I worked as a printer/copier tech for 2 years. I've spent the past 2 years since I left that job gaslighting everyone (including myself) into thinking I know nothing about printers. The peace of mind is well worth it
By that logic, Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak were Boomers so Boomers all know how to fix computers.
Let's face it, "generational" assumptions are all too coarse to be valuable - and are probably just another way to separate and divide us all so we stop thinking about how to take down the ruling classes.
My dad is close to 80. He's been PC savvy since the super early 1980s and he still is, although he is stuck in Windows because he's a monster in the astrophotography world and most of his software isn't supported in Linux etc. I dated a girl in college whose dad was one of the founding creators of the internet. Unlike Al Gore lol.
I taught my younger brother how to program in basic and pascal in the 80s. He's now a super successful programmer. I'm pretty poor but I like to build fix and upgrade people's computers as a hobby. I am gen x.
"We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening."
Al Gore never claimed to have been the founder of the Internet. Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn both defended Al Gore against idiots like you.
Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily in the early 90's calling Al Gore's information superhighway a Democratic Boondoggle. Republicans were fighting to kill the Internet. Al Gore was fighting since the 80's to fund it so it could grow into something bigger than a research network.
If Eisenhower can get credit for the US Interstate Highway system despite not pouring a drop of concrete, then Al Gore gets credit for the Internet.
As one of those Gen-X that actually helped create the dumpster fire we call the modern Internet, I have come to realize that we fall into two camps. You either look young enough to be classified as a Millennial (my wife) or you look old enough to immediately be thrown in the Boomer bucket (me)...which is really unfair because no other generation has hated and fought the fucking Boomers longer than us.
I'd love to show some GenZ photos of Matt Damon, Bem Affleck, Cillian Murphy, etc. and ask them what generation they think they are.
Before I deleted Facebook entirely, I briefly flirted with a Facebook group of Aussie gen xers for a bit of nostalgia, and I had to quit after only a few weeks because the 'back in my day' crowd became too insufferable. It's already happened.
And while gen X definitely were instrumental in creating much of modern tech, most of them are still pretty hopeless at it. Watching some of my similarly aged colleagues trying to use a computer is an exercise in frustration.
Utter BS. I’m on the old end of Gen X and I’m still building PCs for people and troubleshooting their shit when it breaks. I have yet to meet a much younger person who can do it as well.
Gen X seem to be either computer people or totally unaware. Millennials seem to be generally much less knowledgeable than the former and much more knowledgeable than the latter. Obviously there are millennials who are computer people, but my conception of them is more people who got computer science degrees than the person who lives in a shack in the woods and builds his own robots. Boomer computer people are even more formidable.
I’m not saying that’s true, but it’s the stereotype I have in my head.
AOL instant messenger was late to the party. ICQ started the instant messaging fad… that little “uh oh” notification sound is permanently burned into my brain.
Most millenials I deal with don't know how anything works. They know apps and swiping screens. They are computer competent, knowing how to use them. Like knowing how to drive a car doesn't mean you are a mechanic. They frequently know how do basic fixes like rebooting or reinstalling but less frequently have any true troubleshooting understanding.
I don't claim all millenials are like that, but broad stroke its not uncommon. I'd never say the generation as a whole is THE technical one though. I know more Gen Z that are technical by far, but that seems more matching Gen X to me. They either know technology or don't. Nothing in between.
Older Millenial here. It was definitely GenX that paved the way for the computer world I learned, and it was mostly GenX who wrote the books and taught the lessons (often informal) that brought us what knowledge we have, at least in the beginning. Plus a small selection of exceptional individuals from older generations, including, dare I say it,… the baby boomers.
There is a big difference between having the people who invented something and being the people who families (and companies...) depend on to keep them running. This being about the latter.
Or, at least, in my family, we tended to not tell the engineers at Ampex to get their butts downstairs because dad didn't understand why the color was off on the football game he recorded last night
In my day you would either get trash weed with seeds all in it, or pay out the ass for 'kind buds'. You can get whole Ounces in Michigan right now for what we had to pay for a quarter in the 90s..... damn it, you got me doing it! ;)
I used to get my weed in a big trash bag behind the high school from a guy on a yamaha scooter. It was mostly seeds and stems and you had to smoke a lot to even get high but it was great because it gave you something fun to do with friends. I can't handle the weed people smoke nowadays, one toke sends me straight to the nether realm.
You're conflating and confusing a term that has existed since the 60's to describe a time span, with complex societal, economical effects on peoples mindset today.
Your inability to describe and explain the things you want to argue is the issue. Repeating the word again and again is not helping.
Depending on definitions, I'm either a millennial or gen-z. Some of my team mates are awesome and know everything there is to know about computers. Others have knowledge gaps that make me question whether they went to uni. They're also the same people who commonly don't know how to find answers to things. They're also the people proclaiming the loudest about the greatness of Gippers
Kind of a fond/humanised name for chat gpt me and some colleagues use. We've dubbed it our idiot friend, 'Gippers'. Its commonly wrong and there's a group of colleagues who trusts it and a group who doesn't. I think we anthropomorphised the machine a little, and also its maybe a little cringey.
It’s funny how bubbles can change so much. In my personal experience, most Gen Z people know their way around computers and how to fix stuff. I regularly help my millennial sister with stuff like that.
You just have to practice more! Though while I'm pretty good with computers Linux does still scare me a little too, I have a habit of poking around where I'm not supposed to and Linux is more than happy to let you break things
This is how I am for the part (including most people who aren’t computer enthusiasts or CS degree holders). I know my limits on what I am willing to do with command lines because I don’t have time to memorize all that shit.
as a software engineer who didnt go to college, i am not talking about programming; i have peers at work who have a masters degree in CS who know nothing about computers.
i'm talking about troubleshooting problems and fixing them by telling your boomer aunt what to do over a video call when her keyboard makes her computer too slow for her cat to read her favorite comic when she presses the "G" key.
I tried to get into the whole Arduino thing as a Gen Xer. I couldn't believe the complexity and back story you need to know before getting started. Totally baffled by the whole thing. Just give me a processor, some memory and a serial port. Why do I need an IDE, drivers, a bootloader, fifteen different kinds of whatevers I don't understand, yes, I am burned out, where are the Doritos?
You can just install and invoke the compiler directly, and you only need a driver if you're on windows and using the bootloader to program it, and you don't need a bootloader if you have an ISP (programmer) so you can flash it directly, and you don't need anything else though one of the main reason people use Arduino is for the libraries
I just wanted to generate a simple pulse from a switch press. Needless to say since I needed a breadboard anyway, I just popped in a 74LS123 with a resistor and a capacitor.
I couldn't even begin to understand what I needed to get that pulse from an Arduino. And I used to program PICs bare metal.
It's like the complexity traded places. On the PIC, the tools and process are dead simple. But writing the code for the little monsters required understanding every opcode and peripheral and how they interact.
It looks like on the Arduino, I can just type sleep(5000) but to set up the whole thing to get there is where the complexity lies.
If you buy an arduino dev board it'll come with the bootloader already installed, so you just install the ide, install the driver if you':re usingc windows, plug in the board, press upload and you're done?
Let's be fair, we millennial know how to fix stuff because stuff still can be fixed. We can glance back one generation away and learn about how stuff work back then, and also learn how to fix those stuff. Nowadays stuff aren't meant to be fixed, (late) gen z doesn't have thing to start tearing apart and learn about the inner working of stuff, because it's all glued/snapped together, with the culture being once broke just toss.
My dad’s a retired engineer and my mom was a computer programmer. Literal actual baby boomers.
My grandpa was a robotics engineer and thus knew how to use a PC quite well but watching him operate Windows 10 basically without utilizing any tools that came after DOS was bizarre.
To Microsoft’s credit, they have historically been very good about ensuring backwards compatibility. There are a few notable exceptions, but for the most part you can treat Windows as if it is DOS, and it still mostly works.
They aren't saying every person of those generations is the same. Your family is very techy and it makes sense that they'd be knowledgeable, but the point of the meme is that there was a generation that grew up with tech that kinda worked most of the time, forcing them to learn how to use it to be effective, leading to a higher proportion of people knowing how computers work. Nowadays, except if your job is fixing computers, the chance you know them in-depth and how to tinker with them is much lower, because there is no need, they just work most of the time.
Your family is very techy and it makes sense that they’d be knowledgeable, but the point of the meme is that there was a generation that grew up with tech that kinda worked most of the time, forcing them to learn how to use it to be effective,
The problem is their dates are off. Home Computers went mainstream in 1977 with the Apple II.
First introduction to Internet in late highschool or College means you're a gen X.
You can keep still, or whatever, but frankly it doesn't matter. You don't matter. Your parents (Boomer's) mortgaged your generations, and everyone since, future for a pointless capitalist nightmare.
I need to learn this wisdom. Gen x and I fix way too much bullshit from idiots. The only plus side is often people give me their old PCs and some of them have one or two great components. I recycle what I can and salvage anything worth saving but I need to spend less time fixing worthless hardware.
Just pretend you're going senile or 'the new stuff' is just too advanced. If that doesn't work you could always claim to have started a 'tech repair/recycling' side hustle and start billing people.
There are some parts of Gen Z that can actually tear stuff apart and actually fix systems, but those are the nerds (which also includes me) that care enough to actually learn stuff. The majority is quite tech illiterate
You do realize Gen X were the ones who were building their own computers back in the late 80's and all through the 90s and loading them with Windows 3.1 and the original flavors of Linux, on top of fostering the open source world everyone here relies upon? All before Millennials graduated from Jr High.
Not all of Gen Z are tech illiterate. Some of us used computers before iPads and smartphones. I used Windows XP and 7 long before I ever got a smartphone.
Yeah GenX is STILL doing this. Though be of good cheer my millennial brethren...When Skynet takes over, we'll be secure as long as we slave for the overlords. The rest...?
If you all didn’t want to be the New Zealand of generations you would’ve had your mom give birth earlier or later duh.
Just like New Zealand should push itself closer to a continent if it wants to be on maps.
Also as a dum millennial I am always amused when my brethren ask me about social media etc and say I don’t know about tech cause I don’t got an ig account or watever. Bitch please, I have worked in kernel dev I know all the lies we present as a file. I get angy when people that can’t read x86 assembly tell me I’m not technical.
Well I don't know... I worked with boomers who first built out the internet in my country. Now they mostly retired, but the Gen-Xers who remain are also incredible.
My dad who's also a boomer and an anesthesiologist got admin rights at the hospital he worked at because he helped everyone around with their computer troubles and the tech support trusted him and were happy he reduced their ticket load.
What I see is the same for most every generation. You arrive at adulthood and look around judging all the older folks as being clueless. You fail to solve all the worlds problems while you still know it all. Then you get a job and wise up. The ones who never realize they don't know shit are the ones who cause all the trouble.
Yeah, this is more young X and old millennial. Xers born in the late 60s-early 70s and millennials born in the late 80s-90s don't know shit.
I've heard us (young Xs and old millennials) described as the organ Oregon Trail generation. We grew up along side the tech so we understand it better than your average person from before or after.
I'm not sure what their comment said before they fixed it, but if it was "The Organ Trail", that game exists. It's basically "The Oregon Trail", but with zombies.
I'm not sure why people are down voting this. I agree 100%. The most techie people I have ever known are part of what you called "the Oregon Trail generation" (I love this term).
People always get pissy about these generation things. It's not about some people being better than others. There was a period of time where being able to use a computer meant being able to take a tabula rasa machine, install an os using a bunch of disks and a large manual, and figure out how to fix anything without the internet. There was also a period of time where home computers were becoming common. Those two periods overlapped and created a group of non-professional people mostly (MOSTLY) born between 75ish and 85ish that are much better able to use and troubleshoot tech than people born before or after.
But you always end up attracting a bunch of douches saying "I was born in (whenever) and I have a degree in (whatever) and I know more than people blah blah blah." Yeah, I'm not talking about professionals or hardcore hobbyists, I'm taking about regular jerkoffs that had to figure this shit out without specialized education or the internet. It was a unique period that created a group a people different than what came before or after. No judgement, it just is. For some reason certain people take offense to that.
The difference between Gen X and Millennials is that at around age 35 (circa 2009) I started telling people, who were almost always friends of friends who wouldn't actually hang out with me normally, that I charge $100 an hour. Millennials still do it for free...
Haha...fair enough. Honestly though, I suspect anything above free would have worked. Some people have absolutely no respect for other people's time. Especially since I don't "fix computers" for a living.
The point is late X/early millennial were the only ones "forced" to fix tech if we wanted to use it (obviously people older than that needed to as well but they were less likely to be into tech). Shit rarely worked out of the box, plug and play was shit, nothing was standardized, etc. Around the late 90s into the 2000s things worked more reliably without needing tinkering, and then apps came in and shifted things even further from tech literacy.
I'm Gen Z and I was still "forced" to fix tech if I wanted to use it. I mean sure, I didn't have to deal with IRQs, setting up autoexec.bat and config.sys, and so on, but if you're not at least a little bit inclined you wouldn't have the patience to fix things even when you're "forced". You'd just give up and move on. There's always something else to do. Things have gotten easier for sure, which is reducing the exposure to "falling in the rabbit hole" but one way or another interested people will get into it.
It's like how cars are getting simpler to use, but you still have car guys around. We don't say only old people know how to drive stick.
In any case, there's better things to use as a generational boundary; like how a single G5 piano note will trigger a very specific group of people.
Edit: I went off on a tangent above and got argumentative. My original comment before this one was intended to be sarcastic but tone doesn't carry well over text. This whole thing isn't really something to argue about so I'll leave it at that.
The PC revolution started with the Apple 2 in 1977. In the early 80's everyone had a Commodore 64. By the mid 80's everyone had a PC. If you were born in the 80's, you were not editing autoexec files in diapers.
Unless you were poor and your parents could never afford a PC. We still got to use computers some in school at least. I once volunteered for a 'computer camp' which was basically summer school where they would let you play on the computers.
I'm actually, genuinely shocked by the ageism in such debates every single time. There's no such thing as age-based incompetence, TBH. There are sound people for every field available everywhere. Why do we have to assume this? Every generation has at least a few people who are competent in their field, even in computing. It's more important that the literate of us unite to end illiteracy and stop injustice performed in the name of technology. This, honestly, is just making fun of each other, for apparently no sound reason. And I'm talking about the comments, not the meme. I might, or not, get some sour disagreements, or straight-up very bitter replies for arguing even this, ...and again, I ask: Do we reeaaally have to do this?
Technology too has a supposed duty of bringing people together...!
For gen X and older, computers were more niche. They were more difficult to use and mostly reserved to enthusiasts. For gen Z and younger, computers were always just there, and they'd become a lot simpler, a lot more plug n play, and resources to fix them became cheaper and more accessible. Millennials were in just the right environment where computer use became mainstream, but computer software was less developed and user friendly and they frequently had to learn to fix problems themselves.
Every individual will clearly have their own unique experience and not everyone will fall into these buckets, but it's these factors that lead to millennials likely having higher tech skills than average compared to those older and younger than them.
That's it. It's not ageism. It is absolutely generalizing, but mostly, it's social commentary in the form of a joke.
What in the utter fuck is this dog shit take???? lol. Dude, Boomers INVENTED fucking computers. GenX, grow up along side them. We pretty all had a vic 20, Commadore 64, or Spectrum 48k/128k, or Amstrad CPC464. And later on an amiga, or an ST. The list is fucking endless, and thats before you get to to the Apple II, the trs80 and Commadore PET and later 386 PCs.
We grew up with ham radios, VCRs, TVs that only played games on one channel. We had Nintendo and Sega battling it out in the 80s, then Sony, nintendo, panasonic, Sega, NEC, SNK, Philips, Atari, Casio(who created a console exclusively for girls for some reason), Bandi, apple, and fuck knows how many others battling in the 90s. The idea that all these things were invented by/or used by boomer and genx, and you can sit there thinking we dont know how to use shit... We're the fucking figure it out generation, son. If something broke, we had to learn to fix it ourselves. And without youtube videos and FAQs to hold our hands.
Millennials, absolute kings of the terrible takes and pulling information out of their arse.
You're clearly an enthusiast and are one of the exceptions I spoke of. Calm down and think critically, please... Most people did not have Spectrums, Commodores, ham radios, etc. Enthusiasts like you absolutely did, and yes, you knew your shit if you did.
These days everyone has advanced electronic devices. Eveeeeryone.
You really came out swinging for no reason there, eh?
^^^ I love this human. ^^^ Not only did they post a nice answer towards my comment, they're actually settling what could turn into an internet argument from the get go!
I dunno, I've spent enough time in online communities that I'd rather not start fights over things that can simply be talked through. I'm happy to hear Bennyboy's response too if they still disagree with me and believe me to be mistaken, but there's certainly no reason for hostility!
Not an enthusiast. Im the average. And you calm down, or send you to bed without any supper!!!
And as for "coming out swinging", youre god damn right. Cos you people are either ignoring us, or just making up dog shit about us. And now youre giving the shocked Pikachu face, cos someone got sick of the bullshit lies? Dude... I guess that another thing your generation love to do. Make it look like the bullied person standing up for themself is the asshole. Fuck, how you lot love to do that.
I'm not at all giving a shocked Pikachu face in reaction to your comment, if you believe otherwise, you're misreading my intent. I'm also not talking down towards you as a person, doubting your skills, or bullying you. Based on your responses here, I believe you to be a very tech inclined person and are probably highly skilled. A lot of us here on Lemmy fall into that category regardless of age.
What I am saying is that you came into this conversation unnecessarily hot and that your view is likely skewed because you yourself are a tech enthusiast. You come from and are a product of tech, and as such may not realize the lack of tech abilities of those outside of your bubble.
I'm also not saying that Boomers/Gen X have to be bad with tech, or even that all Millennials are. My main point is to highlight median household exposure over different generations leading to memes such as this. For example, in the U.S., only ~8% of households had a computer in 1984 and ~15% in 1989; the UK was ~9% in 1984 and ~17% by 1988 (Source on Census.gov, page 6). PCs didn’t become mainstream at home until the mid to late '90s. By then, late Gen X/Millennials were the teens/20-somethings doing the hands-on fixes, which is why the "Millennial IT support" meme resonates. Skip to kids nowadays growing up on iPhones and tablets and other out of the box easy to use devices that Just Work^TM^, they didn't get the same experience learning to fix shit themselves like the older or middle generations had.
To reiterate, none of this says older folks, nor younger, can’t be great at tech, just that cohort exposure and the kind of tech we grew up with differ and has had it's influences on the whole of generational groups, while not defining every individual within those groups.
If you still feel attacked at this point, that's 100% on you and I don't know what else to say.
"Im not talking down to you" then proceeds to talk down to me... What a prick.
Im not in any "bubble", cunty chops. But you might be. Once again, not an enthusiast. Is there another language I can say that in? And my experiences, the ones I was talking to you about, were from the 80s and 90s. EVERYONE had some form of computer, like I said. If theres GenX around today that dont know about them so much that they need to annoy their genz kids, they are the fucking minority.
As for feeling attacked, no. You misunderstood. Im utterly fucking sick of wee dicks, spouting generational war bullshit. You know, like you dweeby little millennials pricks that cant even get a fucking girl to touch you without an app.
I wasn't talking down to you, I was explaining my perspective backed up with facts you clearly did not look at. I'd ask if you could point out where you feel I'd done so, but as you can see later in my comment, I no longer care.
EVERYONE had some form of computer
This is statistically impossible as you can see from the source that I provided from the US Census Bureau.
What a prick. ... cunty chops ... you dweeby little millennials pricks
Name calling. Nice, dude. For your age, I'd expect you to be more mature. I'll just be reporting, blocking you, and moving on. I tried to have a cordial conversation with you, but you are clearly not capable of doing so. Have a nice day, and a nice life.
"In all things I yearn for the past. Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased. I find that even among the splendid pieces of furniture built by our master cabinetmakers, those in the old forms are the most pleasing.
And as for writing letters, surviving scraps from the past reveal how superb the phrasing used to be. The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say "raise the carriage shafts" or "trim the lamp wick," but people today say "raise it" or "trim it." When they should say, "Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!" they say, "Torches! Let's have some light!" Instead of calling the place where the lectures on the Sutra of the Golden Light are delivered before the emperor "the Hall of the Imperial Lecture," they shorten it to "the Lecture Hall," a deplorable corruption, an old gentleman complained."
Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō
1330 - 1332 AD
My parents are Gen X, me and my older brother are Gen Z.
Parents keep asking, nay, DEMANDING, for us to fix their shit. Then i proceeded to have a fight with my brother about who's responsibility is it to fix it.
Parent's don't know how to use a tax filing website 🤦♂️ (Tbf, they don't know how to fill out paper forms either).
The first time we've ever touched a real computer with internet access was around 2010, before that, we were in mainland China and we had no internet (either too expensive, or unavailable as a service in the areas we lived in, not sure which, or my parents are just being cheap)
I wrote a shell script my mom just has to click on to run the updates and she still can't figure it out. The filename is literally "ClickHereToRunUpdatesMom.sh"
Though i’m the very tail end of genX and a “computer expert”, I pretty much think that the millennial generation being the only generation was all part of a solid de-education plan. At the rate we’re going Its only a matter of time where the tech we have today is forced to be only approved OS, controlled, monitored and IT capable people who know how to bypass will be arrested for violating the law.
It wont even be that hard. Take their gibbity away now and a lot of people (young and old) will be helpless. Or, what will actually happen, minorly change gibbity outputs to fulfill your political agenda to become the first trillionaire, all the while the population doesn't know theyre being fed trash.
There are people out there who would happily give AI all the power in the world to turn their skulls into a highway or a scammer access to their entire bank account just so they don’t have to read out an error and google it for themselves out of fear of technology or even speaking to anyone about technology.
Sort of like those people who would rather drive their car off of a cliff rather than ever hear words from a mechanic or check their own oil.
And when it arrives it turns out you need a new computer as well. Also it's lacking some features you need, and it has some new features nobody asked for. Also fixing it became much harder and doing so can get you to jail.
You are rare and these stereotypes are mostly false. Most people in every generation can’t fix a computer. Maybe the only slight echo of truth is that during the millennial childhood and youth, at least in terms of raw numbers, home computers peaked as the main “tech” children were exposed to, so there might be a little more people who are not professionals, but have some extra comfort with them. Still, that’s a stretch.
This is the "Nobody who isn't a Boomer knows how to fix a car" tier meme material. Just a tired lie that keeps getting recycled as a meme because it's clickbait for the snobs.
Yeah I am GenX, and it's me & the kid who is GenZ are tech support in my family, she is by far my most technologically adept offspring. One millennial kid is hopeless, says "technology hates me", the other just a low-technology sort of person, but fine with computer for work. And the youngest expects everything to just work, which seems to work out for them. Husband is culturally a boomer, LOL but also just expects everything to work, but it doesn't work out as well for him.
Only the GenZ one likes to mess with the computer and likes to know how to fix problems, and she is our pirate as well, the mistress of forbidden content - if something is not on the streaming she can often find it for us.
I'm GenX, I bought my first PC in 1988, and made a living in part, setting up LANs, back when knowing anything at all about computers could get you a job. GenX early adopters taught millennials computers.
To me, "boomer" is a mentality. Sure, they were the kids born after the WW2 economic boom, I get that. But I feel that the mentality is "old and dying off and not worth considering".
Based on what I could find, the generations are made up demographics with no real actual definitive delineation. Too many sources can't agree on where one starts and the other ends.
Unfortunately, I can't find anything that really matches my statement, but I recall seeing it somewhere.
Based on what I could find, the generations are made up demographics with no real actual definitive delineation. Too many sources can't agree on where one starts and the other ends.
But compared to generations before where a calculator* was rare? It's fine. Interested nerd will still consume knowledge on the good bits and the cycle will continue.
*"You can't count on always having a calculator", the teacher said, obviously not clairvoyant.
This is an older story, but I installed Xubuntu on an ssd in my boomer parents Vista era computer to keep it running. They really didnt know the difference, my mom only played solitaire while Thunderbird was managable for my dad. My millenial neice and nephews had no idea either, I'd find exe files they would download, but noone ever said anything about why they didnt work anymore. They have no idea about how computers work.
I'm not very technical, but I had to move a jumper on my old 386 when I upgraded my modem.
I'm not very technical, but I had to move a jumper on my old 386 when I upgraded my modem
I spent 25 years without remembering that, you sonuvabitch! :-D. Sorry, the PTSD takes over sometimes. Goddamned supra winmodems and hot-glued ISA cards in overpriced junk RadioShack/FutureShop computers....
How about jumpers on hard drives while figuring out interrupts and hard drive/controller card matching (I forget what it was called, but there was something about figuring out the interleave, etc).
IDE master/slave jumpers. Wow am I glad we ditched that.
4Mb Ram sharing 1mb with the ghetto cirrus video card, and somehow you need to run winsock and Netscape Communicator on it.
The whole time I'm configuring a customer's machine and grinding my teeth, they're saying how great the salesman was who sold this boat-anchor. I'm proud of holding my tongue for the 90 min it took to complete the courtesy job and go back to the shop.
And immediately after we turned the computer on/off and get it working they will post how millennials are weak because we drink ice coffee and go to yoga.
Also, the bridge was designed as a suspension bridge, but nobody actually knew how to build a suspension bridge, so they got halfway through it and then just added extra support columns to keep the thing standing, but they left the suspension cables because they’re still sort of holding up parts of the bridge.
Idk if I’ve laughed this hard in a while 😂
Once a week my coworker is like, this code has been working for years so we don’t touch it
Most people don’t even know what sysadmins do, but trust me, if they all took a lunch break at the same time they wouldn’t make it to the deli before you ran out of bullets protecting your canned goods from roving bands of mutants.
Hahahahahaha, omg that's a brilliant read. Thank you, I will be sharing it with my technical friends (any kind of technical will get it, one friend is in hydraulics and boy, the stories are so like mine in IT).
The lowest level is transistors, which are electronic switches that have an on and off state. In other words, they are binary and can represent 0 and 1
Those get combined into gates of two inputs. An “and” gate outputs 1 if both its inputs are 1. An “or” gate outputs 1 if either of its inputs are 1. And Xor gate outputs 1 if and only if one of its inputs is 1.
A bunch of other complicated shit happens
Boom assembly. Don’t try and read or write it, because it will make you wanna quit computers
C comes into play. Designed to unfuck, assembly so you can actually write readable code. Just don’t forget to release your memory
More complicated shit. Something about kernels and GNU. Userland vs kernel land? Idk
ARM might be different since it can run process outside of userland and kernel I think? Something about secure compute/marketing BS
Inside of user land, we have the web browser. This is there the cool shit happens.
The browser runs JavaScript, CSS and HTML. JavaScript is a single threaded, but nonblocking language with an even loop and microtask queue.
Inside of the browser we run React. React is a framework where UI is a function of state and the data flows in one direction. It can also be used to slam your CPU.
Now that we’re into high level languages, it would only be fun if it looped back around to the beginning. So we invoke some C code that has been compiled to web assembly. Mmmm how efficient
Edit: I tried to do this all off the top of my head. After writing this, I think I meant user space vs kernel space. Idk if user land is a word
I guess between C and assembly there’s abstract syntax trees and maybe LLVM, which is probably also written in C. Idk I skipped compilers in college.
I also know the networking stack has a bunch of layers, but that felt like its own separate thing to “computers”. I think UDP makes more errors than TCP but UDP also go brrrrr
My impression of C++ is that’s it’s actually C++++++++ as in, how many more decades of features can we cram into this language before it explodes
What’s a CD player /s
Fun fact about a random CD player. The USB-A external CD player Apple sold after removing the internal CD player kinda abused the USB standard. I believe it needed more current than was allowed by USB, so Apple found some way to make this specific device draw more power than the USB standard supported at the time. Today, I believe USB-C includes a handshake that negotiates power requirements, but at the time, USB-A didn’t support this.
Tbh, I don’t really know where assembly ends and machine code starts. But do know that assembly is tied to your specific architecture
Machine code is just the numbers, assembler is mnemonics and stuff and needs an "interpreter" to turn it into useful machine code (a C++ compiler also spits out machine code BTW).
Spot on about USB standards, no idea if apple did what you saulid though, wouldn't doubt it!
Transistors are only on and off switches when run in saturation. This is relevant to CPUs in the sense that the rising/falling edge and jitter affect the setup and hold times and thus the maximum clock rate. End pedantry.
There's an active region between on and off where the current from the collector to emmiter is proportional to the base current. This can be used in other applications like amplifiers. But in digital applications that active region is the transition time between low and high states.
In order to obtain a deterministic outcome the rising edge must be predictable and it must stay at a logic level 1 for long enough to account for propagation delay. These considerations are known as setup and hold. The higher the frequency the clock runs, the tighter these constraints become.
I have a Proxmox server with a random assortment of hard drives and SSDs of various capacities {8TB, 2TB, 2TB, 240GB, 240GB}. I want to create a CephFS filesystem spanning them, using erasure-coded pools in order to maximize capacity (kind of like RAID 5 except without requiring same-sized drives). How do I configure my CRUSH Map in order to accomplish this?
Lol, you lost me there. I've read up on the various RAID configurations. I've heard about CephFS. I don't know much about it, but I get the sense it's the new kid on the block.
I actually have a RAID question for you. I want to setup a little RAID array starting with 2 mirrored drives and add more drives later. But it seems there is no easy way to migrate RAID versions? Let's say I want to start with 2, then 3, than 4 drives as stuff fills up. I always want some level of redundancy. And I don't want to use any additional drives aside from the 2, 3, then 4 in the array. Is this possible? Either with RAID or with CephFS?
Funny you should mention that, because it's what got me thinking about Ceph in the first place. My other Proxmox node has a 2-drive mirrored ZFS pool, and I went to add a third drive to it and realized that I'd have to move all the data off and rebuild it from scratch, so I started looking for other solutions.
So yeah, I think Ceph can add to an array after-the-fact like that (in addition to the not-waste-capacity-of-random-assorted-disks thing), but I haven't figured it out enough yet to be sure.
Pc gaming is kinda bringing gen z and alpha back to the light. RGB is how the get you and before you know it you're watching pewdepie's guide to installing Linux and custom android roms.
I'm quite optimistic about the computing future tbh! With LLM helping with troubleshooting the field should be much more accessible for anyone willing to learn.
Use the forbidden fruit or caged reward method to teach.
Start with something like (assuming they have have a low tier phone) giving them a Google Pixel, but with the stock ROM erased, as a random day gift (not birthday or such).
When they ask why it won't turn on right, tell them it's because it needs a ROM to be installed to be used. When they ask what that is, open up Wikipedia for them, along with the GrapheneOS instructions.
You can do it with other stuff too, like "no wifi at home past 7pm", but give them a router that needs something installed to run and say "but if you setup this and plug it in to the internet, it'll be your own wifi you can use at all times" and so on.
interestingly, here in the balkans, there are plenty of gen z techy guys. they aren't full blown engineers but they can fix a lot of basic everyday problems. proud to be slavic lol
Great guy know is an actual boomer, grew up in Canada and then London after the war (dad was an MP). That dude took a passenger ship from Canada to UK and then back.
Was in Jolly ol' England at the right to see the Beatles before they were the Beatles.
He was doing things with palm pilots and computers that no senior citizen should have been doing if this ageist shit was in anyway accurate
They did use letters, but they started with Gen X, because X was a cool letter in the 80s. Gen Y was changed to millennials because that was the time period they grew up in. Then Gen Z, which is the end of the alphabet, so they restarted, but with the Greek alphabet for gen alpha.
Gen X - who, let's face it, wrote most of this stuff - gets forgotten again.
Fine with me. Leave us the hell alone.
Oh it's a printer? I, uh, yeah, no I don't know anything about printers sorry.
PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?!
I worked as a printer/copier tech for 2 years. I've spent the past 2 years since I left that job gaslighting everyone (including myself) into thinking I know nothing about printers. The peace of mind is well worth it
That’s cool. We’re used to being forgotten and this way nobody will ask us to fix their computer.
By that logic, Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak were Boomers so Boomers all know how to fix computers.
Let's face it, "generational" assumptions are all too coarse to be valuable - and are probably just another way to separate and divide us all so we stop thinking about how to take down the ruling classes.
My dad is close to 80. He's been PC savvy since the super early 1980s and he still is, although he is stuck in Windows because he's a monster in the astrophotography world and most of his software isn't supported in Linux etc. I dated a girl in college whose dad was one of the founding creators of the internet. Unlike Al Gore lol.
I taught my younger brother how to program in basic and pascal in the 80s. He's now a super successful programmer. I'm pretty poor but I like to build fix and upgrade people's computers as a hobby. I am gen x.
Bullshit. If her dad was one of the founders of the Internet, you'd know that the Al Gore meme was a Republican smear campaign.
I worked for Vint Cerf in the early 90's. This is what he wrote to defend Al Gore against the Republican smear campaign:
https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/gore,net.txt
Al Gore didn't need a smear campaign for his nonsense. I was there too, we were laughing our asses off at the shit he said.
"We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening."
He was a hell of a lot more of a founder than Al Gore was. Gore was a marketer at best.
Edit: you all are downvoting without even knowing who he was. Drink piss assholes.
Al Gore never claimed to have been the founder of the Internet. Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn both defended Al Gore against idiots like you.
Rush Limbaugh was on the radio daily in the early 90's calling Al Gore's information superhighway a Democratic Boondoggle. Republicans were fighting to kill the Internet. Al Gore was fighting since the 80's to fund it so it could grow into something bigger than a research network.
If Eisenhower can get credit for the US Interstate Highway system despite not pouring a drop of concrete, then Al Gore gets credit for the Internet.
You really love that piece of shit don't you?
I worked for Vint Cerf. I later started my own ISP. I know the history of the Internet because I lived it.
I quoted Vint Cerf. What do you have to support your claim?
Here's a 40 second video of Vint Cerf saying Al Gore did help create the internet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtuAJoEv5nQ
This sounds like a commercial (fellow GenX here), haha
Gen X is the Aslan lion meme: “Do not cite the deep computer repair magic to me, Millennial. I was there when it was written.”
Asian lion?
They mean Aslan, aka big kitty Jesus, from the Narnia books.
I read big kitty Jesus as big titty Jesus and was confused
You're thinking of Gandalf Big Naturals. Easy mistake to make.
Better than Wither Big Naturals
Damn autocorrect.
As one of those Gen-X that actually helped create the dumpster fire we call the modern Internet, I have come to realize that we fall into two camps. You either look young enough to be classified as a Millennial (my wife) or you look old enough to immediately be thrown in the Boomer bucket (me)...which is really unfair because no other generation has hated and fought the fucking Boomers longer than us.
I'd love to show some GenZ photos of Matt Damon, Bem Affleck, Cillian Murphy, etc. and ask them what generation they think they are.
The struggle is, we all live long enough to be the next boomers. Maybe in 10 years it is: "OK, Gen-X"
I think what's happening is Millenials are starting to get the "OK Boomer".
Yep it's just a phrase now and people don't know what boomer was.
Before I deleted Facebook entirely, I briefly flirted with a Facebook group of Aussie gen xers for a bit of nostalgia, and I had to quit after only a few weeks because the 'back in my day' crowd became too insufferable. It's already happened.
And while gen X definitely were instrumental in creating much of modern tech, most of them are still pretty hopeless at it. Watching some of my similarly aged colleagues trying to use a computer is an exercise in frustration.
Whatever
no, they're just choosing to not fuck with this shit because they've had enough
I don’t know about you, but I quit doing that soul crushing work as soon as I could something I really loved.
Hey, Millennial here. Just a friendly reminder to drink your metamucil today
at this point it’s pretty funny….
Ahhh I see. So what you're saying is that Gen X is actually the root of our problems? Boomers were just another symptom that needed a GUI.
Eh. Genx understood how to work a VCR and deal with the rat's nest of cables behind the TV
Computers are millennials
Utter BS. I’m on the old end of Gen X and I’m still building PCs for people and troubleshooting their shit when it breaks. I have yet to meet a much younger person who can do it as well.
Gen X seem to be either computer people or totally unaware. Millennials seem to be generally much less knowledgeable than the former and much more knowledgeable than the latter. Obviously there are millennials who are computer people, but my conception of them is more people who got computer science degrees than the person who lives in a shack in the woods and builds his own robots. Boomer computer people are even more formidable.
I’m not saying that’s true, but it’s the stereotype I have in my head.
Well put.
Your also on Lemmy so you're the exception not the rule.
We were the first (of non-computer types) to adopt the web. We rode the AOL Instant Messenger train. What are you talking about.
AOL instant messenger was late to the party. ICQ started the instant messaging fad… that little “uh oh” notification sound is permanently burned into my brain.
presses Ctrl+G to foghorn
I was on ICQ as well, but most people weren't. I was generalizing to the contemporary audience.
Most millenials I deal with don't know how anything works. They know apps and swiping screens. They are computer competent, knowing how to use them. Like knowing how to drive a car doesn't mean you are a mechanic. They frequently know how do basic fixes like rebooting or reinstalling but less frequently have any true troubleshooting understanding. I don't claim all millenials are like that, but broad stroke its not uncommon. I'd never say the generation as a whole is THE technical one though. I know more Gen Z that are technical by far, but that seems more matching Gen X to me. They either know technology or don't. Nothing in between.
People can be exceptions to the norm. Most GenX we all interact with are as hopeless as the boomers.
No we're not!!
Its almost like the "generations" are mostly arbitrary with a lot of overlap
Older Millenial here. It was definitely GenX that paved the way for the computer world I learned, and it was mostly GenX who wrote the books and taught the lessons (often informal) that brought us what knowledge we have, at least in the beginning. Plus a small selection of exceptional individuals from older generations, including, dare I say it,… the baby boomers.
There is a big difference between having the people who invented something and being the people who families (and companies...) depend on to keep them running. This being about the latter.
Or, at least, in my family, we tended to not tell the engineers at Ampex to get their butts downstairs because dad didn't understand why the color was off on the football game he recorded last night
Older millennial here, too. This is absolutely correct. (Btw we are called xenials 1981–86)
When I joined the company maintaining Unix, I was one of the younger ones. It's older X who knows how it's all built; because they did it.
I had home computers 10 years before the internet really hit.
Very late Gen X or early millenial no. We came through VCR DVD it was a wonderful change. Also Torvalds would be Gen X.
To my fellow Gen X’ers…
Shhh!
Let someone else deal with the inept on the other end of the phone. Be happy we’re being ignored again.
I was going to complain, but you're damned right.
Silence is golden.
And duct tape is silver
Millenial here:
This is good advice, sage even.
...
EDIT:
I didn't forget the couple of extremely cool and also very knowledgable Gen X mentors/bosses I had, hahah!
I've spent the last decade training Millennials just for that task.
I'll be over here screwing with the K8S cluster if you need me.
You seniors and your K8s I tell you whut
The meh generation
so middle of the road that they are left out of every discussion about generations. Boomers may suck, but at least they’re memorable lol
I for one am happy to be left out of the 'generation war'. It's stupid. In my day blah blah blah- no one cares gramps. Live in the now.
Back in my day we had weed. We still do, but we did back then too.
In my day you would either get trash weed with seeds all in it, or pay out the ass for 'kind buds'. You can get whole Ounces in Michigan right now for what we had to pay for a quarter in the 90s..... damn it, you got me doing it! ;)
I used to get my weed in a big trash bag behind the high school from a guy on a yamaha scooter. It was mostly seeds and stems and you had to smoke a lot to even get high but it was great because it gave you something fun to do with friends. I can't handle the weed people smoke nowadays, one toke sends me straight to the nether realm.
You're using that word again. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Lol.
You're conflating and confusing a term that has existed since the 60's to describe a time span, with complex societal, economical effects on peoples mindset today.
Your inability to describe and explain the things you want to argue is the issue. Repeating the word again and again is not helping.
Lol
Wooooooooooosh
You're completely wrong, but if you want to confuse the word even more, go ahead.
At this point I’m happy to let someone else do it. Being everybody's tech support sucks. I can just tinker with and enjoy my own setups in peace.
The generation that couldn't be bothered.
"Meh"
Whatchu got going for you, pal? Crippling anxiety? Unable to socialize? Helplessly uninspired? The creativity of a mushroom?
Meh.
A denial.
A denial.
A denial.
A denial.
A denial.
Edgy.
i figured gen z would start fixing my computer once i hit my current age (41); turns out i dont know any gen z's that understand how computers work.
im really tired of being everyone's tech support :(
I know of one, and it’s my kid. And they’re just as frustrated as I am about how little their peers know about computers
i did the world a favor and decided to not have kids. sadly, this also means i am unable to hand down a generation's worth of computer knowledge, heh.
Mentorships exist and a lot of kids are hungry for knowledge. We can help the ones that want to learn, but maybe aren't given a lot of opportunities.
Depending on definitions, I'm either a millennial or gen-z. Some of my team mates are awesome and know everything there is to know about computers. Others have knowledge gaps that make me question whether they went to uni. They're also the same people who commonly don't know how to find answers to things. They're also the people proclaiming the loudest about the greatness of Gippers
Gippers?
Kind of a fond/humanised name for chat gpt me and some colleagues use. We've dubbed it our idiot friend, 'Gippers'. Its commonly wrong and there's a group of colleagues who trusts it and a group who doesn't. I think we anthropomorphised the machine a little, and also its maybe a little cringey.
It’s funny how bubbles can change so much. In my personal experience, most Gen Z people know their way around computers and how to fix stuff. I regularly help my millennial sister with stuff like that.
No generally Gen z is not afraid of tech but doesn't know how it works.
41 myself and the future scares me for too many reasons, this definitely being one of them.
I am Gen Z, I can copy paste commands from online forums into the terminal, then proceed to fuck shit up. 🫠
(Don't ask me to type commands from memory, I'd rather use windows spyware than deal with command line torture)
You just have to practice more! Though while I'm pretty good with computers Linux does still scare me a little too, I have a habit of poking around where I'm not supposed to and Linux is more than happy to let you break things
This is how I am for the part (including most people who aren’t computer enthusiasts or CS degree holders). I know my limits on what I am willing to do with command lines because I don’t have time to memorize all that shit.
I am gen z and just writing my bachelor's thesis for computer science/Cybersecurity. Many of my peers are in CS too.
as a software engineer who didnt go to college, i am not talking about programming; i have peers at work who have a masters degree in CS who know nothing about computers.
i'm talking about troubleshooting problems and fixing them by telling your boomer aunt what to do over a video call when her keyboard makes her computer too slow for her cat to read her favorite comic when she presses the "G" key.
And again, generation X completely forgotten about.
And we GenX are happily left out of this one.
Left out of the meme, not left out of being called to fix shit.
We truly are the middle child of generations, forgotten until we are needed.
It’s OK - whenever we’re not left out we opt out anyway…
I wish
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/17/opinion/gen-x.html?searchResultPosition=1
Ok but what about Gen X?
We could fix it too, but we don’t wanna.
We're burned out. It's time to pass the soldering iron.
I tried to get into the whole Arduino thing as a Gen Xer. I couldn't believe the complexity and back story you need to know before getting started. Totally baffled by the whole thing. Just give me a processor, some memory and a serial port. Why do I need an IDE, drivers, a bootloader, fifteen different kinds of whatevers I don't understand, yes, I am burned out, where are the Doritos?
You can just install and invoke the compiler directly, and you only need a driver if you're on windows and using the bootloader to program it, and you don't need a bootloader if you have an ISP (programmer) so you can flash it directly, and you don't need anything else though one of the main reason people use Arduino is for the libraries
I just wanted to generate a simple pulse from a switch press. Needless to say since I needed a breadboard anyway, I just popped in a 74LS123 with a resistor and a capacitor. I couldn't even begin to understand what I needed to get that pulse from an Arduino. And I used to program PICs bare metal. It's like the complexity traded places. On the PIC, the tools and process are dead simple. But writing the code for the little monsters required understanding every opcode and peripheral and how they interact. It looks like on the Arduino, I can just type sleep(5000) but to set up the whole thing to get there is where the complexity lies.
If you buy an arduino dev board it'll come with the bootloader already installed, so you just install the ide, install the driver if you':re usingc windows, plug in the board, press upload and you're done?
They’re too tired for that too. They’re more of a “blow in the hole and jiggle it” people.
Napping. Wake me up when September ends.
Let's be fair, we millennial know how to fix stuff because stuff still can be fixed. We can glance back one generation away and learn about how stuff work back then, and also learn how to fix those stuff. Nowadays stuff aren't meant to be fixed, (late) gen z doesn't have thing to start tearing apart and learn about the inner working of stuff, because it's all glued/snapped together, with the culture being once broke just toss.
Computers themselves are still pretty fixable.
lol. My dad’s a retired engineer and my mom was a computer programmer. Literal actual baby boomers.
I work in IT. Gen-X. Which you forgot because you’re bad.
My daughter just got her degree in Cybersecurity. Millennial.
tl;dr: STFU with this stupid inter-generational tribalism, it’s wrong and stupid.
Tldr; you got your feelings hurt over a meme
Gen x doesn't have feelings
My grandpa was a robotics engineer and thus knew how to use a PC quite well but watching him operate Windows 10 basically without utilizing any tools that came after DOS was bizarre.
To Microsoft’s credit, they have historically been very good about ensuring backwards compatibility. There are a few notable exceptions, but for the most part you can treat Windows as if it is DOS, and it still mostly works.
j/k That's awesome.
They aren't saying every person of those generations is the same. Your family is very techy and it makes sense that they'd be knowledgeable, but the point of the meme is that there was a generation that grew up with tech that kinda worked most of the time, forcing them to learn how to use it to be effective, leading to a higher proportion of people knowing how computers work. Nowadays, except if your job is fixing computers, the chance you know them in-depth and how to tinker with them is much lower, because there is no need, they just work most of the time.
The problem is their dates are off. Home Computers went mainstream in 1977 with the Apple II.
I saw this as a millennial and immediately thought to myself “did they forget GenX built the internet?”
The generation labels are arbitrary anyway, I wish people would drop this dumb bullshit.
You're all educated professionals. This meme is more about your average user.
Conversely, me and my whole family is dumb as fuck, every generation.
I agree with this person!
Actually agree.
By age I would be late gen-Z / almost gen-A. I grew up in rural middle-east and was introduced to home internet for first time in highschool(2020)
Where would I fall?
First introduction to Internet in late highschool or College means you're a gen X.
You can keep still, or whatever, but frankly it doesn't matter. You don't matter. Your parents (Boomer's) mortgaged your generations, and everyone since, future for a pointless capitalist nightmare.
Totally normal response to a meme.
Why the fuck are you oversaturating that saturated field, causing wages to drop?
Go study a trade, ffs
Gen X invented the fucking tech from discrete 7400 logic.
I need to learn this wisdom. Gen x and I fix way too much bullshit from idiots. The only plus side is often people give me their old PCs and some of them have one or two great components. I recycle what I can and salvage anything worth saving but I need to spend less time fixing worthless hardware.
Just pretend you're going senile or 'the new stuff' is just too advanced. If that doesn't work you could always claim to have started a 'tech repair/recycling' side hustle and start billing people.
Shh, we get to be anonymous, tech literate and be able to buy our own houses.
Shhh - let the Millennials do it, they need the validation, and most of us need a nap.
I know enough Millennials who don't know shit. "My email address is www...."
Same. My older brother got scammed by the "hello this is paypal. Your account got hacked." Eventhough i told him to hang up and that it is a scam
Anyone can get scammed, they just have to get you with your guard down.
Yeah i got scammed because they called while i was talking to a mechanic about my breakes. So i was rather distracted
There are luddites in every generation.
There are some parts of Gen Z that can actually tear stuff apart and actually fix systems, but those are the nerds (which also includes me) that care enough to actually learn stuff. The majority is quite tech illiterate
Millenial here, its actually the same for us. Most millenials dont actually know how to fix a computer, either.
You do realize Gen X were the ones who were building their own computers back in the late 80's and all through the 90s and loading them with Windows 3.1 and the original flavors of Linux, on top of fostering the open source world everyone here relies upon? All before Millennials graduated from Jr High.
Not all of Gen Z are tech illiterate. Some of us used computers before iPads and smartphones. I used Windows XP and 7 long before I ever got a smartphone.
Same here, but I'm a border generation (born in the late 90s)
So am I! I guess we are more relatable to millennials. 10 years ago, people would call me one so whatever.
Whaddup my dudes! Same era, first computer I used had 10GB of HDD and 64MB RAM, still have a backup of the files somewhere..
Yeah GenX is STILL doing this. Though be of good cheer my millennial brethren...When Skynet takes over, we'll be secure as long as we slave for the overlords. The rest...?
We'll pray for you.
Even Skynet will forget Gen X, trust me.
"Humanity eliminated!"
Meanwhile Gen X and New Zealand:
And Wyoming, because Wyoming doesn't exist.
If you all didn’t want to be the New Zealand of generations you would’ve had your mom give birth earlier or later duh.
Just like New Zealand should push itself closer to a continent if it wants to be on maps.
Also as a dum millennial I am always amused when my brethren ask me about social media etc and say I don’t know about tech cause I don’t got an ig account or watever. Bitch please, I have worked in kernel dev I know all the lies we present as a file. I get angy when people that can’t read x86 assembly tell me I’m not technical.
Hahahahaha, take my GenX upvote
Well I don't know... I worked with boomers who first built out the internet in my country. Now they mostly retired, but the Gen-Xers who remain are also incredible.
My dad who's also a boomer and an anesthesiologist got admin rights at the hospital he worked at because he helped everyone around with their computer troubles and the tech support trusted him and were happy he reduced their ticket load.
Maybe you guys just know the wrong people.
Gen X here. If I cared what any of those age groups thought I would feel slighted.
What I see is the same for most every generation. You arrive at adulthood and look around judging all the older folks as being clueless. You fail to solve all the worlds problems while you still know it all. Then you get a job and wise up. The ones who never realize they don't know shit are the ones who cause all the trouble.
As one of the older Millennials (1982), I can say that there is a lot of truth to this meme.
Yeah, this is more young X and old millennial. Xers born in the late 60s-early 70s and millennials born in the late 80s-90s don't know shit.
I've heard us (young Xs and old millennials) described as the
organOregon Trail generation. We grew up along side the tech so we understand it better than your average person from before or after.Is this a black market body parts game? Drug wars meets Oregon Trail?
I'm not sure what their comment said before they fixed it, but if it was "The Organ Trail", that game exists. It's basically "The Oregon Trail", but with zombies.
Yeah, I went back and changed it to a strikethrough to avoid more confusion.
I'm not sure why people are down voting this. I agree 100%. The most techie people I have ever known are part of what you called "the Oregon Trail generation" (I love this term).
People always get pissy about these generation things. It's not about some people being better than others. There was a period of time where being able to use a computer meant being able to take a tabula rasa machine, install an os using a bunch of disks and a large manual, and figure out how to fix anything without the internet. There was also a period of time where home computers were becoming common. Those two periods overlapped and created a group of non-professional people mostly (MOSTLY) born between 75ish and 85ish that are much better able to use and troubleshoot tech than people born before or after.
But you always end up attracting a bunch of douches saying "I was born in (whenever) and I have a degree in (whatever) and I know more than people blah blah blah." Yeah, I'm not talking about professionals or hardcore hobbyists, I'm taking about regular jerkoffs that had to figure this shit out without specialized education or the internet. It was a unique period that created a group a people different than what came before or after. No judgement, it just is. For some reason certain people take offense to that.
Instead of "the Oregon Trail generation" we should be called the "I read the damn manual" generation.
Oregon Trail.
Thank you, autocorrect strikes again.
The oregano trail is lined with spicy meat-a-balls.
And a younger one...
The difference between Gen X and Millennials is that at around age 35 (circa 2009) I started telling people, who were almost always friends of friends who wouldn't actually hang out with me normally, that I charge $100 an hour. Millennials still do it for free...
I wouldn't even suck dick that low... Why would I take less pay for something I DONT like to do???
Haha...fair enough. Honestly though, I suspect anything above free would have worked. Some people have absolutely no respect for other people's time. Especially since I don't "fix computers" for a living.
Every generation has its nerds. I'm not suddenly a millennial just because I know how to fix a computer.
The point is late X/early millennial were the only ones "forced" to fix tech if we wanted to use it (obviously people older than that needed to as well but they were less likely to be into tech). Shit rarely worked out of the box, plug and play was shit, nothing was standardized, etc. Around the late 90s into the 2000s things worked more reliably without needing tinkering, and then apps came in and shifted things even further from tech literacy.
I'm Gen Z and I was still "forced" to fix tech if I wanted to use it. I mean sure, I didn't have to deal with IRQs, setting up autoexec.bat and config.sys, and so on, but if you're not at least a little bit inclined you wouldn't have the patience to fix things even when you're "forced". You'd just give up and move on. There's always something else to do. Things have gotten easier for sure, which is reducing the exposure to "falling in the rabbit hole" but one way or another interested people will get into it.
It's like how cars are getting simpler to use, but you still have car guys around. We don't say only old people know how to drive stick.
In any case, there's better things to use as a generational boundary; like how a single G5 piano note will trigger a very specific group of people.
Edit: I went off on a tangent above and got argumentative. My original comment before this one was intended to be sarcastic but tone doesn't carry well over text. This whole thing isn't really something to argue about so I'll leave it at that.
'72 Gen X here, I HEAR YOUR CALL!!!
The PC revolution started with the Apple 2 in 1977. In the early 80's everyone had a Commodore 64. By the mid 80's everyone had a PC. If you were born in the 80's, you were not editing autoexec files in diapers.
Unless you were poor and your parents could never afford a PC. We still got to use computers some in school at least. I once volunteered for a 'computer camp' which was basically summer school where they would let you play on the computers.
Yeah you clearly have no clue what the 80s and 90s were like for sure
If they want to take over from my gen-X ass from doing everyone's fixing shit, I'm all for it.
I'm actually, genuinely shocked by the ageism in such debates every single time. There's no such thing as age-based incompetence, TBH. There are sound people for every field available everywhere. Why do we have to assume this? Every generation has at least a few people who are competent in their field, even in computing. It's more important that the literate of us unite to end illiteracy and stop injustice performed in the name of technology. This, honestly, is just making fun of each other, for apparently no sound reason. And I'm talking about the comments, not the meme. I might, or not, get some sour disagreements, or straight-up very bitter replies for arguing even this, ...and again, I ask: Do we reeaaally have to do this?
Technology too has a supposed duty of bringing people together...!
For gen X and older, computers were more niche. They were more difficult to use and mostly reserved to enthusiasts. For gen Z and younger, computers were always just there, and they'd become a lot simpler, a lot more plug n play, and resources to fix them became cheaper and more accessible. Millennials were in just the right environment where computer use became mainstream, but computer software was less developed and user friendly and they frequently had to learn to fix problems themselves.
Every individual will clearly have their own unique experience and not everyone will fall into these buckets, but it's these factors that lead to millennials likely having higher tech skills than average compared to those older and younger than them.
That's it. It's not ageism. It is absolutely generalizing, but mostly, it's social commentary in the form of a joke.
What in the utter fuck is this dog shit take???? lol. Dude, Boomers INVENTED fucking computers. GenX, grow up along side them. We pretty all had a vic 20, Commadore 64, or Spectrum 48k/128k, or Amstrad CPC464. And later on an amiga, or an ST. The list is fucking endless, and thats before you get to to the Apple II, the trs80 and Commadore PET and later 386 PCs.
We grew up with ham radios, VCRs, TVs that only played games on one channel. We had Nintendo and Sega battling it out in the 80s, then Sony, nintendo, panasonic, Sega, NEC, SNK, Philips, Atari, Casio(who created a console exclusively for girls for some reason), Bandi, apple, and fuck knows how many others battling in the 90s. The idea that all these things were invented by/or used by boomer and genx, and you can sit there thinking we dont know how to use shit... We're the fucking figure it out generation, son. If something broke, we had to learn to fix it ourselves. And without youtube videos and FAQs to hold our hands.
Millennials, absolute kings of the terrible takes and pulling information out of their arse.
You're clearly an enthusiast and are one of the exceptions I spoke of. Calm down and think critically, please... Most people did not have Spectrums, Commodores, ham radios, etc. Enthusiasts like you absolutely did, and yes, you knew your shit if you did.
These days everyone has advanced electronic devices. Eveeeeryone.
You really came out swinging for no reason there, eh?
^^^ I love this human. ^^^
Not only did they post a nice answer towards my comment, they're actually settling what could turn into an internet argument from the get go!
Awe shucks! 🤭
I dunno, I've spent enough time in online communities that I'd rather not start fights over things that can simply be talked through. I'm happy to hear Bennyboy's response too if they still disagree with me and believe me to be mistaken, but there's certainly no reason for hostility!
I'm like this these days, too! Absolutely annoyed (in a funny way, but still...!) by internet drama LOL.
Thanks! Bye!
Another vote for that human, some people (others) make internet feel like working in retail...
Not an enthusiast. Im the average. And you calm down, or send you to bed without any supper!!!
And as for "coming out swinging", youre god damn right. Cos you people are either ignoring us, or just making up dog shit about us. And now youre giving the shocked Pikachu face, cos someone got sick of the bullshit lies? Dude... I guess that another thing your generation love to do. Make it look like the bullied person standing up for themself is the asshole. Fuck, how you lot love to do that.
When you always assume bad intent, don’t be surprised people treat you as shit
By generalizing a generation, you’re doing the exact same thing you’re accusing people of doing, I hope you realize this
No shit, sherlock. Did you figure that out all by yourself, or did you have break out a special magical box of crayons to help?
I mean, I couldnt have made any more obvious if Id written it in pink glittery neon shit.
I'm not at all giving a shocked Pikachu face in reaction to your comment, if you believe otherwise, you're misreading my intent. I'm also not talking down towards you as a person, doubting your skills, or bullying you. Based on your responses here, I believe you to be a very tech inclined person and are probably highly skilled. A lot of us here on Lemmy fall into that category regardless of age.
What I am saying is that you came into this conversation unnecessarily hot and that your view is likely skewed because you yourself are a tech enthusiast. You come from and are a product of tech, and as such may not realize the lack of tech abilities of those outside of your bubble.
I'm also not saying that Boomers/Gen X have to be bad with tech, or even that all Millennials are. My main point is to highlight median household exposure over different generations leading to memes such as this. For example, in the U.S., only ~8% of households had a computer in 1984 and ~15% in 1989; the UK was ~9% in 1984 and ~17% by 1988 (Source on Census.gov, page 6). PCs didn’t become mainstream at home until the mid to late '90s. By then, late Gen X/Millennials were the teens/20-somethings doing the hands-on fixes, which is why the "Millennial IT support" meme resonates. Skip to kids nowadays growing up on iPhones and tablets and other out of the box easy to use devices that Just Work^TM^, they didn't get the same experience learning to fix shit themselves like the older or middle generations had.
To reiterate, none of this says older folks, nor younger, can’t be great at tech, just that cohort exposure and the kind of tech we grew up with differ and has had it's influences on the whole of generational groups, while not defining every individual within those groups.
If you still feel attacked at this point, that's 100% on you and I don't know what else to say.
"Im not talking down to you" then proceeds to talk down to me... What a prick.
Im not in any "bubble", cunty chops. But you might be. Once again, not an enthusiast. Is there another language I can say that in? And my experiences, the ones I was talking to you about, were from the 80s and 90s. EVERYONE had some form of computer, like I said. If theres GenX around today that dont know about them so much that they need to annoy their genz kids, they are the fucking minority.
As for feeling attacked, no. You misunderstood. Im utterly fucking sick of wee dicks, spouting generational war bullshit. You know, like you dweeby little millennials pricks that cant even get a fucking girl to touch you without an app.
I wasn't talking down to you, I was explaining my perspective backed up with facts you clearly did not look at. I'd ask if you could point out where you feel I'd done so, but as you can see later in my comment, I no longer care.
This is statistically impossible as you can see from the source that I provided from the US Census Bureau.
Name calling. Nice, dude. For your age, I'd expect you to be more mature. I'll just be reporting, blocking you, and moving on. I tried to have a cordial conversation with you, but you are clearly not capable of doing so. Have a nice day, and a nice life.
You're the throw it out the window and buy a new one materialist generation, gramps.
Ok boomer!
LOL thanks.
Also FYI I'm 19.
Funniest bit is that I am 42 hehe
Ageism has been around long time
"In all things I yearn for the past. Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased. I find that even among the splendid pieces of furniture built by our master cabinetmakers, those in the old forms are the most pleasing.
And as for writing letters, surviving scraps from the past reveal how superb the phrasing used to be. The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say "raise the carriage shafts" or "trim the lamp wick," but people today say "raise it" or "trim it." When they should say, "Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!" they say, "Torches! Let's have some light!" Instead of calling the place where the lectures on the Sutra of the Golden Light are delivered before the emperor "the Hall of the Imperial Lecture," they shorten it to "the Lecture Hall," a deplorable corruption, an old gentleman complained."
Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō 1330 - 1332 AD
My parents are Gen X, me and my older brother are Gen Z.
Parents keep asking, nay, DEMANDING, for us to fix their shit. Then i proceeded to have a fight with my brother about who's responsibility is it to fix it.
Parent's don't know how to use a tax filing website 🤦♂️ (Tbf, they don't know how to fill out paper forms either).
The first time we've ever touched a real computer with internet access was around 2010, before that, we were in mainland China and we had no internet (either too expensive, or unavailable as a service in the areas we lived in, not sure which, or my parents are just being cheap)
But I'm Generation Z and I have to update my mom's Linux Mint laptop because she can't pay attention when I show her.
I wrote a shell script my mom just has to click on to run the updates and she still can't figure it out. The filename is literally "ClickHereToRunUpdatesMom.sh"
I'm also Gen Z
Though i’m the very tail end of genX and a “computer expert”, I pretty much think that the millennial generation being the only generation was all part of a solid de-education plan. At the rate we’re going Its only a matter of time where the tech we have today is forced to be only approved OS, controlled, monitored and IT capable people who know how to bypass will be arrested for violating the law.
The water is starting to get warm…
It wont even be that hard. Take their gibbity away now and a lot of people (young and old) will be helpless. Or, what will actually happen, minorly change gibbity outputs to fulfill your political agenda to become the first trillionaire, all the while the population doesn't know theyre being fed trash.
... because their Gen X boss told them what to do ...
So very true.
Just ask an AI to fix it.
Easy
There are people out there who would happily give AI all the power in the world to turn their skulls into a highway or a scammer access to their entire bank account just so they don’t have to read out an error and google it for themselves out of fear of technology or even speaking to anyone about technology.
Sort of like those people who would rather drive their car off of a cliff rather than ever hear words from a mechanic or check their own oil.
And when it arrives it turns out you need a new computer as well. Also it's lacking some features you need, and it has some new features nobody asked for. Also fixing it became much harder and doing so can get you to jail.
Where did Gen X go?
Am i a rare GenZ or do i just hang around with unicorns because we are all active in IT. Me programming nog hardware but still
You are rare and these stereotypes are mostly false. Most people in every generation can’t fix a computer. Maybe the only slight echo of truth is that during the millennial childhood and youth, at least in terms of raw numbers, home computers peaked as the main “tech” children were exposed to, so there might be a little more people who are not professionals, but have some extra comfort with them. Still, that’s a stretch.
This is the "Nobody who isn't a Boomer knows how to fix a car" tier meme material. Just a tired lie that keeps getting recycled as a meme because it's clickbait for the snobs.
Yeah I am GenX, and it's me & the kid who is GenZ are tech support in my family, she is by far my most technologically adept offspring. One millennial kid is hopeless, says "technology hates me", the other just a low-technology sort of person, but fine with computer for work. And the youngest expects everything to just work, which seems to work out for them. Husband is culturally a boomer, LOL but also just expects everything to work, but it doesn't work out as well for him.
Only the GenZ one likes to mess with the computer and likes to know how to fix problems, and she is our pirate as well, the mistress of forbidden content - if something is not on the streaming she can often find it for us.
There are nerds in every generation.
I'm GenX, I bought my first PC in 1988, and made a living in part, setting up LANs, back when knowing anything at all about computers could get you a job. GenX early adopters taught millennials computers.
Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, etc. are marketing bullshit that need to stop being used in the common lexicon.
Oh, but not "Boomer" so you can still say "Ok, Boomer?"
They should just be numbered. From best to worst, so Millenials would be 1 and Boomers would be like... 6? 7? How many generations have we had 🤔
To me, "boomer" is a mentality. Sure, they were the kids born after the WW2 economic boom, I get that. But I feel that the mentality is "old and dying off and not worth considering".
Based on what I could find, the generations are made up demographics with no real actual definitive delineation. Too many sources can't agree on where one starts and the other ends.
Sauce? I just make stuff and opine freely. I think none of that is bullshit, but I'll debate it on a case-by-case.
Unfortunately, I can't find anything that really matches my statement, but I recall seeing it somewhere.
Based on what I could find, the generations are made up demographics with no real actual definitive delineation. Too many sources can't agree on where one starts and the other ends.
Agree.. Cringe.
I wish!
Not in my household.
Deletes entire hardrive.
Installs arch Linux.
"OK it's fixed, gotta go, see ya!"
Chromebooks and iPads as the primary devices in schools have hurt the kids in my opinion. Too locked down to allow for exploration.
Locked down, sure.
But compared to generations before where a calculator* was rare? It's fine. Interested nerd will still consume knowledge on the good bits and the cycle will continue.
*"You can't count on always having a calculator", the teacher said, obviously not clairvoyant.
Calculators weren't just rare, they were banned.
TIL I'm a millenial?
Here's your regulation issue avocado toast and collapsed economy. Oh, I see you've already got one of those. Welcome aboard!
This is an older story, but I installed Xubuntu on an ssd in my boomer parents Vista era computer to keep it running. They really didnt know the difference, my mom only played solitaire while Thunderbird was managable for my dad. My millenial neice and nephews had no idea either, I'd find exe files they would download, but noone ever said anything about why they didnt work anymore. They have no idea about how computers work.
I'm not very technical, but I had to move a jumper on my old 386 when I upgraded my modem.
I spent 25 years without remembering that, you sonuvabitch! :-D. Sorry, the PTSD takes over sometimes. Goddamned supra winmodems and hot-glued ISA cards in overpriced junk RadioShack/FutureShop computers....
Right?
How about jumpers on hard drives while figuring out interrupts and hard drive/controller card matching (I forget what it was called, but there was something about figuring out the interleave, etc).
I'm about to have some awful flashbacks, dammit.
IDE master/slave jumpers. Wow am I glad we ditched that.
4Mb Ram sharing 1mb with the ghetto cirrus video card, and somehow you need to run winsock and Netscape Communicator on it.
The whole time I'm configuring a customer's machine and grinding my teeth, they're saying how great the salesman was who sold this boat-anchor. I'm proud of holding my tongue for the 90 min it took to complete the courtesy job and go back to the shop.
I may need to start drinking.
Oh, master/slave was simple compared to the interleaving thing. Honestly, that was so much a pain I've forgotten what it was/how to do it.
I'll raise a glass for you next time I'm mixing up a drink.
I literally just fixed a zoomers laptop last night. Lol
As someone already said, you forgot Gen X. When I ask someone to open a command/terminal window, they have no clue what I’m talking about.
Insert I was born into this meme.
It's all perspective lol, how many of us would last a week logging...with out all the modern tech?
Or car mechanics, might not care how the fancy cloud works, but can talk about engines all day long.
The way I see it, we've all got our niche and help each other out with what we dedicate our time to learning.
Gen X are also pretty tech savvy. Let's not pretend like they didn't pave the way for us millennial to learn how to fix computers.
I say, as a tech retarded millennial, but fuck it, I'm right.
And immediately after we turned the computer on/off and get it working they will post how millennials are weak because we drink ice coffee and go to yoga.
Nah, my brother is a mega-nerd that rivals my tech abilities.
Let’s settle this once and for all.
I’m Gen Z. Quiz me on how computers work.
Edit: I bet I can run circles around some of you millennials :)
Oh you know computers? Name every group policy.
Fuck you Windows
Damn, you're good. Enjoy your lifetime of trimming Satan's pubic hair!
Idk if I’ve laughed this hard in a while 😂
Once a week my coworker is like, this code has been working for years so we don’t touch it
Same.
Hahahahahaha, omg that's a brilliant read. Thank you, I will be sharing it with my technical friends (any kind of technical will get it, one friend is in hydraulics and boy, the stories are so like mine in IT).
Chmod
How does computers work?
Edit: I tried to do this all off the top of my head. After writing this, I think I meant user space vs kernel space. Idk if user land is a word
I guess between C and assembly there’s abstract syntax trees and maybe LLVM, which is probably also written in C. Idk I skipped compilers in college.
I also know the networking stack has a bunch of layers, but that felt like its own separate thing to “computers”. I think UDP makes more errors than TCP but UDP also go brrrrr
I KNOW! My biggest mistake in college was worrying about my GPA and that worry keeping me from taking harder classes. But I did learn about ASTs.
Nice 👍🏽!
Machin code comes to mind, and "more" high level languages like C++, template metaprogramming and other horror stories 💀
And CD players!
Cheers 😋
My impression of C++ is that’s it’s actually C++++++++ as in, how many more decades of features can we cram into this language before it explodes
What’s a CD player /s
Fun fact about a random CD player. The USB-A external CD player Apple sold after removing the internal CD player kinda abused the USB standard. I believe it needed more current than was allowed by USB, so Apple found some way to make this specific device draw more power than the USB standard supported at the time. Today, I believe USB-C includes a handshake that negotiates power requirements, but at the time, USB-A didn’t support this.
Tbh, I don’t really know where assembly ends and machine code starts. But do know that assembly is tied to your specific architecture
You're not wrong about C++ 😋
Machine code is just the numbers, assembler is mnemonics and stuff and needs an "interpreter" to turn it into useful machine code (a C++ compiler also spits out machine code BTW).
Spot on about USB standards, no idea if apple did what you saulid though, wouldn't doubt it!
Transistors are only on and off switches when run in saturation. This is relevant to CPUs in the sense that the rising/falling edge and jitter affect the setup and hold times and thus the maximum clock rate. End pedantry.
This is the content I’m here for! Please continue I want to learn more
There's an active region between on and off where the current from the collector to emmiter is proportional to the base current. This can be used in other applications like amplifiers. But in digital applications that active region is the transition time between low and high states.
In order to obtain a deterministic outcome the rising edge must be predictable and it must stay at a logic level 1 for long enough to account for propagation delay. These considerations are known as setup and hold. The higher the frequency the clock runs, the tighter these constraints become.
Spicy rocks
I have a Proxmox server with a random assortment of hard drives and SSDs of various capacities {8TB, 2TB, 2TB, 240GB, 240GB}. I want to create a CephFS filesystem spanning them, using erasure-coded pools in order to maximize capacity (kind of like RAID 5 except without requiring same-sized drives). How do I configure my CRUSH Map in order to accomplish this?
Lol, you lost me there. I've read up on the various RAID configurations. I've heard about CephFS. I don't know much about it, but I get the sense it's the new kid on the block.
I actually have a RAID question for you. I want to setup a little RAID array starting with 2 mirrored drives and add more drives later. But it seems there is no easy way to migrate RAID versions? Let's say I want to start with 2, then 3, than 4 drives as stuff fills up. I always want some level of redundancy. And I don't want to use any additional drives aside from the 2, 3, then 4 in the array. Is this possible? Either with RAID or with CephFS?
Funny you should mention that, because it's what got me thinking about Ceph in the first place. My other Proxmox node has a 2-drive mirrored ZFS pool, and I went to add a third drive to it and realized that I'd have to move all the data off and rebuild it from scratch, so I started looking for other solutions.
So yeah, I think Ceph can add to an array after-the-fact like that (in addition to the not-waste-capacity-of-random-assorted-disks thing), but I haven't figured it out enough yet to be sure.
I also totally was mixing up Ceph with ZFS. Linux tech mentions ZFS a lot. That’s the source of most of my RAID knowledge lol
Pc gaming is kinda bringing gen z and alpha back to the light. RGB is how the get you and before you know it you're watching pewdepie's guide to installing Linux and custom android roms.
I'm quite optimistic about the computing future tbh! With LLM helping with troubleshooting the field should be much more accessible for anyone willing to learn.
Lost gen got all that kung-fu.
I, a millennial, built computers as a hobby. My daughter, a Gen Alpha, has no concept of computers and no interest outside of school work and tablets.
Use the forbidden fruit or caged reward method to teach.
Start with something like (assuming they have have a low tier phone) giving them a Google Pixel, but with the stock ROM erased, as a random day gift (not birthday or such).
When they ask why it won't turn on right, tell them it's because it needs a ROM to be installed to be used. When they ask what that is, open up Wikipedia for them, along with the GrapheneOS instructions.
You can do it with other stuff too, like "no wifi at home past 7pm", but give them a router that needs something installed to run and say "but if you setup this and plug it in to the internet, it'll be your own wifi you can use at all times" and so on.
That's an incredibly cool idea.
Am I the only one that demands to be called gen y?
Millennials are supposed to be the generation that ends the capitalist age tribalism propaganda
r/iamverysmart
Man Cody/Katie/Wormbo from Even More News look like they got put through the early 90's prime time TV show filter.
Gen Z lookin fine as hell.
interestingly, here in the balkans, there are plenty of gen z techy guys. they aren't full blown engineers but they can fix a lot of basic everyday problems. proud to be slavic lol
Great guy know is an actual boomer, grew up in Canada and then London after the war (dad was an MP). That dude took a passenger ship from Canada to UK and then back.
Was in Jolly ol' England at the right to see the Beatles before they were the Beatles.
He was doing things with palm pilots and computers that no senior citizen should have been doing if this ageist shit was in anyway accurate
Someone should rename the gens. I never know what people are refering to with the arbitrary names. Maybe gen a, b and c would work.
They did use letters, but they started with Gen X, because X was a cool letter in the 80s. Gen Y was changed to millennials because that was the time period they grew up in. Then Gen Z, which is the end of the alphabet, so they restarted, but with the Greek alphabet for gen alpha.
don't forget that the people that started naming the generations called themselves the "greatest generation"