‘War Is Here’: The Far-Right Responds to Charlie Kirk Shooting With Calls for Violence
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This is just a lone wolf. Hell, there isn't even remotely a pattern of violence aimed at Confederate pundits. There is not even stochastic terrorism aimed at Confederates.
Who the fuck do these sister-fuckers even want vengeance on? We don't even know who the shooter is yet and there are no prominent figures on the left who are doing the stochastic terrorism thing (unlike much of the right).
For all we know, it's Charlie's jilted gay lover that shot him.
But apparently the truckloads of dead children are totally fine
That's what Republicans love, whether it's dead children or raped children, it's their favorite!
I bet some of them like the combination.
unless the child isn't born yet!
How else are they going to literally own them if they're never born?
and then they complain about birth rates
They don’t care. Anyone who revels in his death might as well have pulled the trigger, I guess.
Guilty 🤚
Your post here will be described as a manifesto by police too, which they will remove from internet before press conference so no one can check their bs.
Never keep a journal.
All the previous shooters have been disillusioned republicans. The guy they arrested is older and white so... We will see in the morning
It’s not even the right guy. They let him go. They have no leads, apparently.
Time to do some police work. Let's see, who had motivation? Oh, like half the country? Jeez. Well what about opportunity? Oh, he was at a college, outdoors, surrounded by thousands of people, engaging in provoking "debate", and there was no real security set up? Yikes. And no credible witness accounts? Fuck. Well, send somebody over to the Altoona McDonald's and see if we can pin it on some Italian guy.
I'm seeing reports of someone on a roof in dark clothes but that's all they have
They released the guy in custody, shot came from a rooftop, dark clothing, is all they released. Cctv everywhere on campus.
Won't matter. Colleges are so huge with so many blind spots. If the shooter knew the area they're gone. Ironically the huge spy apparatus feeds to Utah but there probably weren't satellites or anything overhead they can use.
They shot up a Sikh temple after 9/11. These aren’t smart people.
Attacks on Jews tripled in the days after 9/11. The hatred is the point.
They just want violence against everyone who isn't them. Sometimes those who are too
Bring it. Most of these chuckle fucks aren't trained in gun safety while 2nd amendment Liberals are.
So, if the shooter turns out to be some Nazi shitbag, these right wingers are going to war with them right? Of course not, because they don’t actually care about what happened to Kirk, and have no problem with violence happening (as evidenced by all the goddamn violence they are always doing). They just want to take advantage of an opportunity to do more violence against what they perceive as the other team. They’re sociopaths with no moral framework other than self-enrichment, self-aggrandizement, and ends justifying means.
Best case scenario for planet Earth is if they find definitive proof that Kirk's assassination was jointly ordered by Putin and Netanyahu.
They will still find a way to blame the left
"Putin? This communist?"
Netanyahu? The jew?
Don't bring the rest of us into this. This is an American issue, so far
Unfortunately for the world, even though Trump has been actively sabotaging America's place in the world, we're still in the position where stupid shit like this still involves the rest of the world.
Unfortunately you're correct but so far we Australians have made it loud and clear that trumpism isn't wanted here by the majority. There are more than enough cookers here as it is.
for the record, it's not just the US turning to fascism. lots of places are going that way, even if we're ahead of the curve. Australia is... less so than most, so yeah, I'll celebrate that much with you... but... please stay vigilant.
If the maga movement gets their way I give Australia 10-15 years before it's an authoritarian oligarchy
You are locking down the internet though. Cultibating a masterbaterbase and connecting ip and likeness where lower level government, hackers, groups can also access everything you have done online.
You are heading to the same place unless you get a populist reform alternative to status quo plutocracy polits of both parties to be supplanted with far right running as reform with help from the us, russia, and their constellations of super rich ideologue pricks.
We're locking down social media. I don't want my kids anywhere near it so I don't really worry about that.
The fear mongering about it is high though but if you read the details it's not that bad. Just don't use Google or apple. Find new search engines and don't use social media. Social media is not exactly a necessity
In keeping the kids off of social media you are connecting everyone's IP to their face and or ID however. Probably in a way that not only these lower level political politicians would have access to it and not just the National Security types, but that would also make it vulnerable to organized groups like hackers and foreign intelligence agencies.
Do you really think this is about protecting the kids?
Well Lachlan Murdoch just won control of his father's media empire, get ready for some heavy doses of propaganda and Sky News to take the obnoxious levels up to eleven.
It's gonna be brutal.
I’m confident the shooter is someone to the right. The shot can only be done by someone who really loves their rifles. They must be a second amendment supporter.
Maybe ordered by the lacky in chief but the hit came from up top.
All they want is an excuse to do exactly what they've always wanted to do.
They were gonna do what they wanted to do anyway.
This only helps them do it faster, and with a martyr to rally behind while doing it. There's nothing good coming from this kind of violence in the current political context, even if it could be morally justified, it is strategically stupid and only serves to further empower Trumpism.
They control every branch of government, they can already do anything they want whenever they want.
I'm not advocating adventurism, but let's not pretend they need help.
If you think this event is going to meaningfully change the end-state that they’re aiming for, you’re kidding yourself.
If anything, this’ll just make them try to speed up the progression - which paradoxically, I think may end up being a good thing, because they’ll try to do too much, too fast, and end up triggering a ton of backlash and resistance, instead of boiling the frog slowly as they were doing before.
Not to mention, I wouldn’t be enormously shocked if this turns out to be some sort of false-flag thing, done simply to generate a casus belli against any and all Americans they don’t like.
To be fair they respond to most things the left does with calls for violence. They want to commit violence over trans existence.
I’m countering their violence with continued trans existence.
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They're foaming at the mouth.
I think that they (the right) need to look into this organisation:
The terrorist is coming from inside the house!
Oh! Oh! You mean just like when Trump tweeted a picture of Chicago exploding and said "Chicago is about to learn why it is called the Department of War"?
Reminds me of a reporter speaking to the Israeli soldiers and asked them how they can shoot women and children like that, and the Israelis said, it is easy, you just lead them less.
That's from Full Metal Jacket
Which is made even more hilarious by the article I just saw that said Hegseth says it stands for peace.
It wasn't war when one Dem politician was killed, one was attempted. And a gubernatorial assassination was attempted?
People who laughed at and mocked Bushnell are literally crying for Kirk.
It literally has nothing to do with Kirk. They're just looking for any excuse at all to start a civil war.
Don't forget the deadly coup
Or how about when Nancy Pelosi's husband was beaten nearly to death with a fucking hammer.
Anyone else remember how they reacted to that? That the guy was his gay lover? The constant mocking and wishing harm on Nancy?
What really pisses me off is that the media just goes along with it. Every fucking time.
This the same far-right that couldn't wear a face mask when 1,226,351 of us were dying of Covid? I am terrified, I tell you, terrified.
We are in the blueanon timeline
Those Epstein files though.
Not only was the skill of the shot high quality, the timing as well. The question being asked at the time was about gun violence and mass shootings.
This was basically my conclusion. Very convenient timing on all counts.
Almost like someone right behind the speaker signal for the shot. Maybe split the message between two guys so it looks more like weird scratching.
I kinda hate that it pans.
Anyone else use tactical fingies for airsoft?
WAR WAS HERE WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE PUTTING PEOPLE IN CAGES, SETTING BARBWIRE IN THE RIVERS, BURNING PROGRESSIVE BALLOT BOXES, FREEZING MEDICAID FUNDING.
They’ve been getting more and more violent for 9 years, so I really don’t see how this is a change. They literally tried to overthrow the government.
Are you suggesting that the GOP might lie in furtherance of an agenda?
It saddens me but it's entirely unsurprising given how we got here to begin with
It's cute you think facts would play any role in Republican arguments.
I'm sure they will be happy to fabricate it
It doesn't matter, they're pushing this narrative in bad faith as an excuse to use violence against the people who they were planning to abuse anyway.
It's just my own conspiracy, with no evidence to back it up, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk death was ordered by his own party.
Personally, I think it is fair odds for it to be a foreign actor. Could be Venuzela, Palestine, Iran, Ukraine, Mexican cartels...there are many enemies that the Trump Regime have manufactured. It wouldn't be surprising at all if they retaliated against unprompted aggression in this fashion, if military force isn't an option.
Considering all the things that the Trump Regime has done, the 8-Ball could be correct when saying "Yes."
Heh
At least no one is talking about how the Republicans voted to not release the Epstein files yesterday. How convenient for Trump...🤷
Or that Nepal canceled their subscription to Presidential Palace with Fire.
Also isn't it weird how little snipers did on Jan 6?
They frame a trans person, they are already setting the stage with wsj saying there's "trans inscriptions" on the ammo of a bilt action they found in the woods
See how the Confederates talk about that Confederate shooter that tried to shoot Taco.
Then they will forget it ever happened and just lionize Kirk and every hate filled ideal he stood for.
*if it was a Repub. If it was a foreign shooter than...whomever this persons nationality is, if you share even a passing resemblance to the same I suggest you get out fast
Of course, that's all they got. What, are they going to demand bipartisan cooperation and a commitment to end gun violence? Get real. They threaten violence every time the sun rises. It's a good idea to remind them that murdering who they perceive as the American Left won't be as easy as the Nazis crushing the Jews. There will be strong resistance, and it is already starting.
Like the little bitches weren't already out there bombing and shooting. But one professional troll cops irony and they're losing their shit
Just the pedos creating a distraction from the Epstein files. GOP voted down their release yesterday.
It wouldn’t surprise me if GOP killed their own political pawns to at least delay the Epstein files debacle and their own pedophile in chief being implicated in them.
Probably wanting to delay it for as long as possible until the dude croaks during a live interview.
Did they forget all the right wing terrorism they’ve already been doing like attempting to kill Pelosi and nearly killing her husband among other things
No those are actually good because demonrats are evil
See: "unworthy victims" as discussed by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky.
Razor blades?
I’m gonna fuck that razor blade bro
I don't get it, if he's such a good guy, why are they sad that he's in heaven with Jeebus? Don't they believe that's where the good people go?
God works in mysterious ways.
On the other hand, a difficult long distance sniper shot has the marks of a professional hit, plus he got away. Sounds a lot like an ordered hit on a not too valuable target for a political purpose. Maybe a distraction from the Epstein files? Is it too much to ask to wait until we know a lot more before killing innocent people?
He just happens to get shot on the same day the Republicans voted to not release the Epstein files 🤔
Fash have been murdering innocent people since the invention of fascism. They've shot up countless schools, drove cars into people, etc. It's almost their whole ideology.
This wasn't a particularly long distance shot. Its a rather typical hunting range shot for Utah.
They didn't calculate for bullet drop. Shooter should have played more video games.
It's understandable, his face looks bigger than it is.
They call for violence every time a non-white/cis/straight person breathes. This isn't news.
So... The thing that they were already doing?
OK.
...these fucking people.
Just shut up and go away already. Just move to Russia since you like the taste of dictator balls so much.
I think Russia has little to nothing to do with this. Just as it's a common meme that the left is internally extremely divided, so is the right. There are so many groups, and they hate each other almost as much as they hate the left, in general.
I highly doubt that Russia is just standing on the sidelines not stoking the fires via bots on social media
100% they are. You can tell in almost every post about going after Dems. Just bots stir the fire up. These MAGA fucks fall for it everytime.
I'm sure many of them are bots (as has been documented and proven on other platforms) but I assume they're mixed in with the actual people that happen to agree with the bots or get swayed by the bots' takes.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the average flesh-and-blood American. (And before anyone says it, yes, I know there is stupidity elsewhere, but I happen to be an American, so I don't feel bad about criticizing them).
I try not to get into the habit of assuming that every braindead comment or post comes from a bot (though they may be indistinguishable). I am very aware of the bot/paid trolls issue, but I also assume there's the possibility of at least a non-zero share of the firehose of Internet stupidity which is generated by the sausage-like appendages of someone who is very much alive that I am forced to share a country with, and that they may typing those things in earnest without irony.
exactly. isn't there a common saying "don't assume malevolence where stupidity suffices as an explanation"?
people really are just dumb, largely. it could be perfectly well that that already explains the conflicts.
Russian trolls are everywhere. I would be more surprised if they weren't involved. They love to feed the fire.
There are more of us than you.
Despite common belief (at least in my area) we have more guns than you.
The awesome power of the state(s) is behind them. They openly tried cultivating them as brown/black shirts in 2020, and villainized those that fought back against them, and marshalls executed the one that killed the one in portland.
The feds are just getting warmed up for 2028 to fix elections tight(er) but they have a succession too so that is our chance. Any real populist should do rallies remotely from secured locations. Because this was already going to get uglier.
And they are arming themselves...
Who is this us? Republicans and Democrats sure have the numbers in the US no matter against whomst.
Kirk wasn't even a politician, he was a talking head. And not even an A-lister like Shapiro or Jones. These guys are looking for an excuse to become violent and it didn't take much.
At this point, I would be shocked if the far-right responded with anything but calls for violence.
They have no idea who the shooter was. They literally don't care. They are ready to just immediately blame the left, even if none of us had literally anything to do with it. Bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths.
wasn't it figured out that the first trump shooter was literally a republican or sth?
Yes
They love the victimization and pretend they are attacked by an enemy that's not even there
WTF is this??? It's like Wired built a manifesto for right wing nut jobs instead of reporting a balanced story. What the actual fuck?!
Have you ever heard NRP promoting genocide every day?
This stuff is very normal in a fascist society.
LoL imagine starting a civil war over a pos
Sounds like the Britney Spears household.
as opposed to the calls for peace they've been doing up until now. did someone get neurolyzed this morning?
For peace, you'll have to consult the Department of War.
Between this and WSJ claiming there's antitrans inscriptions on the ammo, this is almost certainly a false flag, meant to incite just such a war on LGBTQ+.
They retrieved ammo?
https://www.aol.com/entertainment/haunting-words-bullets-shooters-ammunition-155620827.html
Pro-trans, anti-fascist. But the investigators aren't standing by the report, at least not yet. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAgKvzG2b0FvFXcFPczXjOvCskYu3jEfXZkxNungHw8bJqObl38FQfAAHwwlGQ8%3D&gaa_ts=68c37bac&gaa_sig=OaA8buSo8cn-zHLtktUJDGj07ElRbp74Jzl2IaZOD2IzB_Lf3CJIDw98fYTyscm-QAHoUu_i_ZmKJ46-SruI7A%3D%3D
Is this a trend now? Who inscribes bullets? This seems a little too, "We need to really spell out the motive to people so they know exactly what to think about this.".
I'm kinda curious now how you even go about inscribing a bullet. I feel like a hand tool would just not really produce a legible result, and I've never really even heard of a machine for it. I'm not saying it's impossible, but really rare to see and kinda weird that the last two high profile shootings had inscribed bullets to really drive home the point.
Hand engravers (sharp tip with a vibrator attached) are pretty effective and easy to use on soft materials, and also on harder materials if you're patient (on harder materials you have to go over the marking multiple times to get it deep enough for legibility).
But latest word is in this instance the engraving thing was a misunderstanding
And they just now noticed? Quite low IQ maneuver considering it's they who started it.
Imagine wanting to kill/die for this creep.
Fash are effing losers.
Oh so now it’s time for war.
It wasn’t a war before because no one was standing up to them. They got to be violent without a care in the world and now they’re in danger.
Oh now they are in danger…
Yes. Agreed.
Heh remember when a black guy got elected president and certain people literally burned effigies of him?
Remember when the one guy who was whiter than Trump wouldn’t go along with their coup and he had to dodge his own secret service agents in order to survive?
Nothing really changed. They are calling for and actually doing violence for years.
Here are some of the comment's below Asmongold's video where he says 90% of all of the violence is from the left, who continue to terrorize people daily, and that until violence happens to them, it isn't going to stop.
- They tried to kill Free Speech today. But all they did was martyr him. And they aren’t going to want to deal with the ramifications of it. (+7.4k)
- They killed the "lets talk it out guy". They have no idea what theyve done (+589)
- They could not win the debate, so they removed the debator. When the option to resolve differences through speech is removed, the only thing left is war. That is where we are currently at, and people feel it. (+361)
- Democrats havnt been this pissed since Lincoln took away their slaves. 😢RIP young man (+316)
- Ironically, this is going to be a turning point. In trying to silence him, they have made them a martyr. I’ve been saying this for years, it’s time to stop taking the high road with these lunatics. (+195)
- Being from the UK my government calls me far right, applies the law unequallly and persecutes the native population. Dont let it get this bad America. RIP Charlie. (+183)
- There's tweets, reddit comments, and bluesky comments already advocating for more violence against conservatives, and upvoted hundreds of thousands of times. They by their own words, are "just getting started". Keep your head on a swivel. (+175)
- Conservatives should no longer tolerate the intolerable. (+155)
- In the past two years there have been three high profile assassination attempts on Conservative politicians. Two on Trump, one which nearly killed him, and now another, unfortunately successful, on Kirk. All by leftists. In that same time, not one high-profile attempt has been made on a Democrat politician. (+140)
- MAGA won't be silenced. The left has been demonizing the right for years as being the violent ones. After today, they might just get their wish. (+129)
- I listen to both sides of politics . When one side keeps continuing to passionately assassinate the other side to silence them; I then lean more side that being silenced. (+108)
- You can only push people so far before they say “enough”. Enough of the riots, enough of the protests, enough of the doxing, enough of the rhetoric, and enough of the violence. To a certain point trying to take the high road has enabled these people to feel like they can get away with doing these things. So the only way to solve that is to start standing up and letting them know that they can’t. Time to rise up. (+82)
- I remember months ago when Asmon called it where something big was gonna happen due to the rhetoric like HAMAS DIDDY PIKER kept spewing would bring. Also not just Hasan but others in his orbit and community keep advocating for this type of violence and yet TWITCH does nothing and its such a shame. (+81)
Fun fact, Twitch is owned by Amazon. Amazon is a corporation that only cares about making a profit. If the top streamer on Twitch was about eating puppies. Amazon would be like "Yeah, eating puppies is not really bad cause we like money."
They start it. They egg it on. They should all go back where they came from.
Edit: Just in case someone doesn't get the context. I'm talking about the MAGA's. I told two of them a month or so back to go back where they came from. They balked completely at at loss for words.
In their defense....it is very difficult to crawl back up into one's own ass
They crawled out of that hole they can damn well crawl back in.
War on what? MAGA killing their own guys? Then yes let it begin
They are going to make tinyface their Horst Wessel.
They don’t even win, like ever because they are dumb and in the long or short run it all falls apart.
Ugh, why do we keep having to deal with this in waves throughout history?
Because people in general are still the same dumb panicky animals who had to avoid predators on the savannah, and we've only gotten to where we are because we got carried incredibly hard by a handful of MVPs against the rest of us being Leroy Jenkins.
it's really the only response they have, if we're being honest.
Damn, Wikipedia already wrote a 15-page article about this. (at least it feels this long)
Yes, meet random violence with even more random violence, that will solve everything! It always works, like every single time.
I don't feel this very fair to those of us on the Left that have been calling for violence for 8 fucking years now, at least.
And it almost happened on 9/11, again.
They were waiting for an excuse for a long time. If it had not been Kirk, they would have something else sooner or later. If they get violent, it is not because of this shooting, but because violence was part of the idea from day one.
Who's going to tell right wingers that leftists fight better than them ?
Finally. The US can implode like Rome did, but less gloriously, of course.
From the ashes...well, plants will grow again? I don't know.
I fucking hate this website sometimes.
Yeah guys, high profile assassinations and quickly escalating political violence is just a distraction from files that supposedly prove what we all already know about Trump.
Remember the day of the rope?
Lmao
It's too late for kirk and his bots, the American people are totally armed and have nothing to lose, Republicans and Democrats alike.
Also FOR THE EPSTEINTH TIME RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!!
yeh right. I bet whoever did this is not a democrat. With that distance and only 1 shot? That's pro stuff
Let's hope things escalate in the US. Even if it seems highly unlikely.
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