You're right, thanks for adding context. I'm immediately suspicious when a picture is posted with no accompanying news article, and my search wasn't turning up any articles, only social media links.
Article is about selling nuclear powered subs. Canada doesn't need these boondoggles for defense against US, because the mission capability is being months at sea.
I dunno .. Dutton seems smarter, but more evil. Morrison just seems like a brainwashed idiot who's failed upwards. I don't know how anyone looks at the screaming void of evil that is Dutton and thinks "yeah that thing has my best interests at heart .. or a heart"
I'm still not entirely sure how Australia seemingly wound up with a modified Westminster system that was worse than the original, genuinely pretty impressive.
The only reason it's worse is because we have a strong Murdoch media bias, so the general public are pretty ill-informed. With everyone being fed bullshit so often it's easy to get them to vote against their best interests.
Only in the Senate. And only on a per-state basis, so it's only as proportional as "a proportion of 6" can be...which is much less proportional than a proportion of 40, like if the Senate were done nationally.
They don't need attack subs. They need boomer subs. At this point, Canada needs a nuclear deterrent. And I say that as an American who would be in the cross hairs of said nuclear deterrent. Canada should contract with the French for protection under their umbrella until they can build some of their own. The lesson of Ukraine should be that nukes protect small nations from fascist larger ones. Canada could easily end up like Ukraine. It's not like fascists can't find a casus belli. Putin was "restoring Russian glory" or some such. Trump would be "finishing the American Revolution" or some other bullshit.
Please, Canada, from a friend of yours to the south, do not take this threat lightly. No one is going to be able to save you if the US decides to invade. The same oceans that protect you will prevent your rescue. The only hope Canada will ever have of being able to militarily protect its borders from the US is a credible nuclear deterrent.
Just please, don't harden your hearts while you build these weapons of destruction. Don't close your doors to refugees from the US. As someone who is on the regime's enemies list, hopping across the Canadian border and begging for asylum is the last chance I might have if things really go bad.
Instead of putting all eggs in France basket, Canada should also approach North Korea, China, and Russia for detente and nuclear deterrence. Flirting with North Korea is best path to get SK and Japan to commit to our auto industry, and decouple from their own US extortion. Taking bids for Russia to take over NORAD sites is more constructive than continuing military cooperation, and shamefully subservient to US defense pacts with Philippines. If Russia is no longer the enemy the US forces us to make, then we are protecting the US from Russia, and they need to pay for that privilege.
US and foreign auto industry must be forced to choose Canada over US. US manufacturing destroyed through export tariffs on materials and energy, and proceeds used to subsidize Canadian manufacturing. Manufacturing/MSFT in Washington and Michigan states must recommend secession and joining Canada, and be covered by our nuclear shields.
IIRC only 2 out of the 9 french subs in service exclusively carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles (Rubis class). I'm sure the 3 Suffren class with no second strike capabilities could still deliver some sort of short ranged tac nuke. So there are high chances that this is a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
I mean, they're not mutually exclusive. Nobody was about to start openly threatening the Americans, but having French forces around and mulling over defence deals with France sends a signal.
We don't know what Macron and Trudeau talked about, but accelerating things like this in light of the new reality could well have been part of it.
to demonstrate (politely) how quickly and quietly they can appear when we need them to. without endangering anyone or raising alarms that allow trump and co to rattle their sabers
Hijacking the top comment to let people know this isn't in response to any American threats, this is Naval Group, a French naval defense company, showing off their submarine because Canada is looking to spend 60 billion on twelve submarines. The plans for this purchase were publicly announced on July 10, 2024.
Ah shit, that's the same company Australia had a deal with to buy diesel subs, before our fuckwit former PM reneged on the deal to create AUKUS and buy American nuclear subs.
I'm pretty sure that's a Suffren class, and there's both diesel and nuclear powered versions. Dunno how I'd tell from the outside, and don't think the caption is necessarily all that trustworthy.
Ah, that makes sense. It's like when the car dealer shows you the version of the car you want with slightly different features since the one you want isn't on the lot yet.
I don't know if that's a mistake. It might not be a nuclear sub, just a sub which has nuclear weapons capabilities ( though obviously not this particular sub because it's still in the hands of a defence contractor ( I hope ) ).
I think it's because many nations with subs have nuclear-powered vs diesel-powered. Diesel doesn't have the vast capabilities to stay underwater for months like nuclear does.
Briefly the us was the good guys when we killed a bunch of slavers and then when we killed a bunch of fascists. Those were exceptions to the rule though.
Pretty much all Western countries looked up to the US between 1945 and 2016 (or so).
Presumably, you're the kind of person who thinks we've all been the bad guys the whole time, though. And TBF shit things were done, it's just that everyone else has been even more shit.
As a Westerner not from America (like most of the users in this community), yes, I am sure about that. I didn't say it was a relationship without conflict, but they helped defeat the Nazis, lead the charge in the Cold War and then were the fulcrum of the new trade-focused world order in the so-called "end of history" period that followed. We all watched American movies the whole time and it's not because anyone was forcing us.
They only joined WW2 when the Nazis where pretty much defeated by the rest of the allies and success was guaranteed. Only to invent themselves as the sole winner of the war.
During the Cold war they fought hot proxy wars all over the place without any interest in casualties as long as they didn't look weak for the soviets. Even after the Cold war western countries were only lucky that the US didn't invade them for oil or other interests. They brought "freedom" to so many countries by now it became a fucking meme.
Sure I'm seeing things a bit narrow and I might be biased but the US is and was a shithole that fucked up everyone around them as long as I can think of. The only reason they could do it is because they would crush you if you tried stopping them or it was useful to you because you weren't the current victim.
As you put it so nicely, the convenient bully.
Few felt intimidated by them or even that they were morally bad in the West, though, which is what "convenient bully" conveys. Their military (mis)adventures targeted small, distant countries and usually came with a nice story that made it seem acceptable. They didn't go comletely alone into any of them, but then again lots of nations sat out Vietnam and Iraq II without consequence.
They only joined WW2 when the Nazis where pretty much defeated by the rest of the allies and success was guaranteed. Only to invent themselves as the sole winner of the war.
Well, actually they started by flooding the USSR with free lend-lease stuff. The Soviet frontline that actually did the heavy lifting was quite typically supplied with Ford trucks.
To be accurate, this is a nuclear propelled attack submarine. It does not carry nuclear warheads and is not what we normally call a "nuclear deterrent".
My current job is to operate electronic sensors on board of an aircraft. I used to work with anti-submarine helicopters. The kind of helicopters that usually operate from a military ship. Now I've been moved to work on a search and rescue aircraft. It's a nice change to be looking for people who actually want to be found.
It does not but can carry nuke tipped missiles and even though we have the screw signatures of our allies…this is still a message that the rest of the world except Moscow is looking down on us in disappointment
Current timeline feels like one alternative Red Alert timeline, where alongside of Hitler, Stalin also got erased from history, and now Russia and the US have turned fascistic.
Important note: The "Nuclear" in "Nuclear attack submarine" means that it is powered by a nuclear reactor. It does not refer to its armament. An "attack" submarine means it is designed to attack ships and other submarines and these are typically not capable of carrying and launching ICBMs. Nuclear-armed deterrent submarines are called Ballistic Missile Submarines.
Here's a French article about it. It's not a show of force, it's a naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of being granted a 60 billion dollar contract for 12 submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.
During a period with seemingly very little good news in the world, I really needed this. Assuming it was done for the optics it conveys, it's some much needed reassurance that our allies actually have our back. Granted, we're still absolutely fucked in the short term if the worst happens, it's still nice to see.
Despite the clear evidence pointing to the image being old, the photograph is still circulating on social media platforms and has been featured in Google searches related to the supposed annexation threat. This highlights how misinformation can easily spread online, especially when fueled by sensational claims and misleading images.
An article using random reddit comments as a source should be outright ignored, IMO.
Especially when said reddit comment has since been edited and no longer reflects what's written in the article. If you bother to follow the reddit link in the article, you'll find someone has replied with an actual source (from France) that shows that the photos are legit, however the title of this post (and the original posts on reddit) are misleading.
This isn't in reaction to American threats, it's a French naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of obtaining a 60 billion dollar contract for twelve submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.
What the fuck would Canada, a non nuclear weapons country, want a nuclear sub for? Diesel battery subs are inherently stealthier because you can't turn a nuclear reactor off to go quiet and they don't need to stay submerged forever to hide where ballistic missiles are and they're not going to be power projecting to keep Iceland from sending another landing party with Erikson. It's not like Canada doesn't have an abundance of ports for refueling or a military vulnerability to oil embargos. It's not even compatible with their primary method of nuclear fuel since it requires nearly weapons grade refined uranium and the whole point of CANDU heavy water reactors is to not refine.
It's a French sub though so it probably only fires gag missiles that just have a white flag on a stick at the tip.
Jokes aside can you smoke on a sub? Cause I know a lot of the French still habitually smoke cigarettes and I imagine that would do a number on the oxygen system. Let alone the dangers of possibly setting fires in a pressurized container deep underwater.
This isn’t a show of force, it’s a demonstration for Canada who is planning to buy a number of these submarines from France.
You're right, thanks for adding context. I'm immediately suspicious when a picture is posted with no accompanying news article, and my search wasn't turning up any articles, only social media links.
Here's a French article about it.
Article is about selling nuclear powered subs. Canada doesn't need these boondoggles for defense against US, because the mission capability is being months at sea.
Regardless, it's presence makes a statement that Canada is not alone.
Though I'd be cool if it was stationed at Miquelon for a few months.
Australia watching on with regret.
Morrison is such a dickhead.
I dunno .. Dutton seems smarter, but more evil. Morrison just seems like a brainwashed idiot who's failed upwards. I don't know how anyone looks at the screaming void of evil that is Dutton and thinks "yeah that thing has my best interests at heart .. or a heart"
I'm still not entirely sure how Australia seemingly wound up with a modified Westminster system that was worse than the original, genuinely pretty impressive.
The only reason it's worse is because we have a strong Murdoch media bias, so the general public are pretty ill-informed. With everyone being fed bullshit so often it's easy to get them to vote against their best interests.
Arguably at least we have proportional representation. FPTP sucks.
Only in the Senate. And only on a per-state basis, so it's only as proportional as "a proportion of 6" can be...which is much less proportional than a proportion of 40, like if the Senate were done nationally.
We knew that BEFORE the election and yet elected the LNP anyway, fuck voters.
Could be worse, you could be a murican ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
right?! gawwwwwwd we’re so fucking captured
They don't need attack subs. They need boomer subs. At this point, Canada needs a nuclear deterrent. And I say that as an American who would be in the cross hairs of said nuclear deterrent. Canada should contract with the French for protection under their umbrella until they can build some of their own. The lesson of Ukraine should be that nukes protect small nations from fascist larger ones. Canada could easily end up like Ukraine. It's not like fascists can't find a casus belli. Putin was "restoring Russian glory" or some such. Trump would be "finishing the American Revolution" or some other bullshit.
Please, Canada, from a friend of yours to the south, do not take this threat lightly. No one is going to be able to save you if the US decides to invade. The same oceans that protect you will prevent your rescue. The only hope Canada will ever have of being able to militarily protect its borders from the US is a credible nuclear deterrent.
Just please, don't harden your hearts while you build these weapons of destruction. Don't close your doors to refugees from the US. As someone who is on the regime's enemies list, hopping across the Canadian border and begging for asylum is the last chance I might have if things really go bad.
Instead of putting all eggs in France basket, Canada should also approach North Korea, China, and Russia for detente and nuclear deterrence. Flirting with North Korea is best path to get SK and Japan to commit to our auto industry, and decouple from their own US extortion. Taking bids for Russia to take over NORAD sites is more constructive than continuing military cooperation, and shamefully subservient to US defense pacts with Philippines. If Russia is no longer the enemy the US forces us to make, then we are protecting the US from Russia, and they need to pay for that privilege.
US and foreign auto industry must be forced to choose Canada over US. US manufacturing destroyed through export tariffs on materials and energy, and proceeds used to subsidize Canadian manufacturing. Manufacturing/MSFT in Washington and Michigan states must recommend secession and joining Canada, and be covered by our nuclear shields.
Yes, this old news is about a nuclear-powered attack submarine, not necessarily a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
IIRC only 2 out of the 9 french subs in service exclusively carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles (Rubis class). I'm sure the 3 Suffren class with no second strike capabilities could still deliver some sort of short ranged tac nuke. So there are high chances that this is a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
France hasn't had tactical nukes for some time now
I mean, they're not mutually exclusive. Nobody was about to start openly threatening the Americans, but having French forces around and mulling over defence deals with France sends a signal.
We don't know what Macron and Trudeau talked about, but accelerating things like this in light of the new reality could well have been part of it.
Lamp Oil, Rope, Nuclear Subs? You want it? It's yours, my friend. As looong as you have enough Euros.
Khajit has wares, if you have coin.
Also a great and well deserved middle finger to Australia
What's the point of these submarines if there aren't nukes on them?
There's a dismantled trebuchet on board.
to demonstrate (politely) how quickly and quietly they can appear when we need them to. without endangering anyone or raising alarms that allow trump and co to rattle their sabers
i like it, we should be like - "maybe we have nukes, maybe we dont. you wont know until its too late"
To shoot at the ones with nukes on them?
Nuclear submarines are powered-by nuclear power, they aren't necessarily platforms for nuclear weapons.
I guess they could use them as a regular strategic missile platform.
Fake
France manages to get a sub to us before the UK even deigns to comment. That says it all. Merci beacoup!
Look here sonny Jim, Daddy's always watching, Mummy might show up first for a bit of comfort and that, but Daddy'll be here when you need him.
Well done on falling for the propaganda
Propaganda to do better for our country is needed at this point. Trade wars are a'comin, best to have a large movement to weather the storm.
And unfortunately might only be a few winners, https://youtu.be/oYUI4hu950w
You are an idiot. The sub was scheduled for a visit,months in the making. There was no show of 'force'. Maybe take your feet out of your mouth.
😘
It's also an account that has that one single comment.
Bonjour!
Hijacking the top comment to let people know this isn't in response to any American threats, this is Naval Group, a French naval defense company, showing off their submarine because Canada is looking to spend 60 billion on twelve submarines. The plans for this purchase were publicly announced on July 10, 2024.
Here's a French news article about the submarine, seeing as I couldn't seem to find any sources in English.
I'll take both reasons as canon, thank you very much
FTFY
without cannons, how will they fight?!?
Ah shit, that's the same company Australia had a deal with to buy diesel subs, before our fuckwit former PM reneged on the deal to create AUKUS and buy American nuclear subs.
Weird that they specify "conventionally powered" in the Canadian article since this is a nuclear powered sub.
I'm pretty sure that's a Suffren class, and there's both diesel and nuclear powered versions. Dunno how I'd tell from the outside, and don't think the caption is necessarily all that trustworthy.
Ah, that makes sense. It's like when the car dealer shows you the version of the car you want with slightly different features since the one you want isn't on the lot yet.
I don't know if that's a mistake. It might not be a nuclear sub, just a sub which has nuclear weapons capabilities ( though obviously not this particular sub because it's still in the hands of a defence contractor ( I hope ) ).
That's an attack sub (for attacking ships/other boats), not a boomer (which have nukes).
I think it's because many nations with subs have nuclear-powered vs diesel-powered. Diesel doesn't have the vast capabilities to stay underwater for months like nuclear does.
Hijacking your commet to add this
I don't know much about this stuff, but I have been listening to a ton of podcasts about the war, geopoliticks etc.
From what I learned, France and the UK have nukes, but not the type you can launch from a submarine. (Unfortunately)
They do though.
I had real good tingle feels imagining France showing up on our coast during this part of history.
A real “we got you bro” moment in my imagination.
Le sad.
JT was just in France as one of his last acts as PM. Mere days later this bad boy shows up in a Halifax harbour. 🤔🤔🤔 Merci a la belle France 🇫🇷🤝🇨🇦
Vive la France!
Jemepelle
Could have imagined this happening as little as 3 years ago.
An ally sending a nuclear deterrent into our waters as a message/warning to the US. This normally happens to countries like Iran or North Korea
Hey. Guess what? At the moment, we're the bad guys...
At the moment? When was there ever a time the US weren't the bad guys?
Briefly the us was the good guys when we killed a bunch of slavers and then when we killed a bunch of fascists. Those were exceptions to the rule though.
They also killed the Nazis, except for the ones that were useful, of course.
They were clearly talking about the Union during the Civil War...
What's the relevance of the founding fathers, then?
I kinda root for them in the war of independence
Pretty much all Western countries looked up to the US between 1945 and 2016 (or so).
Presumably, you're the kind of person who thinks we've all been the bad guys the whole time, though. And TBF shit things were done, it's just that everyone else has been even more shit.
Are you sure about that? Pretty much all Western countries see America as a convenient bully.
As a Westerner not from America (like most of the users in this community), yes, I am sure about that. I didn't say it was a relationship without conflict, but they helped defeat the Nazis, lead the charge in the Cold War and then were the fulcrum of the new trade-focused world order in the so-called "end of history" period that followed. We all watched American movies the whole time and it's not because anyone was forcing us.
They only joined WW2 when the Nazis where pretty much defeated by the rest of the allies and success was guaranteed. Only to invent themselves as the sole winner of the war. During the Cold war they fought hot proxy wars all over the place without any interest in casualties as long as they didn't look weak for the soviets. Even after the Cold war western countries were only lucky that the US didn't invade them for oil or other interests. They brought "freedom" to so many countries by now it became a fucking meme. Sure I'm seeing things a bit narrow and I might be biased but the US is and was a shithole that fucked up everyone around them as long as I can think of. The only reason they could do it is because they would crush you if you tried stopping them or it was useful to you because you weren't the current victim. As you put it so nicely, the convenient bully.
Few felt intimidated by them or even that they were morally bad in the West, though, which is what "convenient bully" conveys. Their military (mis)adventures targeted small, distant countries and usually came with a nice story that made it seem acceptable. They didn't go comletely alone into any of them, but then again lots of nations sat out Vietnam and Iraq II without consequence.
Well, actually they started by flooding the USSR with free lend-lease stuff. The Soviet frontline that actually did the heavy lifting was quite typically supplied with Ford trucks.
Yup
To be accurate, this is a nuclear propelled attack submarine. It does not carry nuclear warheads and is not what we normally call a "nuclear deterrent".
I believe you, but do you have a source? That's a pretty big distinction when *they're calling it a "nuclear attack submarine"!
EDIT: Clarification
I used to look for submarines for a living. But you don't have to believe me:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_missile_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffren-class_submarine
Thanks for the info. I'm curious if you have more details on what that job was (if you're able to share)! Why did you move on from it?
My current job is to operate electronic sensors on board of an aircraft. I used to work with anti-submarine helicopters. The kind of helicopters that usually operate from a military ship. Now I've been moved to work on a search and rescue aircraft. It's a nice change to be looking for people who actually want to be found.
That's cool...
What would be an example of a submarine that isn't an Attack submarine, only surveillance?
It does not but can carry nuke tipped missiles and even though we have the screw signatures of our allies…this is still a message that the rest of the world except Moscow is looking down on us in disappointment
Still hasn’t happened. This was a sales pitch for a Canadian defence contract.
Never have I been more pleased to see a foreign navies nuclear attack sub in my nations waters.
(odd times)
Would a french submarine wear its hat like this:
or like this:
Asking the real questions
The top one looks like he got hit on the head.
The conning tower is clearly it's head, though. The real answer must be on the hull behind it.
This deserves its own post in ![email protected].
You should cross post this to non credible defense. They'd love it.
US citizen here. I have become such a huge fan of France.
Same. Also once you know and understand France’s history and military…. You just don’t fuck with them.
Let's go! France is here to protect Canada!
Na, they’re just finishing the 7years war-round 2
Idk about that. Other commenters have better explanations that aren't sensational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM
perchance, banana for scale?
It's a football field, Micheal. How big could it be, a banana?
It's there, but hard to see.
Whollottabanana!
The previously-mentioned French article says it's a Barracuda, but I don't know if that's a model or a class.
Canadian football fields are 100m, so just the right size for us!
CFL fields are 110 yards, which is about 100m. Close enough I guess :)
Current timeline feels like one alternative Red Alert timeline, where alongside of Hitler, Stalin also got erased from history, and now Russia and the US have turned fascistic.
Red Alert has predicted the future, the presedency of the US is controlled by a russian
And Putin didn't even need Yuri to do it
Important note: The "Nuclear" in "Nuclear attack submarine" means that it is powered by a nuclear reactor. It does not refer to its armament. An "attack" submarine means it is designed to attack ships and other submarines and these are typically not capable of carrying and launching ICBMs. Nuclear-armed deterrent submarines are called Ballistic Missile Submarines.
Don't forget all the cruise missiles - it's not just for attacking things at sea.
“Bring it” - France probably
But I'm le tired...
Finally. Letting the French keep a little bit of Canada pays off.
Pointing "am I a joke to you?"
Don’t tease me!
NOBODY backs an American Revolution like the French!
🇫🇷🦅🎆
Fake
Fuck yeah.
Well this year is going just smoothly.
Better get that bug-out bag ready. Remember iodine tablets.
Source?
Here's a French article about it. It's not a show of force, it's a naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of being granted a 60 billion dollar contract for 12 submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.
France
I'm going to guess a shipyard
Fuck yes, France.
I mean if Canada/France/the World want to get rid of him, I'm not gonna bat an eye? Just saying.
During a period with seemingly very little good news in the world, I really needed this. Assuming it was done for the optics it conveys, it's some much needed reassurance that our allies actually have our back. Granted, we're still absolutely fucked in the short term if the worst happens, it's still nice to see.
O hai!
Fake
https://holrmagazine.com/french-submarine-halifax-photo-real-or-fake-explained/
An article using random reddit comments as a source should be outright ignored, IMO.
Especially when said reddit comment has since been edited and no longer reflects what's written in the article. If you bother to follow the reddit link in the article, you'll find someone has replied with an actual source (from France) that shows that the photos are legit, however the title of this post (and the original posts on reddit) are misleading.
This isn't in reaction to American threats, it's a French naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of obtaining a 60 billion dollar contract for twelve submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.
What the fuck would Canada, a non nuclear weapons country, want a nuclear sub for? Diesel battery subs are inherently stealthier because you can't turn a nuclear reactor off to go quiet and they don't need to stay submerged forever to hide where ballistic missiles are and they're not going to be power projecting to keep Iceland from sending another landing party with Erikson. It's not like Canada doesn't have an abundance of ports for refueling or a military vulnerability to oil embargos. It's not even compatible with their primary method of nuclear fuel since it requires nearly weapons grade refined uranium and the whole point of CANDU heavy water reactors is to not refine.
Exactly. OP is super fake.
Time for Germany to upgrade and build more submarines.
France coming to save America once again!
It's a French sub though so it probably only fires gag missiles that just have a white flag on a stick at the tip.
Jokes aside can you smoke on a sub? Cause I know a lot of the French still habitually smoke cigarettes and I imagine that would do a number on the oxygen system. Let alone the dangers of possibly setting fires in a pressurized container deep underwater.
Painstaking!
Sure. Who do you want me to sterotype or make fun of?
Wild comment
Nobodys got a sense of humor anymore it seems.
What was supposed to be funny
It is funny if you don't have a France shaped stick stuck up your ass.
Evidently
In this day and age, who can afford one?
Me. I'm still able to laugh at things in current year. I wish more people would try it.