Joe Rogan Nods Along As Mel Gibson Claims His Friends Were Cured of Stage 4 Cancer By by ivermectin, fenbendazole (another animal dewormer), and methylene blue (a fabric dye)
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This is some of the best news I've heard all day.
🎵Help the people the thing that happened happened toooooo 🎤
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUxzaQrOAOA
I guess he'll get to blame the Jews for that one again.
Gibson hating Jew checking in for duty. You made my day.
A member of the Mazel Tov Cocktail Brigade reporting! Fuck Mel Gibson!
omfg I'm holding onto this one. Elderly mother going to love it. Ty!
A fellow Jewish friend of mine and I joked for years that it was going to be our punk band name.
I grew up in 90s scene in Manhattan and the exact kind of band have we'd bill with
Please tell me you've watched Don't Mess With The Zohan together?
I know there are fires there, but it sure is a coincidence his house burns down while Mel has a airtight alibi being on Rogan's show.
There were so many calls to "Let Mel come back," promising that his outbursts weren't a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don't believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn't done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can't come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
You realize you’re talking about 80 million people?
80million gullible dipshits can still qualify as a 'tribe'.
80 million people are Mel Gibson fans? How would anyone quantify that. I'm confused what this number refers to.
80 million fuckwads voted for trump
Nothing. I simply phrased it wrong.
Wait is your issue with the word fuck wads or that amount of people being described as a tribe?
Amount of people. Too big to be a “tribe”
What's the cutoff?
100 people.
I'm not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a "horse dewormer" when it's approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it's used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It's also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn't prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.
Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.
That's why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they're telling you to take horse dewormer, since that's the only way to get it. It's not out of a general 'disrespect' for ivermectin.
I'm pretty sure there were actually some doctors who were prescribing it
Yeah, and those (handful of) people were not taking horse dewormer.
Everyone else on ivermectin though...
Yes, and most were disciplined because they were describing medication that was not intended for nor effective at treating covid. Still, there were very, very few doctors who did so.
Presumably to avoid people from believing the opposite: that Ivermectin is a quack drug that doesn't do anything, which might lead them to reject the drug if prescribed for some parasite or other ailment that is treated by ivermectin.
And it worked wonders on COVID patients who actually had parasites in the "throw everything at the wall" period. Word got out some patients had improved because of it. It became a whole thing because doctors didn't got the same results with ivermectin in others trials, probably because their patients didn't have parasites, and ruled it out as the COVID cure. Arm chair viral experts refused to believe it and made it a conspiracy, and from there on became a cornerstone of anti vax and right wing politics. Of course right wing commentators now make it the cure for cancer.
Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it's rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.
My boss and the secretary were squeezing it into their applesauce every day.
The secretary was the same person who complained the doctors caught her trying to sneak it into her mom's hospital room and was trying to squeeze some in her mouth while intubated and said she needed to get her mom out of there to got a real Jewish hospital that would let her do it and cure her mom.
Both sad and funny stupid.
My boss would end up packing his entire family and their stuff from their house that would fit into his F150 truck and flee Florida to Texas for "More Freedom™"
Nope. Just didn't like how Florida was handling COVID and the future of education for his kids if I remember correctly.
That’s what the blue is for
The fun fact about Methylene Blue that always is a hit with students is it also turns your pee a green/blue-green color.
in this corner, the challenger, using a B vitamin complex.
And our returning champion, Methylene Blue!
^^DING!!^^
yeah, but don't give it to someone on antidepressants, the mixture can lead to serotonine syndrome, which is a medical emergency
People are literally buying it from Tractor Supply when doctors won't prescribe it. That's why people say horse dewormer. It is literally horse dewormer they are taking.
Sure, but still a false equivalence and a strawman at best. The few people who bought horse dewormer to get ivermectin doesn't discredit those who "smartly" bought the correct human dose for ivermectin.
When most conversation is asynchronous, it usually turns out:
[Ivermectin Mentioned]
"That's horse dewormer."
[Person internally: No it's not, it's a real drug. Scrolls past your conversation thinking 'this person doesn't know what they're talking about']
Both people then go away having learned nothing.
I personally know/knew one of the main guys promoting Ivermectin in the news and on rogan. It was 100% a grift and he knew it. The point wasn't the medicine but subverting public health efforts. That is why it is derided as horse dewormer.
Same with ketamine, horse tranquilizer. Also a powerful fast acting anti depressent among a other very positive qualities
This should be the top comment. Most conspiracy bullshit always has some grain of truth, so when you dismiss it with factually wrong information you just solidify the conspiracy mindset, since you "don't get it".
The best way to fight conspiracy theories is to engage them head on and make them prove the claim. They'll try and miserably fail IE flat earth.
Yes it led to the first TB treatments or something didn't it? I completely can't remember, does it also have a link to the development of antidepressants? Somebody help me out, my undergraduate degree was a long time ago now.
Edit: oh yeah, it's a MAOI, you literally wrote that in your post.
It's because they buy the veterinary products as a way to circumvent existing reasonable limits for human use of ivermectin. It's implicitly against doctors' recommendations and prescriptions.
Alternatively, they're buying ego-boosting pills/pastes that feed the fantasy that they're special/chosen people who are in the know about "secrets hiding in plain sight" like a common antiparasitic drug having incredible curative properties.
Thank you for this. I hate all the caveating you have to do on the internet, but this taught me something I didn't know and now I'm slightly less of an idiot :)
Propaganda and conspiracy usually work better when they have a bit of truth to them.
It's like these people got trolled by 4chan and believed every single word they said.
Wait. Can we solve this by sending Joe and Mel a crystal growing guide?
Maybe convince them that they can get pure cat pee and mix that with bleach to create chloramine.
When inhaled, it can cure them of any respiratory illness. Permanently!
The government is hiding the fact that homemade bath salts and huffing spray paint kills most cancer patients.
I have some green food coloring in the pantry. Will that help with hemoroids?
I can confirm it will not. All it will do is leak a bit and then you spend years trying to figure out which specific spice has a bit of food coloring on the bottom because every now and then you find a green circle on the counter.
Who knows what big pharma hides from us, gotta try it now!!
Its like slightly worse than talking to marxists
How is it only slightly worse?
Well they're both insufferable but i think only one is brought on by lead exposure
At least his mansion burned down literally as he was saying that.
Sweet karma
Don't get too excited, there's insurance for houses
I just hope insurance is one of the many things he doesn't believe in
But it's a huge inconvenience to him at best anyways
https://youtu.be/rUxzaQrOAOA?si=reRstbpsi0fpMI7a
Exactly what I was thinking of. 🤣
That's his god fucking him up
I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.
Pushing an agenda usually has that effect
Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson's house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn't see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn't trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can't put my finger on it.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just... He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don't respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
I haven't in decades, but maybe I'd understand if I did nowadays.
I'm not talking about the characters he plays though. Just the way he carries himself and how he looks at women and shit. Like, it's just giving "brother, eww". Can't fully put my finger on it.
Was gonna say he wouldn't have to nod along if he didn't talk to the crazies, but then I remembered it's precisely what he's getting paid such absurd amounts to do.
Yeah, while I don't doubt Rogan would swallow it hook, line and sinker; just nodding along is what most people would do with someone that's a guest but batshit crazy.
I'd also say that JRE is entertaining, not education. I don't listen to it myself, never have and probably never will, but I can see why people do.
I listen to a true crime pod which incorporates actual audio from police/court hearings and it can be great fun to listen to someone absolutely unhinged try to explain why they're innocent.
I mean, it is entertaining watching a train wreck (in the slang form, not the literal).
Which podcast?
Rättegångspodden, it's all in Swedish though
I'd probably just not have a crazy old man as a guest, but hey ¯\(ツ)/¯
I know it's dangerous, but it's important to at least tell them people ignoring them aren't silently agreeing with their bullshit. So, if you think you can manage the risk, you should tell them.
He can later edit that part tho
?-? I just said that instead of showing himself nodding to the crazy man he could instead edit out that part.
Not sure where you get I'm "defending" anybody, when I'm saying that he had the option, the journalistic duty and every chance to not showing himself agreeing with Gibson's rants.
I suggest you a camomile, avoiding social networks for a day and a walk in a forest or similar natural environment.
Sure, they were cured of cancer... until one day suddenly dropped dead, for no reason at all
Death is the ultimate cure for cancer.
Ever head of dim mak, buddy?
Vaccines turned me into a newt!
I got better...
"The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" Mel Gibson guy?... he has been into conspiracy theories for a while
Joe Rogan is very much part of the misinformation media, he continuously gets guests talking crazy shit and he always nods along, yeah yeah, and people form some stupid reason just lap it up
Can we, for the love of fuck, put laws in placenthst require that as soon as a group of a certain size (say 50+) listens to you, that you are responsible for what you're saying and that you're required to ensure that your information is scientifically correct?
I'm sorry, but fuck free speech as so many people are raving about. Its the worst thing that has happened to the world since the Internet came on. All idiots now have a loud voice and the vast majority of humans apparently are very poorly equipped to weed out this bullshit.
No, your "pyramid curing cancer theory being blocked by big pharma" is NOT real, does NOT have a right to be heard, and is NOT a positive for humanity.
Yes, yes, we should be able to say what we want (within reason) but once you'd tart getting a following, that's it. No more, PLEASE. YOU HAVE YO START BEING TRUTHFUL AND FACTUAL. Why do we continue to allow people to lie their asses off to groups to manipulate others? Hell, even US presidents do this in insane amounts. Even Obama lied at least a little in like 25% of is statements? And he was a low outlier. Trump lies about 90% of the time at pants on fire levels and we're all fine with it. First amendment rules ftw!
Trump would never have been in power if we had something like this. Medical quackery would be gone as Dr Oz can no longer sell his snake oil bullshit. Churches would be gone, yikes... Imagine marketing if companies were required to be actually truthful about their products?
News organizations!
OMFG. So Fox news sues the US government to not be held to standards requiring them to be factual because first amendment.... So quite literally everything coming from them today is a lie. Its all bullshit. Why do we allow this and just laught at them? Why does nobody see the danger of just allowing news organizations to lie to the populace to divide the people, to get false ideas in their heads, to fill them with false hatred...
If Fox news and the likes would have been required to be truthful there would be no trump, the racial divide in the US would have been a whole lot less than it is today. And when I mean truthful I also mean the things they focus on, the insinuations, the pundits with their opinions.
Why why why, why do we allow any of this? What the fuck, world? The first amendment is not worth ending up in world was three because we MUST allow special interests to lie yo everyone, first amendment!
Start requiring that companies MUST be truthful. Presidents and governments MUST be truthful in claims to their citizens. Celebrity or someone with a following? You must be truthful in your claims.
We either start growing up as humanity or this will be our downfall. We are at the edge of the end of humanity as we have known it for centuries due to climate change (and have no doubt, it fucking will end everything we know today) but can't even have a basic discussion about how to stop or reverse this because special interests are allowed to use their news outlets to just scream that climate change is a hoax.
We just allow that. The theater is on fire and we can't even have a discussion on how to escape out because even though the flames are right there, the theater owner keeps screaming over everyone that all is okay, there is no fire, we don't have to escape.
Its gotten to the point where no meaningful discussion is possible anymore because we vant even agree about the basic facts in front of us anymore.
This has got to stop. The lies have to stop, we need basic facts.
how can anyone agree with free speech being the worst thing to happen in the world since the internet. seriously, how can anyone read that and agree?
the worst thing to happen in the world since the internet.....is free speech...... please read what you are saying BEFORE submitting a comment. good lord. if there was a lemmy worst of that single line should be pinned to the top
I'm assuming you didn't read or just pretend, but I'll assume you very much know what I mean.
Free speech and the Internet is a horrible combination as the Internet gives a bullhorn to extremists, liars, conspiracy theorists and cheaters. Basically a large group of sociopaths who are willing to do the work to manipulate people for their own benefit and theirs alone.
Add AI to the mix and it becomes an absolute nightmare.
I'm not talking about you disagreeing with the government, let that be protected. I'm talking about the need for at least a basis of facts from which we can have a reasoned argument.
How am I to have a discussion with you about how to solve climate change if you heard from Alex Jones, oan, Fox news, and a bunch of conspiracy theorists that climate change is a hoax and a plot to rape your children, and you actually believe this nonsense?
That is where we are at RIGHT NOW.
Misinformation should simply not be protected anymore, Bo matter who it's coming from. If you're a politician and you spew unscientific bullshit you should be warned, second time fired. If a company publishes a fake scientific research paper to discredit climate change and it turns out it's funded by oil companies? Throw all their CEO's in jail for a year.
You'd be surprised how fast truth becomes a thing
Tell me: right now, what source of information can I still trust at all? A president? HAH! Those are the worst. Obama lied like 25% of the time, was it? Trump must be in the 80-90% somewhere. Same goes for news organizations, same goes for political organizations, same goes for the vast majority of websites that kust publish clickbait bullshit to get you to click, same goes for...
It has to stop
Are they?
Are you okay with the current state of affairs where every idiot gets given a bullhorn to spew their nonsense, where lying is not an exception, it's not a sometimes, but it's actually the norm?
Go to a random website and chances are that it's full of clickbait bullshit lies. Get some product from any company, check information about it and it's almost guaranteed overstated and lies.
Where does it end?
Please let's do that. Half of Lemmy would go to jail and the other half straight to the death row
What I proposed is more for people with a following. I doubt there are huge followings on Lemmy, of all places
Stupid people love being stupid. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
Is it? The bullshit people usually are just pissed; all news they hear is horrible
I think the mistake isn't free speech but not having enough exceptions for fraudulent statements. For example, if you say anything false and damaging about a specific person, everyone agrees that's libel and not "free speech". But if you say something false and damaging about a group of people, like trans people or immigrants, that's "free speech" and perfectly legal. Or if you say something false and damaging about fake cures, etc.
It's actually a tough problem because we can't expect everyone to just be perfectly right all the time. But I think that for people like Rogan who have a wide platform, there should be some liability for lying about things that actually harm others. The fact that this is effectively legal is why psychopaths are dominating media narratives right now.
I don't care about individual expressing their opinions.
Once you have a following, you have a responsibility to speak the truth. We currently live in a world where fox news can spew incendiary lies 24/7 and noone bats an eye and if ever anyone says anything in court they simply claim to be entertaiment and that no reasonable person would take them seriously.
What. The. Fuck.
How is any of that possible, at all?
You should be able to question the politics and beliefs about any group though without being shutdown. Since there is no truly public forum online, similar to a physical town commons, you can be banned from privately run sites simply for questioning their dogma with no recourse.
Don't even need the internet, the printing press gave us Malleus Maleficarum which fed the whole witch hunting craze. Then we had the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fake book made by Imperial Russia to demonize Jews. People were just as vulnerable to bullshit back then when it meshed with their existing biases.
I think you listed several good points. I believe a government that actually cared about its populace would help to protect people from propaganda. The problem is that this would require a government that was actually just. That is not what we have in the US at least.
I always think about it simply because it helps weed out what is really going on. Listen, if go to your doctor and they purposely give you bad advice they could be on the hook for it. They have licensing boards, oaths, insurance, and legal regulation to prevent them from saying things like horse dewormer good.
Why is it when we have influencers, talking heads, and politicians who can do much much more harm than one doctor giving bad advice allowed to operate without oversight, licenses, regulations, and ignore their obligation to society?
Let's go back to simplifying this again. You would not tolerate someone in your personal life that lies and decieves you. Now think about people in authority. Would it be okay for your teacher, your coach, or your boss if they lied to you and manipulated you. They would lose their jobs if they did this and others find out.
We understand because of psychology and human nature that it is very easy to manipulate people and abuse them. That is why we hold the leaders close to us to high standards. Strangely though the more power people accumulate the less we seem to hold them to these standards when in fact we should even be stricter.
To be frank the reason we are not holding our most powerful people responsible is because they have been allowed to set the narrative. There is very little influence independent media has compared to mainstream media. If mainstream media creates an environment where it is just expected that politicians lie and are corrupt then everyone accepts it.
This is most definitely a conspiracy. Ever since propaganda became public relations we have seen those in power increasingly abuse their privileges. They have fine tuned the narrative to prevent themselves from being called out for the lies and damage they cause
They are using the best of psychology and other sciences to manipulate people. Drive their fear and hatred playing them like a marionette doll. We would never allow a partner to abuse us in this way but we allow someone who is way more powerful than a partner do this.
And make no mistakes these politicians are just like a partner because they are making intimate decisions about your personal life. They are invading our homes telling us what can and can't do reproductively. They are threatening people's livelihood. They are pitting Americans against each other for their own ends.
We need a new constitution that spells out that we will no longer be allowed to use the best of technology and science to manipulate people for selfish ends. We need rights to privacy, safety, and accountability. Until we grow up and stop allowing ourselves to be abused things will not improve.
The government must be designed to resist corruption not embrace it. Our current system is beyond broken with its winner take all two party nonsense. This binary choice is not a choice at all. You could never account for the diversity of thought and opinion with a choice between only two entities.
All of this is by design of course as the US was founded by the rich for the rich. I don't know about you, but this is unacceptable. We have a cancer destroying our society and mainstream media pretends it does not exist because they part of that cancer.
We have lost the proverbial battle so far in the 21st century, but that does not mean we can't demand change. The war for our future is not over yet. Don't let people fool you either. Change can and does happen and until we demand it we will continue down this path of lies and deception.
It is great you are thinking of what you can do. The first is to talk about it with others. You need to find people who are interested in making a change. While you can latch on to any number of solutions to tackle the problems we face it is best to come up with your own solutions with like minded people.
One thing people have been trying to do is implement ranked voting. Although we would still be stuck with our two-party system, ranked voting prevents the conundrum of losing your vote if you vote third party. This also prevents other parties from helping out spoiler candidates and using them to continue winning elections even though it is clear people want change.
There has been a bit of backlash against ranked voting with some representatives even passing amendments to prevent ranked voting at the state level. A common criticism of ranked voting is it is confusing for voters. The real reason ranked voting is discouraged though is it upsets the existing power dynamic and would allow more independent or third party candidates.
You can also get involved with local politics. I would highly suggest paying attention to city/county elections. You could run for office yourself or find someone you like to campaign for.
Don't be afraid to meet with your state or federal representatives either. I went down to the capitol and lobbied for gay marriage personally with my wife. We met with the news and talked with a lot of people on steps besides just the representatives. We ultimately passed this in our state before it happened on the federal level.
In my personal opinion, on the federal level, our biggest issue is privacy. It is time to write our Senate and Congress reps about this and tell everyone you know how important it is we have laws to protect us in this digital age.
Some of the other big issues that need to be tackled is unequal representation in Congress. For instance the county of LA has as much population as 40 US states but California does not get the reps they should in Congress.
We of course also need to get money completely out of politics. No one who is representing us should be allowed conflicts of interests. This means they should not be purchasing stocks or investing while they have privileged knowledge. They should not be running businesses and the revolving door between public office and private companies needs to be closed.
Money should not equal speech because if it does then those without money will not get equal representation. No more billion dollars campaigns and all political messaging should be tightly controlled. Candidates should only be able to sell their messages with their policies and should be held accountable to these policies.
I strongly feel politicians should be held to much higher standards. They should have a board, should pass tests, and should be licensed. All ethics should be codified into actual laws as we have seen relying on politicians to be honorable is foolish.
At any rate, there is a few things you could do.
Well, unfortunately, this is only going to get much worse when Trump takes over..
No facts for you. Only alternative facts!
What's up with Mel? Does he have Parkinson's or something similar? Or is he just strung out on cocaine? He was insanely, constantly twitchy the whole interview.
Probably something to do with all that ivermectin.
And the crazy Catholic-offshoot cult he's in.
Drugs
Sadly he's on a late stadium of being a cunt
Cocaine
When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug...
In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.
Because schools don't stress science literacy, what people didn't notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn't read past the title, clearly.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it's "wonder drug" status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer...
The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.
Fair enough. And thank you for the article, it was informative!
Scam artists can sell it without a prescription as long as they're calling it an animal product. It's sold off the counter at any feed store. This is always the scam with these claims it's ''it cures cancer THEY just don't want you to know about it!'' Then they sell you a huge amount of it at a huge markup. This is everything from Monavie (an aqci berry juice), vitamin Mega doses, some completely insignificant ''supplements'' (I knew a guy selling ox bile capsules with almost no oil or extracts mixed in), then you have all manner of crystals, jade eggs, food processing leftovers like apricot pits, inert nonsense. And I'm not even really mad about it because it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe. These idiots take the same meds from their doctor as everyone else, then ALSO take the snake oil and are convinced the snake oil worked. Joe took a vit C mega dose when he was also taking meds from his doctor for Covid, and he's SURE the Vit C did something. It's like how if you have really worn out tires on a car that when you get new tires the mileage gets noticeably better, but then you think ''tire store change tire = 20% lower mph'' so you take your car back the next day and ask them to change the tires 4 more times because you think it will make your car have -100% gas consuption. All these meds CAN improve your immune system response by removing parasites if you have them, eliminate vit deficiencys if you have them, or remove other micro nutrient deficiencies, all work IF you have the issue to begin with, and studies show the improvement, but taking 1000x the dose of Vit C is just making your pee insanely vit rich, once the deficiency is resolved your body dumps the excess.
Not at all. People who can barley afford their medications see these as cheaper alternatives and will often use these instead.
Tell them that THEY (whoever THEY are) are doing a horrible job of keeping it a secret because every tinfoil twit talks about it.
The vitamin c thing probably comes from Linus Pauling and his promotion of vitamin c megadoses.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9350474/
I swear, if somehow dog turds got a "fight the man" aura about them there'd be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
But they'll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
We are all going to die
Yes but californians first
I thought the San Andreas fault would get em, but I was wrong.
That's 2026
No it's not San Andrea's fault, it's Capitalism's
Wet brain is a thing people. Drink in moderation.
That reminds me of some obscure bit of dialogue in some scifi show or something, where someone tries to insult another person by something but then they're not offended, just autistically go "brains are supposed to be wet" for something.
Ugh it's not wet though but something along those lines. Ugh this is gonna bother me all day
Edit only took 5 hours, wasn't scifi. My brain is soft and wet.| Brooklyn Nine-Nine RIP Andre Braughr
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Thank for commenting I would not have come back otherwise and now I remembered it.
My brain is soft and wet.| Brooklyn Nine-Nine RIP Andre Braughr
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Remember that nobody is protected against conspiracy theories. This shit is going everywhere.
To be fair, Mel Gibson has been a racist, homophobic piece of shit for decades now. The fact that he's waded into right wing conspiracy and grift, should be a surprise to no one.
Ever notice how Mel Gibson kept getting cast as insane people or creepers or both at the same time?
This was my point too. You don't believe in this shit like that. But also, it's always a good reminder for everyone to be careful and that everyone can be concerned.
It's okay when it's clearly labelled a theory. They can be entertaining thoughts. Some may even prove true some time, but it should be clear a theory is not a fact and should not be treated as such.
Just FYI, ivermectin is also a human dewormer, ir is very used in poor countries like here, Brazil
Everytime I hear it introduced as "horse dewormer". The bias is already made clear.
While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can't do jack shit against cancer... So is OP for acting like it's not safe for human consumption. It's safe for consumption even at 10x a "normal" dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg.... or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).
It's 100% safe... and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.
Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838
TL;DR... While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it... It's safe for consumption as a general rule.
Bud they're tricking idiots who need actual medicine into taking something that won't help, and that gets people killed.
People who take medical advice from Trump and Mel Gibson would have been eaten by the Lion anyways.
And lying by stating its for horses in a manner that makes someone assume it's not for humans at all resolves what?
Because all the people taking it for COVID (and probably trying to cure cancer) were not getting it from the doctor. They were getting it from Farm supply stores . Everyone was calling it horse dewormer because that's what it was. They were not going to get a prescription. I know because I live amongst these dummies that were asking on Facebook which one to get from the farm supply, what flavor was best, etc.
so you think Mel Gibson‘s friends got their ivermectin from a farm supply store?
Possibly, but probably from one of those dodgy Hollywood doctors who will prescribe anything they want.
I don't think Mel Gibson has any friends.
It's very likely off-label use, so maybe.
First you're going to have to define "they". The people that I unfortunately live around are part of this "they" group with your implied "all the people taking it for COVID" definition. All of them simply got the pills from Mexico, where you can walk into any farmacia and pick up boxes upon boxes of the stuff for like 1$ per pill. They're setup for this down there... and talking to them when I was last there nearly 100% of their purchases come from the USA. And just like you, I can link a store, even several!
https://medsmex.com.mx/store/stromectol-ivexterm-ivermectin-6-mg-4-tabs/p-4734.html
https://arecovpharma.com/medications/products-covid-19
https://mexipharmacy.mx/eng/item/3686/veridex-ivermectin-4tab-6mg
This is way more common than your nonsense "well people are ordering from the farm supply store!"
I think either one of two things... You've fallen for a troll with your "dummies on Facebook", or you're lying, unknowingly or otherwise, in your claim that this is how "everyone" was getting it.
Once again (because it's apparent that at least half of lemmy is incapable of reading based on the downvotes), I'm not stupid enough to think that Ivermectin does anything useful for COVID-19. But just because you saw 1-2 people on Facebook say something completely fucking dumb doesn't mean that the whole of people taking the drug are doing it that way, or that the normal non-horse paste version of the medicine is hard to get a hold of. This is literally one of the most by dosage consumed medications of the planet. Very few people are taking the horse paste version of this thing when the pills are so readily available.
And even then... EVEN THEN, so what? Let the idiots eat their horse paste. Hopefully they choke on the filler and society becomes smarter for it... The drug itself is shown to be safe (though ineffective for what they're hoping for). One of the links I posted previously showed no ill effects for up to 3000μg/kg (which only tested that high... not that it wouldn't be safe at higher dosages). That paste you linked? is 200 μg/kg for it's target 1250 horse. So for a 200lb human is 1250μg/kg. Well within "safe" tolerances, assuming they're eating the whole damn tube. Laugh at them for being stupid sure, but I don't see where ivermectin as one of the cheapest most taken drugs on the planet needs to garner a bad wrap from this. It's saved boatloads of lives over it's ~50 years in service now. It's not "horse" dewormer. It as a drug is good for just about any parasite removal in just about ANY living animal... of which humans are indeed animals.
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It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first. You know, humans don't get many worms where the drug was invented and made. It's like, some adults wear diapers, but when someone says diapers the user you picture is a baby. You say Ivermectin, and anyone that knows anything about it thinks horses. It's used by vets more than doctors. It's available, I believe, over the counter, at farm supply stores. Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
Sometimes public ridicule is an appropriate remedy when social conduct is harmful yet not illegal.
In context, Mary Mallon was medically quarantined against her will, for life, because she refused to stop knowingly spreading disease. She broke the social contract. The social contract requires basic personal hygiene. The horse paste people anti-mask types are breaking the contract; they waste medication, they take up medical resources, and they knowingly spread disease. The same people take huge dumps and then don't wash their hands.
And now, some Shakespeare:
It is only in the sense that third-world countries that rely on it just freely give it out rather than making it prescribed. Case and point being that it's freely available in Mexico, as linked above.
US only accounts for ~350 million of the many BILLIONS of people on the planet. We're talking about a drug that has been taken by BILLIONS and you can't shut the fuck up about the 350 million Americans?
Initial research RELEASED the drugs for animals first... Mostly because it's easier to get approval for animal drugs than human drugs.
However, this drug has been trialed to humans since ~1980 (Animals is credited as "late 70's", but "was initially introduced as a commercial product for Animal Health in 1981"). So really no difference in timelines here comparatively... But you go ahead and keep lying about shit. If your qualifier that it's "animal first" is that it was trialed in animals mere months before it was trialed in humans, then sure, you're right. But I'm taking issue with that. That's bullshit and you should know it. And yes, it's also normal for human trials to last much longer than animal ones. Thus why it was on trials for years.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
So once again... kindly fuck off with the lying about the medicine. You're better than that.
Berate the moron, not the functional medicine.
Sorry. But I'm not interested in talking to someone who claims "that's not what were talking about" when that's literally the core part of the discussion as started by OP.
Cool, then piss on the people that make the call for the ineffective treatment. Not the perfectly useful drug that is in public domain and saved millions (many millions) of lives with 3.7 Billion doses consumed.
Edit: If a COVID denier told you to just drink water and you'll get over it. Would you then turn around and call water "horse hydrating water" for the rest of your life? Do you not see how 1) absolutely stupid you'd look and 2) that you're attempting to put down water by saying it? Even though it's literally required to keep you alive?
While Ivermectin isn't "required" to live... for many it's the only answer. Now they'll be stigmatized for no fucking reason other than this constant fucking rant of "horse dewormer". At this point I don't doubt that someone has turned down a legitimate use of Ivermectin over this shit, probably had to go for an alternative drug that is not in the public domain and paid some pharma company boatloads to do it. So like I've said probably a dozen times at this point. Piss on the people making the shit claim. Not the perfectly valid drugs that have very valuable purposes.
Nothing is 100% safe, with the curious exception of ultrasound which is considered 100% safe.
Edit: obviously don't take medical advice from trump or any other idiot, go to the doctor, take your vaccines and keep calm when sick.
I don't think it'd be very safe to consume an ultrasound. Sounds like a lot of metal and plastic leading to intestinal blockages at best.
This should not be legal.
I am always disheartened when I see his podcast is always at the top of the charts, even left leaning reasonable friends i know listen to it
Some episodes are good. Dave from megadeth for example.
The problem with the podcast is Joe agrees with everyone.
Maybe they’re good? I’ll never know cause I refuse to give views to such a toxic person, and Dave Mustaine? Two toxic morons talking to each other? Sounds like a blast /s
wait, im out of the loop, what did Dave Mustaine do?
The personal life section of his Wikipedia page lists more than a few examples of conservative Christian themed bigotry.
this is why I dont like to dig too much into musicians lives, they always disappoint me.
I really enjoy when he has physicists on. That's about it.
You’re part of the problem
Yeah my bad I shouldn't be single handedly propping up the biggest podcast in the world like that I really dropped the ball.
I haven't watched it in years. I just think he has good conversations with real scientists. Cope harder and be useless.
Yep. I have a friend who is very much on the left, but he's also really naïve, so he doesn't see the problem with listening to Rogan.
yeah, imagine being so naïve you think you can listen to things without being corrupted
Too bad he gets "corrupted" because he is naïve and believes the things he hears on Rogan or you would have a point.
Believe it or not, many of Rogan's listeners are even less rigorous about fact checking than he is because they trust his guests even if they don't trust him.
It doesn't do people's argument credit when they call ivermectin a horse dewormer. Yes, it can be used for that but it's a broad spectrum drug used for lots of things in humans and animals. Does it do what the alt right says? Probably not. But you look almost as dumb as they do when you call a WHO essential medicine horse dewormer.
Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.
and as we all know, there’s no reason to pass up an easy jab
It is approved for use in humans, but its primary uses are all as an antiparisitic drug. And primarily worms.
Nobody is claiming that it isn’t great for deworming horses and other related anti-parasitic applications. But it is provably not effective at combating COVID or cancer, and mocking people who conflate the legitimate uses for the imaginary uses under the guise of “its a WHO essential medicine” is morally correct.
Yes and it treats fungal infections in tree frogs. I'm not trying to say that these medicines work the way that Gibson is saying they do, but the whole "horse dewormer" talking point is dishonest as it makes it out like these medicines have only a single use. I doubt ivermectin treats covid or whatever. But anytime someone just throws out these minimizing points as if it's impossible to use things in more than one way only makes me doubt the validity of their claims.
It is wild how they just jump from one thing to other mentioning things at random. "I know this guy who can point his finger at you and you will feel it, because you know... how did they build the pyramids?? This thing is like quantum physics".
Is this the effects of too much ivermectin?
Why can't they take like acute doses of actual poison? Why is it always this bullshit? Don't be a pussy, drink the bleach, bitch!
We all know that’s total bullshit because Mel Gibson has no friends.
He's rich, he can afford to buy them.
Pft he couldn't even afford private firefighters
Well the blue color actually proved valuable in spinal reconstruction. (AFAIK)
Huh. Apparently it's been found seemingly helpful with pain management, trauma reduction, disinfection, cleaning, and tumor detection when used as a dye. I wasn't thorough so I didn't find anything about spinal reconstruction specifically but its use is probably related in one of these ways in some procedures. So TIL.
Still not a cancer-killer. Sorry, Mel!
It's also used as a topical antibacterial agent in wound care (source: am wound care nurse), but ya, not cancer.
True... I found this... but probably a little out dated.
TL;DR: When injected intravenously, it prevents surrounding tissue damage by preventing the flood of ATP from binding to neighbor cell "death receptors". It replaces oxidized ATP that needed to be injected directly on the injured spine and had other side effects. At one cost: temporarily turning turning your skin blue. Neat!
...ah yes that new Korean song is all the rage!
A-T-P ATP ATP ATP ATP! Don't you want me like I want you baby! Don't you need me like I need you now!
Yeah! That's what immediately came to mind when I first heard the song because in Spanish it's APT and I used to love biochem many years ago. lol
E: Apparently my dyslexia got the best of me and it's also ATP in Spanish and I'm misremembering.
Okay, en eapañol!
Don chu wan me laik Hay wan chu beibe! Don chu nid me laik Hay nid yu nau!
Aplausos!
I can believe that, but thinking a thing that's helpful in spinal surgery then taking it when you have the cancer is... it's pretty fucking dumb. Like... penicillin has saved my life about 5 different times because I have had chronic pneumonia, but I'm not about to down it if my leg breaks. These aren't similar issues.
When numbnuts have no power in society, it's often dismissed as a fool's errand to try to counter their crazy claims. But I think we all need to be countering the crazy at all times, not just when the biggest crazies are enjoying power and reach. Otherwise, we get Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson talking about curing terminal cancer with animal dewormer and Donald Trump winning a second term and appointing RFK Jr. to delete vaccines from history.
Horse/barn door situation, but still. It can always get worse.
It's really quite scary how many people will believe claims from someone who has no qualifications on the subject just because they are an influencer. Ivermectin works on mites and other parasitic animals by paralyzing their muscles. Following this logic, it would be analogous to claiming that benzodiazepines cured my friend's broken limb.
But I hear the horse paste is apple flavored!
Fwiw, certain trained professionals who are licensed to practice recommend ivermectin in certain situations.
Methyl blue I heard one talking about how it's interesting and they are evaluating it.
The ones I know are rabid leftists, who hate Trump, fwiw
Ok, I'll tell them that they aren't?
And I should trust you on that instead of people not on the internet, ok lol
My false statement? You seem to be confused, I said nothing false.
Look, I was surprised when she told me about ivermectin and the metyl blue stuff, and I also am dubious that the horse paste does shit, but she is the successful practicing MD who has multiple publications. I'm just a tech person on the internet.
But she did tell me that, there is nothing untrue about the fact that she told me something. You and I can think it does shit, and I'm with you on that, but good luck proving that she didn't tell me that.
The weird knee heel reactions to me just saying a real person who is a doctor told me something is wild.
Just because you’re on the left and hate Trump doesn’t mean you’re not a fucking moron lmao
You may as well join em
Wow, smart guy here
Let me guess, they're trained chiropractors.
No? Why would they be
Their beliefs in anti-scientific bullshit. So what are they, reiki healers? Homeopaths? Dieticians?
And your beliefs come from where?
The scientific method. You might look into it.
I'm not the doctor I'm talking about, are you?
I read an article about these blue skinned people in the mountains that were given menthol blue to get rid of the blue skin color. I guess it can be ingested safely, but unless you have that genetic condition not sure what it does for you.
Edit: the blue Fugates
To get rid of the blue, add more blue?
I mean... Death cures all 🤷🏻♂️
Except death itself. How ironic. /s
That sounds like natural selection is taking care of business.
What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don't believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
Sooooooo…. Broprah agrees with ignorance. Is this new?
Steve Jobs, an otherwise very intelligent and successful guy, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and instead of jumping right on treating it instead let it go and sought out all sorts of "natural" cures. Well it became terminal and he admitted that if he had treated it at the start it was in an early enough stage where he likely would've survived. There is a trait in some smart people to think they are experts on everything.
let's hope everyone who still listens to Joe Bogan follows Mel G's advice when they get cancer.
I mean, I'm fine with them pushing this misinformation. That's just fewer of their audience who survive cancer and go vote.
Until it causes the trump administration to drive to withdraw approvals for effective treatments in favor of this stuff...
... Until your doctor starts pushing it because he saw it on Joe Rogan.
Methylene blue can be sed treat thallium posiong
I am completely fine with the gullible killing themselves off. Why stand in their way.
“There’s no way this mfer would have made it past 10yo a couple hundred years ago…” 😆
Sometimes they kill their kids. It's not really fair to the kids.
He's long been known as a soggy wet noodle. What I want to know is, was he closeted, or never quite instant noodles?
So, methylene blue can be used as a fabric dye; it can also be used as ink for temporary or permanent tattoos. However, medically, it's used in the treatment of methemoglobinemia, as a urinary analgesic, anti-infective, and anti-spasmodic agent, or in endoscopy as a gastrointestinal dye, and can also be used as a rescue antidote in life threatening poisonings causing refractory shock states and other shock states.
While I sincerely doubt anyone's state IV cancer has been cured by methylene blue, dismissing it as "a fabric dye" is wrongfully dismissive of it's actual medical uses.
Well at least methylene blue is harmless. I used to put it in my coworker's coffee to turn their piss blue.
Harmless or not, making other people unknowingly ingest substances is NOT OKAY
It's fucked up that one person downvoted you for this.
You don't know anything about the relationship. If my best friend had done that at work back in the day, I'd laugh. "Mother fucker gonna pay on this."
I'm sure you two had a good rapport and it was okay to mess with each other, and that you weren't drugging strangers.
I think poisoning implies its something toxic. But point taken.
I know your body doesn't absorb it, so I know it doesn't matter.
Methylene blue is used as an antifungal for aquarium fish.
Good ol' sugar tits.
I support right-wingers who are dumb enough to believe this right to use this treatment (without forcing any doctors to do so, of course). It will only serve to diminish their numbers.
I don't. They'll treat their kids, too. And withhold actual care. I don't want to punish an innocent boy or girl for their parent's error.
Note that RFK Jr wants to withdrawal approval for vaccines for anyone to use...
As it propagates within their own circles, as they get real power we all get to be in the same boat as subject to their wild theories.
These people treat knowable medical information the way that people a decade or so ago used to treat stories about ghosts or being abducted by aliens.
Methylene blue is the most surprising of them all. It's often used as a cationic stain (so it reacts with negatively charged stuff) for bacterial identification and "making cells more visible".
I barely understand how it works but also heard that is used intravenously for some anoxia issues by some smart doctors but with someone not suffering anoxia, that seems like a thing that you don't want in your body.
Edit: and as an aquarium dye to battle fungal infections.
Totally misrepresented, you left out prayer
/s
Fabric dye? Sometimes I wish we hadn't done all this testing on animals to make sure this stuff was safe to consume...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylene_blue
Methylene Blue does have medicinal purposes and I know someone who had it used in a hospital due to a reaction to anti-malarials.
I am glad his dumb ass friends will be gone soon
Someone mind explaining this shit? It's about the 5th time I've seen this spam, whats the goal?
The scam is that you have to deposit funds before you can withdraw the money, when you deposit money it's taken out automatically to go to the scammer
More details here:
https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/cryptowallet-free-seed-phrase-scam/52810/
Getting all the glory of -3 engagement?
I just got spam through a website contact form with something similar. Not seen it before, then I open lemmy and click this post and here it is again. Weird.
Is there a potential security risk trying to add this seed phrase to check it?
Nah, but there's not much point either. Basically, you'll see there's probably a few thousand dollars sitting there, apparently ripe for the taking. However, to transfer the funds to another wallet, you'll have to pay a transaction fee. The way the wallet is set up, two other wallets must approve any outgoing transactions, resulting in your transaction attempt failing, while the scammers snag the fee.
Honestly, it's a scam scamming thieves. I'm not even that mad, lol.
Also curious... 🤔