Let them come, and also fuck reddit. You're banned for a comment that was deleted, you can't see what you said to determine how it violated the rules. You get one message for an appeal. Do you feel lucky? Well do you...punk!
They definitely don't read them, because I got banned for making a very obvious (ridiculous) joke and I explained that in my one measly appeal message that for sure went ignored.
There’s also the possibility that they do read them, they’re just humourless morons that don’t understand the difference between a joke and a threat on someone’s life.
I got banned for telling someone to crawl back in their hole because they said female genital mutilation was horrible but that circumcision was fine because it looks better.
Censorship disguised as moderation. This is exactly what killed reddit. You can't have a discussion over there without getting banned, it's just individual echo chambers who all censor and ban each other
It's just a list of nouns and proper nouns. Depending on what your post is, it could be a very unpopular opinion! Censoring words is why I won't ever go back to Reddit...
Don't get me wrong, banning words is stupid and gives us the Scunthorpe problem and I am very glad that we have an alternative to Reddit because its just a cesspit.
The subreddit "r/unpopularOpinions" was not full of unpopular opinions, and the words banned were obviously popular opinions because everyone talked about them until the API change and the regime cracked down.
that's easily dissuaded by no re-posts or reddits algorithm burying those. The problem was more likely because they were popular and highly engaged so they had to step in. Fucking "spez" is in there and you still feel the need to play devil's advocate?
I still go on reddit. In a lot of ways it's a lot worse than it used to be. It's way more corporate. Huge portions of the site seem sanitized, often in obvious and eyeroll inducing ways. There's also a lot less content in general. The content that does exist is lower effort, and way more repetitive.
However in some ways it's genuinely better. The discourse is a lot less toxic than it used to be. A lot of genuine cruelty wrapped in virtue signaling that defined the site from 2018 to 2022 is either gone or greatly diminished. It's also slightly less of an echo chamber.
I think what happened is that after the mobile apocalypse, a lot of the power users left the platform. While these people contributed a lot to the site, they were also extremely toxic people with an even more warped worldview.
The mods are a reflection of this. They are more corporate, which leads to a lot of censorship like this. However it also means that scrolling is quite a bit more pleasant.
Overall I spend more time on Reddit than Lemmy. There's very little content here once you filter out all the outrage bait.
Then they don't vote and NEVER figure out that they were manipulated into inaction, they were given that extra nudge to sit and stay home on Election Day.
That part is the exact same and worse here. Lemmy is not really decrentralized, it's just fractured. Each community still have just one "big one" by design.
“I’ll start my own Lemmy, with blackjack and hookers” and it will have the same systemic structure that perpetuates underhanded unaccountable shadow moderation and the concentration of power into the hand of a few individuals who just happened to be at the right place at the right time and cannot realistically be avoided or dislodged until an absolutely monumental fuckup on their part that it can't be ignored.
It's becoming clear that Lemmy is not in any way the safe haven it has been marketed as. And this NFT rigamarole certainly isn't going to be that either.
Anything that doesn't put the ENTIRE content discovery engine fully in the hands of the users and that doesn't make content moderation a crowdsourced-only transparent, auditable endeavor is going to reproduce l'ancien régime.
Anything that doesn’t put the ENTIRE content discovery engine fully in the hands of the users and that doesn’t make content moderation a crowdsourced-only transparent, auditable endeavor is going to reproduce l’ancien régime.
Aren't you just describing Lemmy?
Content discovery is fully in the hands of the users, and content moderation is both crowd-sourced and transparent.
Upvotes, downvotes, and reports are all forms of crowd sourced moderation. The modlog is transparent and auditable. What are you on about?
Do you know how shit Lemmy could be if some hexbear tankies could come into your community and brigade it until they've banned half the users?
Or the flipside, it's a process that involves weeks of voting and you've got CP plastered all over the front page while you wait to reach enough votes to trigger its removal.
Moderators exist to fill a role, that is the need for immediate action. Communities should be involved in decision making around rules, but you need people on hand to take responsibility and keep shit running. The benefit of Lemmy is that if you don't like it, you can go create your own instance or community, without being subjected to a singular owner; that's the issue it was solving, not your terrible one.
Instances are moderated by their moderators. Other instances that would rather not associate with a different instance can withdraw federation. I think the system works fine.
Lemmy is not in any way the safe haven it has been marketed as.
Marketed? Lemmy is not a company and there is no marketing department. Generally, what you know about Lemmy is word of mouth from people who used it before you. No one controls the narrative in the end.
That's quite dumb. Besides blatantly violating the one site-wide rule we've been pretty lenient with here on Lemmy, you're suggesting someone gives their life to rid us of Spez?!? THAT is your priority?
There are a lot of different people around here, and different people get angry about different things. So there's always going to be a lot of different bad things said about a large instance like lemmy.world. But whether or not those things are actually a real problem is for you to decide.
.ml isn't all that bad. I see a lot of whinging on about being banned "over nothing", but the thing about Lemmy is removed comments are logged. More often than not, they're lying.
I ditched .world because of their euro-centric attitude on free speech regarding, specifically, jury nullification. Which is, as I pointed out, the critical final tool for us citizens to try and legally change unjust laws and/or unjust applications of it. It's also older than the US, and the government hates it when anyone remembers it exists. To the point that lawyers are forbidden from mentioning it to juries in court. Because the ruling elite fear anything that gives the citizens the slightest shred of hope that we could upset their oppressive system. So duck them euros and their censorship bullshit.
Is this really so bad? I mean.. I get it. When you’re trying to moderate something with thousands of posts, and a ton start coming in that are low effort/bot posts saying things like “unpopular opinion: I support Luigi” or “unpopular opinion: I am glad Biden won’t be president” it makes sense. Those are just such constant topics with such a wide range of ideals. Whereas an unpopular opinion they might want to spur conversation would be “unpopular opinion: I don’t mind my socks being damp or wet” otherwise it’s just constant shitposts.
Plus, Reddit isn’t the (US) government. Your expectation of free speech should be null.
It's part of a larger trend of social media blackouts, this is bad because it lets the wealthy control our discource in the furtherance of their oligarchic aims.
Your rights as a person and citizen don’t magically extend everywhere. Otherwise you turn into a sovereign citizen. This weird obsession on Lemmy with this idea you should be able to say whatever you want online anywhere is fucking stupid and weird. A website is like another business or home (or even a newspaper… which at times has also pulled ideas they don’t agree with). You’re showing up to it. If you don’t like the rules in one place, go to another (or read a different paper). Or make your own.
Also, I love the irony of me making an unpopular opinion comment on a post about unpopular opinion.
What you miss is people aren't arguing from a constitutional perspective. They're saying that it's fucking ridiculous that sites like reddit censor perfectly legal speech while also billing themselves as bastions of free speech.
There is a certain logic to it. If you want to bill your site as a public square, then maybe you shouldn't censor anything other than speech that is actually illegal. It is not illegal to say things in support of Luigi Mangione. In fact, it's perfectly legal, and totally Constitutionally protected, for me to go right now and hold a big sign in front of NYPD headquarters saying, "Luigi Mangione is a saint, and I hope to see a hundred more like him!" The law restricts true threats, but those are defined way, way narrower than many on social media seem to think.
People aren't saying that reddit or other platforms can't censor content on their platform, they obviously can. But you also shouldn't bitch about people pointing out the rank hypocrisy of sites that bill themselves as public squares censoring content to serve their corporate overlords.
I don’t disagree with some of your points, but I also don’t believe that Reddit really ever said it was a free speech platform. Twitter has for sure (because of Elon), but Reddit has really been a “front page of the internet” believer. They felt more like an aggregator and newspaper. Which definitely has a lot of censoring and opinion blocking in the world of print too. I mean, remember when they got rid of jailbait or space dicks, was that a speech problem? Some felt it was, but it was definitely something we all realized was wrong and that a private company tries to protect its “brand.” Obviously being on Lemmy and leaving after the API change means I didn’t agree with them and I found another place that aligned more with my values.
You holding that sign up though is legal, however only on public property, and only if you’re taking up less than half of the sidewalk and not in the path of traffic. You also cannot use an amplified device (unless you’ve filled out the permit) and your sign cannot be on any wood or metal sticks. If you step onto private property you can be asked to leave or removed. That last one is also something that just like a website isn’t restricting your right to free speech, just that a specific building/business/owner doesn’t want to be in support of it.
In the end, why are we all still talking about Reddit. This site definitely has users that love going back to their crazy ex to fuck and then realizing it’s still crazy like as if it would change.
If we’re talking about the Unpopular opinion subreddit (what the image is from). They also had President, presidency, Trump, and spez. They’re just big things that end up with a lot of garbage. A sub about unpopular opinions filled with the same “Donald Trump bad” becomes boring and annoying.
If we’re talking about the Lemmy Shitpost community then they specifically call out no derogatory language towards anyone’s Race, gender, or religion. Is that trampling your civil liberties?
Bruh their point is literally "nothing interesting because people keep repeating slogans without even reading or understanding". And you keep doing it.
Nobody said anything about CEOs. You added your own narrative.
I'm commenting on the comment chain. The post is about banning keywords. The chain is about Lemmy droning on about the same topics without anything new to say. There is nothing about billionaires here, yet the one I responded to had to make it about that, proving the OP right, then going deeper in.
It reads to me that they are complaining about the number and nature of Lemmy posts around topics featured in the image, captioned Luigi and largely revolving around the actions he took against a CEO. Im also tired of seeing people complain / Pearl clutch about the one time americans got close to class consciousness.
Let them come, and also fuck reddit. You're banned for a comment that was deleted, you can't see what you said to determine how it violated the rules. You get one message for an appeal. Do you feel lucky? Well do you...punk!
You get one message for an appeal.
They don't even read the appeals
They must not, I got banned for quoting eat the rich by Aerosmith and nothing with the appeal. Like that cannot be a bannable offence
I got banned because I made a joke about a dead pornstar in r/entertainment
Shitty. Reddit mods can suck a fart out of my ass.
Graphic. I'd like them to French kiss my hairy balloon knot.
They definitely don't read them, because I got banned for making a very obvious (ridiculous) joke and I explained that in my one measly appeal message that for sure went ignored.
There’s also the possibility that they do read them, they’re just humourless morons that don’t understand the difference between a joke and a threat on someone’s life.
And around here you can see any mod removals by clicking "source". It's like a big red flag saying, "Read this because the mod doesn't want you to!"
Sort through a bunch of code? They're referring to a button in the UI.
I got banned for telling someone to crawl back in their hole because they said female genital mutilation was horrible but that circumcision was fine because it looks better.
Getting permabanned from reddit is the best thing that happened to me in 2024. I don't even know what for and I don't care.
Some of those are understandable to be banned from Unpopular Opinion because they're actually quite popular opinions. 🤷🏻♂️
"I believe Brian Thompson was actually a pretty cool guy"
DISCLAIMER: I in no way actually think this. This is just an example of one of those banned subjects being used correctly in that sub.
Censorship disguised as moderation. This is exactly what killed reddit. You can't have a discussion over there without getting banned, it's just individual echo chambers who all censor and ban each other
Or maybe, its not actually an unpopular opinion!
People think they have an unpopular opinion because they do not realize everyone with the same opinion was censored.
I don't know about that. People post obviously popular opinions repeatedly if they aren't banned.
Yeah, no shit. Even though they are the "top ten".
That's the logic that ends dictators.
It's just a list of nouns and proper nouns. Depending on what your post is, it could be a very unpopular opinion! Censoring words is why I won't ever go back to Reddit...
Don't get me wrong, banning words is stupid and gives us the Scunthorpe problem and I am very glad that we have an alternative to Reddit because its just a cesspit.
The subreddit "r/unpopularOpinions" was not full of unpopular opinions, and the words banned were obviously popular opinions because everyone talked about them until the API change and the regime cracked down.
Or, hear me out, maybe people were tied of way too many posts in the community being about recent politics, so moderators took action on that?
It's not a good look to be broadly banning those words, but it seems to me like there's a reasonable and obvious expansion.
that's easily dissuaded by no re-posts or reddits algorithm burying those. The problem was more likely because they were popular and highly engaged so they had to step in. Fucking "spez" is in there and you still feel the need to play devil's advocate?
Usually when I'm tired of reading about a subject I just don't click on those threads, I don't censor people
Hate to break it to you but reddit isn't dead.
I still go on reddit. In a lot of ways it's a lot worse than it used to be. It's way more corporate. Huge portions of the site seem sanitized, often in obvious and eyeroll inducing ways. There's also a lot less content in general. The content that does exist is lower effort, and way more repetitive.
However in some ways it's genuinely better. The discourse is a lot less toxic than it used to be. A lot of genuine cruelty wrapped in virtue signaling that defined the site from 2018 to 2022 is either gone or greatly diminished. It's also slightly less of an echo chamber.
I think what happened is that after the mobile apocalypse, a lot of the power users left the platform. While these people contributed a lot to the site, they were also extremely toxic people with an even more warped worldview.
The mods are a reflection of this. They are more corporate, which leads to a lot of censorship like this. However it also means that scrolling is quite a bit more pleasant.
Overall I spend more time on Reddit than Lemmy. There's very little content here once you filter out all the outrage bait.
You may be on the wrong communities, i could waste a day here. I actually use reddit for ragebait (i just can't quit aitah)
Digg died. Reddit will also die eventually.
I didn't ask for excuses for the censorship
I misread and deleted the comment almost as soon as I wrote it because I thought you were talking about Lemmy.
Can't talk about trump, but go ahead and talk about Biden as much as you want
Then they don't vote and NEVER figure out that they were manipulated into inaction, they were given that extra nudge to sit and stay home on Election Day.
Maybe because he is a popular opinion /s
Unpopular Opinion: Reddit admins are doing a great job and I'm ever so sad I don't visit anymore.
Now that's an unpopular opinion
Last time I visited it it was full of climate deniers and other alternative facts
"Mario's brother"
"The Mansion Owner"
"Splattered Brain Thompson"
"CE Oh shit the consequences of my actions!"
“Wa-Waluigi”
Green Mario
Mr. L, aka "the Green Thunder".
https://www.mariowiki.com/Mr._L
"Gooigi"
"Green Man"
"The Italian"
"The Adjuster"
"L Man"
"LM"
"LLM"
And so on and so forth
Uigi-lay Angione-may
What did you say about my mother?
Who is this Liugi Mangonie?
He's the guy who killed Brain Tomphson.
No he didn't. He was with me 10.000 miles away at the time.
It's true, I saw them.
you saw me with danekrae?!
That was you? You're a good smoocher
This is true. I was also there. The three of us were making passionate, sloppy smooches.
Is there any other Squidward I should be aware of?
*allegedly
That was the COO of that Untied Hatecare, right?
he's the guy they're claiming did.
Innocent until proven guilty. Don't do their work for them
I don't see The Adjuster there 😏
Oh boy, time to breakout the non-ASCII look-a-like characters! Lol
Reddit mods being power tripping cucks as usual.
That part is the exact same and worse here. Lemmy is not really decrentralized, it's just fractured. Each community still have just one "big one" by design.
Difference between Reddit and Lemmy is that you can legit say "I'll start my own Lemmy, with blackjack and hookers" and expect it to make an impact.
Whereas with Reddit, whatever Spez says is law, even if it's as consistent as bird shit on a car windscreen.
“I’ll start my own Lemmy, with blackjack and hookers” and it will have the same systemic structure that perpetuates underhanded unaccountable shadow moderation and the concentration of power into the hand of a few individuals who just happened to be at the right place at the right time and cannot realistically be avoided or dislodged until an absolutely monumental fuckup on their part that it can't be ignored.
It's becoming clear that Lemmy is not in any way the safe haven it has been marketed as. And this NFT rigamarole certainly isn't going to be that either.
Anything that doesn't put the ENTIRE content discovery engine fully in the hands of the users and that doesn't make content moderation a crowdsourced-only transparent, auditable endeavor is going to reproduce l'ancien régime.
Aren't you just describing Lemmy?
Content discovery is fully in the hands of the users, and content moderation is both crowd-sourced and transparent.
Upvotes, downvotes, and reports are all forms of crowd sourced moderation. The modlog is transparent and auditable. What are you on about?
Do you know how shit Lemmy could be if some hexbear tankies could come into your community and brigade it until they've banned half the users?
Or the flipside, it's a process that involves weeks of voting and you've got CP plastered all over the front page while you wait to reach enough votes to trigger its removal.
Moderators exist to fill a role, that is the need for immediate action. Communities should be involved in decision making around rules, but you need people on hand to take responsibility and keep shit running. The benefit of Lemmy is that if you don't like it, you can go create your own instance or community, without being subjected to a singular owner; that's the issue it was solving, not your terrible one.
Instances are moderated by their moderators. Other instances that would rather not associate with a different instance can withdraw federation. I think the system works fine.
Marketed? Lemmy is not a company and there is no marketing department. Generally, what you know about Lemmy is word of mouth from people who used it before you. No one controls the narrative in the end.
Reddit unpopular opinion mods are bunch of cretins. They banned me for posting unpopular opinion 😂
Because people are trained to downvote things that suck everywhere else on the Internet
What did you post?
Green Mario
Luìgi Mangíone
Green Mario Big Eater
Turns out hating on conservatists and praising ceo killers is too much of a popular opinion for that sub, is that what they want to say?
Green Mario sure is scary.
Holiday?
How dare you!!!
Greta is allowed
But Luigi from hit video game mode Luigi's casino isn't.
the neckbeard fat lards of the mods are the same here
Knowing the average redditor, they probably had like 6900 posts about Luigi (or every of those banned words) every hour for weeks.
I don't blame the mods for dealing that way with karma-addicted redditards.
What is "holiday" on this list for?
The party of Freeze Peach has a lot of trouble dealing with people's opinions.
What Party?
Mario Party?
the uniparty
Love Reddit free speech
Well thank gawd they're here to make sure the ruling oligarchs don't feel the slightest shred of the anxiety that us poors feel 24 hours a day.
leweegee
Corporate gonna corporate
Freedom of speech absolutists
What if it's about some other guy named Brian? So stupid.
There goes my beach boys roast post
That's quite dumb. Besides blatantly violating the one site-wide rule we've been pretty lenient with here on Lemmy, you're suggesting someone gives their life to rid us of Spez?!? THAT is your priority?
Damnit. I just joined this site to try and get away from Reddit mods who are power hungry.
It's a screenshot of Reddit not Lemmy.
But you are on .ml, which is one of the worst instances especially if you hate power hungry mods - also avoid .world.
I haven't had any issues with .world... What should i be pissed about?
I'd suggest "nothing" for the time being.
There are a lot of different people around here, and different people get angry about different things. So there's always going to be a lot of different bad things said about a large instance like lemmy.world. But whether or not those things are actually a real problem is for you to decide.
I’m new to all this so you’re speaking French to me lmao. I feel like an old person. “Back in my day we just had .com .org and .net!”
.ml isn't all that bad. I see a lot of whinging on about being banned "over nothing", but the thing about Lemmy is removed comments are logged. More often than not, they're lying.
I ditched .world because of their euro-centric attitude on free speech regarding, specifically, jury nullification. Which is, as I pointed out, the critical final tool for us citizens to try and legally change unjust laws and/or unjust applications of it. It's also older than the US, and the government hates it when anyone remembers it exists. To the point that lawyers are forbidden from mentioning it to juries in court. Because the ruling elite fear anything that gives the citizens the slightest shred of hope that we could upset their oppressive system. So duck them euros and their censorship bullshit.
What about titty sprinkles
What if I want to make an unpopular opinion on Luigi from the Super Mario Bros series?
Did you say Luigi?
Hilarious this is posted on lemmy.world.
World mods and admins were VERY ban happy when the shooting first occurred. Even to the point they censored any discussion of jury nullification.
Is this really so bad? I mean.. I get it. When you’re trying to moderate something with thousands of posts, and a ton start coming in that are low effort/bot posts saying things like “unpopular opinion: I support Luigi” or “unpopular opinion: I am glad Biden won’t be president” it makes sense. Those are just such constant topics with such a wide range of ideals. Whereas an unpopular opinion they might want to spur conversation would be “unpopular opinion: I don’t mind my socks being damp or wet” otherwise it’s just constant shitposts.
Plus, Reddit isn’t the (US) government. Your expectation of free speech should be null.
It's part of a larger trend of social media blackouts, this is bad because it lets the wealthy control our discource in the furtherance of their oligarchic aims.
Definitely agree with you on that.
When your policy is so bad your only defense of it is "technically we didn't violate your civil rights", maybe reconsider it.
Your rights as a person and citizen don’t magically extend everywhere. Otherwise you turn into a sovereign citizen. This weird obsession on Lemmy with this idea you should be able to say whatever you want online anywhere is fucking stupid and weird. A website is like another business or home (or even a newspaper… which at times has also pulled ideas they don’t agree with). You’re showing up to it. If you don’t like the rules in one place, go to another (or read a different paper). Or make your own.
Also, I love the irony of me making an unpopular opinion comment on a post about unpopular opinion.
What you miss is people aren't arguing from a constitutional perspective. They're saying that it's fucking ridiculous that sites like reddit censor perfectly legal speech while also billing themselves as bastions of free speech.
There is a certain logic to it. If you want to bill your site as a public square, then maybe you shouldn't censor anything other than speech that is actually illegal. It is not illegal to say things in support of Luigi Mangione. In fact, it's perfectly legal, and totally Constitutionally protected, for me to go right now and hold a big sign in front of NYPD headquarters saying, "Luigi Mangione is a saint, and I hope to see a hundred more like him!" The law restricts true threats, but those are defined way, way narrower than many on social media seem to think.
People aren't saying that reddit or other platforms can't censor content on their platform, they obviously can. But you also shouldn't bitch about people pointing out the rank hypocrisy of sites that bill themselves as public squares censoring content to serve their corporate overlords.
I don’t disagree with some of your points, but I also don’t believe that Reddit really ever said it was a free speech platform. Twitter has for sure (because of Elon), but Reddit has really been a “front page of the internet” believer. They felt more like an aggregator and newspaper. Which definitely has a lot of censoring and opinion blocking in the world of print too. I mean, remember when they got rid of jailbait or space dicks, was that a speech problem? Some felt it was, but it was definitely something we all realized was wrong and that a private company tries to protect its “brand.” Obviously being on Lemmy and leaving after the API change means I didn’t agree with them and I found another place that aligned more with my values.
You holding that sign up though is legal, however only on public property, and only if you’re taking up less than half of the sidewalk and not in the path of traffic. You also cannot use an amplified device (unless you’ve filled out the permit) and your sign cannot be on any wood or metal sticks. If you step onto private property you can be asked to leave or removed. That last one is also something that just like a website isn’t restricting your right to free speech, just that a specific building/business/owner doesn’t want to be in support of it.
In the end, why are we all still talking about Reddit. This site definitely has users that love going back to their crazy ex to fuck and then realizing it’s still crazy like as if it would change.
I don't think talking about current events in a shit posting sub rises to the level of "weird obsession".
If we’re talking about the Unpopular opinion subreddit (what the image is from). They also had President, presidency, Trump, and spez. They’re just big things that end up with a lot of garbage. A sub about unpopular opinions filled with the same “Donald Trump bad” becomes boring and annoying.
If we’re talking about the Lemmy Shitpost community then they specifically call out no derogatory language towards anyone’s Race, gender, or religion. Is that trampling your civil liberties?
The whole community is shitposts.
Lets be honest it's not like lemmy is any different, just on the other side of the fence. Probably even worse.
lemmy wasnt always like this. we got the worst of reddit coming in like they invented the federal universe.
Did you just make that up?
Uh ok
Consider a better instance.
Lemmy.ml
lol
made me giggle ngl
no u
Had me in the first half
can't, they banned me for my winnie the pooh
Given how monotonous Lemmy is with the same topics being posted ad nauseum, I can 100% see why the Reddit moderators would do this.
Wont somebody please think of the billionaires :(
You are just proving their point.
Coming to a platform started by leftists and MLs and expecting sympathy for mass murderers because they have a C class job title is on you guys tbh.
Bruh their point is literally "nothing interesting because people keep repeating slogans without even reading or understanding". And you keep doing it.
Nobody said anything about CEOs. You added your own narrative.
Nobody except for literally the post that you're commenting on? You know, the entire basis of the forum that you're participating in?
I'm commenting on the comment chain. The post is about banning keywords. The chain is about Lemmy droning on about the same topics without anything new to say. There is nothing about billionaires here, yet the one I responded to had to make it about that, proving the OP right, then going deeper in.
Gee, I wonder which keywords...
It reads to me that they are complaining about the number and nature of Lemmy posts around topics featured in the image, captioned Luigi and largely revolving around the actions he took against a CEO. Im also tired of seeing people complain / Pearl clutch about the one time americans got close to class consciousness.
Just filter out all users who are obnoxious. Let them have their echo chamber.