Breaking News: the entire text of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood was found to be engraved on bullet casings left at the scene, according to a source. So we should ban that book from all schools, fr fr.
30.06, roughly the same size, mainly a difference in case size, with the 30.06 being a little longer with room for more powder. Either way there'd be plenty of room for an UWU or three on the bullet, and the case of the 30.06 could fit at least 6 UWUs
No it was “Notices bulges OWO what’s this?”. Other messages were: “Hey fascist! Catch!” Up arrow symbol, right arrow, three down arrow symbols (Helldivers 2 code for Eagle 500kg Bomb) and “If you read this, you are gay lmao” and “Oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao”.
Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi's alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.
So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.
Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.
"Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in).
I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not.
A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions.
I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.
The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible.
The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.
I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.
I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that?
The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.)
[Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay." CBS News
It's fucking wild that the Right can be opposed to human rights and anti-fascism and millions of people are somehow still gaslit in believing they're the good guys.
It's this exact point for me. "Antifascist" is being taken at face value and simultaneously being tarred as antisocial rhetoric. What the actual fuck has gone on? If the belief that "antifascist" is a cover or a dogwhistle, then shouldn't you attempt to separate their political orientation away from those words? "They aren't antifascist. They are political dissidents claiming all of their political enemies are 'fascists'."
Instead, we have: "No, they ARE antifascists and they are our enemies!" Why did we let them stigmatize the word "antifascist"?
In related news, doctors were amazed they kept pulling books and scrolls from the body, placed there by the bullets.
“It’s amazing” said the orange as quoted by the wsj, “apparently books like this can kill. I’m sure he could have survived the wound without the additional poisoning.”
In response to this, reaction forces were posed to raid the libraries of all elementary schools within the washington dc area
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter /
Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say
The WSJ is not going to have first hand access to the evidence, so they have to report (transparently!) what they're told by credible sources. In this case, it sounds like law enforcement --- supposed to be credible --- is not. It's a pretty tricky thing to report on.
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter /
Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say
So basically the federal agencies cannot be trusted here and have clearly shown their political partisanship and they got what they wanted in circulating their official false narrative to provoke political violence on the right against the lbgtq community and whatever the fuck they call the left.
Because that's literally what they did, every right wing advocate for political violence has been clamoring about this non fucking stop and the government here has no shame about it.
Total BS. Engraving on a small, curved surface, legibly is hard as hell. Then that bullet is going to get grooved in a rifled barrel, and most likely deform or fragment on impact.
We should probably be talking about how Trump used a fucking AI video to address Charlie Kirk's death. There's a good chance Trump is doing this as a false flag
I’d be shocked if this wasn’t a decision directly from Trump and his magat minions they follow him around to distract from Epstein and further slide America in the hell hole of fascism that it’s facing.
Hurry up Americans. You won’t have an America soon at this rate.
No way in fuck they purposely had Kirk assassinated.
His job as a propagandist / hate spreader is way too important and influential to stop
they could’ve martyred a similarly famous, but less influential, republican and gotten the same response
they’re going to go forward with their plan- they don’t need an excuse
this happened in a red state, why wouldn’t they pick a blue state?
I really don’t think Epstein files matter that much for republicans. A video could come out of Trump raping a child and it would be chalked up to ai and they wouldn’t believe it
the news cycle is so short- this won’t remain a hot topic for a long amount of time
It’s a convenient distraction, sure, but it’s been proven time and time again that they don’t need distractions to carry out policy. If there’s any conspiracy to be had, it would be surrounding the (relatively) unanimous rhetoric that his death was a tragedy. When kids die in Gaza everyday, a regular citizen is shot, or someone kills themselves because of financial strain we don’t debate the morals of their unjust death. However when a famous white man is killed he isn’t just a statistic but an example of how awful people can be.
I think Kirk was a major reason for an uptick in republican youth voters because he was so famous on social media. I’ve noticed young men my age, who vote democrat, like a reel featuring Charlie Kirk because he “owned a silly lib” in an amusing way. His job was touring college campuses- upon invitation from college students- to spread hate and try to convince young people that their politics and identity were wrong.
I would compare him to Andrew Tate because they spread a relatively similar sermon of hate and individualism, but Tate isn’t a political activist. He doesn’t bring people to the polls like a Charlie Kirk can. Another comparison would be Trump, but Trump can never relate to the youth because he’s still just an old man.
I agree he’ll get replaced and this won’t really slow down the machine, but the man had quite the impact on young people.
You’re giving Israel the type of credit they want bruh. They are not running a world control conspiracy 😭 They don’t have power over the USA, the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it. Yes Mossad gets up to fucked up stuff, but they are not about to murder famous American political figures and face the repercussions.
What does Netanyahu tweeting even mean as well. He’s not giving you a hint into some grand conspiracy that would require countless lies and people involved. That line of thinking is the same bs that the alt right falls for
Yeah, but on the other hand, cell phone bombs, followed by pager bombs, and hacking the air gapped Iran centrifuges, literally selling the software to hack into any phone....
Yeah those are all things USA and other western powers want to invest in but don’t want to get their hands dirty with. They could put a stop to all that or do it themselves but don’t want to
the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it.
Hey Joe Dirt! Do you want or need a colonial presence in the middle east?
uhmm... no, why?
Because Israel wants us to, and it will serve our homegrown neo-nazi supremacist agenda.
uhmm... Brandyyyyyy?
Controlling middle east oil is easier with Zionazi supremacist rule over US, and laundering election funding through state gifts to Israel. But Jordan, KSA, and other US colonies would have an easier time receiving US bribes of friendship without Zionazism.
Yeah Crowder would've been the sacrificial pawn. Like, clearly there's some gender stuff going on over there (and therefore risk of defection), very small propaganda power to star power ratio, and generally seems disliked by his colleagues.
Sorta like how if they were going to kill one of their senators it would be Cruz or Graham.
No good marksman is carving anything on a bullet or casing. You want it to work. Carving the bullet means changing the ballistics, carving the casing means potentially making the round not chamber or having a misfire from a busted casing.
I think I know what you're driving at, but first let me address what you actually said real quick. A bolt action rifle does absolutely have a chamber, the chamber is the rearmost part of the barrel where the round sits and is held in place before firing. Its fitted to the specific round that the gun is designed to use to create a gas seal to ensure the projectile can be propelled down the barrel.
What I believe you were driving at is that, due to the chambering mechanism on a bolt action rifle being manually operated, as opposed to relying on the recoil action/gas discharge of the firearm to drive the bolt back and a spring to drive it forward, means that it less likely to jam or fail to seat. This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile. You're less likely to see a stovepipe, I've only seen it when the case managed to fall back into the action instead of being ejected off to the side, but a complete failure to eject, a failure to seat or even a double feed are all possible 'jams' with a bolt action rifle.
I can think of a few possible but highly unlikely scenarios for a typical bolt action rifle to do this, but nothing that would be easy to duplicate. Generally the bolt handle will be at least passively 'locked' in place by the geometry of the bolt and rifle, and sometimes actively locked in place. If the bolt handle isn't fully seated, there really shouldn't be a way for the firing pin to release. Wear and lack of maintenance could cause an issue like this, but I would expect the incident would be repeatable.
This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile.
True, but you'd really need to jack up the engraving to get it to jam, and in a case like this, you're unlikely to need or want a second shot anyway. The only real reason to bring multiple rounds is in case of a misfire (unlikely to be caused by an engraving), because once you fire, you're running if you want any shot of getting away. So it getting stuck ejecting isn't really an issue, and that's already an incredibly remote chance.
And I don't understand how you'd double feed here. The shooter obviously had some training and was only going to take one shot anyway.
Sure, but you'd need to go pretty deep to cause issues. Casings are quite thick, and need to be to contain the explosion. An engraving like this would only be superficial.
Sounds like they're saying the un-shot ammunition found with the rifle had the engravings. If I'm mistaken on that, could you please link to where they're saying bullet specifically?
Still, as someone who's tried to paint tea cups, have to agree, curved surfaces are a bitch to mark legibly (probably harder on the smaller surface of a bullet casing).
None of those comments offer anything to suggest its not AI. To me its very clearly ai. Trump these days cannot speak properly and in that video he speaks clear and consistent and uses no hand gestures. He also looks younger and the video is low rez.
If it was engraved, it would be on the casing, not the bullet. I imagine many journalists don't actually know the difference, and most readers probably wouldn't as well.
That said, I agree, I don't see why the shooter would spend the time. If there were any markings, I'm going to guess they're permanent marker, because that's way easier to do.
My money is on this being completely bogus. I believe they found the rifle (first rule of murder school is to not bring the weapon with you), but I do not believe they found engraved bullets, because that's kind of ridiculous.
Apparently the bullets did have some engravings, but they said benign shit like "Here fascist, catch!" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO", but nothing antifa or trans related
On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology” engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.
On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.
I hope a trans person did shoot him and I hope they get away with it. Kirk made his living by terrorizing and dehumanizing queer folks and I’m happy he finally got to the FO stage. Hopefully seeing daddy get blown away will ensure his kid doesn’t grow up to be as bigoted and the lesson is learned.
Oh Gods I hope this isn't the case. The right would start foaming at the mouth and could start rounding us up as threats.
It's also... a little ghoulish to speak about a kid losing their parent that way. Whatever you think of the man his kid's grief isn't exactly something to celebrate. I get not mourning the man but celebrating his death isn't going to help us trans folks in the end. I have a feeling that this is going to get a whole lot worse for all of us as a people very quickly and as a whole we're already a group hanging on by our fingertips.
the bullets were not engraved, though potentially marked w/ permanent marker or something - engraving takes a lot of work, and I doubt someone skilled w/ a firearm would bother
the primary suspect is the right person - they arrested/detained two others, and quickly let them go
they have some biometrics - I watched a report where they recovered palm, forarm, and shoe prints, no fingerprints as of yet
I'm guessing the perp isn't a student there, otherwise they would've been able to get a name from school records.
I guess we'll see how close I am, but in the meantime, I hope these sources are of interest to others.
Edit: Looks like they got the guy (Tyler Robinson), and I was pretty close. Some details:
attended Utah State (not where the shooting happened) for one semester, then dropped out and attended Dixie Tech in St. George (about 4 hours south)
bullets were allegedly engraved and the text is available, though no pictures AFAICT
apparently he was conservative, at least a few years prior, though not a fan of Trump or Kirk
turned himself in when his parents confronted him
We'll probably learn a ton of additional irrelevant details soon. He doesn't seem like a crazy person, just likely radicalized by the internet.
Guesswork on the caliber based on 'sound' is entirely unuseful- silencers exist and acoustics are mysterious at the best times. Edit: since they apparently found the rifle, the chambering should be listed- guesswork is now totally obsolete.
And concerning engraving bullets: that would supremely fuck with the ballistics. You could engrave the case if you felt so inclined, I guess...
Nobody carves bullets, but most people would consider the casing part of the bullet. Journalists are often imprecise, especially with things they're not familiar with.
Wait when did they find the weapon?? Last I heard they didn't have the weapon and the 2 people they arrested were the wrong guy. So it sounds like the shooter didn't leave the gun behind, so I would expect them to only get the weapon if they got the shooter unless I missed something between yesterday and today.
Edit: Found the update that I missed from the FBI this morning, they apparently found the weapon in a "wooded area", so shooter still unknown
Recent reports indicate a bolt action rifle was found wrapped in a towel in the woods, one empty casing in the chamber, three more live rounds in the mag.
Yup. I live relatively close to this area, and there are plenty of trees. Why? Because it's a university in a relatively densely populated part of the city (i.e. apartments for students).
I imagine "woods" is a bit generous here though, it's more likely a copse of trees. There aren't any real forests in the valley, but there are areas with a bunch of trees that someone in the desert would refer to as a forest. The real forests are in the canyons and on the east side of the mountains (i.e. Uintah Nat'l Forest, Cache Nat'l Forest, etc).
Utah being a "desert" is a bit of a misnomer. It's not like the Arabian Peninsula or the Senora Desert, it just doesn't get a ton of rain, and we get most of our water in the winter. But there are still underground water systems and of course municipal irrigation.
A lot of the famous national parks are mostly rock (Zion, Arches, etc), but we also have a few national forests and the ski areas are all pretty wooded.
UVU campus is built into a hill, and many of the hills have a fair amount of trees, especially near the lake where the water table is higher (and UVU is only a mile or so away).
And transgender ideology? What is that? To be nice to transgender people?
If I were to frame it in terms of an ideology - that we should be allowed to pursue happiness and comfort aided by the backing of scientific evidence to ensure we are safe. That our lives not be rendered into terms where reproductive function or lack thereof dictates how we must live our lives.
And that while we do not demand full metaphysical submission of belief of other people that we are our gender it should be acknowledged that our social engineering mechanisms are a kindness that allow us greater room to psychologicaly function. These absences of accommodation in professional situations or public design causes either our livelihoods or accessibility to spaces or facets of society to become hardships above and beyond the average citizen.
I personally do not care if someone is "nice" to me or not. I care about being able to leave their vacinity if they are being an ass and that my safety and job security isn't effected by me being trans.
No, he wlleft the rifle on purpose. Easier to just throw away especially if the killer unknown to police. Back in the day mobsters would just leave the gun after a hit.
NBC is reporting a casing reading "notices, bulges, OWO, what's this?", which I'm guessing is what's being spun as a trans thing (lol, lmao even). The "hey fascist, catch" and Bella Ciao ones are pretty clearly antifascist.
I interpreted antifascist as being linked to the group "Antifa" specifically, which..... just calling someone a fascist (even if they are one) by itself wouldn't count as
This false flag operation is insanely piss poor. It's like they were all sat in a room and told one of them was going to be scarified to initiate a civil war and here is your rhetoric start immediately saying the exact same thing.
And who has the most to gain? Couch fucker picking off his presidential rivals...
Aint nobody gonna engrave a bullet casing with anything outside of manufacturing environment. Anyone with that capability isnt doing it for free either
According to the WSJ there was just one spent round still chambered and three more in the magazine. So, still really stupid sounding as a theory but it's at least internally consistent.
The TRN was a label put on by the manufacturer of the bullets, which they decided stood for “trans”. There was also a reference to a video game that consisted of a series of arrows, they decided the up and right arrows stood for male to female, then ignored all the other arrows.
Brilliant people working on this case, I’ll tell ya what.
It was an inside job by a professional. There were two guys doing umpire signals to his immediate right. King pedo Karen just wants an excuse to declare martial law
This is why I'm against extreme violence. "The Left" will end up like the Palestinians.
“More people will be murdered if the Left isn’t crushed with the power of the state,” Loomer added.
Even President Donald Trump blamed the shooting on “radical left political violence” in an Oval Office address Wednesday night.
William Wolfe, another Christian nationalist and a former Trump administration official, posted a video of the shooting with the comment: “The. Left. Must. Be. Destroyed.” In a separate tweet, he wrote, “The Democrats and the Left must be crushed. The goal for Republicans in the next ten years shouldn’t just be to win elections, but to destroy the Democrat Party entirely and salt the earth underneath it.”
The left can sit in a corner and play nice. It doesnt matter, facists have to induce fear in order to gain control. They'll manufacture it they have to.
Breaking News: the entire text of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood was found to be engraved on bullet casings left at the scene, according to a source. So we should ban that book from all schools, fr fr.
Alberta did that last month.
Transgender ideology? Did they write UWU on the bullet?
Linux kernel source code was engraved in the bullet
"I run Arch btw"
a bullet but with cat ears and a choker
How big was the bullet??
I think it was a .308
30.06, roughly the same size, mainly a difference in case size, with the 30.06 being a little longer with room for more powder. Either way there'd be plenty of room for an UWU or three on the bullet, and the case of the 30.06 could fit at least 6 UWUs
You seem suspiciously knowledgeable about engraving UWU on bullets…
Can fit atleast 11 UWUs probably 9 OWOs
There were 1 OwO btw.
Not a .196?
They literally did apparently
No it was “Notices bulges OWO what’s this?”. Other messages were: “Hey fascist! Catch!” Up arrow symbol, right arrow, three down arrow symbols (Helldivers 2 code for Eagle 500kg Bomb) and “If you read this, you are gay lmao” and “Oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao”.
Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi's alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.
Typically you would engrave the casing. That goes nowhere near the target.
So yeah.
Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence to make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense.
So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.
Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.
"Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in).
I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not.
Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home.
Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle.
an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far
A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions.
I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.
easier to track
Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation?
The casing doesn't leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back. Also, 100 yards (300 feet).
e: I'm now hearing 200 yards.
The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible.
There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message.
In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism.
Kurt Cobain wants to know how to add a community comment
Bruh. Too soon, man.
John Wilkes Booth?
Hehehe. Noice.
The casing that the shooter took with them?
Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired?
This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn't even in the USA at this point.
The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.
I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.
I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that?
The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.)
Satanic Panic is back
"transgender ideology" is not a thing. That's the type of shit transphobes pull out of their ass when they're trying to attack trans folks
I think transgender ideology is "we're human".
It's fucking wild that the Right can be opposed to human rights and anti-fascism and millions of people are somehow still gaslit in believing they're the good guys.
It's this exact point for me. "Antifascist" is being taken at face value and simultaneously being tarred as antisocial rhetoric. What the actual fuck has gone on? If the belief that "antifascist" is a cover or a dogwhistle, then shouldn't you attempt to separate their political orientation away from those words? "They aren't antifascist. They are political dissidents claiming all of their political enemies are 'fascists'."
Instead, we have: "No, they ARE antifascists and they are our enemies!" Why did we let them stigmatize the word "antifascist"?
Because the next step is to get people to see Fascism as a positive, much like Kirk wanted us to see Empathy as a negative
I can see something engraved like "uwu" be interpreted that way by MSM.
EDIT: CALLED IT! "Notices bulges OwO"
...I kinda hope that's exactly what was engraved.
so disappointed it wasn't the "notices bulges OwO what's this" bullet that got him
Imagine dying to a bullet with uwu on it
worse ways to go (• ω •)
I always thought uwu was more of a furry thing, right?
Imagine knowing your nazi hero was shot by a fucking furry lmao
In related news, doctors were amazed they kept pulling books and scrolls from the body, placed there by the bullets.
“It’s amazing” said the orange as quoted by the wsj, “apparently books like this can kill. I’m sure he could have survived the wound without the additional poisoning.”
In response to this, reaction forces were posed to raid the libraries of all elementary schools within the washington dc area
seems like this wasnt even an accurate report
https://bsky.app/profile/thelincoln.bsky.social/post/3lyl5ljm2h22m
My shocked Pikachu face is shocked at this shocking shock.
but WSJ ran with it.
Can you believe, once upon a tine long long ago The Wall Street Journal actually had integrity in journalism.
Now it's a billionaire's plaything.
Honestly, been alive for forty plus years now and no, they've never had integrity in journalism.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-e7f3eae4
The WSJ is not going to have first hand access to the evidence, so they have to report (transparently!) what they're told by credible sources. In this case, it sounds like law enforcement --- supposed to be credible --- is not. It's a pretty tricky thing to report on.
Wall Street Murdoch not wrong! Clicks go up!
Not seeing other outlets report this. So yeah I'm skeptical.
The trashier ones reported on it, but then they're not on the front page anymore.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b
It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-e7f3eae4
So basically the federal agencies cannot be trusted here and have clearly shown their political partisanship and they got what they wanted in circulating their official false narrative to provoke political violence on the right against the lbgtq community and whatever the fuck they call the left.
Because that's literally what they did, every right wing advocate for political violence has been clamoring about this non fucking stop and the government here has no shame about it.
2A up people, it's going to get bad.
The proliferation of guns is directly responsible for why are here now. I really hope you are being ironic.
Total BS. Engraving on a small, curved surface, legibly is hard as hell. Then that bullet is going to get grooved in a rifled barrel, and most likely deform or fragment on impact.
We should probably be talking about how Trump used a fucking AI video to address Charlie Kirk's death. There's a good chance Trump is doing this as a false flag
False flag is exactly what this is.
I’d be shocked if this wasn’t a decision directly from Trump and his magat minions they follow him around to distract from Epstein and further slide America in the hell hole of fascism that it’s facing.
Hurry up Americans. You won’t have an America soon at this rate.
Line item number 2.
No way in fuck they purposely had Kirk assassinated.
It’s a convenient distraction, sure, but it’s been proven time and time again that they don’t need distractions to carry out policy. If there’s any conspiracy to be had, it would be surrounding the (relatively) unanimous rhetoric that his death was a tragedy. When kids die in Gaza everyday, a regular citizen is shot, or someone kills themselves because of financial strain we don’t debate the morals of their unjust death. However when a famous white man is killed he isn’t just a statistic but an example of how awful people can be.
I doubt it too, but you are exaggerating this man's importance and influence to an absurd degree. He'll be replaced by another grifter in weeks.
I think Kirk was a major reason for an uptick in republican youth voters because he was so famous on social media. I’ve noticed young men my age, who vote democrat, like a reel featuring Charlie Kirk because he “owned a silly lib” in an amusing way. His job was touring college campuses- upon invitation from college students- to spread hate and try to convince young people that their politics and identity were wrong.
I would compare him to Andrew Tate because they spread a relatively similar sermon of hate and individualism, but Tate isn’t a political activist. He doesn’t bring people to the polls like a Charlie Kirk can. Another comparison would be Trump, but Trump can never relate to the youth because he’s still just an old man.
I agree he’ll get replaced and this won’t really slow down the machine, but the man had quite the impact on young people.
Yeah, agree. They could have offed Laura Loomer for a tenth of the price and worked just as much viral juice out of it.
Besides, i really don’t care, do u?
You’re one level too low.
You’re giving Israel the type of credit they want bruh. They are not running a world control conspiracy 😭 They don’t have power over the USA, the USA wants a colonial presence in the Middle East and supporting Israel is the easiest way to do it. Yes Mossad gets up to fucked up stuff, but they are not about to murder famous American political figures and face the repercussions.
What does Netanyahu tweeting even mean as well. He’s not giving you a hint into some grand conspiracy that would require countless lies and people involved. That line of thinking is the same bs that the alt right falls for
Yeah, but on the other hand, cell phone bombs, followed by pager bombs, and hacking the air gapped Iran centrifuges, literally selling the software to hack into any phone....
Yeah those are all things USA and other western powers want to invest in but don’t want to get their hands dirty with. They could put a stop to all that or do it themselves but don’t want to
Hey Joe Dirt! Do you want or need a colonial presence in the middle east?
uhmm... no, why?
Because Israel wants us to, and it will serve our homegrown neo-nazi supremacist agenda.
uhmm... Brandyyyyyy?
Controlling middle east oil is easier with Zionazi supremacist rule over US, and laundering election funding through state gifts to Israel. But Jordan, KSA, and other US colonies would have an easier time receiving US bribes of friendship without Zionazism.
Israel doesn't control the world. Jews don't control the world. Look at the place, does the world really look like it's under control?
Yeah Crowder would've been the sacrificial pawn. Like, clearly there's some gender stuff going on over there (and therefore risk of defection), very small propaganda power to star power ratio, and generally seems disliked by his colleagues.
Sorta like how if they were going to kill one of their senators it would be Cruz or Graham.
They're almost certainly saying bullet but meaning casing. But yes I have to say that it's pretty unlikely.
No good marksman is carving anything on a bullet or casing. You want it to work. Carving the bullet means changing the ballistics, carving the casing means potentially making the round not chamber or having a misfire from a busted casing.
It's most likely a bolt action rifle, there's nothing to chamber here...
I think I know what you're driving at, but first let me address what you actually said real quick. A bolt action rifle does absolutely have a chamber, the chamber is the rearmost part of the barrel where the round sits and is held in place before firing. Its fitted to the specific round that the gun is designed to use to create a gas seal to ensure the projectile can be propelled down the barrel.
What I believe you were driving at is that, due to the chambering mechanism on a bolt action rifle being manually operated, as opposed to relying on the recoil action/gas discharge of the firearm to drive the bolt back and a spring to drive it forward, means that it less likely to jam or fail to seat. This is true, for a variety of reasons, but a bolt action rifle can jam, especially if you go futzing around with the casing or the projectile. You're less likely to see a stovepipe, I've only seen it when the case managed to fall back into the action instead of being ejected off to the side, but a complete failure to eject, a failure to seat or even a double feed are all possible 'jams' with a bolt action rifle.
Any idea what could cause a bolt to fly back when fired once and function properly in the future? We were all stumped
I can think of a few possible but highly unlikely scenarios for a typical bolt action rifle to do this, but nothing that would be easy to duplicate. Generally the bolt handle will be at least passively 'locked' in place by the geometry of the bolt and rifle, and sometimes actively locked in place. If the bolt handle isn't fully seated, there really shouldn't be a way for the firing pin to release. Wear and lack of maintenance could cause an issue like this, but I would expect the incident would be repeatable.
Pretty much the conclusion we came to, buy a lottery ticket it's more likely.
That would be my guess. A broken bolt seating.
True, but you'd really need to jack up the engraving to get it to jam, and in a case like this, you're unlikely to need or want a second shot anyway. The only real reason to bring multiple rounds is in case of a misfire (unlikely to be caused by an engraving), because once you fire, you're running if you want any shot of getting away. So it getting stuck ejecting isn't really an issue, and that's already an incredibly remote chance.
And I don't understand how you'd double feed here. The shooter obviously had some training and was only going to take one shot anyway.
Engrave too deep and you will get a misfire. If you want to put a message on your casings, better to use a sharpie or paint pen.
Sure, but you'd need to go pretty deep to cause issues. Casings are quite thick, and need to be to contain the explosion. An engraving like this would only be superficial.
Sounds like they're saying the un-shot ammunition found with the rifle had the engravings. If I'm mistaken on that, could you please link to where they're saying bullet specifically?
Still, as someone who's tried to paint tea cups, have to agree, curved surfaces are a bitch to mark legibly (probably harder on the smaller surface of a bullet casing).
Be careful about spreading the AI story. I view it as debunked unless you’ve got something better than this exchange:
https://lemmy.world/comment/19332953
None of those comments offer anything to suggest its not AI. To me its very clearly ai. Trump these days cannot speak properly and in that video he speaks clear and consistent and uses no hand gestures. He also looks younger and the video is low rez.
If it was engraved, it would be on the casing, not the bullet. I imagine many journalists don't actually know the difference, and most readers probably wouldn't as well.
That said, I agree, I don't see why the shooter would spend the time. If there were any markings, I'm going to guess they're permanent marker, because that's way easier to do.
My money is on this being completely bogus. I believe they found the rifle (first rule of murder school is to not bring the weapon with you), but I do not believe they found engraved bullets, because that's kind of ridiculous.
[Squidward voice, but angrier] NO, PATRICK, TRANSGENDER IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY... PREGNANT IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY EITHER.
lol bet they also found The Communist Manifesto engraved on a nano scale on the bullet casing.
They found a etching on a wall of Hillary Clinton naked that the shooter did while waiting as well ... it was Banksy quality.
The bullet came from her emails!!
Buttery males!
Like how the IDF keeps finding "Mein Kampf" strewn across Gaza.
raped beheaded babies baked in ovens inside the bullets.
Already proven a hoax
Clowns all of them.
Apparently the bullets did have some engravings, but they said benign shit like "Here fascist, catch!" and "If you read this, you are gay LMAO", but nothing antifa or trans related
What's the Source: ?
I wanna share it with others who still believe it's true
This is statement from the WSJ
So they walked back their own claim, good good good.
They're walking back a claim that was so stupid that it could only be made up by a conspiracy theory idiot.
Yet they made it. Top notch US journalism here people
Now they're somewhat walking it back but that doesn't matter, that walking back part will be ignored, the damage has been done
Yup, it was said, now it is truth to a lot of people
Probably the person making the more believable claim.
The backpedaling on the WSJ's lie has begun:
On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.
I love newspeak
"our report was somewhat truth-adjacent"
Engraved on ammunition. We're at biblical levels of made up bullshit.
But it's good to know that it also ends biblically
I hope a trans person did shoot him and I hope they get away with it. Kirk made his living by terrorizing and dehumanizing queer folks and I’m happy he finally got to the FO stage. Hopefully seeing daddy get blown away will ensure his kid doesn’t grow up to be as bigoted and the lesson is learned.
I don't. I hope it was a MAGA nutjob or similar so the administration doesn't get a good boogeyman
Oh Gods I hope this isn't the case. The right would start foaming at the mouth and could start rounding us up as threats.
It's also... a little ghoulish to speak about a kid losing their parent that way. Whatever you think of the man his kid's grief isn't exactly something to celebrate. I get not mourning the man but celebrating his death isn't going to help us trans folks in the end. I have a feeling that this is going to get a whole lot worse for all of us as a people very quickly and as a whole we're already a group hanging on by our fingertips.
Yeah if a trans person shot him best case is just a pogrom
Well, we got images of the primary suspect today, so I'm guessing we'll get more pics soon.
Here's what I think we know so far:
I'm guessing the perp isn't a student there, otherwise they would've been able to get a name from school records.
I guess we'll see how close I am, but in the meantime, I hope these sources are of interest to others.
Edit: Looks like they got the guy (Tyler Robinson), and I was pretty close. Some details:
We'll probably learn a ton of additional irrelevant details soon. He doesn't seem like a crazy person, just likely radicalized by the internet.
Guesswork on the caliber based on 'sound' is entirely unuseful- silencers exist and acoustics are mysterious at the best times. Edit: since they apparently found the rifle, the chambering should be listed- guesswork is now totally obsolete.
And concerning engraving bullets: that would supremely fuck with the ballistics. You could engrave the case if you felt so inclined, I guess...
Nobody carves bullets, but most people would consider the casing part of the bullet. Journalists are often imprecise, especially with things they're not familiar with.
Trans-antifascists is something I can support
Homie wrote an entire manifesto on a 30-06 shell
It's actually the epstein files, that's why they didn't publish what the casings said
Ideology: fascism is bad, transgender people should have equal rights.
Not ideology: let's kill everybody that doesn't conform to our narrow minded idea of society.
I would love to hear what they mean by “transgender ideology” lmfao
that usually means acknowledging that trans people exist and are the gender they say they are
scary stuff /s
that's some impressive engraving skills
What is this? A manifesto for ants?
Really. One slip of the engraving tool or chisel and .. bang.
I'm not kidding, apparently one of the bullets read "if you can read this, you are gay lmfao"
Wait when did they find the weapon?? Last I heard they didn't have the weapon and the 2 people they arrested were the wrong guy. So it sounds like the shooter didn't leave the gun behind, so I would expect them to only get the weapon if they got the shooter unless I missed something between yesterday and today.
Edit: Found the update that I missed from the FBI this morning, they apparently found the weapon in a "wooded area", so shooter still unknown
Recent reports indicate a bolt action rifle was found wrapped in a towel in the woods, one empty casing in the chamber, three more live rounds in the mag.
Sounds like Kash Patel watched JFK last night. Was the pristine bullet from a Mannlicher-Carcano?
Utah has woods?!?
Yup. I live relatively close to this area, and there are plenty of trees. Why? Because it's a university in a relatively densely populated part of the city (i.e. apartments for students).
I imagine "woods" is a bit generous here though, it's more likely a copse of trees. There aren't any real forests in the valley, but there are areas with a bunch of trees that someone in the desert would refer to as a forest. The real forests are in the canyons and on the east side of the mountains (i.e. Uintah Nat'l Forest, Cache Nat'l Forest, etc).
Utah being a "desert" is a bit of a misnomer. It's not like the Arabian Peninsula or the Senora Desert, it just doesn't get a ton of rain, and we get most of our water in the winter. But there are still underground water systems and of course municipal irrigation.
Huh, I haven't been to Utah since I was a kid and just remember rock. Lots of rock.
A lot of the famous national parks are mostly rock (Zion, Arches, etc), but we also have a few national forests and the ski areas are all pretty wooded.
UVU campus is built into a hill, and many of the hills have a fair amount of trees, especially near the lake where the water table is higher (and UVU is only a mile or so away).
I grew up in Colorado, I should probably know Utah better than I do.
yeah the ones up by ogden are real pretty too
Yes it's not all desert
“antifacsist ideology”?
So, what…an American Flag? Right? Right…?
Yeah, what is antifascist ideology? Like, equal rights, being nice,... That kind of stuff?
And transgender ideology? What is that? To be nice to transgender people?
If I were to frame it in terms of an ideology - that we should be allowed to pursue happiness and comfort aided by the backing of scientific evidence to ensure we are safe. That our lives not be rendered into terms where reproductive function or lack thereof dictates how we must live our lives.
And that while we do not demand full metaphysical submission of belief of other people that we are our gender it should be acknowledged that our social engineering mechanisms are a kindness that allow us greater room to psychologicaly function. These absences of accommodation in professional situations or public design causes either our livelihoods or accessibility to spaces or facets of society to become hardships above and beyond the average citizen.
I personally do not care if someone is "nice" to me or not. I care about being able to leave their vacinity if they are being an ass and that my safety and job security isn't effected by me being trans.
My guess is "FU Nazi!" A colleague guessed the peace symbol ☮
How very radical.
It's just interpolation, so probably all of 5 minutes. There's enough misinformation going around, let's not keep spreading the AI video nonsense.
Did you not watch it? It's definitely AI.
It's an AI interpolation filter over a lower fps video. Yes, it contains AI generated frames. No, that doesn't make it a fabricated video.
Why would it be? Why would it matter? Claiming it as some kind of evidence of foul play is just loony.
It likely isn't but it’s deeply frightening that there is so much debate about it.
Probably didn't even find the rifle responsible. More reason to believe it was a setup.
Lol first thing someone does when they go to assassinate someone is to engrave the rifle they hope no one ever finds...
Yeah wasn't this shit also pulled with Luigi?
he was caught days later with an entire manifesto and also evidence placing him at the scene in his backpack, how convenient! :)
No, he wlleft the rifle on purpose. Easier to just throw away especially if the killer unknown to police. Back in the day mobsters would just leave the gun after a hit.
They always took the fucking cannoli though.
Kinda like how people write shit on bombs meant for Gaza but on bullets? LMAO yes I don't believe that at all
I wonder what's supposedly written on it. I'll bet FCK NZI in the RUN DMC logo
They finally released what the casings said, some homophobic shit, but no "transgender ideology".
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359
One was the lyrics to an Italian WW2 song
One just said "Hey fascist, catch!"
and the last one said "If you read this, you are gay."
Literally nothing related to Transpeople or "Anti-Fascist Ideology"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/charlie-kirk-shooter-manhunt-live-updates-rcna230762/rcrd88275?canonicalCard=true
NBC is reporting a casing reading "notices, bulges, OWO, what's this?", which I'm guessing is what's being spun as a trans thing (lol, lmao even). The "hey fascist, catch" and Bella Ciao ones are pretty clearly antifascist.
I interpreted antifascist as being linked to the group "Antifa" specifically, which..... just calling someone a fascist (even if they are one) by itself wouldn't count as
Yeah, it's hard to tell which way the media is spinning anything related to being antifascist, haha
bella ciao is THE antifascist song. 🤨
It's been co-opted by Groypers for sometime now
huh... cultural differences i guess.
I would have no problems with anti fascist ideology, nor with trans messages
This false flag operation is insanely piss poor. It's like they were all sat in a room and told one of them was going to be scarified to initiate a civil war and here is your rhetoric start immediately saying the exact same thing.
And who has the most to gain? Couch fucker picking off his presidential rivals...
When did noting fascism is bad become an ideology?
When a fascist conman convinced a nation of racist rubes to give him All The Powers.
I thought WSJ was fake news according to trump...
What day is it, and how does it lick the rapist's boots?
I wonder if
Jeff BezosMurdoch will ever see punishment for making his news media mouthpiece publish this lie?Bezos is Washington Post, not WSJ...
WSJ is owned by Fox News Murdoch assholes, not Jeff Bezos. Both deserve shit. But let's give it where it's due.
Also, why the fuck is the Wall Street Journal commenting on some gang-related shooting?
Aint nobody gonna engrave a bullet casing with anything outside of manufacturing environment. Anyone with that capability isnt doing it for free either
One shot fired and there are multiple casings found? Yeah, this is bullshit.
According to the WSJ there was just one spent round still chambered and three more in the magazine. So, still really stupid sounding as a theory but it's at least internally consistent.
The TRN was a label put on by the manufacturer of the bullets, which they decided stood for “trans”. There was also a reference to a video game that consisted of a series of arrows, they decided the up and right arrows stood for male to female, then ignored all the other arrows.
Brilliant people working on this case, I’ll tell ya what.
It's amazing to me how easy it is to tell what's bullshit, and yet It'S sO hArD tO tElL wHaT's ReAl ThEsE dAyS
Turns out the bullets were indeed engraved
... With manufacturing marks
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tyler-robinson-charlie-kirk-suspect-shooter-utah/story?id=125474359
One said
"O Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Ciao, ciao!
One said
"Hey Fascist, CATCH!"
One said
"If you read this you are gay LMAO"
So, no ideology of any kind antifascist nor transgender, in fact it was even a little homophobic
Bella ciao is an antifascist song.
Groypers have been using it ironically for some time.
This doesn't matter at all. Release the Epstein files
IT WAS A NICK FUENTES GROYPER BABY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YUP
Well there you go. Got the idiot's hate pointed in the right direction and don't have to give up the shooter. Oh and Trump was an Epstein informant.
Buy me a drink first.
In this economy?
It was an inside job by a professional. There were two guys doing umpire signals to his immediate right. King pedo Karen just wants an excuse to declare martial law
trump is trying anything to distract from the Epstein list
Lol what could they have possibly put on the bullet casings to make somebody think this?
I mean, if I was wanting a false flag, that's what I'd do.
Pretty convenient.
This is why I'm against extreme violence. "The Left" will end up like the Palestinians.
mate, that was always the plan. they will take any excuse to move in that direction no matter what you do. there is no civility with fascists.
The left can sit in a corner and play nice. It doesnt matter, facists have to induce fear in order to gain control. They'll manufacture it they have to.