just weird. Counter intuitively if its covid nicotine in a form that won't irritate ur throat actually inhibits its ability to attach ur body as effectively.

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lemmy.world

Dunno why you’re getting downvoted, I’ve seen the nicotine/covid studies too. Take my upvote

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It's for the first half. There's no objective evidence this approach works. The OP may also recover from colds quickly without the vitamin / protein intervention, may judge symptoms differently, or may not accurately track results (e.g. dismiss cases where the opposite was true).

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bluGillreply
fedia.io

Every study I've seen says that vitamins make not difference in the majority of cases. Low vitamin levels can have cold like symptoms, and in that case vitamins will fix the problem.

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

OP is definitely hilariously exaggerating it, but it certainly can't hurt to make sure your body has all the nutrients it needs, and placebo shouldn't be discounted.

In my experience and from my good but not professional knowledge, the most objectively beneficial thing is just to stay well hydrated and eat something. You need that to feel good even if you're not sick, and when you're fighting an infection your body is going to be diverting energy to things like fever rather than the stomach, so easy to digest is very important.

And what's something that has lots of vitamins and minerals and easy to digest calories while also being filled with water? Fruit! (noodles are also a good option, easy to digest plus there's broth so you get more water)
Then add on the fact that e.g. citrus just viscerally feels fresh and like it should help with illness, and you have a very convincing reason to get a bag of mandarins to snack on while you're sick.

It won't cure a cold overnight, but it might well bring enough relief that it's not a full week of wanting to die, and if it has absolutely no effect then oh no you ate a bunch of healthy stuff how terrible.

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bluGillreply
fedia.io

There is a difference between vitamins and food. Food has nutrition: not just vitamins but calories, fiber, and such. Vitamins mostly make your pee expensive as your body has to work to get rid of the excess to keep the right balance.

sometimes vitamins are needed - see your doctor for advice not internet comments. without medical advice vitamens are wasting money

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

you seem to be talking about supplements, not vitamins. Fruit is decidedly not expensive unless you live on the mcmurdo antarctic research station.

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People talking about vitamins universially mean suppliments. Whole foods are better, but people talk about eating healty then (also meaningless but potentially better)

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I do the same. Whenever I'm ill, I eat a lot of canned fish (no cooking required, and it's not nice cooking in a horrible headache).

I tend to get well very soon even if the illness has felt very bad. And sometimes when I don't do the same, for whatever reason, I remain ill much longer.

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lemmy.zip

Eating a toe of raw garlic is about the only real remedy. Because it's slime covers the throat and some ingredients suport the body in defending. Lime blossom (? Lindenblüten) tea has a similiar effect but less potent and accelerates the metabolism (i.e. you get hot) instead.

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lemmy.world

I've heard garlic has anti bacterial properties, does this actually work? I'll eat a whole bulb of garlic, I don't care.

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lemmy.zip

For me, it does. It's a case of woah and then i've read up the why. But really chew it good (nose will instantly get free too) and bite through it.

But still, it's only suporting; mileage may vary. And too much will get you an upset stomach.

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Morning update: Had 1 clove with dinner. Throat was still sore when I was going to bed but much better when I woke up. Although without a control group, I don't know how much recovery to attribute to the garlic. But I do feel better!

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lemmy.today

this sounds alot like nimbus variant, covid than a cold. i had it recently and i had the symptoms you described, the painful sore throat, swallowing, the headaches though not a s severe as yours. bronchitis as well.

a cold causes alot of sneezing, and a mild sore throat at most, plus congestion in the nasal area. it almost never causes painful sore throat, and the coughing /bronchitis usually occurs after the fever, and when the cold resolves.

with covid you coughing/bronchitis right form the start of the fever. i couldnt swallow food or water for a few days, but i was hacking/coughing thick sputum for that long.

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Ugh I hope it isn't covid. I don't have time for that. My throat doesn't hurt when I drink or eat, it's just painful when I'm trying to sleep because it gets so dry. The headache lasted about 4 days but I've had a few episodes of cluster headaches in the past that felt the same. Same spot on my head and frequency so I wrote it off as stress and lack of sleep triggering it. Almost no sneezing, mild cough with clear mucus. Night sweats the last couple days but it's been 6 days already so hopefully I've gotten through most of it. I think you're right though, it seems worse than just a cold.

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lemmy.ca

I'll admit I'm a sample size of one with no counterfactual, but I started using Vicks First Defence about 4 years ago and in that time the few colds I've had were much briefer and milder than they were previously.

It's a kind of mega-mucus spray that performs the same mechanical action as snot to physically get the virus out of your body, only a lot more aggressively. It's briefly unpleasant to use but usually worth it. (I am not paid by Vicks)

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lemmy.world

I usually try to take on sicknesses as natural as possible so I've never come across this first defence stuff but it does look promising from what I'm seeing, I really only get colds (starting to think what I have no isn't a cold now though because it's been kinda severe) once every 4 or 5 years but I'll give it a shot next time if I remember.

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lemmy.ca

I think it's good for people who don't like taking drugs because technically it's not a drug; its mode of action doesn't rely on altering your body chemistry. It's more like a powerful nose flush.

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I promise I’m not a bot. People really don’t seem to like it when you say you like something huh.

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Ikr I'm also suffering from this rn, but in my case throw on chills until I pop paracetamol and then I'm on a grill, bone aches like I got Raynaud's in my legs... Yup it's flu time!

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I find the over the counter cold meds at least handle the congestion pretty dang well. A few hot baths a day for sickness body pain/joint inflammation. I don't get headaches so the worst part is the throat for me usually. Cough syrup or the drops are useless I find.

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Some people get them from common colds. Just be happy you do not.

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feddit.org

What's the point? Genuine question, what advantage do you get from knowing if it's covid or just a cold?

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Mestonereply
lemmy.world

If you test positive in the first 3 days of having symptoms, you can get a Rx for Paxlovid which will shorten the duration and severity of symptoms, and help you avoid long covid or complications.

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But after that it does nothing, and even in the first three days, it does nothing for about half of users.

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lemmy.ml

It answers OP's question about why they are so miserable from a cold. It could be that it isn't a cold.

It also means they should isolate longer to not spread the virus, and (IDK what is currently recommended these days) maybe seek antiviral treatments. Plus it can explain lingering symptoms after apparent recovery.

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It answers OP's question about why they are so miserable from a cold. It could be that it isn't a cold.

OP never said those symptoms are unusual for him with a cold. I for one get no symptoms from covid other than diarrhea, whilst I get exactly what OP describes from a common cold

It also means they should isolate longer to not spread the virus

They should do that regardless

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One thing i haven't really seen brought up is that all of these symptoms are severe symptoms that the body has to resort to when less extreme measures aren't enough.

I've noticed many times where i only got slightly sick, like a slight fever for not even an entire day, or i just suddenly feel lethargic and the next day i'm back to normal.
And when i do get severely sick, i make sure to take it extremely easy and keep myself hydrated and fed with something easily digestible along with just doing very very gentle exercise (like, stuff an old person would do at rehab). Since i started being this careful when i get sick it's gotten WAY less miserable.
Like, instead of a week of just sleeping as much as possible because i have 0 energy and everything is pain; it's 1-2 weeks that starts with the symptoms ramping up over a day or two, being uncomfortable but able to do things, then needing a few painkillers to be functional for 1-2 days, and then it goes in reverse until the sickness has petered back out.

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lemmy.world

People still get a cold? I haven't seen one since zicam became a thing. Lots of flu variations fucking people up though.

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That's basically all it is. Rhinoviruses don't hang with zinc. The vitamin C is probably just to keep you from gagging on the taste.

It's the quickest way to tell if it's a cold or some other flu. If Zycam works, it's some variant of a rhinovirus, and it'll be dead in a couple days. If it doesn't work, you've made some other viral friend. The other cold like strains don't seem to give a shit about zinc, so if it's not immediately obvious it's working within about 30 minutes, move on to other remedies. If it is working, don't over do it, you can fuck up your sinuses with too much zinc.

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All of them aren't. Just the ones that did not attend to their general healththroughout their lives by abuses, or were born immunocompromised.

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