I don't see how that's a "boomer" complaint lol I'm a millennial and don't know anyone that's excited to pay monthly fees for something they already bought
"Boomer" has lost all meaning. It has just become an empty counter for when you disagree with someone but you lack the emotional intelligence to have an actual discussion about something other the superficial.
And no gen-Z is happy about this model or pushing its use. It’s mostly being pushed by Gen-X and Boomer executives as a further mode of profit extraction in our rentier economic system.
There was a joke about “rethinking the Microsoft model” in a 2005 episode of The Office. The move to subscription based software has been in the works for 25 years or more.
I blame iPhone and Android apps that required developers to keep paying a $100 minimum yearly fee to keep an app in the App Store.
There were tons $1-$5 apps in the early days of the stores, but 3-4 years in they switched to either freemium subscriptions or adware (or ad ransom models). Usually as publishers bought out indie devs, if they just didn’t copy them anyway.
I mean it depends on whether they actually pay it off. Many boomers were able to leverage the explosion in housing prices into paying off their cheap mortgages ahead of time. The boomer success metric is actually based on this principle. Buy a $150k house in 1998. Sell it in 2018 for $450k. The mortgage is irrelevant.
The obvious problem with this is that it completely fucks over the next generation.
Because software needs to be maintained. Well at least most software that has a subscription model is maintained and gets regular updates. People don’t work for free, you have to pay them
That's the result of a fucked business model. Many software devs came and went prior to the subscription model. Technofeudalism is not wanted by anyone but the software publishers.
It is definitely not a boomer complaint, man's not paying like 2 bills a month for 10 different subscriptions for the newest shit hollywood productions only for the one tv show I want to be unavailable across all of them smh 🤦♂️
QR codes are great. Make a website that pays money to your bank account when people enter their credit card details and leave the QR code on top of other QR codes like the ones to pay for parking.
Its a crazy simple scam. Sure you might not fall for it but someone will.
That is a terrible scam, you will be caught in days when people go to court because they were towed when they paid on that site, and banks might well track you down out of spite.
Also, web pages that keep trying to force you to use the app if you access them on a smartphone, but then the app only has half the functionality of the web page
Can't really run one outside of your home network.it also requires people to set up a bit of hardware and change the DNS records in their routers, not a everyone is up for that. Especially those who just use whatever their ISP gives them.
If you have a VPN, it's trivial to point it at your pihole to get the benefits of both on the go, I agree it's not for everyone but you really dislike ads and tracking, there's little better out there to protect you and the barrier to entry is pretty low, though not zero.
I agree about the apps thing but QR code menus are fine imo. Beats having to decipher a sometimes outdated, damaged, dirty physical menu with a terrible print.
QR codes are a huge problem in contexts like this, because they are easy to overwrite and impossible for a human to verify the legitimacy of.
This means anyone with a sticker printer could slap a malicious QR code over the genuine one, and you won't know until you've already scanned it. This could easily take you to a clone of the restaurant's website for example, that instead steals your passwords or bank details.
It's just easier and simpler. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Besides, I don't want to dig my phone, open it, and have to turn off a 1900 'legitimate interest' switches or get told to download an app and let them install a camera in my ass.
Use Open Source Alternatives. You don't even need to install Linux if you prefer a different operating system, just use the OS programs like Libre Office, Krita, or Gimp.
Edit: AND THEN DONATE TO THE SOFTWARE THAT YOU USE SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THE WORK.
Yep I remember clearly the first time this happened to me with Splashtop Remote in like 2012. And more recently 4K video downloader. "4K video downloader is being deprecated, please upgrade to our new application, 4K video downloader" Literally only difference is my lifetime license is no longer good and I'd have to buy a subscription.
Well, too bad there are easier ways to download content and even if there wasn't you have made sure I will never get anywhere near your products ever again.
I just double checked my emails, and I forgot I did have to pay $7 AUD (like 4.50 USD) to upgrade it, which annoyed me a little at the time but was cheap enough I decided to swallow it.
This is wild. I decided to see what was what and clicked the link in my email to upgrade. It took me to the upgrade site and I pasted in my license key also retrieved from an email, and it said the license was inactive. I tried to retrieve the key again in case they had changed it, but it said no key associated with my email. Again they had emailed me the link to upgrade. Then I moved to my PC where I clicked the link in the application to upgrade and it autofilled my license key, same issue.
Oh well, I put in a ticket, but I'm no worse off than I was before. Thanks for the info, though.
This is my fear with dish and clothes washers manufacturers wanting to have wifi built into them. They've already gotten people used to using clothes and dish detergent in the form of little pods. I think appliance manufacturers look at printer companies and their ink prices and want a piece of that action. They want to play the same game. I'm sure Whirlpool would love it if you could only buy laundry detergent from them.
But in order to do that, they need to have their devices be internet-enabled. The printer companies figured this out. Third party ink manufacturers figure out ways to get past manufacturer lock-outs. So printers need to be internet enabled to allow patches that will disable new third party ink cartridges.
In my opinion, this is the real reason we see so many manufacturers trying to shove IoT and wifi connections into home appliances. Sure, selling your data to data brokers is a nice minor revenue stream. But the real prize is using that wifi to lock you in to buying obscenely expensive consumables for your dish washer, clothes washer, etc. Even fridges are at risk of this due to the water filters that many fridges have built in to them. Same with dryers.
The manufacturers of major appliances are pushing like crazy to connect these things to the net. Their official line is that they want this for consumer-friendly reasons. Most cynics say it's just a way to sell your data. I however think the real goal is to turn every home appliance into a vendor-locked piece of garbage that requires consumables priced like printer ink.
Great point of view and yet another strong reason not to just allow internet connections on every damn thing. One other huge reason - being forced to accept brand new (legally binding!) licensing agreements, long after the device has been paid for and installed.
Roku was in the news somewhat recently for auto-installing an update that required users to accept a new license agreement to continue to use the device they'd paid for and had been using up until that point. And that license wasn't a trivial change, it required the user to agree to forced arbitration!
In other words, in a very real sense, they came into the house and modified the TV (not just the cheap little streaming devices), then turned around and said "Want to keep using this thing you've made a part of your daily life? That you already paid us for? Well, fine you can, but - we don't want any of you to ever sue us, so agree not to or fuck you. Don't think too hard about it, it's your TV, just say yes and get on with it".
Wild stuff! And I guarantee it gets worse before it gets better. We need high quality FOSS hardware badly, I really hope we see that start to take off in a bigger way. I'm not super optimistic though, hardware being just a lot harder to iterate on.
If they make a washing machine that requires a subscription to their pods, I will switch to washing my clothes in a bucket using the cheapest detergent Aldi have.
Of course they'd act first when it inconveniences them. Ugh!
Here in Sweden there's one thing all our parties agree on; drugs are bad and anyone who takes them are morally bankrupt. According to sewage water tests in parliament, plenty of our parliamentarians are coked up on the job.
Our drug policies are super strict, to the point that people are dying because of them. Our ministry of health has recommended that we relax them a little, and for some reason this is the hill all our parties are willing to die on.
And there are people who just pay for it, which blows my mind. Companies wouldn't do it if there wasn't money to be had. So now we get nickel and dimed so these corporations can get a steady stream of income rather than providing good quality products.
Apps are really notorious for it. What used to be a 10$ app now they expect subscriptions that amount to 60$ or more a year with no real noteworthy changes in service.
Calorie counting apps, for example, have been doing the same thing for over a decade now with little change besides cosmetic upgrades and "AI".
Want to heat your car seats? That's a suspension. Want to use your car's radio? Another subscription. Get a higher mileage count to the gallon? Subscription.
This model should be straight-up illegal on environmental grounds alone. It's particularly egregious for electric car batteries.
Some manufacturers will make models with nominally different batteries, but in reality the same batteries are used throughout. There might be a model with three different battery options; 400, 300, and 200 mile range options. But the 200 mile range one doesn't actually have a battery half the size. It has a 400 mile battery with half of its capacity locked out by software controls. That means the 200 mile range option vehicles are hauling around hundreds of pounds of extra weight for literally no reason at all. Such cars are pointlessly burning energy every mile they drive, hauling around extra battery that serves them no purpose.
This stuff should be straight-up illegal. It should not be legal to sell a vehicle with software-locked equipment. Want to sell trim levels with different features? Fine. Quit being a cheap bastard and actually build vehicles with different equipment levels. Don't build them all with the high-end options and then force those who buy the cheaper trims to burn money for the rest of that vehicle's hauling around equipment they'll never use.
They're making money on this too, regardless of if you subscribe.
BMW announces that heated seats will be available in their cars with a subscription model. That's to say, you buy your car "without" heated seats, and then for when you need it, you can just pay a subscription to "unlock" it for as long as you need. Once summer comes, you can stop.
Caveats:
BMW saves money by streamlining their production process. By removing the option to select heated or unheated seats, they're making production easier and subsequently cheaper.
They're still fucking charging you for those seats. It's not like they're going to give away heated seats for free and bank on people using that subscription to recoup the costs. You already pay the full prices for those heated seats, and then they charge you extra while trying to phrase it like you're coming out on top on this deal.
If a software is not important, why would I pay for it?
If a software is important, maybe I could pay for it.
If a software is REALLY IMPORTANT, then I have no choice but to keep using it, at which point I can't possibly subject myself to the long term risk associated with a licensed piece of software. A free software is the only viable option.
Our country runs off the buying and selling of nonsense. If we truly want to make America great again, we've got to get back to work, doing things that make fucking sense, not that revolve around the billionaires' cock. These rich idiots have cornered the market that anything that actually makes sense never makes it to the surface. All the ideas that make it to our plate are nothing but coke-induced delusional garbage from out of touch clowns. They always say it can never be done. But if you look back in the day like I say the Cold War era, we did make it to the moon, but now we can't even tie our shoes. We're running on fumes the billionaire leaning over to smell his own brand, wafting in his own essence of nonsense. Like I'm not a military boy, but if you look into the whole issue with the military and the right to repair I mean all these people that toot the horn of stupidity are gonna get fucked too Like we won't be able to win a war because we can't afford it because the private companies won't let us repair our own equipment. I mean that's some dumb fuckery cuckery. Things have gotten so absurd that you don't even need to appeal to morals, but just use juxtaposition and point out contradiction. Like we're so far gone.
Boomer complaint? Why can't I smoke an after dinner cigarette at the restaurant in peace without people whining at me to get up and go outside? And what is it with all this "rap music" on the radio? I'll rather take Chet Baker any day of the week.
Well sadly if the only boomers left alive were old hippies that would be tolerable.
Old people overwhelmingly support hate and right wing governments, and we won't generalize. This is the generation who sold off our planet for a quick profit, and doomed our species.
I encourage you to get to work on the systemic issues outside your control so that in 50 years you won't feel guilty. By the numbers, Gen Z men are supporting right ring autocrats so I ponder if ignorance is a better excuse than apathy.
Falling into the boomer and whole generational strife fallacy is basically falling for oligarchic propaganda. Intergenerational strife makes people forget that the actual enemy is the oligarchy.
They say fight the oligarchy because they want to maintain the oppressive capitalist system that got us in this position to begin with. Capitalism in crisis produces fascism. We go through these cycles and it's always the liberals that paved the way. Remember, they tell you what you want to hear and be careful what you wish for. I think they call it pacification. They are the masters at the sofist Uno card. Unfortunately, the likes of Bernie and AOC are really just sheep dogs.
This is me. I grew up "choose between bills and food" poor, and found alternate solutions to enjoy things. Figured that once I had the disposable income I'd stop. Sure, I did pay my way for a long time too. The thing that fucked me off the most was Netflix telling me that I couldn't share my account with a student friend of mine. I'm paying to be able to watch on 4 screens simultaneously, who the fuck is Netflix to dictate where those screens are located?
I still pay for stuff, if I feel that the service, software, what have you, deserves my money. I've paid enough for Netflix through the years so anything there is just me collecting my due.
So you are claiming the only reason that you are not paying for the software that you were previously pirating is that they switched to a paid subscription? Right
I didn’t call you an asshole lol I just find it hard to believe someone would not just continue to pirate the software they already pirate if that remained an option
Right, but the problem with FOSS is a that it usually moves slow, typically isn't very user friendly, and has no real support from devs most of the time.
Krita (for art and what I want to use for learning art, it's avalible for both Linux and Windows)
Inkscape (for vector making and also can be used as a better text tool than kritas built in text tool if you're using it in a combined workflow, avalible on Windows and Linux)
Tahoma 2D (fork of OpenToonz, OpenToonz coming from Toonz which Studio Ghibli also uses. Used for 2D animation)
Qbitorrent (torrent application avalible on both Linux and Windows)
Gimp (Image editing program avalible on both Linux and Windows but in my personal opinion needs a UX rework)
That because people won't donate. Any project that manages to figure out a way to get donations or pay for it with enterprise support generally ends up with a better product than proprietary, because there's feedback, feature requests, and bug reports to make it better.
All kids think anyone older than them is a boomer. Actual boomers think all kids are millennials. Millennials can't catch a fucking break at either end.
I work and socialize with many Gen Xers and they are very near and dear to my heart, so please know that I say this with all the love in the world. Gen X is left out of the conversation because they're irrelevant to it. They want so badly what their boomer parents had that they may as well just be boomers. If we're talking comedy, music, culture, Gen X has made some brilliant contributions, but when the topic is Millennials getting dragged, Gen X doesn't get mentioned because there's no meaningful generational distinction between them and the Boomers. They've blended in with the very system we are critiquing.
And if they're not mentioned there will literally always be a comment like this. Trust me, no one has forgotten you, Gen X. But despite all your rage you are still just a rat in a cage.
“Of course you can use our software with a one time purchase!”
“We’ve been adding new features! To access our new features just subscribe to our premium subscription!”
“You’re still a premium member, and you have full access to our premium plan, but some of our options have changed, and to make the most of what we can offer you can subscribe to our premium gold+ plan! Try out a free 30 day trial!”
“Put your young in the payment grinder and your life and survival will not be put on the countdown timer! You need us to live, we need you to understand.”
I think it depends on the type of software. Subscriptions do make sense for software that requires regular updates, e.g. something tax related, where you need it updated with the latest regulations every year. Basically for anything that won't be useful a year from the purchase date without feature updates.
Nah, absolutely not. Putting a profit incentive on the news is how we end up with how the news currently is - reaction-bait with the sole purpose of driving engagement and views to generate ad revenue, instead of actual, unbiased, honest journalism.
I wouldn't say it was just that. News also got worse on e.g. government supported TV channels in countries that have them. Part of the problem is the regurgitation of social media on the news and also news organizations being afraid of social media backlash. Another part is politicians not giving interviews to organizations that ask them hard questions, that one was probably better in the past because there were more limited numbers of news sources.
If you want narrow readership. Or a society that bases its current events knowledge almost strictly on headlines instead of article content.
People can’t afford groceries. Rent. There is a profound increase in garbage both along highways and in rural locations because it’s the first utility to be sacrificed in the name of survival.
Paying $x per month to dig deeper in on a headline, while the above is happening, isn’t going to occur on any grand scale.
Do you think the news just appears on webpages for us to consume?
Particularly in the case of investigative journalism, there is a skill involved in writing the stories, and it consumes the time and effort of many people.
Charging money for your work is not "gatekeeping." It's how you keep eating.
The most boomer thing is getting suckered into subscription services. This is like an upside down meme. I got no strings on me. And I'm a real boy. * Pinocchio
Especially when you live in a roughly compass oriented grid city
I would imagine most of us Europeans would have difficulties with that. "compass oriented grid city" hasn't really been a thing here since Roman times.
It's well off the road and is not congruent with it, It has two viable fronts and since not quite 45° to the compass rose but not far enough off to use it to the description.
Can't say north south east west can't say roadside can't say front so I can't say left or right.
Labeling where IT equipment is is such a fucking pain in the ass.
There are fire stairs on either side of the building and they do not differentiate them.
I could probably do NE and SW But it just feel so fucking dirty.
I just called the sides East and West in the end even though they're nowhere near.
At least the rest of the IT staff could figure out east and west if we were compass oriented I would totally not feel bad about using it
Supermarket chain Kroger announced today that they are switching to a subscription model for grocery purchases. “Customers will no longer be allowed to buy groceries directly, but will now be requested to log in using their account in order to complete purchases.”
“Moving to a subscription model will help us to streamline operations, cut costs and continue to provide our customers with prices.” according to the Kroger CAI’s quarterly filing with Wall St.
“At the self-checkout, after scanning your groceries, simply login with your e-mail address and 64 character password. You will then receive a text with your 128 digit verification code, which you can type in manually at the 3rd numeric keypad.
If you attempt to purchase more than your subscription level, you’ll be guided on how to restock the excess items.”
Kroger says grocery plans will start at $5/day, which will enable customers to treat themselves to a daily ration of either 1 lb of cabbage or 1 lb of potatoes.
Please note that customers must create a unique account for each Kroger location. “Customer loyalty is very important to us.” said a Kroger representative, who then offered this reporter an opportunity to invest in a pre-public release of Kroger Koin.
So it's either we destroy our masters or we allow our children to destroy our societies and who could blame the kids? There's a reason why things are the way they are. Older men are dating younger women. I wonder why this is. Maybe it's because their wallets are more mature. And what am I supposed to do? Be angry at women? Get real. One of the reasons why we have so many young men who are incels is because of employment issues. Yet some forms of feminism specifically libturd females who Love castrating males and rubbing shit in their face, blaming it on rightwing populism, but populism is capitalism in crisis. We are still in fucking denial. The violence that is directed towards women is directly correlated with socioeconomics and stupid fucking Judeo-Christian values. Now I know correlation is not causation. But shit, it's got a relationship.. Now just because people do these things and there is a bad economy doesn't justify their actions but I am wise enough to know that I am a product of my environment. Look at all of these familicides that happen in our country yet we got these dumbass oinker shit rags making $200,000 plus a year and they are forming deputy gangs emboldened to the point where they're chasing ink with their gang tattoos. The Catholic Church and the police are very similar in that they just shuffle around these reprobates. I don't leave the house much only for what I need to do, the basic necessities of life. But when I do, I usually take a drive on a Sunday where all those that want to ignore our problems are in their homes sheltered buying shit on Amazon and I drive around and I look at all the people that are pushing shopping carts. Not like animals in the zoo, I'm just trying to see the temperature and where we're at. It's not looking good. Sometimes in life there are no easy answers. We live in the paradox, a open air prison, where we don't understand what's going on in the black box. If we could get inside that black box, we could turn the dials like the Wizard of Oz, and all these stupid social fucking ills would just automatically just disappear, at least at the rate that they are now. The German population hated themselves and that's why they invented the undesirables. Now you as a civilization have an option. You either start having respect for yourself or you're going to create a system that executes the undesirables while failing to realize that one day you might be an undesirable. Now it's kind of like a slow even burn, but pretty soon this system is going to open up the komono, come on out and start swinging dick. Are you ready to send your children to die for a billionaire's cock? Are you ready to be conscripted? because it's gonna happen and they're gonna start dropping nukes. You're also going to see false flag events happening in your own country, but yet you think I'm a tin foil hat man and I think you're an idiot that doesn't understand history. There is no fucking war but the class war. The left and right paradigm is a byproduct of kicking the can. And the paradoxes that we live in are really fake. So when your grandpappy got some old man knowledge. Just remember, his brain doesn't work like it used to.
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I remember back in the day the year 2000 something I was willing to pay like fucking $400 for that shit, but I kept it forever. Now, I just question why I even bother with a with Photoshop. Wait a second, I don't. I'm a man. I use gimp. Most of the features they offer are fucking stupid. Art and design is subtle and it is made for humans by Humans. I think these fucking ad agencies are gonna have to learn the hard way. Not that the herd is going to all of a sudden be a bunch of badass punk rockers, but people are just not going to be susceptible to it anymore. And then where do they go? I look at advertising nowadays and it's just so gross and unappealing. And like, I have a hair trigger. Like, everything I am experiencing, I know is somehow a fucking lie. I move slower nowadays with my purchases and usually some form of verification like a human being is needed for me to buy. And just a side note, I use to think people that were suck asses and just, you know, tooted the horn of corporate America acted like robots. And I think it's kind of funny that they're being replaced with robots. like you're a tool and now you're being replaced by a tool. The whole model really is just lower the bar and shoehorn in nonsense. lowest common denominator thinking and when they corner the market who else are you gonna go to or just give up on it entirely and say fuck it ...I hate suck asses. They're nothing but a bunch of goddamn phonies.
No subscriptions, thank you. I straight away turn down even free trial periods even if they are offered as a compensation for a CS ticket.
And when Strava automatically set a bunch of users to Premium for a while, hence showing a "paid user" icon for those users (nice marketing trick though), I removed my account.
Ironically this made me donate to the lemmy instance my account is on. For the cost of just 3 bags of coffee a year I raised the monthly donations by 1%. Feels good man.
I was thinking more like $30 AUD, or 130 DKK a bag in my case, which is pretty much just supermarket coffee. I used it as a reference because I feel like coffee has become too expensive lately. You're right though, that if I bought the good stuff from a real bean roaster it'd be more the prices you listed.
This is the answer. If you pay for software you have only yourself to blame. I pay for email because I don't feel like dealing with it. Everything else is open source and/or selfhosted.
I myself also hate to pay for subscriptions and heavily favor to buy something only one time.
But I also understand why something like software is sold as a subscription. If you take "normal", physical products like smartphones, cars or literally almost anything else, it is accepted that you have to buy a new one every few years (the time span obviously varies from product to product) and that repairs will also cost money, at least after the guarantee ends. But software is expected and required to be maintained, thus costing the developer money even after you bought it. Online features also lead to sever costs.
Because of that, a subscription can be compared to paying for car repairs and maintenance.
I think it would be fair if you bought a version of a product for a fixed price, which you could use indefinitely and then to take a small price to upgrade to newer versions.
I think it would be fair if you bought a version of a product for a fixed price, which you could use indefinitely and then to take a small price to upgrade to newer versions
I mean that's exactly how it used to work. You'd buy Office 2004, you could use it forever. When the new one released you could choose to upgrade if you wanted.
I just hate it for stuff I am going to use sporadically. Like iracing. In summer I'll use it like once a month. In winter maybe like 4 times a week. But the price doesn't change. I could not use it for 3 months and then I wasted that money. I don't like that. Also, you never own anything then, which is what they want.
Hello its HP...we have an all new printer subscription model we would like to sell you. Give us money monthly. Or better, give us money every time you use the printer!
The way it works is you pay for the printer, take it home, install the software and connect it unnecessarily to the internet where a hacker can easily hack your pii. Then we monitor your ink levels and printing count. If you use it, we charge you per page. If you're running out of ink, we'll charge you monthly and send you a new bottle. We'll monitor the room temperature and sell that information to the power company. We'll monitor for loud notices and send that to ICE and to shoe making companies so they can either deport you or sell you new shoes. Aren't printers awesome?
There was a map app I liked better than Google Maps because you could download any map you wanted for route planning and if you wanted traffic info etc, you had to buy the app for those features. But if you had to go places without cell connectivity. you would still be able to find your way.
Anyways, I liked it so much I payed 25 bucks to buy the app. Purchasing it gave me access to everything the app could do. Then Literally 6 months later, they were bought out by another company and rebranded and didn't honor people who bought the app. Instead I would have to pay a monthly fee to use it..
I got rid of it and will never buy another app again.
I wouldn't mind renting software, if only subscription-based software was such that you only paid the money for the subscription. It would be a fine way of using something for a short term, and a fine way to get some sort of guarantee that the software is maintained.
But you'll also end up paying with your data that they sell out.
Yes, and I feel pretty privileged that I can make a living with stuff like that instead of making money for some heartless corporation that doesn't ultimately care about anything except for money.
No, but I also don't expect that as a user. It is also fine if the developer makes version 2.0 and I can decide to buy the new version or not. Before the internet this was pretty much how it worked, a new version came on a new floppy or disc you'd buy in a store.
Then again, application software wasn't cheap. Given inflation, would you pay a thousand bucks for a lifetime license of a piece of software that didn't get any updates ever?
I was too young to really buy software but the most expensive game I bought as a kid was 40 guilders. If use and inflation correction calculator and convert to euros that game in 1995 would be 36 euros in todays money, about 40 dollars. This was a gameboy game.
A pc game back then was between 50 and 60 dollars (converted with inflation).
But this was all in a physical store, where you would get an actual box, book, cartridge or disc, etc.
The only excuse for subscription model is when there is cloud storage/sync or server provided functions that are a core part of the software.
If I didn't rely heavily on the cloud storage and syncing part of Lightroom for editing photos seamlessly on desktop, mobile, and web, then I would already have dropped Adobe for Darktable and a pirated copy of Photoshop CS2 for when I need to print.
I'm glad to see you mention that, I was going to make a similar comment. I figure it's a message that's probably well understood here on the fediverse, but outside of this space not so much.
I think there's also an argument to be made for charging subscriptions based on overall maintenance needs. Upgrades, updates, bug fixes, and things of that nature take time and can also cost money.
However, overall, there are way too many subscription based apps that just don't seem justified. If I buy version 2.3 of AppXYZ, and as long as I stick to that version nor need any online functionality, I just don't see a valid excuse for a subscription, other than pure greed on the developers' part.
they just need to outlaw subscription based services on services that don't need it.
And no continuous support is not a valid subscription reason, if you want to charge support separate that's fair to do but this pay 60$ a year "because it's a continuous development" needs to go away.
Same with the "pay a rent for a building", it's just money drain. Being a landlord should not be allowed to be for profit, and should be heavily regulated. If you wanna rent? Sure, but at max it should be equivalent to costs the building has, and restricted to only apartment complexes. So annoying that you can't find property anymore to actually /own/ because a handful of rental companies can just write a blank check and buy it all.
Try Linux, I just recently installed fedora on dual boot
But be aware that it's not all hunky-dory because I'm still figuring out how to get nvidia drivers working after trying solutions I found online and I'm still trying to figure out how to get hdr working in gnome and there's also the fact that kde plasma keeps freezing after a short time so I'm stuck on gnome
Installation was fine though, I was scared I was going to fuck something up with dual boot
I liked the look of KDE plasma and used it when I first started with Linux but it is a buggy mess and extremely bloated. It feels like it's stuck trying to be Windows 7 aero.
As for NV I use Nvidia as well and I haven't had any issues on CachyOS with Nvidia's actual "open" drivers (not neuveau)
When you have a world of billionaires, everybody's reaching out their hands, begging, and shaking ass. This is called the Gambler's Economy. Where weak men rule over those that work and produce value.
Definitely gonna keep my subscriptions as minimal as I can, like I currently am: just a VPN. Obviously I have a few others I'll need in the future like utilities, internet, and phone, but those are the bare minimum you need since you can scrape by without paying a dime for content thanks to piracy, so long as you are careful.
I have a couple of ones that I'd say are both high on the list ( no idea which is higher because they're both pretty annoying to me ).
The first is that when I do dishes at home, I put certain things a very specific way when filling the dishwasher and putting things away, which is why I absolutely hate when other people do dishes. I'll deal with other people doing the dishes, but then I always feel like I gotta go and put things back where they belong when I'm not the one to put the dishes away.
The second is more furry fandom specific. So, when it comes to fursuits, some people might ditch the fursuit head and just maybe wear the paws or other pieces of it if it's not a single piece costume. My gripe is specifically that: not wearing the head. I don't care if you poodle ( wear a partial and show some skin ), talk in suit, or whatever, but I think it's extremely disrespectful to the character your suit is based off of, whether it's your fursona, OC, an adopt, liberty suit, whatever, to not wear the head at a bare minimum. It's why my opinion the bare minimum you should do for a fursuit commission should be the head.
I want to buy something and it will come with a certain amount of updates. It will be one fixed price and keep working after that certain period of updates.
The same people complaining about software subscriptions also complained that shrink wrapped software was too expensive and didn’t get free updates for life.
I don't see how that's a "boomer" complaint lol I'm a millennial and don't know anyone that's excited to pay monthly fees for something they already bought
Yeah. The subscription model really only took off during GenZ.
not only that, but people usually use boomer, in this context, to say that the complaint is stupid, or selfish, or something
the gradual loss of ownership is a real fucking issue
In the future, you'll own nothing and like it!
Wait, you guys own something?
"Boomer" has lost all meaning. It has just become an empty counter for when you disagree with someone but you lack the emotional intelligence to have an actual discussion about something other the superficial.
I’ve always blamed Adobe for the subscription mess, and that started in the early 00’s.
My vintage copy of Adobe CS6 needs knee surgery at this point.
And no gen-Z is happy about this model or pushing its use. It’s mostly being pushed by Gen-X and Boomer executives as a further mode of profit extraction in our rentier economic system.
Sure, we'll just wait for the gen-Z executives to roll it al back then right? It'll never happen, this is a money thing, not a generation thing.
that's the point I was trying to make
There was a joke about “rethinking the Microsoft model” in a 2005 episode of The Office. The move to subscription based software has been in the works for 25 years or more.
Because that's when the infrastructure started getting developed to support that model
I blame iPhone and Android apps that required developers to keep paying a $100 minimum yearly fee to keep an app in the App Store.
There were tons $1-$5 apps in the early days of the stores, but 3-4 years in they switched to either freemium subscriptions or adware (or ad ransom models). Usually as publishers bought out indie devs, if they just didn’t copy them anyway.
It's because a lot of boomers own their homes and the concept of rent is foreign to them.
I really don't understand why people call themselves homeowners when they are paying off a 30 year mortgage.
Feels like rent with extra steps.
I mean it depends on whether they actually pay it off. Many boomers were able to leverage the explosion in housing prices into paying off their cheap mortgages ahead of time. The boomer success metric is actually based on this principle. Buy a $150k house in 1998. Sell it in 2018 for $450k. The mortgage is irrelevant.
The obvious problem with this is that it completely fucks over the next generation.
Most boomers don't even use any paid software aside from Windows and an antivirus they got tricked into buying
Because software needs to be maintained. Well at least most software that has a subscription model is maintained and gets regular updates. People don’t work for free, you have to pay them
That's the result of a fucked business model. Many software devs came and went prior to the subscription model. Technofeudalism is not wanted by anyone but the software publishers.
I don’t think you can compare software from like 20 years ago to software today.
Things got way more complicated and applications require a lot more work
It is definitely not a boomer complaint, man's not paying like 2 bills a month for 10 different subscriptions for the newest shit hollywood productions only for the one tv show I want to be unavailable across all of them smh 🤦♂️
Not everything needs a goddamn app.
Also, no I'm not gonna scan the QR code to look at the menu. Luckily, I've never had a resturant decline a request for a physical menu.
QR codes are great. Make a website that pays money to your bank account when people enter their credit card details and leave the QR code on top of other QR codes like the ones to pay for parking.
Its a crazy simple scam. Sure you might not fall for it but someone will.
Oh wow I just replied that QR codes for stuff like menus is nice, but for paying ? That is a terrible idea lol. Never seen one in the wild though.
In the UK a lot of them take you to a site that you order the food from and that includes payment. Replacing it with your own QR code is very easy.
That is a terrible scam, you will be caught in days when people go to court because they were towed when they paid on that site, and banks might well track you down out of spite.
It's like fishing.
Also, web pages that keep trying to force you to use the app if you access them on a smartphone, but then the app only has half the functionality of the web page
Half the functionality that you see. Behind the scenes, it's working like crazy tracking everything you do.
... and all the ads, that I can't block outside the browser
PiHole
that's beyond my IT skills, but AdGuard fortunately works for most apps
With unbound
Can't really run one outside of your home network.it also requires people to set up a bit of hardware and change the DNS records in their routers, not a everyone is up for that. Especially those who just use whatever their ISP gives them.
If you have a VPN, it's trivial to point it at your pihole to get the benefits of both on the go, I agree it's not for everyone but you really dislike ads and tracking, there's little better out there to protect you and the barrier to entry is pretty low, though not zero.
And the website runs like dogshit on a mobile for no discernible reason
Obviously you should be scanning the QR codes with your laptop, duh. /s
The app is usually just a PWA with extra side code to mine your phone.
I agree about the apps thing but QR code menus are fine imo. Beats having to decipher a sometimes outdated, damaged, dirty physical menu with a terrible print.
QR codes are a huge problem in contexts like this, because they are easy to overwrite and impossible for a human to verify the legitimacy of.
This means anyone with a sticker printer could slap a malicious QR code over the genuine one, and you won't know until you've already scanned it. This could easily take you to a clone of the restaurant's website for example, that instead steals your passwords or bank details.
Why is a paper menu the hill you choose?
It's just easier and simpler. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Besides, I don't want to dig my phone, open it, and have to turn off a 1900 'legitimate interest' switches or get told to download an app and let them install a camera in my ass.
Use Open Source Alternatives. You don't even need to install Linux if you prefer a different operating system, just use the OS programs like Libre Office, Krita, or Gimp.
Edit: AND THEN DONATE TO THE SOFTWARE THAT YOU USE SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THE WORK.
This^
VLC is open source and I am always using that while watching unlicensed content.
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Subbed!
It's like you don't get the idea at all!
Shit, they got me!
meanwhile, companies are killing lifetime licenses that were previously paid for.
Yep I remember clearly the first time this happened to me with Splashtop Remote in like 2012. And more recently 4K video downloader. "4K video downloader is being deprecated, please upgrade to our new application, 4K video downloader" Literally only difference is my lifetime license is no longer good and I'd have to buy a subscription.
Well, too bad there are easier ways to download content and even if there wasn't you have made sure I will never get anywhere near your products ever again.
That's strange, 4k allowed me to upgrade my lifetime sub key to a new key for the new program.
Whaaaat?? That's interesting, thanks. I will definitely have to look into that. I didn't bother with the new one I just got mad lol
I just double checked my emails, and I forgot I did have to pay $7 AUD (like 4.50 USD) to upgrade it, which annoyed me a little at the time but was cheap enough I decided to swallow it.
This is wild. I decided to see what was what and clicked the link in my email to upgrade. It took me to the upgrade site and I pasted in my license key also retrieved from an email, and it said the license was inactive. I tried to retrieve the key again in case they had changed it, but it said no key associated with my email. Again they had emailed me the link to upgrade. Then I moved to my PC where I clicked the link in the application to upgrade and it autofilled my license key, same issue. Oh well, I put in a ticket, but I'm no worse off than I was before. Thanks for the info, though.
Damn sorry about that. Hope it works out for you.
This is my fear with dish and clothes washers manufacturers wanting to have wifi built into them. They've already gotten people used to using clothes and dish detergent in the form of little pods. I think appliance manufacturers look at printer companies and their ink prices and want a piece of that action. They want to play the same game. I'm sure Whirlpool would love it if you could only buy laundry detergent from them.
But in order to do that, they need to have their devices be internet-enabled. The printer companies figured this out. Third party ink manufacturers figure out ways to get past manufacturer lock-outs. So printers need to be internet enabled to allow patches that will disable new third party ink cartridges.
In my opinion, this is the real reason we see so many manufacturers trying to shove IoT and wifi connections into home appliances. Sure, selling your data to data brokers is a nice minor revenue stream. But the real prize is using that wifi to lock you in to buying obscenely expensive consumables for your dish washer, clothes washer, etc. Even fridges are at risk of this due to the water filters that many fridges have built in to them. Same with dryers.
The manufacturers of major appliances are pushing like crazy to connect these things to the net. Their official line is that they want this for consumer-friendly reasons. Most cynics say it's just a way to sell your data. I however think the real goal is to turn every home appliance into a vendor-locked piece of garbage that requires consumables priced like printer ink.
Great point of view and yet another strong reason not to just allow internet connections on every damn thing. One other huge reason - being forced to accept brand new (legally binding!) licensing agreements, long after the device has been paid for and installed.
Roku was in the news somewhat recently for auto-installing an update that required users to accept a new license agreement to continue to use the device they'd paid for and had been using up until that point. And that license wasn't a trivial change, it required the user to agree to forced arbitration!
In other words, in a very real sense, they came into the house and modified the TV (not just the cheap little streaming devices), then turned around and said "Want to keep using this thing you've made a part of your daily life? That you already paid us for? Well, fine you can, but - we don't want any of you to ever sue us, so agree not to or fuck you. Don't think too hard about it, it's your TV, just say yes and get on with it".
Wild stuff! And I guarantee it gets worse before it gets better. We need high quality FOSS hardware badly, I really hope we see that start to take off in a bigger way. I'm not super optimistic though, hardware being just a lot harder to iterate on.
If they make a washing machine that requires a subscription to their pods, I will switch to washing my clothes in a bucket using the cheapest detergent Aldi have.
Cory Doctorow wrote a fantastic story about this. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wandyezj/reference/master/unauthorized-bread.pdf
If I ever end up in a situation where I can only get 'smart' appliances, I'll just start washing my laundry at a lake or something.
Fuck it, if they do this I'll go stinky as a protest. I'll stink so bad that the politicians will be forced to regulate.
Go stand in front of a government building and spread your disgusting armpits. Use a fan to direct the smell there, or even better, go inside.
Reminds me of how British politicians were forced to act on pollution of the river Thames because the Parliament building got unbearably stinky.
Of course they'd act first when it inconveniences them. Ugh!
Here in Sweden there's one thing all our parties agree on; drugs are bad and anyone who takes them are morally bankrupt. According to sewage water tests in parliament, plenty of our parliamentarians are coked up on the job.
Our drug policies are super strict, to the point that people are dying because of them. Our ministry of health has recommended that we relax them a little, and for some reason this is the hill all our parties are willing to die on.
You're nearly there already! 🤢
Only nearly? Shit, I really gotta put my back into it, then!
And there are people who just pay for it, which blows my mind. Companies wouldn't do it if there wasn't money to be had. So now we get nickel and dimed so these corporations can get a steady stream of income rather than providing good quality products.
Apps are really notorious for it. What used to be a 10$ app now they expect subscriptions that amount to 60$ or more a year with no real noteworthy changes in service.
Calorie counting apps, for example, have been doing the same thing for over a decade now with little change besides cosmetic upgrades and "AI".
This is what happens when we've conditioned a generation that any prices businesses charge is fair as long as you can afford it.
Want to heat your car seats? That's a suspension. Want to use your car's radio? Another subscription. Get a higher mileage count to the gallon? Subscription.
This model should be straight-up illegal on environmental grounds alone. It's particularly egregious for electric car batteries.
Some manufacturers will make models with nominally different batteries, but in reality the same batteries are used throughout. There might be a model with three different battery options; 400, 300, and 200 mile range options. But the 200 mile range one doesn't actually have a battery half the size. It has a 400 mile battery with half of its capacity locked out by software controls. That means the 200 mile range option vehicles are hauling around hundreds of pounds of extra weight for literally no reason at all. Such cars are pointlessly burning energy every mile they drive, hauling around extra battery that serves them no purpose.
This stuff should be straight-up illegal. It should not be legal to sell a vehicle with software-locked equipment. Want to sell trim levels with different features? Fine. Quit being a cheap bastard and actually build vehicles with different equipment levels. Don't build them all with the high-end options and then force those who buy the cheaper trims to burn money for the rest of that vehicle's hauling around equipment they'll never use.
If only we lived in a country that didn't have exploitative plutocrats running the government.
I buy things that are a one-time purchase sometimes entirely because I was given the option.
They're making money on this too, regardless of if you subscribe.
BMW announces that heated seats will be available in their cars with a subscription model. That's to say, you buy your car "without" heated seats, and then for when you need it, you can just pay a subscription to "unlock" it for as long as you need. Once summer comes, you can stop.
Caveats:
If a software is not important, why would I pay for it?
If a software is important, maybe I could pay for it.
If a software is REALLY IMPORTANT, then I have no choice but to keep using it, at which point I can't possibly subject myself to the long term risk associated with a licensed piece of software. A free software is the only viable option.
This is a particularly useful way to phrase it / think about it, gonna hold onto this one, thanks!
Our country runs off the buying and selling of nonsense. If we truly want to make America great again, we've got to get back to work, doing things that make fucking sense, not that revolve around the billionaires' cock. These rich idiots have cornered the market that anything that actually makes sense never makes it to the surface. All the ideas that make it to our plate are nothing but coke-induced delusional garbage from out of touch clowns. They always say it can never be done. But if you look back in the day like I say the Cold War era, we did make it to the moon, but now we can't even tie our shoes. We're running on fumes the billionaire leaning over to smell his own brand, wafting in his own essence of nonsense. Like I'm not a military boy, but if you look into the whole issue with the military and the right to repair I mean all these people that toot the horn of stupidity are gonna get fucked too Like we won't be able to win a war because we can't afford it because the private companies won't let us repair our own equipment. I mean that's some dumb fuckery cuckery. Things have gotten so absurd that you don't even need to appeal to morals, but just use juxtaposition and point out contradiction. Like we're so far gone.
Boomer complaint? Why can't I smoke an after dinner cigarette at the restaurant in peace without people whining at me to get up and go outside? And what is it with all this "rap music" on the radio? I'll rather take Chet Baker any day of the week.
Why don't kids just walk into the store, shake hands with a manager, and get a job immediately?
Somebody understood the assignment! That being said smokers while you are still eating are pretty tough on some people.
Duh, just sit in the non smoking section and you’ll be fine.
Non smoking section?
Oh you sweet summer child.
I meant to imply it not existing in some locations.
Oh I thought you were young enough not to have been alive when they were still prevalent. Which is honestly not a really high bar anymore.
Fighting Oligopoly is not a "boomer complaint" they want you to say that because it legitimizes their hostile tactics and takeover.
And we all know a Boomer would complain for the oligopoly.
The only Boomers I talk these days are old hippies and they would disagree.
Don't generalize old people. Its irritating and aggravates our sciatica.
Well sadly if the only boomers left alive were old hippies that would be tolerable.
Old people overwhelmingly support hate and right wing governments, and we won't generalize. This is the generation who sold off our planet for a quick profit, and doomed our species.
I encourage you to get to work on the systemic issues outside your control so that in 50 years you won't feel guilty. By the numbers, Gen Z men are supporting right ring autocrats so I ponder if ignorance is a better excuse than apathy.
I'm a Xoomer and my knees just clicked.
Falling into the boomer and whole generational strife fallacy is basically falling for oligarchic propaganda. Intergenerational strife makes people forget that the actual enemy is the oligarchy.
They say fight the oligarchy because they want to maintain the oppressive capitalist system that got us in this position to begin with. Capitalism in crisis produces fascism. We go through these cycles and it's always the liberals that paved the way. Remember, they tell you what you want to hear and be careful what you wish for. I think they call it pacification. They are the masters at the sofist Uno card. Unfortunately, the likes of Bernie and AOC are really just sheep dogs.
I pirated everything before they decided to make everything rental only.
I assumed when I got older I'd be able to afford the software and they'd get there due.
But now they want everything to be rental and I'm not down for that.
This is me. I grew up "choose between bills and food" poor, and found alternate solutions to enjoy things. Figured that once I had the disposable income I'd stop. Sure, I did pay my way for a long time too. The thing that fucked me off the most was Netflix telling me that I couldn't share my account with a student friend of mine. I'm paying to be able to watch on 4 screens simultaneously, who the fuck is Netflix to dictate where those screens are located?
I still pay for stuff, if I feel that the service, software, what have you, deserves my money. I've paid enough for Netflix through the years so anything there is just me collecting my due.
: Side eyes Adobe CS6 Suite and Ableton:
So you are claiming the only reason that you are not paying for the software that you were previously pirating is that they switched to a paid subscription? Right
Hmm, immediately call me out for being an assjole without asking if I own all the software that's not rental?
Go troll somebody else, I don't have time for people like you.
I didn’t call you an asshole lol I just find it hard to believe someone would not just continue to pirate the software they already pirate if that remained an option
You guessed wrong, this is common.
When i was young and broke there were games that I've pirated. Played, and loved, and bought them redundantly to make up for it.
I wouldn't have played the game if I didn't.
I wish game demos were still popular.
And good and blocked bye-bye
This is why FOSS with donation is actually a superior model.
I honestly rather download a free software and donate after I know that it’s good and I’ll know that I’ll always have access to it.
Paying for something that can be revoked (cause it’s a legally license, not owned) just doesn’t sound like ownership.
Right, but the problem with FOSS is a that it usually moves slow, typically isn't very user friendly, and has no real support from devs most of the time.
But also: Blender
It really is a marvel of open source software.
To add on to this:
Krita (for art and what I want to use for learning art, it's avalible for both Linux and Windows)
Inkscape (for vector making and also can be used as a better text tool than kritas built in text tool if you're using it in a combined workflow, avalible on Windows and Linux)
Tahoma 2D (fork of OpenToonz, OpenToonz coming from Toonz which Studio Ghibli also uses. Used for 2D animation)
Qbitorrent (torrent application avalible on both Linux and Windows)
Gimp (Image editing program avalible on both Linux and Windows but in my personal opinion needs a UX rework)
Turns out, if it's a single person in their free time it's slower. But at least if something isn't working I can fix it myself.
The best thing is when a private company contributes regularly to FOSS projects moving them along at a timely pace.
That because people won't donate. Any project that manages to figure out a way to get donations or pay for it with enterprise support generally ends up with a better product than proprietary, because there's feedback, feature requests, and bug reports to make it better.
This is a chicken and an egg problem.
Any software project with a substantial user base does not have this issue.
Seeing a subscription actually makes my decision easy. I see it and immediately know to avoid.
Yarr! Raise the black flag!
Do kids these days think boomers are 20yo?
All kids think anyone older than them is a boomer. Actual boomers think all kids are millennials. Millennials can't catch a fucking break at either end.
Gen X is left out of the conversation, and doesn't care.
I work and socialize with many Gen Xers and they are very near and dear to my heart, so please know that I say this with all the love in the world. Gen X is left out of the conversation because they're irrelevant to it. They want so badly what their boomer parents had that they may as well just be boomers. If we're talking comedy, music, culture, Gen X has made some brilliant contributions, but when the topic is Millennials getting dragged, Gen X doesn't get mentioned because there's no meaningful generational distinction between them and the Boomers. They've blended in with the very system we are critiquing. And if they're not mentioned there will literally always be a comment like this. Trust me, no one has forgotten you, Gen X. But despite all your rage you are still just a rat in a cage.
🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽
We can't catch a break ever.
Like we all started having memories of stuff and it all went down from there
I thought it was a boomer is “older than me” and a millennial is “dem youngens”. /s
As far as I can tell, the word "boomer" has shifted from "an out-of-touch adult from the baby boomer generation" to "an out-of touch adult."
“Of course you can use our software with a one time purchase!”
“We’ve been adding new features! To access our new features just subscribe to our premium subscription!”
“You’re still a premium member, and you have full access to our premium plan, but some of our options have changed, and to make the most of what we can offer you can subscribe to our premium gold+ plan! Try out a free 30 day trial!”
“Put your young in the payment grinder and your life and survival will not be put on the countdown timer! You need us to live, we need you to understand.”
The latest season of Black Mirror had an Episode just like this.
The beginning of the episode: “Rashida Jones AND Chris O’Dowd?! Two of my favorite comedy people! This seems like it might be a fun episode.”
The end of the episode: “Should I bother cleaning my gun before I put it in my mouth?”
Deadass. I'm so done with subscription services. They're so annoying.
For real for real
No cap
finna rizz up some FOSS contributors
How is that a boomer complaint? It’s basic. Microsoft Word should be buy once for 3 computers, as it always was until subs took over.
We can’t even read the news anymore without a sub.
I like the use of the word rent for this.
I think it depends on the type of software. Subscriptions do make sense for software that requires regular updates, e.g. something tax related, where you need it updated with the latest regulations every year. Basically for anything that won't be useful a year from the purchase date without feature updates.
That’s fair, what’s not fair is Word and other such basics engaging this model.
Nah, absolutely not. Putting a profit incentive on the news is how we end up with how the news currently is - reaction-bait with the sole purpose of driving engagement and views to generate ad revenue, instead of actual, unbiased, honest journalism.
I wouldn't say it was just that. News also got worse on e.g. government supported TV channels in countries that have them. Part of the problem is the regurgitation of social media on the news and also news organizations being afraid of social media backlash. Another part is politicians not giving interviews to organizations that ask them hard questions, that one was probably better in the past because there were more limited numbers of news sources.
If you want narrow readership. Or a society that bases its current events knowledge almost strictly on headlines instead of article content.
People can’t afford groceries. Rent. There is a profound increase in garbage both along highways and in rural locations because it’s the first utility to be sacrificed in the name of survival.
Paying $x per month to dig deeper in on a headline, while the above is happening, isn’t going to occur on any grand scale.
I agree. But you can’t squeeze blood from a rock.
Gatekeeping the news? No ty.
Do you think the news just appears on webpages for us to consume?
Particularly in the case of investigative journalism, there is a skill involved in writing the stories, and it consumes the time and effort of many people.
Charging money for your work is not "gatekeeping." It's how you keep eating.
Feel the love of Free Open Source Software.
Technoserfdom
I'm reminded of the novel Ubiq, where the protagonist had to feed change into his apartment door just to get it to open.
Certainly not a Boomer complain.
The most boomer thing is getting suckered into subscription services. This is like an upside down meme. I got no strings on me. And I'm a real boy. * Pinocchio
Aren't the blue checks part of a subscription model?
My most boomer complaint is when people don't know what I mean when I say "let's meet at the eastern entrance of the building".
Especially when you live in a roughly compass oriented grid city, this is unacceptable.
Kids these days
(I'm not a boomer)
I would imagine most of us Europeans would have difficulties with that. "compass oriented grid city" hasn't really been a thing here since Roman times.
Indeed, this is fair, but also you have a map on your phone
Lol, yeah, the fucking building at work kills me.
It's well off the road and is not congruent with it, It has two viable fronts and since not quite 45° to the compass rose but not far enough off to use it to the description.
Can't say north south east west can't say roadside can't say front so I can't say left or right.
Labeling where IT equipment is is such a fucking pain in the ass.
There are fire stairs on either side of the building and they do not differentiate them.
I could probably do NE and SW But it just feel so fucking dirty.
I just called the sides East and West in the end even though they're nowhere near.
At least the rest of the IT staff could figure out east and west if we were compass oriented I would totally not feel bad about using it
Supermarket chain Kroger announced today that they are switching to a subscription model for grocery purchases. “Customers will no longer be allowed to buy groceries directly, but will now be requested to log in using their account in order to complete purchases.”
“Moving to a subscription model will help us to streamline operations, cut costs and continue to provide our customers with prices.” according to the Kroger CAI’s quarterly filing with Wall St.
“At the self-checkout, after scanning your groceries, simply login with your e-mail address and 64 character password. You will then receive a text with your 128 digit verification code, which you can type in manually at the 3rd numeric keypad. If you attempt to purchase more than your subscription level, you’ll be guided on how to restock the excess items.”
Kroger says grocery plans will start at $5/day, which will enable customers to treat themselves to a daily ration of either 1 lb of cabbage or 1 lb of potatoes.
Please note that customers must create a unique account for each Kroger location. “Customer loyalty is very important to us.” said a Kroger representative, who then offered this reporter an opportunity to invest in a pre-public release of Kroger Koin.
Had me eating the onion until the third paragraph
😁
I love potatoes and cabbage personally. But this is still scarily accurate and possible.
Kroger can come eat what I flush every morning.
Will I need a shoplifting subscription too as an add on?
Time to start growing our own food. People buying groceries on klarna, after pay etc is already happening
So it's either we destroy our masters or we allow our children to destroy our societies and who could blame the kids? There's a reason why things are the way they are. Older men are dating younger women. I wonder why this is. Maybe it's because their wallets are more mature. And what am I supposed to do? Be angry at women? Get real. One of the reasons why we have so many young men who are incels is because of employment issues. Yet some forms of feminism specifically libturd females who Love castrating males and rubbing shit in their face, blaming it on rightwing populism, but populism is capitalism in crisis. We are still in fucking denial. The violence that is directed towards women is directly correlated with socioeconomics and stupid fucking Judeo-Christian values. Now I know correlation is not causation. But shit, it's got a relationship.. Now just because people do these things and there is a bad economy doesn't justify their actions but I am wise enough to know that I am a product of my environment. Look at all of these familicides that happen in our country yet we got these dumbass oinker shit rags making $200,000 plus a year and they are forming deputy gangs emboldened to the point where they're chasing ink with their gang tattoos. The Catholic Church and the police are very similar in that they just shuffle around these reprobates. I don't leave the house much only for what I need to do, the basic necessities of life. But when I do, I usually take a drive on a Sunday where all those that want to ignore our problems are in their homes sheltered buying shit on Amazon and I drive around and I look at all the people that are pushing shopping carts. Not like animals in the zoo, I'm just trying to see the temperature and where we're at. It's not looking good. Sometimes in life there are no easy answers. We live in the paradox, a open air prison, where we don't understand what's going on in the black box. If we could get inside that black box, we could turn the dials like the Wizard of Oz, and all these stupid social fucking ills would just automatically just disappear, at least at the rate that they are now. The German population hated themselves and that's why they invented the undesirables. Now you as a civilization have an option. You either start having respect for yourself or you're going to create a system that executes the undesirables while failing to realize that one day you might be an undesirable. Now it's kind of like a slow even burn, but pretty soon this system is going to open up the komono, come on out and start swinging dick. Are you ready to send your children to die for a billionaire's cock? Are you ready to be conscripted? because it's gonna happen and they're gonna start dropping nukes. You're also going to see false flag events happening in your own country, but yet you think I'm a tin foil hat man and I think you're an idiot that doesn't understand history. There is no fucking war but the class war. The left and right paradigm is a byproduct of kicking the can. And the paradoxes that we live in are really fake. So when your grandpappy got some old man knowledge. Just remember, his brain doesn't work like it used to. https://www.theviolenceproject.org/
Use and support open source where ever possible
Actually supporting open source looks a lot like a subscription service. I donate monthly to a handful of projects that I use regularly.
Looking at you, Adobe. Creative cloud has sucked so much from me, but I need it for work.
I remember back in the day the year 2000 something I was willing to pay like fucking $400 for that shit, but I kept it forever. Now, I just question why I even bother with a with Photoshop. Wait a second, I don't. I'm a man. I use gimp. Most of the features they offer are fucking stupid. Art and design is subtle and it is made for humans by Humans. I think these fucking ad agencies are gonna have to learn the hard way. Not that the herd is going to all of a sudden be a bunch of badass punk rockers, but people are just not going to be susceptible to it anymore. And then where do they go? I look at advertising nowadays and it's just so gross and unappealing. And like, I have a hair trigger. Like, everything I am experiencing, I know is somehow a fucking lie. I move slower nowadays with my purchases and usually some form of verification like a human being is needed for me to buy. And just a side note, I use to think people that were suck asses and just, you know, tooted the horn of corporate America acted like robots. And I think it's kind of funny that they're being replaced with robots. like you're a tool and now you're being replaced by a tool. The whole model really is just lower the bar and shoehorn in nonsense. lowest common denominator thinking and when they corner the market who else are you gonna go to or just give up on it entirely and say fuck it ...I hate suck asses. They're nothing but a bunch of goddamn phonies.
No subscriptions, thank you. I straight away turn down even free trial periods even if they are offered as a compensation for a CS ticket.
And when Strava automatically set a bunch of users to Premium for a while, hence showing a "paid user" icon for those users (nice marketing trick though), I removed my account.
No.Subsciptions.
Ironically this made me donate to the lemmy instance my account is on. For the cost of just 3 bags of coffee a year I raised the monthly donations by 1%. Feels good man.
3 bags of coffee is highly variable
For me it's $49 AUD x 3 = $147 AUD from my local coffee bean roaster and that $49 is for a 1kg bag
I was thinking more like $30 AUD, or 130 DKK a bag in my case, which is pretty much just supermarket coffee. I used it as a reference because I feel like coffee has become too expensive lately. You're right though, that if I bought the good stuff from a real bean roaster it'd be more the prices you listed.
You will own nothing, and be happy about it. Welcome to capitalism.
Protest with your wallet. Open source and self hosted communities living real chill right now.
This is the answer. If you pay for software you have only yourself to blame. I pay for email because I don't feel like dealing with it. Everything else is open source and/or selfhosted.
You will own nothing, eat grubs, and be thankful...
~ the oligarchs
As much as I loathe capitalism, I will be happy about the grubs, ribbit ribbit.
Eat ze bugs
I myself also hate to pay for subscriptions and heavily favor to buy something only one time. But I also understand why something like software is sold as a subscription. If you take "normal", physical products like smartphones, cars or literally almost anything else, it is accepted that you have to buy a new one every few years (the time span obviously varies from product to product) and that repairs will also cost money, at least after the guarantee ends. But software is expected and required to be maintained, thus costing the developer money even after you bought it. Online features also lead to sever costs. Because of that, a subscription can be compared to paying for car repairs and maintenance. I think it would be fair if you bought a version of a product for a fixed price, which you could use indefinitely and then to take a small price to upgrade to newer versions.
I mean that's exactly how it used to work. You'd buy Office 2004, you could use it forever. When the new one released you could choose to upgrade if you wanted.
Same with Adobe stuff and everything really
I miss this option. I always used to make my software last for years, before opting to upgrade because of some new features.
I just hate it for stuff I am going to use sporadically. Like iracing. In summer I'll use it like once a month. In winter maybe like 4 times a week. But the price doesn't change. I could not use it for 3 months and then I wasted that money. I don't like that. Also, you never own anything then, which is what they want.
Please subscribe to my body so I don't die.
Boomer? Thats just a HUMAN complaint!
FOSS users pay zero times.
Though hopefully contribute in other ways, like code improvements (not necessarily to every project:-).
Hello its HP...we have an all new printer subscription model we would like to sell you. Give us money monthly. Or better, give us money every time you use the printer!
The way it works is you pay for the printer, take it home, install the software and connect it unnecessarily to the internet where a hacker can easily hack your pii. Then we monitor your ink levels and printing count. If you use it, we charge you per page. If you're running out of ink, we'll charge you monthly and send you a new bottle. We'll monitor the room temperature and sell that information to the power company. We'll monitor for loud notices and send that to ICE and to shoe making companies so they can either deport you or sell you new shoes. Aren't printers awesome?
Also if you stop paying, your fully functional printer will refuse to print. If you loose connection to the Internet, it will refuse to print.
HP products are forbidden in my house.
HP are also sending me reams of paper I don't need. I need a printer but I don't want to basically host someone else's printer and pay rent on it.
Ehhh sir...you can't scan without magenta! Comeback when you buy magenta!
I kept saying these subscriptions were scams and businesses just wanted a lifeline to our wallets.
Nobody wanted to listen because "they're a business and they need to make money."
Prices suck because of useful idiots.
Finding economic rents is the core of capitalism. It's so iconic even Adam Smith railed against it
There was a map app I liked better than Google Maps because you could download any map you wanted for route planning and if you wanted traffic info etc, you had to buy the app for those features. But if you had to go places without cell connectivity. you would still be able to find your way.
Anyways, I liked it so much I payed 25 bucks to buy the app. Purchasing it gave me access to everything the app could do. Then Literally 6 months later, they were bought out by another company and rebranded and didn't honor people who bought the app. Instead I would have to pay a monthly fee to use it..
I got rid of it and will never buy another app again.
I wouldn't mind renting software, if only subscription-based software was such that you only paid the money for the subscription. It would be a fine way of using something for a short term, and a fine way to get some sort of guarantee that the software is maintained.
But you'll also end up paying with your data that they sell out.
Maybe for the short term, but there is software you use every day, for years. Some android apps I have been using since 2014.
Reverse question: would you maintain a program that you wrote 11 years ago if it wasn't making you money?
I do that, so I can say “yes” with conviction.
Open source, I assume? Extremely laudable and I hope you don't have to make big financial compromises for that.
Yes, and I feel pretty privileged that I can make a living with stuff like that instead of making money for some heartless corporation that doesn't ultimately care about anything except for money.
No, but I also don't expect that as a user. It is also fine if the developer makes version 2.0 and I can decide to buy the new version or not. Before the internet this was pretty much how it worked, a new version came on a new floppy or disc you'd buy in a store.
Then again, application software wasn't cheap. Given inflation, would you pay a thousand bucks for a lifetime license of a piece of software that didn't get any updates ever?
I was too young to really buy software but the most expensive game I bought as a kid was 40 guilders. If use and inflation correction calculator and convert to euros that game in 1995 would be 36 euros in todays money, about 40 dollars. This was a gameboy game.
A pc game back then was between 50 and 60 dollars (converted with inflation).
But this was all in a physical store, where you would get an actual box, book, cartridge or disc, etc.
The only excuse for subscription model is when there is cloud storage/sync or server provided functions that are a core part of the software.
If I didn't rely heavily on the cloud storage and syncing part of Lightroom for editing photos seamlessly on desktop, mobile, and web, then I would already have dropped Adobe for Darktable and a pirated copy of Photoshop CS2 for when I need to print.
I'm glad to see you mention that, I was going to make a similar comment. I figure it's a message that's probably well understood here on the fediverse, but outside of this space not so much.
I think there's also an argument to be made for charging subscriptions based on overall maintenance needs. Upgrades, updates, bug fixes, and things of that nature take time and can also cost money.
However, overall, there are way too many subscription based apps that just don't seem justified. If I buy version 2.3 of AppXYZ, and as long as I stick to that version nor need any online functionality, I just don't see a valid excuse for a subscription, other than pure greed on the developers' part.
they just need to outlaw subscription based services on services that don't need it.
And no continuous support is not a valid subscription reason, if you want to charge support separate that's fair to do but this pay 60$ a year "because it's a continuous development" needs to go away.
Same with the "pay a rent for a building", it's just money drain. Being a landlord should not be allowed to be for profit, and should be heavily regulated. If you wanna rent? Sure, but at max it should be equivalent to costs the building has, and restricted to only apartment complexes. So annoying that you can't find property anymore to actually /own/ because a handful of rental companies can just write a blank check and buy it all.
Can i pay extra to not have continuous updates that often breaks shit?
Picard would be ashamed.
Try Linux, I just recently installed fedora on dual boot
But be aware that it's not all hunky-dory because I'm still figuring out how to get nvidia drivers working after trying solutions I found online and I'm still trying to figure out how to get hdr working in gnome and there's also the fact that kde plasma keeps freezing after a short time so I'm stuck on gnome
Installation was fine though, I was scared I was going to fuck something up with dual boot
I liked the look of KDE plasma and used it when I first started with Linux but it is a buggy mess and extremely bloated. It feels like it's stuck trying to be Windows 7 aero.
As for NV I use Nvidia as well and I haven't had any issues on CachyOS with Nvidia's actual "open" drivers (not neuveau)
Give bazzite a go, it's Fedora atomic but has NVIDIA and game features baked into the image.
Life's too short to try and manage NVIDIA drivers on linux
Yarrr!
B2B SaaS
Why i wont use iRacing. Sucks that it's so popular.
SANE & MATURE ≠ "Boomer"
Revanced to overcome some subscriptions.
When you have a world of billionaires, everybody's reaching out their hands, begging, and shaking ass. This is called the Gambler's Economy. Where weak men rule over those that work and produce value.
The first is that when I do dishes at home, I put certain things a very specific way when filling the dishwasher and putting things away, which is why I absolutely hate when other people do dishes. I'll deal with other people doing the dishes, but then I always feel like I gotta go and put things back where they belong when I'm not the one to put the dishes away.
The second is more furry fandom specific. So, when it comes to fursuits, some people might ditch the fursuit head and just maybe wear the paws or other pieces of it if it's not a single piece costume. My gripe is specifically that: not wearing the head. I don't care if you poodle ( wear a partial and show some skin ), talk in suit, or whatever, but I think it's extremely disrespectful to the character your suit is based off of, whether it's your fursona, OC, an adopt, liberty suit, whatever, to not wear the head at a bare minimum. It's why my opinion the bare minimum you should do for a fursuit commission should be the head.
Did you have a stroke while writing this?
I want to buy something and it will come with a certain amount of updates. It will be one fixed price and keep working after that certain period of updates.
The same people complaining about software subscriptions also complained that shrink wrapped software was too expensive and didn’t get free updates for life.