"Will"!? Our mad orange king, as well as the other MAGA freaks are already blaming everyone left of "the poors should be hunted for sport" for this. Right now. Regardless of the killer's beliefs, it so obviously wasn't a coordinated campaign approved of by every non-conservative...
Theyve emboldened their followers to use violence to hurt those that “fail them” some are starting to take notice and some of those are unstable enough to use violence. Live by the gun die by the gun
Interesting point made in live updating CNN Manhunt article:
Here’s why authorities may be having a hard time finding Kirk’s killer, according to a chief CNN analyst
From CNN’s Tori B. Powell
A manhunt is still underway as law enforcement tries to find the person who fired the shot that killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk today.
According to CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller, the shooter’s planning, skill and execution may be complicating the search.
He told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins that snipers have been studied closely by the government and they typically are people who are “methodical and patient, self-reliant.”
“This is the kind of person who would have planned to get in silently, try to be invisible, take this shot, accomplish the mission, take the gun with them and leave little evidence behind which is why I think they’re having a very difficult time getting started on this.”
Officials said earlier today that they believe the shooter fired one shot at one person and that it was a targeted incident.
The single fired shot shows that “the person is not new to shooting,” Miller said, which ultimately could help officials get to the bottom of the investigation.
“This is someone who knew exactly what they were doing and is probably known to others, and this may be working to the advantage of law enforcement,” Miller said. “As someone who has a long history in shooting, this wasn’t an amateur.”
So, dude takes his position, fires a single shot for the kill, and then disappears without a trace. Pretty impressive.
Could be a paid for dude, which seems most likely judging by the description. Not many snipers in the general populace, I'm guessing. Ex-military maybe?
Do they know how far away they were? What rooftop they were on? I'm hoping they get away with it, but I'm not sure it would even have to be monetarily motivated. Maybe one of their friends or family members were killed as a result of his bullshit? There's plenty of reasons to kill a shitstain like Kirk. Plenty of people, especially on this website, would've done the same if they had the ability.
CBS news at dinnertime didn't have details on where but from witness accounts it was at least 100yds, 'cause people said the shot wasn't that loud. That shit stays loud for 100ft easy. I'm sure law enforcement knows what rifle fired the round by now and it wouldn't surprise me if they are shitting their pants because it's some weird fucker like 6.5 creedmoor
edit: I guess if someone pulled an Oswald and was inside the Book Depository that would muffle the sound heard by people near the victim. However, Utah is pretty fucking big without many tall buildings.
People on Lemmy are more likely to know but yes, I tried explaining to my dad how much of a shitstain this guy was. His take away from TV News was that this guy was somehow not MAGA and therefore it's sad. Like, no, he very much is MAGA, lol
Me too, and in the last day or so, ads have started playing now and again. Usually only one ad, with a skip button that appears after a bit. I wonder if something has changed?
Yeah, no. Kirk was straight. I can tell. Some are bisexuals, especially the ones that think being gay is a choice. There was nothing remotely gay about the man in any way. He believed everything he said. And it was probably a desnat or something.
I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation. They specifically selected a mentally unhealthy kid who was a bad shot. Trump wasn't grazed by the bullet. The movements of his security and the press to set up that photo op paints it's own damning picture.
Charlie is just to much a fucking idiot to adhere to the same security protocols as literally every conservative event.
The reason that I just can't take that idea seriously is that, well, there at least was someone actually shooting, so if it was faked the way they would have to do it would be along the lines of "shooting at Trump, but intentionally missing". That would be a fairly dangerous move though, if your fake shooter's aim was off, there's the risk that it accidentally becomes a real assassination instead, and that level of risk feels out of character for Trump.
Further, were it staged, I'd expect it to be designed to advantage Trump as much as possible. Surely the "shooter" would be revealed to be one of the many demographics he riles people up against, or at least an outspoken democrat, and surely they would have played it up as much as possible throughout the election instead of having it done well before the final weeks and letting it get buried by the news cycle before people actually went to the polls.
He also surrounds himself with loyal but often incompetent people, and is an old man prone to saying embarrassing things. Would he really have been able to keep such a fake a secret even for this long?
To be fair, he surrounds himself with fascists hungry for power. Just because he probably didn't set it up doesn't mean that one of his "buddies" didn't.
Not saying it was Vance, but for the sake of argument, in shoes of that caliber it's a win win. Trump gets killed? Well lookie here, we got a martyr and a new replacement ready for the throne. Trump doesn't get killed? They get a photo shoot that sways public perception.
Idk at least for the second term of this administration, Trump being the figurehead is an integral part. Cult of personality is necessary in a fascist/dictatorial rise to power. I honestly don’t think Vance would be able to implement the same policy. However, now with the precedent being set he could
But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.
I'm still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP's owners want him gone. He's a fucking moron and they're all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.
Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.
That's kind of my take. It was real, but he was fine the next day. I wouldn't put it past them to do a false flag kind of thing, but most people would cheer if he died, which the last leave of absence proved.
Anyway, IMO the main flaw in your "false flag operation" idea is that they'd want a good shot to make sure he wasn't hit by accident. Having a bad shot point a gun at him would've been a Hell of a risk.
Fair point. But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.
I'm still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP's owners want him gone. He's a fucking moron and they're all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.
Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.
I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation.
A lot of people are saying it. Smart people. I mean it looks like Trump liked the guy and is angry about the hit, and he's pretty truthful most of the time.
Look, I don't know shit about sqibs, body doubles or false flag stuff, and think it's a lone wolf sort of thing.
It's just that a lot of smart people are having all sorts of questions.
I say we all do our own research to figure out what really happened.
false flag stuff, and think it's a lone wolf sort of thing.
A lone wolf that was manipulated by the reality presented to him, fed motivation, and presented with an artificial opportunity. Just one of a short list of individuals being actively "groomed" into false flag shooters.
As far as this kirk shooting, AFAIK they still haven't found the guy? They've already arrested and released 2+ people on this.
I'm willing to bet it's a right-winger. Some deranged psycho that bought into the right-wing conspiracy hate sphere they always use and has an axe to grind with Charlie's flip on releasing the Epstein files.
It was pissrael. Hear me out, the shooter who has not been ID'd yet was found to have made the shot with a high powered rifle from 200 yards in a nearby building He had reported WAY before his death that if he "steps out of line" the pissraelis would kill him. As soon as he went hospital, tr*mp posted to "send prayers" on truth and the EXACT same minute Sketanyahu stops his bombing campaign on 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk. We all know at the end of the day he was nothing but a payed propaganda shill, whether he believed all the bs he said or not.
I've sat next to dudes on a range ringing plates at 300+. They sight their iron sights to 100 yards, a 200 yard shot is just raising the rifle a little bit higher and waiting for a lull in the wind. With a scope, it's practically point and click for anyone who spent the time practicing.
Wild ideas? lool
If true, this would prolly be top 10 least wild thing's israel have done.
Russia does try and cause divides and tensions, but if you're alluding to their involvement in this shit, afaik he didn't say anything that would've angered putin, plus he prefers Novichok for his political assassinations. And they pay jobless bums all over europe to cause chaos and havoc in their respective countries, hardly at the level israel manages to do so.
I am struggling to see what are you going for with "Sketanyahu". It's the 2nd time you've typed it, so I know it's not a mistake. Is it pronounced like skeet-anyahu as in "Aw skeet skeet muthafucker!"? I've always heard his name pronounced like Net-an-yahoo. Is sket pronounced like "net" a slur I'm not familiar with? Sket kinda makes me think about skeletons (spooky) or skittles (tasty) and I guess Halloween is coming up 🤷♂️
Pissreal makes sense. It's straightforward. You could keep it simple with Satanyahu or Naziyahu. If you wanted to draw parallels to Holocaust for the genocide he's committing you could do NetanyAuschwitz. Not a direct comparison, but I think people would follow that train. I'll say that I thought there'd be a more obvious play with the "yahu" part. Best I could do was Nut-and-yahoo if you want a groaner or NetanYahooSerious if you're into 80s Australian comedy.
A sket is a lil bitch, a disgusting person, with no self-respect or morals and would if given the opportunity let themselves get tossed around for pennies. It's english slang and very derogatory so I don't use it lightly but it fits when talking about the modern day hitler ig 🤷♂️
Like, they are still kids, Charlie might have been a bigoted fascist but that's far too complicated for children to fully understand; to them, he was just "Dad".
It is truly unfortunate for them they had the ill fate of being born to such a horrible person, but that horrid person was spreading rhetoric which has resulted in countless other children losing parents themselves. All I can hope is that those kids grow up to understand this.
No amount of mourning their "Dad" will ever compensate the hate he had for his daughter when he said he would allow her to give birth if raped... at age 9.
Is there any confirmation that the shooter was in any way a leftist, or motivated by left wing ideals?
From all I know, it was some random guy who could have been a right winger who thinks Trump is centralizing the government which goes against his Ayn Rand ideology; or it could just be a loonie.
No. The shooter was a CIA operative sent by Bill Clinton to distract from the Epstein files. It will turn out that the "suspect" is a young black Arab Mexican man from China sent here to start a lgbtq+ revolution.
This is a false flag to further supress any non white Christian men.
Also I don't know who the shooter is. But I do know we were together all day in Florida at the time.
I wouldn't say they are desperate. They already just make up shit. A true reason is better than a fake one one but so far "crime" has been good enough to slow walk things.
I would say it's not even to distract as much as to silence him. If you watch the event, he was talking about it 20 minutes before being shot. He was saying that other republicans needed to answer for blocking the release of said files. The fact he wasn't letting go of the epstein case and he has one of the biggest followings of young republicans, he was a threat to whoever doesn't want that discussed. It's possible it could have been something else, but who knows?
I swear, Trump could order the military to murder every single person left on the political spectrum of Hitler tomorrow, and people would be like "Stop trying to distract from the Epstein files".
I mean, we have a pedophile in the white house, and an open cover up of it. A normal person would be on trial right now, and/or already in prison. We should be making a big deal about it.
I'd imagine it's an ex-supporter though. No one is more upset than someone who feels betrayed by someone they used to trust.
Recent flip flopping from the right wing on issues like releasing the Epstein files, and gun rights for trans people. Both seem like they have the potential to piss off members of the base.
Trump ordered all flags at half mast until Sunday. If I had a flagpole, I'd be racing to add an extension on to it, even if it looked like shit, to raise it higher.
There was no attempt. Its should be so blindingly obvious by now. This guy cries bitches and moans abt shit from the 90s, if it was real he'd still be crying about this shit today akh. He slapped his ear after the "gunshot" and in the famous photo there's NO WOUND, his ear's completely intact, it's js red. You'd think after a man almost got his headtop licked off, he'd have a wound 😐 What's more damaging, EAR CARTILAGE DOESN'T FUCKING HEAL, so yeah it was staged.
Now onto the kirk bastard the shooter who has not been found yet btw, had made the shot from a building 200 yards away with a high-powered rifle. Now I'm no conspiracy theorist, and this is ALL purely speculation, tr*mp posted on truth his message to send prayers. At that EXACT same minute Ben Sketanyahu stopped his bombing campaign of 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk.
200 m was the standard range distance when I was in the army and we'd usually group in at least 10 or 15 cm target with iron sights. And that was with a plain Famas.
I understand that, but respectfully deer is a way bigger target than his neck and take into account he was sat under a visually obstructing gazebo tent. Considering they were estimated and likely to have been far more elevated than charlie in a nearby building, a shot like that's not an easy one.
A deer is very similar in size to a human, just shaped different, and I only hunt from my elevated back porch. I'm not saying that it wasn't a professional who did it, but it was not some super difficult shot. This could have been done by anyone that practices.
He almost certainly wasn't aiming for the neck. Probably the head, or if you're a Trump did it conspiracy person, maybe the shoulder and it was "supposed" to be a flesh wound :p
I js watched Kyle Kulinski's in depth analysis on the shooting, and he mentioned the fact that if you slow it down you'll see it originally hit his bulletproof vest and ricocheted into his neck. I also didn't say tr*mp did it, I don't think he did. He does a really gd hr long analysis on the shooting and despite no mentions of Israel or mossad, proves it's blatantly obvious it was not a lone gunman and was very clearly professionally done, but I think you can put 2 & 2 together.
200 yards is pushing it with the bb guns we train kids with. 200 yards with a rifle isn't a big deal. Kind of at the limit of iron sights. Once you're dialed in though you can group rounds in to something about the size of a dinner plate pretty easily.
No, I understand he got hit in the neck and blood instantly started gushing out, essentially guaranteeing a 1 way trip to hell, but he was pronounced dead at the hospital, and stayed alive for a surprising amount of time.
Sometimes hospitals will endeavor to be overly optimistic, running a code for way longer than is likely to work. There's a slim chance something pans out, even if the patient is unable to recover from a persistent vegetative stare.
Who knows about his vitals, but he almost certainly didn't significantly suffer, he was unconscious before he could realize what happened.
I saw an accident where a car rolled and a passenger was ejected and his head hit the asphalt at speed, leaving skull and brain matter on the asphalt. The news reported that he was pronounced dead at the hospital about an hour later.
Or has a cult of fanatics that is prone to conspiracy theories that will take any opportunity to imagine the medical staff deliberately let them die...
If you saw the video, it was clear that he was hit in the brain stem and was dead instantly from hydrostatic shock. Look at what his arms did instantly.
You're only pronounced dead at the hospital AFAIK (or by a doctor or something), so even when your head just explodes, you have to wait until the ambulance makes it to the hospital to be pronounced dead. Doesn't mean you survived until they decided that chest compressions weren't working.
Well yeh, but when they pronounced him dead they stated his time of death at the precise moment when his headtop went flying, which is when he died. Charlie had officially died roughly 2h after the shot, he may have been a vegetable/unconscious but still by all accounts alive.
Couldn't the Unabomber be debatably extreme left? Not that it really matters, because going extreme enough in either direction ends up pretty close to the other--horseshoe theory or something.
I think the point is that if you go extreme enough on any part of the spectrum/plot/whatever, you're going to be supportive of generally unpalatable/harmful ideology.
Generally, on one extreme you have a distopian nightmare, on the other extreme you have something impractical, but would be great if it worked
And willingness to do violence to achieve political goals is another axis. On one extreme, you use violence against everyone not part of your group. On the other, even the slightest property damage or inconvenience to others is unacceptable
Those aren't the same thing. One option is horrible, the other is impractical, but wouldn't it be nice if it worked?
Unabomber was 30+ years ago, and he explicitly identifies the left with society's problems
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF MODERN LEFTISM
Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general.
Here is a nice summary of how the Unabomber (and apparently the author of the article) perceived the left:
I fucking hate BlueAnon. Sure there's a good chance it was someone even farther right than he was, but not everything is a false flag. Do you have literally any evidence of it being a false flag beyond "just think about it bro"?
The fact that the bullet casings supposedly had "transgender" wording inscribed on them is a little too convenient to not raise suspicion. Either A) whole thing was setup or B) evidence is being doctored. C) Could be all on the up and up and everything just falls into place perfectly, but how likely really?
I wouldn't be surprised if evidence was being tampered with or mishandled, but there's a lot of distance between mishandled/misleading evidence and a false flag attack. If there's evidence of a false flag that's one thing, but I'm gonna need more than "think about it, is everything really on the up and up?"
This is MAGA propaganda to spur them on. Who really thinks it was anyone other than trump and his goons who made this happen. They probably already had the 'shooter' picked out and are planning the frame as we speak. It worked with Luigi so they will just keep doing it until its the US version of fell out a window.
I find it a little grotesque how thrilled people are about it, but no one is happy he's dead just because he's "right". They're happy because he was a monster that inflicted a lot of pain on other people intentionally. He was an absolutely piece of shit.
Killing is not the best outcome, but the left versus right thing should definitely happen. The right kills way more than the left could even think about killing. The right needs to stop being a thing.
We dont yet know if the assassin is from the left
It won't matter as they will accuse the left regardless.
Joe Biden did it on his bicycle.
It was a tandem with...OBAMA IN THE BACK
Thanks Obama!
360° no scope headshot. Biden invented that move in WW1.
Counterstrike 1.6 !!!
I hope it was a vegan bicycle.
"Will"!? Our mad orange king, as well as the other MAGA freaks are already blaming everyone left of "the poors should be hunted for sport" for this. Right now. Regardless of the killer's beliefs, it so obviously wasn't a coordinated campaign approved of by every non-conservative...
I have wondered from time to time where the militant left is.
Lol, it's gonna be a disgruntled former magat
Theyve emboldened their followers to use violence to hurt those that “fail them” some are starting to take notice and some of those are unstable enough to use violence. Live by the gun die by the gun
Bitching, on the internet.
"I'm ready bro, just waiting for the signal bro"
I think the preferred term is slacktivism. Reading theory and posting copypastas online lol
Gripping the rifle with thighhighs makes girlcocks look cuter. So uh, we were distracted. Tyrannywhat?
What if... there is a civil war, but it's old-school conservatives vs MAGA?
Right? Most of the left don't even know who this dude is. It could be a business partner for all we know.
Interesting point made in live updating CNN Manhunt article:
So, dude takes his position, fires a single shot for the kill, and then disappears without a trace. Pretty impressive.
Could be a paid for dude, which seems most likely judging by the description. Not many snipers in the general populace, I'm guessing. Ex-military maybe?
I've seen this one before on Red Dwarf. He shot himself.
Do they know how far away they were? What rooftop they were on? I'm hoping they get away with it, but I'm not sure it would even have to be monetarily motivated. Maybe one of their friends or family members were killed as a result of his bullshit? There's plenty of reasons to kill a shitstain like Kirk. Plenty of people, especially on this website, would've done the same if they had the ability.
CBS news at dinnertime didn't have details on where but from witness accounts it was at least 100yds, 'cause people said the shot wasn't that loud. That shit stays loud for 100ft easy. I'm sure law enforcement knows what rifle fired the round by now and it wouldn't surprise me if they are shitting their pants because it's some weird fucker like 6.5 creedmoor
edit: I guess if someone pulled an Oswald and was inside the Book Depository that would muffle the sound heard by people near the victim. However, Utah is pretty fucking big without many tall buildings.
Could've also had a suppressor. They don't eliminate all the sound like the movies, but make a huge difference with rifles.
That's true.
I'm bored. What do you think happened?
I think long-range hunting rifle with a scope. .270 maybe?
I've dropped deer that far out and I am no sniper. I'd wager that most hunters could make that shot.
He's one of the most meme'd on conservatives of the last decade in leftist spaces. Who doesn't know his forehead?
And his gums.
People on Lemmy are more likely to know but yes, I tried explaining to my dad how much of a shitstain this guy was. His take away from TV News was that this guy was somehow not MAGA and therefore it's sad. Like, no, he very much is MAGA, lol
The ABC national evening show was gargling his balls like he was going to come back and kiss them afterward. It was sickening.
Don't know who Charlie Kirk is? He runs so many ads on youtube with tpusa, that I'm surprised that there's people that don't know he exists atp.
I use ublock to watch youtube.
Me too, and in the last day or so, ads have started playing now and again. Usually only one ad, with a skip button that appears after a bit. I wonder if something has changed?
Restart your computer and browser, that usually works for me.
That worked, thanks.
Fair enough. A lot of people don't.
A lot of people don't know what adblock is.
Plus the guy's been memed to oblivion. I have a lot of Tinyface Charlie memes in my phone.
I may have seen the tiny face meme but never heard the name. But I also don't frequent political areas.
Yeah, this is as dumb as Trump calling it political violence.
Could be any number of people he fucked over or stiffed. These types if people (sociopaths) don't care about anyone but themselves.
Could be Kirk's ex-boyfriend for all we know.
Looking at the rate they get caught fucking other men, most homophobes seem to be self-hating bisexuals.
oh so NOW the Bis exist when you need someone to throw under the bus for a shooting.
Yeah, no. Kirk was straight. I can tell. Some are bisexuals, especially the ones that think being gay is a choice. There was nothing remotely gay about the man in any way. He believed everything he said. And it was probably a desnat or something.
I mean, just going off the last two people who shot at trump in the last year...
There's no reason to say this wasn't MAGA yet.
It could be someone who thought Kirk wasn't going far enough because he still wanted to talk
I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation. They specifically selected a mentally unhealthy kid who was a bad shot. Trump wasn't grazed by the bullet. The movements of his security and the press to set up that photo op paints it's own damning picture.
Charlie is just to much a fucking idiot to adhere to the same security protocols as literally every conservative event.
The reason that I just can't take that idea seriously is that, well, there at least was someone actually shooting, so if it was faked the way they would have to do it would be along the lines of "shooting at Trump, but intentionally missing". That would be a fairly dangerous move though, if your fake shooter's aim was off, there's the risk that it accidentally becomes a real assassination instead, and that level of risk feels out of character for Trump.
Further, were it staged, I'd expect it to be designed to advantage Trump as much as possible. Surely the "shooter" would be revealed to be one of the many demographics he riles people up against, or at least an outspoken democrat, and surely they would have played it up as much as possible throughout the election instead of having it done well before the final weeks and letting it get buried by the news cycle before people actually went to the polls.
He also surrounds himself with loyal but often incompetent people, and is an old man prone to saying embarrassing things. Would he really have been able to keep such a fake a secret even for this long?
To be fair, he surrounds himself with fascists hungry for power. Just because he probably didn't set it up doesn't mean that one of his "buddies" didn't.
Not saying it was Vance, but for the sake of argument, in shoes of that caliber it's a win win. Trump gets killed? Well lookie here, we got a martyr and a new replacement ready for the throne. Trump doesn't get killed? They get a photo shoot that sways public perception.
Idk at least for the second term of this administration, Trump being the figurehead is an integral part. Cult of personality is necessary in a fascist/dictatorial rise to power. I honestly don’t think Vance would be able to implement the same policy. However, now with the precedent being set he could
Potentially, but fascists aren't known for their competence
That's literally how Hitler kept his cronies in check. Having them all fighing for power underneath him.
Everyone assuming trump dying was a bug not a feature doesn't simply relate to the cuthroats like trump and his ilk.
But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.
I'm still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP's owners want him gone. He's a fucking moron and they're all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.
Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.
Has no one heard of squibs?
That's kind of my take. It was real, but he was fine the next day. I wouldn't put it past them to do a false flag kind of thing, but most people would cheer if he died, which the last leave of absence proved.
And he conveniently carries around a fake blood packet just in case?
Wait a minute, ketchup!
*was
Anyway, IMO the main flaw in your "false flag operation" idea is that they'd want a good shot to make sure he wasn't hit by accident. Having a bad shot point a gun at him would've been a Hell of a risk.
Fair point. But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.
I'm still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP's owners want him gone. He's a fucking moron and they're all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.
Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.
I saw the video of them dragging Kirk out to and the difference between that and how they acted after Trump was "shot" is crazy....
Like, this is what you expected out of any shooting. trump they legitimately seemed to not really give a shit.
So much confidence.
A lot of people are saying it. Smart people. I mean it looks like Trump liked the guy and is angry about the hit, and he's pretty truthful most of the time.
Look, I don't know shit about sqibs, body doubles or false flag stuff, and think it's a lone wolf sort of thing.
It's just that a lot of smart people are having all sorts of questions.
I say we all do our own research to figure out what really happened.
A lone wolf that was manipulated by the reality presented to him, fed motivation, and presented with an artificial opportunity. Just one of a short list of individuals being actively "groomed" into false flag shooters.
As far as this kirk shooting, AFAIK they still haven't found the guy? They've already arrested and released 2+ people on this.
True but really when we look at Kirk the only not far enough he could be doing is Epstein. Otherwise he's jackboot all the way.
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I like you
Yeah there plenty of groups mad at turning point USA for not being far right enough, even calling it alt-lite
I'm willing to bet it's a right-winger. Some deranged psycho that bought into the right-wing conspiracy hate sphere they always use and has an axe to grind with Charlie's flip on releasing the Epstein files.
Hoping it’s feral ass MAGA realizing they have been fooled and starting to turn
Wouldn't that be poetic.
It's pretty much what happened with trump's near success.
It was pissrael. Hear me out, the shooter who has not been ID'd yet was found to have made the shot with a high powered rifle from 200 yards in a nearby building He had reported WAY before his death that if he "steps out of line" the pissraelis would kill him. As soon as he went hospital, tr*mp posted to "send prayers" on truth and the EXACT same minute Sketanyahu stops his bombing campaign on 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk. We all know at the end of the day he was nothing but a payed propaganda shill, whether he believed all the bs he said or not.
I've sat next to dudes on a range ringing plates at 300+. They sight their iron sights to 100 yards, a 200 yard shot is just raising the rifle a little bit higher and waiting for a lull in the wind. With a scope, it's practically point and click for anyone who spent the time practicing.
This is laughably incorrect. 200 yards w/ a scope isn't an issue for myself or any hunter I know.
Are you trying to be sarcastic or are you just dumb? We may never know.
Wild ideas? lool If true, this would prolly be top 10 least wild thing's israel have done. Russia does try and cause divides and tensions, but if you're alluding to their involvement in this shit, afaik he didn't say anything that would've angered putin, plus he prefers Novichok for his political assassinations. And they pay jobless bums all over europe to cause chaos and havoc in their respective countries, hardly at the level israel manages to do so.
I am struggling to see what are you going for with "Sketanyahu". It's the 2nd time you've typed it, so I know it's not a mistake. Is it pronounced like skeet-anyahu as in "Aw skeet skeet muthafucker!"? I've always heard his name pronounced like Net-an-yahoo. Is sket pronounced like "net" a slur I'm not familiar with? Sket kinda makes me think about skeletons (spooky) or skittles (tasty) and I guess Halloween is coming up 🤷♂️
Pissreal makes sense. It's straightforward. You could keep it simple with Satanyahu or Naziyahu. If you wanted to draw parallels to Holocaust for the genocide he's committing you could do NetanyAuschwitz. Not a direct comparison, but I think people would follow that train. I'll say that I thought there'd be a more obvious play with the "yahu" part. Best I could do was Nut-and-yahoo if you want a groaner or NetanYahooSerious if you're into 80s Australian comedy.
A sket is a lil bitch, a disgusting person, with no self-respect or morals and would if given the opportunity let themselves get tossed around for pennies. It's english slang and very derogatory so I don't use it lightly but it fits when talking about the modern day hitler ig 🤷♂️
This sucks for Kirk's family. They should release the Epstein files.
those kids will totally get bullied by other kids showing them the video of their dad dying. that's all I really feel bad about today.
Yea. About the only thing sad about this.
Like, they are still kids, Charlie might have been a bigoted fascist but that's far too complicated for children to fully understand; to them, he was just "Dad".
It is truly unfortunate for them they had the ill fate of being born to such a horrible person, but that horrid person was spreading rhetoric which has resulted in countless other children losing parents themselves. All I can hope is that those kids grow up to understand this.
No amount of mourning their "Dad" will ever compensate the hate he had for his daughter when he said he would allow her to give birth if raped... at age 9.
Is there any confirmation that the shooter was in any way a leftist, or motivated by left wing ideals? From all I know, it was some random guy who could have been a right winger who thinks Trump is centralizing the government which goes against his Ayn Rand ideology; or it could just be a loonie.
For all we know, it could have been an incompetent hunter two kilometres away.
Sir this happened in Utah they use God's own units.
Since it was a rifle we use football fields. 22 football fields away.
American football of course. We have no idea how many football pitches this might have been. 3? 200? There's just no way to know.
who doesn't take the time to clean their rifle while at a public event?
None, here's what we probably know
It was probably done with a rifle at some point, shooter was on a roof, shooter ran away, that's about what we know at this point.
Squids did it!
No. The shooter was a CIA operative sent by Bill Clinton to distract from the Epstein files. It will turn out that the "suspect" is a young black Arab Mexican man from China sent here to start a lgbtq+ revolution.
This is a false flag to further supress any non white Christian men.
Also I don't know who the shooter is. But I do know we were together all day in Florida at the time.
Can confirm, I also was in Florida with ya'll at a BBQ that day.
I bet he was one of those Wiccan Buddhist atheist
We don't even know who did it. This meme is stupid. Could've been another MAGA idiot getting mad at something he said.
I wouldn't say they are desperate. They already just make up shit. A true reason is better than a fake one one but so far "crime" has been good enough to slow walk things.
What's funny is that historically, it's usually a maga moron who does something violent. Even the guy who shot Trump voted Republican
My money is on a Trump/CIA plot to distract from the Epstein files.
I would say it's not even to distract as much as to silence him. If you watch the event, he was talking about it 20 minutes before being shot. He was saying that other republicans needed to answer for blocking the release of said files. The fact he wasn't letting go of the epstein case and he has one of the biggest followings of young republicans, he was a threat to whoever doesn't want that discussed. It's possible it could have been something else, but who knows?
If true, things are not looking great for Nick Fuentez.
I swear, Trump could order the military to murder every single person left on the political spectrum of Hitler tomorrow, and people would be like "Stop trying to distract from the Epstein files".
I mean, we have a pedophile in the white house, and an open cover up of it. A normal person would be on trial right now, and/or already in prison. We should be making a big deal about it.
Sure, make a big deal about it. But everything that happens isn't an attempt at distracting from it. That's just distracting from the other shit.
You can’t convince me this and the trump shooter aren’t right wing gambits.
Will this one finally distract from the Epstein files?
This is a safer way to look at the Epstein birthday book (PBS link) if you’re interested. Still a PDF. https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2025/09/Request-No.-1.pdf
Easily could be someone Charlie fucked over. Could be a gambling debt.
Based on what exactly?
I'd imagine it's an ex-supporter though. No one is more upset than someone who feels betrayed by someone they used to trust.
Recent flip flopping from the right wing on issues like releasing the Epstein files, and gun rights for trans people. Both seem like they have the potential to piss off members of the base.
Trump ordered all flags at half mast until Sunday. If I had a flagpole, I'd be racing to add an extension on to it, even if it looked like shit, to raise it higher.
It's like flying the flags at half-staff if Joe Rogan took too much ket this weekend.
Flying the flags at half mast for a bigot.
Trump's America.
MAGA doesn’t learn.
Didn't they not even find the shooter? It could be like trump's failed assassin
There was no attempt. Its should be so blindingly obvious by now. This guy cries bitches and moans abt shit from the 90s, if it was real he'd still be crying about this shit today akh. He slapped his ear after the "gunshot" and in the famous photo there's NO WOUND, his ear's completely intact, it's js red. You'd think after a man almost got his headtop licked off, he'd have a wound 😐 What's more damaging, EAR CARTILAGE DOESN'T FUCKING HEAL, so yeah it was staged.
Now onto the kirk bastard the shooter who has not been found yet btw, had made the shot from a building 200 yards away with a high-powered rifle. Now I'm no conspiracy theorist, and this is ALL purely speculation, tr*mp posted on truth his message to send prayers. At that EXACT same minute Ben Sketanyahu stopped his bombing campaign of 7 different countries to tweet his prayers for kirk.
200 m was the standard range distance when I was in the army and we'd usually group in at least 10 or 15 cm target with iron sights. And that was with a plain Famas.
200m is nothing with a rifle.
What the hell are you talking about. 200 yards with a .308 is a totally doable shot. I dropped deer at that distance.
Yea, when I take my AR15 out the range I got to is 250 yards, and I hitting my target is super easy
I understand that, but respectfully deer is a way bigger target than his neck and take into account he was sat under a visually obstructing gazebo tent. Considering they were estimated and likely to have been far more elevated than charlie in a nearby building, a shot like that's not an easy one.
A deer is very similar in size to a human, just shaped different, and I only hunt from my elevated back porch. I'm not saying that it wasn't a professional who did it, but it was not some super difficult shot. This could have been done by anyone that practices.
He almost certainly wasn't aiming for the neck. Probably the head, or if you're a Trump did it conspiracy person, maybe the shoulder and it was "supposed" to be a flesh wound :p
I js watched Kyle Kulinski's in depth analysis on the shooting, and he mentioned the fact that if you slow it down you'll see it originally hit his bulletproof vest and ricocheted into his neck. I also didn't say tr*mp did it, I don't think he did. He does a really gd hr long analysis on the shooting and despite no mentions of Israel or mossad, proves it's blatantly obvious it was not a lone gunman and was very clearly professionally done, but I think you can put 2 & 2 together.
MAJOR BREAKING: CHARLIE KIRK UPDATES, PROFESSIONAL HIT JOB? | The Kyle Kulinski Show - Secular Talk
Nah, it could be a veteran. We shoot at 100, 200, 300 and 500 yards away. It's not that hard to believe.
200 yards is pushing it with the bb guns we train kids with. 200 yards with a rifle isn't a big deal. Kind of at the limit of iron sights. Once you're dialed in though you can group rounds in to something about the size of a dinner plate pretty easily.
Uh he didn't die slowly, it was essentially instantaneous
No, I understand he got hit in the neck and blood instantly started gushing out, essentially guaranteeing a 1 way trip to hell, but he was pronounced dead at the hospital, and stayed alive for a surprising amount of time.
Sometimes hospitals will endeavor to be overly optimistic, running a code for way longer than is likely to work. There's a slim chance something pans out, even if the patient is unable to recover from a persistent vegetative stare.
Who knows about his vitals, but he almost certainly didn't significantly suffer, he was unconscious before he could realize what happened.
I saw an accident where a car rolled and a passenger was ejected and his head hit the asphalt at speed, leaving skull and brain matter on the asphalt. The news reported that he was pronounced dead at the hospital about an hour later.
Especially if that person is famous and litigious.
Or has a cult of fanatics that is prone to conspiracy theories that will take any opportunity to imagine the medical staff deliberately let them die...
If you saw the video, it was clear that he was hit in the brain stem and was dead instantly from hydrostatic shock. Look at what his arms did instantly.
You're only pronounced dead at the hospital AFAIK (or by a doctor or something), so even when your head just explodes, you have to wait until the ambulance makes it to the hospital to be pronounced dead. Doesn't mean you survived until they decided that chest compressions weren't working.
They also didn't pronounce JFK dead at the scene despite half his brains being in Jackie's lap ...
Well yeh, but when they pronounced him dead they stated his time of death at the precise moment when his headtop went flying, which is when he died. Charlie had officially died roughly 2h after the shot, he may have been a vegetable/unconscious but still by all accounts alive.
It's someone from the right. It's always someone from the right. Every single time
Popping off solo is an exclusively conservative extremist position
Leftist extremism is group based
The guy who shot up the Congressional baseball game was at least a socdem, wasn't he?
Huh... Yeah, apparently. I guess I'll have to start saying every time instead of literally every time now
Couldn't the Unabomber be debatably extreme left? Not that it really matters, because going extreme enough in either direction ends up pretty close to the other--horseshoe theory or something.
Horshoe theory is bullshit.
Politics do not exist in a spectrum, that's insane. Extremism is one dimension of many that describe a political position
I think the point is that if you go extreme enough on any part of the spectrum/plot/whatever, you're going to be supportive of generally unpalatable/harmful ideology.
Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying is bullshit
Generally, on one extreme you have a distopian nightmare, on the other extreme you have something impractical, but would be great if it worked
And willingness to do violence to achieve political goals is another axis. On one extreme, you use violence against everyone not part of your group. On the other, even the slightest property damage or inconvenience to others is unacceptable
Those aren't the same thing. One option is horrible, the other is impractical, but wouldn't it be nice if it worked?
That's fair, I agree with that.
Unabomber was 30+ years ago, and he explicitly identifies the left with society's problems
Here is a nice summary of how the Unabomber (and apparently the author of the article) perceived the left:
https://medium.com/@eric.johnson7654/i-agree-with-the-unabomber-about-leftists-4cc100896e64
i'm more than a bit skeptical that "the left" was responsible for this. I think its highly likely that this was a false flag attack.
given the location and the years i lived there, knowing nothing else i'd think it's someone who thinks kirk wasn't far right enough
I fucking hate BlueAnon. Sure there's a good chance it was someone even farther right than he was, but not everything is a false flag. Do you have literally any evidence of it being a false flag beyond "just think about it bro"?
The fact that the bullet casings supposedly had "transgender" wording inscribed on them is a little too convenient to not raise suspicion. Either A) whole thing was setup or B) evidence is being doctored. C) Could be all on the up and up and everything just falls into place perfectly, but how likely really?
I wouldn't be surprised if evidence was being tampered with or mishandled, but there's a lot of distance between mishandled/misleading evidence and a false flag attack. If there's evidence of a false flag that's one thing, but I'm gonna need more than "think about it, is everything really on the up and up?"
This is MAGA propaganda to spur them on. Who really thinks it was anyone other than trump and his goons who made this happen. They probably already had the 'shooter' picked out and are planning the frame as we speak. It worked with Luigi so they will just keep doing it until its the US version of fell out a window.
What video card and monitor combo for 3400 fps?
Pair up a 5090 with a 640x480 monitor and open up your copy of Quake 1. Easy 3400 fps.
Don't give Elmo any ideas....
Oh, I wonder how this meme will age.
Risky, but I took the shot.
I didnt like Kirk. I didn't agree with what he had to say. But by God he was a person, and the whole left vs right thing needs to fucking stop.
I find it a little grotesque how thrilled people are about it, but no one is happy he's dead just because he's "right". They're happy because he was a monster that inflicted a lot of pain on other people intentionally. He was an absolutely piece of shit.
He was also a prolific bigot spreading his bigotry to millions of gullible people.
Good riddance.
Killing is not the best outcome, but the left versus right thing should definitely happen. The right kills way more than the left could even think about killing. The right needs to stop being a thing.