The median is a statistical fact that can be used by humans in both good and bad ways. Lots of data can be made to look lots of different ways in the hands of different people.
That's why teaching critical thinking (not just the skills but the importance and value) is paramount. People need to understand what they're looking at. Because sometimes you want the mean, other times you want the median, and if you can't even understand when you might want one or the other or both for different reasons then you can be led around by the nose with either.
I just assume all humans are being manipulative and
never trust whatever it is they are saying
can't get fooled if you assume everyone and everything is crooked
and statistically, you'll be mostly right.
Many people have the capacity. And there are enough shitty people that they will take advantage if given the opportunity.
But most people are just trying to live their lives as best they can, and much of their selfishness can be unlearned, or isn't really selfishness anyway, just survival instinct and misinformation
That's because there's always someone bringing politics into casual conversations and it's tiresome. Yes the world is fucked, most of us here are well aware. Let us enjoy some escapism every now and then, maybe.
Let us enjoy some escapism every now and then, maybe.
I'd like only escapism please,
even escapism is political of course,
because everything is political anyway,
but as long as you don't look up it's fine !
Either that or somehow merging with the local environment, which is what I do. I can be the focus of the foreground taking up 50 percent of the picture and still be missed. It's great security cameras just don't recognize me and when I worked at Amazon during covid it took them a bit to get me on the infracamera because I was apparently the same temp as the air.
Camouflage implies that I blend in through matching the environment when in practice I'm basically just not particularly noticable unless I want to be. Though I don't know what's going on with cameras and my body heat, my best guess is that I somehow run counter to the training data for recognition since motion based ones track me fine and that my body naturally trends towards matching the current temperature for thermoregulation reasons.
Now I wonder, there are most certainly no such protections in place if an underage person goes into coma for long enough that their physical body is aged 18+. Wouldn't your mind have experienced only very little development through that time, though?
The same laws that protect drunk, unconscious, disabled, senile, or otherwise incapacitated people would still apply. Here, the 18-year-old with a child's mind would be deemed incompetent, and assigned a guardian.
no, the Alien. disney owns 20th century fox, so they own the Alien franchise. there's an Alien Queen, so the one in the first film is a disney princess.
This is why the concept of statistical outlier and standard deviation exists.
Had I seen something like this in any analysis I would either assume some fault in the measurement (either reading or technical) or error in punching the data. Then ignored the result if it couldn't be reproduced, but leave it in the raw data/graph/figure and explain the exlution.
I’m surprised that the Frozen sisters are 21 and 24. I thought they were closer in age, and younger.
I can't help but notice the earlier entries are tagged as younger when there's no real notable age gap between, say, Jasmine and Elsa. Jane Porter, from Tarzan, could easily be in her late-20s/early-30s. Aurora and Cinderella could be anywhere from a very mature 16 to a slightly immature 24 (if their birthdays weren't a pivotal part of their plots, anyway). Mulan is punching way above her weight class at age 16. Esmerelda could pass as early 30s, easily, just on her mannerism and professional talent.
The only one that really works at this age bracket is Alice.
I'm not sure Alice would even qualify as a Disney Princess, unless there's some lineage I'm unaware of. She's already one of the few without some sort of romantic subplot.
Mulan... Aristocracy with a royal award maybe, but not really royalty either.
Disney Princess is a product line that has very little to do with simply being a princess in a Disney movie. Anna and Elsa are not Disney Princesses because they sell well enough on their own.
Funny enough that frozen is always shown in school, but they never finished it. They always play like about 45 minutes of class time duing holidays where there is no classwork to do. Already finished school by now and I'mma just google the plot lol
What is creepy about it? The entire story is really about Alice discovering rules and how she likes them so much. That is very much the world of an 8 year old. Not to mention all of the fanciful characters and tropes that were dreamed up.
There are many academic critiques and studies of the work. It is also central to Open AI's QKV layers model alignment training. The story is the primary catalyst for creative randomness in terms of internal model thinking in both LLMs and embedding models used in image diffusion. For instance, all of the mechanisms that Alice used to become bigger and smaller are present in diffusion AI models with the caveat that no real person place or thing is present in the prompt. One does not need to bring up the detailed context of the story if one prompts the element with good specificity. A far easier method to play with is to prompt the queen of hearts or Alice as a character in an image using just a foundational base model. It should be quite clear how these images are a bit different in many ways. Those differences are not random and they are persistent across all models. Literary nonsense is the actual randomness that shows up in background objects and clothing in images. Prompting against the abstraction of genre is far more effective than attempting to describe your own details in the prompt with specificity.
In literature in general, Carroll's work is the holotype for a genre. Analysing the work speaks to the human experience on many levels. The work has long been appreciated by all ages. So I am a bit baffled about what you find creepy about age in any context such as this. Like what kind of assumptions do you possibly feel grounded in here?
I don't understand what you wrote. Please explain like I've not take a literature class since high school. (I read, but mostly for fun or computer tech information, which is also for fun.)
There is more to the story of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland than just a children's story. There are several podcasts and blog posts on this that are easy to find. The book is public domain and on Gutenberg.org. There are also several audio book reads of the original text on YT. It is considered the holotype or foremost representative book in the literary nonsense genre, (the book ends with all of wonderland being a dream).
What I got out of it (including the clarification) was "AI ties to Alice in some way also Alice in Wonderland is deeper than you think" and the ties to AI were where I felt it was either nonsense or not written for the audience.
I have actually read Alice in Wonderland and it has themes but its not more deep then pure fantasy story telling for a child. The story was generated by the author on a camping trip with his good friend. His friend had a young daughter and he made up a story for her... and he decied it was good enough for everyone to enjoy.
It also twinged my implausibilty meter when they said there were several easy to find podcasts and blog posts on the depths of AiW, but didn't link to any....
Edit: the first, long comment made me think it was some autist's [not derogatory] special interest and that they were too deep to explain it well. The second comment made me think that was not the case.
Okay, but Kidagakash skews the average so sharply that she's proof of the need for weigthing.
Also, are Alice & Jane actually considered princesses? Jane is Lady Greystone and I could accept her for that, but Alice is just a kid. And if direct adaptations count, why not Wendy? Why not Tiger Lily (who counts if Pocahontas does)? Or Dejah Thoris, the titular "Princess of Mars"?
Esmeralda being 18 is throwing me for a loop. Idk why. All the other ones I can get past looks because they're all meant to be young (and many have ages stated) but I literally never once viewed Esmeralda as a teenager in the movie. Early 20s maybe. Maybe they mentioned it and I forgot.
Her actual age is unknown, due to nobody knowing what year she was born. Estimates put her at around 10 or 11 when John Smith arrived. Some people say he was romantically involved with her, but others believe he played that part up to keep her from getting killed by other settlers. Those people say she was simply a translator and ambassador for several years, since she was able to learn English relatively quickly. She was ~16-17 when she was taken hostage, forcibly baptized, and married off to a tobacco farmer. She died only a few years later, around the age of 20 or 21.
Not seen the movie but I assume she behaves like a 22 yo as well?
That's one of the many things that threw me with LotR Rings of Power was how Galadriel behaved like a teen while being between 3,412 and 5,353 years old.
My guess is he's less than a year old in earth years. He was created and hatched from a capsule, much like we see in the TV series. Depending on when he was discovered and presented to the galactic federation, he could be days old, technically.
To be included in the Disney Princess line, a character must be a protagonist or main supporting character in an animated theatrical film produced by a studio owned by The Walt Disney Company that is the first film in its franchise (thus excluding characters introduced in sequels, direct-to-video films and television series), must be human in her standard form and in general should be a princess by way of either marriage to a prince or through herself descending from a monarch or tribal chief. Exceptionally heroic characters who do not have a royal title can also be included.
The list of official princesses kept changing over time, mainly because new characters were added to the list as new movies emerged. Still, three princesses were removed from it in 2005: Tinker Bell, Esmeralda, and Jane Porter. The reasons why they made the list in the first place are not entirely clear since they are neither main characters in their films nor do they have royal heritage.
[...] In Esmeralda's case, the reason was that the sales of The Hunchback of Notre Dame products were not going as Disney had hoped, and the character was not as popular with the audience.
Okay, so looking it up, it seems that the Beast was/is a prince, which in at least some traditions would mean his wife would be elevated to the rank of princess. I don't know if that's how it worked in the original French short story.
Yep, Alice is the only one on here (as far as I care to investigate) that has never been part of the Disney Princess brand. Jane and Esmeralda both used to be until 2005. See my reply to the comment you're replying to for more information if you're curious.
A perfect example of why median exists
Easy mistake, her name is Merida. Not sure what she's a perfect example of though?
Percentile gang, let's go! 😎
The median, or 50th percentile, here would be 17 or 18, meaning 50% of the princesses are aged 17 or lower, and 50% are aged 18 or higher.
Nah, it's the perfect example of why the median is a pathetic excuse of a statistical tool that is only used by those that wish to opress minorities
the median person uses 0mg of meth a day, the mean person uses about 1.7mg per day.
medians supress minorities
The median is a statistical fact that can be used by humans in both good and bad ways. Lots of data can be made to look lots of different ways in the hands of different people.
That's why teaching critical thinking (not just the skills but the importance and value) is paramount. People need to understand what they're looking at. Because sometimes you want the mean, other times you want the median, and if you can't even understand when you might want one or the other or both for different reasons then you can be led around by the nose with either.
You fell for the shitpost
I provided a proper explanation for the silent observers ;)
I just assume all humans are being manipulative and
never trust whatever it is they are saying
can't get fooled if you assume everyone and everything is crooked
and statistically, you'll be mostly right.
Ehhhhhhhh that's generally untrue honestly.
Many people have the capacity. And there are enough shitty people that they will take advantage if given the opportunity.
But most people are just trying to live their lives as best they can, and much of their selfishness can be unlearned, or isn't really selfishness anyway, just survival instinct and misinformation
:-D that's actually funny. Keep it up, ignore the people that don't understand satire and downvote.
How can everyone miss the shitpost in the shitposting community. Seeing all the downvotes is so funny
That's because there's always someone bringing politics into casual conversations and it's tiresome. Yes the world is fucked, most of us here are well aware. Let us enjoy some escapism every now and then, maybe.
I'd like only escapism please,
even escapism is political of course,
because everything is political anyway,
but as long as you don't look up it's fine !
It is a joke in a joke sub. Take a break from the news if random shitposts are triggering you
So we can solve drug abuse by being nice?
😂 how does the fact that that average person doesn't use meth oppress anyone?
makes meth addicts feel left out
It's almost as if the different forms of averages are useful for different applications.
You gain a lot more information about a dataset when you have both the mean and the median, compared to just the mean.
This still is killing me. Why is this so funny? All the others look like good images of the characters!
This is just how people with Scottish blood look when you take photos of them, my source is my family photo album.
Frazzled and caught slightly unprepared?
Either that or somehow merging with the local environment, which is what I do. I can be the focus of the foreground taking up 50 percent of the picture and still be missed. It's great security cameras just don't recognize me and when I worked at Amazon during covid it took them a bit to get me on the infracamera because I was apparently the same temp as the air.
Edit:Covid not civic
It must be really cool having natural camouflage. I'm jealous haha.
Camouflage implies that I blend in through matching the environment when in practice I'm basically just not particularly noticable unless I want to be. Though I don't know what's going on with cameras and my body heat, my best guess is that I somehow run counter to the training data for recognition since motion based ones track me fine and that my body naturally trends towards matching the current temperature for thermoregulation reasons.
The best kind f camouflage
And if you take a picture with a flash, they get a sunburn.
so what you're saying is that if i raid a scottish blood bank i'll look funny on the security cameras when leaving the building?
She looks like a meerkat.
😐
Wasnt Snow White in a magical sleep for like a hundred or so years?
I mean, yes, but she's only physically and mentally 14.
If you put a child in cryostasis until she's technically 18 you would still be a pedo if you did anything to her.
Oh, no, this is the next big startup fad, isn’t it?
Hello and welcome to Epstein Cryo-land!
...next?
Oof, yeah, that's definitely something that will need to be looked at when cryotech starts being a thing.
Now I wonder, there are most certainly no such protections in place if an underage person goes into coma for long enough that their physical body is aged 18+. Wouldn't your mind have experienced only very little development through that time, though?
The same laws that protect drunk, unconscious, disabled, senile, or otherwise incapacitated people would still apply. Here, the 18-year-old with a child's mind would be deemed incompetent, and assigned a guardian.
There's got to be something more concrete than that, should the guardian be the problem...
Laws are for generalities. Courts are for specificities. The situation you describe is resolved in the courts, not by legislation.
If the guardian is the problem, the courts assign a new guardian. That guardian can be another relative, or it could be a department of the state.
what if they can prove competence?
Then we respect their personal agency.
That embryo frozen for 24 years or whatever that was successfully implanted and carried to term didn't emerge from the womb 6'1" with an MBA.
Would you have looked at an embryo frozen for 18 years and said "uh-hhuhuh, she's totally legal"?
Same logic applies.
I don't think having sex with frozen embryo goop should be a crime though.
If that embyo goop isn't your property, it should be.
And if you've broken into the fertility clinic, that's definitely a crime.
what if the fertility clinic went bankrupt and you purchased it and all of its assets?
See my first sentence.
Youre thinking of sleeping beauty, not snow white
Alice is only a princess in Kingdom Hearts lore.
Merida is technically Pixar. She's like a step-Princess.
Which reminds me, where's Leia?
or the Alien?
Or Klinger?
Worth the wait.
Stitch?
no, the Alien. disney owns 20th century fox, so they own the Alien franchise. there's an Alien Queen, so the one in the first film is a disney princess.
Then Ripley should count too.
Do partial clones of a queen count as princesses?
Let's not talk about Whedon's movie...
I...need to see non-genAI image of Alien Queen in princess dress
I DEMAND MY CUTE CUDDLY DEADLY ZENOMOPH STORY! I bet the daughter would kill her mother and then assume the Queen role?
By the time that Brave was made, Pixar was a wholly owned subsidiary of Disney. That's a distinction without a difference.
By this logic then Sally from the Nightmare Before Christmas should also be a Disney princess since Touchstone Pictures was wholly owned by Disney.
All hail Disney Princess Sally!
I'm ok with this. 😊
Meanwhile Ariel just chills in her world in KH1. Really wonder why they made that choice.
I guess Maleficent didn’t want to fill one of the princess of heart containers with saltwater.
Saltwater tanks are just so much effort. Maybe if she was a freshwater species
they didn't want to model a mermaid wheelchair for her to go around on the other land-based worlds
She would die if she's being kept like the other princess.
The Alien Xenomorphs can live for millennia, and they’ve been technically eligible as Disney princesses since March 2019.
Even Max Klinger is technically eligible.
This is why the concept of statistical outlier and standard deviation exists.
Had I seen something like this in any analysis I would either assume some fault in the measurement (either reading or technical) or error in punching the data. Then ignored the result if it couldn't be reproduced, but leave it in the raw data/graph/figure and explain the exlution.
Heck, even opting for median age over the mean would work in this case!
I'm surprised that the Frozen sisters are 21 and 24. I thought they were closer in age, and younger.
Edit: They are actually 18 and 21 in Frozen. The second movie is 3 years later.
I can't help but notice the earlier entries are tagged as younger when there's no real notable age gap between, say, Jasmine and Elsa. Jane Porter, from Tarzan, could easily be in her late-20s/early-30s. Aurora and Cinderella could be anywhere from a very mature 16 to a slightly immature 24 (if their birthdays weren't a pivotal part of their plots, anyway). Mulan is punching way above her weight class at age 16. Esmerelda could pass as early 30s, easily, just on her mannerism and professional talent.
The only one that really works at this age bracket is Alice.
I'm not sure Alice would even qualify as a Disney Princess, unless there's some lineage I'm unaware of. She's already one of the few without some sort of romantic subplot.
Mulan... Aristocracy with a royal award maybe, but not really royalty either.
Disney Princess is a product line that has very little to do with simply being a princess in a Disney movie. Anna and Elsa are not Disney Princesses because they sell well enough on their own.
They both count in kingdom hearts iirc
Funny enough that frozen is always shown in school, but they never finished it. They always play like about 45 minutes of class time duing holidays where there is no classwork to do. Already finished school by now and I'mma just google the plot lol
Is Alice 10 in Disney? In Lewis Carroll's original work she is 8.
They aged her up so it would be less creepy
What is creepy about it? The entire story is really about Alice discovering rules and how she likes them so much. That is very much the world of an 8 year old. Not to mention all of the fanciful characters and tropes that were dreamed up.
There are many academic critiques and studies of the work. It is also central to Open AI's QKV layers model alignment training. The story is the primary catalyst for creative randomness in terms of internal model thinking in both LLMs and embedding models used in image diffusion. For instance, all of the mechanisms that Alice used to become bigger and smaller are present in diffusion AI models with the caveat that no real person place or thing is present in the prompt. One does not need to bring up the detailed context of the story if one prompts the element with good specificity. A far easier method to play with is to prompt the queen of hearts or Alice as a character in an image using just a foundational base model. It should be quite clear how these images are a bit different in many ways. Those differences are not random and they are persistent across all models. Literary nonsense is the actual randomness that shows up in background objects and clothing in images. Prompting against the abstraction of genre is far more effective than attempting to describe your own details in the prompt with specificity.
In literature in general, Carroll's work is the holotype for a genre. Analysing the work speaks to the human experience on many levels. The work has long been appreciated by all ages. So I am a bit baffled about what you find creepy about age in any context such as this. Like what kind of assumptions do you possibly feel grounded in here?
I don't understand what you wrote. Please explain like I've not take a literature class since high school. (I read, but mostly for fun or computer tech information, which is also for fun.)
There is more to the story of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland than just a children's story. There are several podcasts and blog posts on this that are easy to find. The book is public domain and on Gutenberg.org. There are also several audio book reads of the original text on YT. It is considered the holotype or foremost representative book in the literary nonsense genre, (the book ends with all of wonderland being a dream).
Thank you. I follow a tad better.
its pro AI jibberish, probably written with AI tools
What I got out of it (including the clarification) was "AI ties to Alice in some way also Alice in Wonderland is deeper than you think" and the ties to AI were where I felt it was either nonsense or not written for the audience.
I have actually read Alice in Wonderland and it has themes but its not more deep then pure fantasy story telling for a child. The story was generated by the author on a camping trip with his good friend. His friend had a young daughter and he made up a story for her... and he decied it was good enough for everyone to enjoy.
It also twinged my implausibilty meter when they said there were several easy to find podcasts and blog posts on the depths of AiW, but didn't link to any....
Edit: the first, long comment made me think it was some autist's [not derogatory] special interest and that they were too deep to explain it well. The second comment made me think that was not the case.
I think you need to go outside bro
I think you need to pick up a book. Maybe get out of the sun. It can be harmful you know, bro
I'm gonna need a source for that 'cause, like, they weren't really concerned about creepiness back in the 50s from what I can tell.
That's the joke.
Dating for american presidents be like:
I'm not usually one to care about how a meme is cropped but... goddamn lol
those random Korean letters at the bottom are absolutely critical to the meme and had to be included
Wow, I better stop jerking it to Jasmine. 🤷
Pocahontas is also younger than labeled. IIRC she was like 17 when she was forced into marrying a tobacco farmer. She died only a few years later.
the chart is referring to Disney characters not "real" people
Idk, I think it's worse that they not only white washed consent into it, but her age in the first place.
Where did they get the ages from then? It seems to me most Disney movies explicitly don't mention age in any sort of direct manner
Production materials. A lot of movies have details written down that never make it into the script.
Yeah, that one was the one that surprised me. I would have guessed she was supposed to be late 20s.
Probably legal where she's from. 🤢
Yeah, Ahgrabah is crazy
By the way, child marriage is legal in a number of US states right now.
Okay, but Kidagakash skews the average so sharply that she's proof of the need for weigthing.
Also, are Alice & Jane actually considered princesses? Jane is Lady Greystone and I could accept her for that, but Alice is just a kid. And if direct adaptations count, why not Wendy? Why not Tiger Lily (who counts if Pocahontas does)? Or Dejah Thoris, the titular "Princess of Mars"?
Needs more Kuzco.
Wtf movie is the 8800 from? That and the top right are the only characters I don't recognize.
Atlantis, her name is kida, altantians are super long lived because of the crystal on her neck.
That one with the skinny dude with glasses.
Okay, I think I found it: "Atlantis: The Lost Empire"?
Top right is Aurora/Briar Rose from Sleeping Beauty
one of my favorites of that era along with treasure island
I think you mean Treasure Planet.
yup definitely meant that one
Treasure Planet and Atlantis are two of the best. They go well together too.
Not surprised its unrecognized. The movie is a hidden gem.
Esmeralda being 18 is throwing me for a loop. Idk why. All the other ones I can get past looks because they're all meant to be young (and many have ages stated) but I literally never once viewed Esmeralda as a teenager in the movie. Early 20s maybe. Maybe they mentioned it and I forgot.
Crazy movie though. Frolo is so fucked.
IRL Pocahontas was like 11 or 12.
Her actual age is unknown, due to nobody knowing what year she was born. Estimates put her at around 10 or 11 when John Smith arrived. Some people say he was romantically involved with her, but others believe he played that part up to keep her from getting killed by other settlers. Those people say she was simply a translator and ambassador for several years, since she was able to learn English relatively quickly. She was ~16-17 when she was taken hostage, forcibly baptized, and married off to a tobacco farmer. She died only a few years later, around the age of 20 or 21.
Mulan was too cool.
Mulan has the highest kill count... I think
The avalanche definitely ups her count some.
I like the 8800 year old :>
Got that multiple millennia of wisdom while still being 22 physiologically somehow
Not seen the movie but I assume she behaves like a 22 yo as well?
That's one of the many things that threw me with LotR Rings of Power was how Galadriel behaved like a teen while being between 3,412 and 5,353 years old.
Well yeah, rings of power is corporate fanfiction, it's not the galadriel JRRT wrote
Damn it, Princess Georg
I didn't realize Mulan was a child soldier until now.
How old is Stitch?
Stitch is assigned male
Some people want to fuck the princes answer the question
My guess is he's less than a year old in earth years. He was created and hatched from a capsule, much like we see in the TV series. Depending on when he was discovered and presented to the galactic federation, he could be days old, technically.
Ah oof
Still a princess.
... Esmeralda isn't a princess tho
OP forgot to capitalize the P.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_Princess
https://movieweb.com/official-disney-princess-rules/
But as the reply said, Alice is not a Disney Princess nor a princess.
That would exclude Mulan, yet she is listed as princess.
Maybe they need new lineups. Attn Disney marketing: princesses, fairies, and mulan!
Esmeralda stood up for Quasimodo when he was being harassed by a huge crowd. That's pretty damn heroic.
But I saw another comment say being a main protagonist is the way to circumvent the nobility rule, and Mulan is that, but Esmeralda's not.
Saving Chiha and the Emperor is especially heroic.
Or Belle or Jane.
Belle marries nobility
Okay, so looking it up, it seems that the Beast was/is a prince, which in at least some traditions would mean his wife would be elevated to the rank of princess. I don't know if that's how it worked in the original French short story.
Nor Alice...
Yep, Alice is the only one on here (as far as I care to investigate) that has never been part of the Disney Princess brand. Jane and Esmeralda both used to be until 2005. See my reply to the comment you're replying to for more information if you're curious.
Jane is considered a disney princess ?
Who here forgot Disney even made Tarzan? ✋
Even knowing that Disney made Tarzan, Jane doesn't "feel" like a Disney princess.
You know who feels like a Disney princess but isn't ? Anastasia !
Jane: Disney yes, Princess no.
Anastasia: Disney no, Princess yes.
How is Pocahontas only 18 and that bottom left one already 19?
Bottom left is Tiana, from Princess and the Frog. They definitely choose a frame where her head is rounder than normal...
nope, it's 17.5. and also 16.
i want to crack 5th one
Rya is missing.
Everyone always forgets Princess Eilonwy.
Who is left third row from bottom and right second row from bottom?
Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Jane from Tarzan, I think.
Esmeralda from Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Jane from Tarzan.
Alice in wonderland isn't a princess tho.
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