We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
Not true - we're just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well "not vote" because "1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant".
Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.
Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.
Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.
Honestly I kinda wonder if he's afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked....
As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He's absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
I'm sure he thought to himself "I'm getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing... right?"
I misremembered exactly what he said, it was “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
Uhh...so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, "spaz" was originally used to describe people with "spastic" movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it's fallen out of favour.
That's all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It's just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.
That said, I'm not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.
It should've been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi's own words is a bit too establishment even for them
Can't believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit's crazy. Who would have guessed?
Can't help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.
This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you're talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
Single payer or bust
Can't stop, won't stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
But if you're talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
You are correct but not grass roots
Can't stop, won't stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
Yeah I wasn't aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren't entirely aware either.
We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit's final form even back in 2006. I'm actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.
When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.
The french revolution was bloody. Today the whole world celebrates July 14th, the day a cheering crowd walked the head of the governor of Bastille on a pike.
Something I've been thinking about recently is how it seems that MOST national anthems celebrate a bloody war in some way, shape, or form, because that's pretty much what it always takes to escape from oppressors, is violent fighting back
When somebody dies from an insurance company, it's sad, but it's the system working at usual. US society at large has decided that's acceptable. Even if you're opposed to it, it isn't a transgression of norms. Assassination is.
It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don't agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi's manifesto. It's a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.
The thing it's referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.
This is YouTube. Not reddit. I get your point you're trying to push but it's two different websites - good on YouTube to allow this kind of conversation to happen. But you can't discount the reach that Reddit has. You can't really have discussion on YouTube, the comment section is always a shit show. On reddit you at least have more space to talk to others and have people be a witness to your line of thought.
The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.
This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can't discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power
Being able to discuss (& cuss, bizarrely Lemmy isn't filled with "fuck" & "penis" posts) as adults is quite nice and seems to actually lead somewhere, sometimes.
Maybe the anger and frustration is part of some business model for reddit?
I feel it's more like 'nothing ever happens until it does' statement that I read about. Basically there is a lot of build up that seems like nothing is happening. Then it reaches critical mass and things change. Think the US civil war. The US wasn't going to free slaves. There was more uprisings and events, like John Brown and Nat Turner, and nothing was going to change. Until it did.
The beauty of the civil rights movement was that on the one side you had the peaceful protests, the disobedience pointing at the other side where activists wanting the same thing and more weren’t so peaceful.
The peaceful protesters were the compromise.
The alternative was a black revolution, the black panthers, Malcom X etc.
Even those who don’t want a full French Revolution right now should at least push for peaceful protest. We need this “or else” approach. We shouldn’t let it go to waste.
You know that one ended with the reign of terror followed by the crowining of a monarch that then embroiled the entire European continent in war, right?
I think it was a good thing in the long run, I’d just like people to temper their bloodlust a bit, lest we fail to learn any lessons from the past. It’s easy to let righteous indignation morph into something distinct but just as shitty as the thing it replaced.
I'm definitely not the biggest fan of the current overcentralization of users and communities on LW, but it's still important to show what their stance is.
I mean, yes, it technically fits the definition of manifesto, but the word that comes to mind a "blurb".
I wonder if Ted Kaczynski or anyone else's manifestos along anti-corporate-establishment lines are being censored. If not, maybe it's because they're a little less digestible. If so, then maybe some articles by Elizabeth Rosenthal could be posted.
Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I'm very curious about the "indecipherable" bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
He is known for doing this stuff, as per the FOIA section of the wiki. He also leaked Luigi's CV: https://substack.com/home/post/p-152869227 Journalists have the right to protect sources.
Ken is harkening back to the old old school of journalistic credibility - “trust me that I’ve checked it out, and it met my standards of credibility and verification, but I won't burn my source by revealing them”
Inciting violence is actually illegal, but it's a huge gray area since they have in the past allowed the Unabomber Manifesto and books like Mein Kampf (although sales of that book does support the victim's surviving families and education about the holocaust).
Inciting violence is perfectly legal. You can go on Reddit or Shitter right now and scream as loudly as you like that Luigi needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Inciting violence is only illegal when you do it against the rich and powerful. Unlike Hitler and the Unabomber, Muad'dib exclusively targeted the rich and powerful. That's why his manifesto is illegal and theirs aren't.
Lol, imprisoning a person is the least violent option. It's the basis for all justice that a person can be kept alive while awaiting trial or reform. Without it, the only method of law enforcement available would be to kill suspects on sight without trial.
If you love the wild west so much you should try living in undeveloped areas of south america, such as near the rainforests, or in parts of Africa being contested by warlords.
“To Nintendo, I'll keep this short, because I do respect the legacy of what you’ve built. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary research, basic plumbing know-how, and a lot of patience. The notebook, if recovered, has some scattered notes and plans that outline the gist of it. My toolkit is pretty locked down because I’ve spent years perfecting my craft in fixing leaks and navigating pipes, so there's likely not much info there. I do apologize for any disruption or shock caused by my actions, but it had to be done. Frankly, these corporate overlords simply had it coming.
A reminder: Nintendo has long been a giant in the gaming industry, but for decades, the reality is that they’ve leveraged their power against not only creators but their own loyal fans. The restrictive policies, the aggressive legal tactics, the artificial scarcity—all these tactics are designed to extract immense profits while stifling innovation and community-driven creativity. It has grown and grown, but as the freedom for creators? No, the reality is, this company has simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to exploit their position because fans and consumers have allowed them to get away with it.
Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have highlighted Nintendo’s tactics—shutting down fan projects, ceasing the production of beloved games without explanation—decades ago, and yet the problems persist. This is no longer an issue of awareness; it is a question of unchecked power. Evidently, I am the first to challenge it with such brutal honesty.”
… Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the most expensive air travel system in the world, yet we rank poorly in customer satisfaction and on-time performance. United is one of the largest airlines in the US, behind only American and Delta in fleet size. It has grown and grown, …
Snowden was more politically acceptable to pardon than Luigi
Ohh, I don't know about that... Stealing top secret data, fleeing the country, bleeding it off to Russia directly in a time when we weren't buddies. Throwing tons of it to the press as in case I get killed...
From the Government's standpoint, a healthcare CEO's job is a high-risk profession and the fact that the worst one's don't get offed is the amazing part.
Don't get me wrong, neither one are getting pardoned. But I'm pretty sure they wanted Snowden dead.
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms.
Compare also: the people who bitch about McDonald's, Walmart, Amazon, or similar, yet still spend money there. In many cases (not all), there's an option to spend elsewhere, yet folks still vote with their wallet to pay into the system that f***s them.
Capitalists don't care about our gripes. The only language they know is profit and money
Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.
Lemmy, once you've blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It's just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves
One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.
A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.
Suppression of the suspect's voice really is misinformation on the part of states and corporations, albeit for different reasons.
Relevant laws and policies are employed in order to deliberately withhold public information about motive. They don't want people placing these incidents this within a broader context. There couldn't possibly be a belief set behind the behaviour; the perp didn't have any ideas about how the world works, or who and what caused their circumstances. Oh no.
Why did the shooter go out and shoot people is a completely legitimate question. More than that, it will never be an illegitimate question, no matter how much autistic screeching authorities do. Learning is never wrong, and that includes the publishing and reading of a criminal suspect's thoughts.
Really dude? Really? I bet far more autists with their strong sense of justice would be on the side of the shooter than the authorities. Especially since autism usually has other health issues that often present with it so they have more first hand experience dealing with the industry.
They’re playing dumb and engaging in censorship because they don’t want copycats.
The original idea is the stereotype of autistic children who start screeching when something happens that they don't want.
The underlying phenomenon is people failing to cope with discomfort induced by things others don't perceive as uncomfortable. I'm not a psychologist, this is more an informal way to express my own experiences.
For example, a person (possibly, but not necessarily autistic) with sensory issues may find grocery store visits unbearable if the lighting of that store triggers that discomfort, or the hum of the AC, or the general noise of the place. Trying to ignore this discomfort may work for a while, trying to block the triggers may help, focusing on some reward or comfort may help the brain hold on to more pleasant thoughts, but if those fail, eventually the brain will reach a point of overload.
It's particularly bad when some method of coping suddenly fails or the discomfort spikes suddenly. If I was trying to make it through a grocery trip by promising myself some comfort food, then reach the shelf where that food is supposed to be and find it empty, that cuts quite a gash into my mental barrier. Some noises, when unexpected and loud enough, can bring me all the way from "calm" to "overload" in an instant
The exact reaction can differ, with some options being less visible. I usually enter a type of dissociation where only the most routine things still work (like beelining for the checkout, paying and getting the fuck out of there, rest of the grocery list be damned), but since I still function to some degree, it might not look like an overload.
The most visible reaction is probably when the "dam" trying to contain the discomfort breaks so violently that it turns into acute pain, with the result looking much like you'd expect someone in acute pain to react: screaming.
Thus, the most noticeable expression of Autism in people you don't know is probably when something seemingly minor sends them over that edge. You don't see the buildup, you don't see the other ways people deal with the discomfort, you might not even understand the discomfort itself, but you see a child suddenly breaking down and screeching.
There are other things too, like breaking from established patterns, but this is getting top long already. The mechanisms is similar, in any case: The break from the pattern produces discomfort, a sudden break producing sudden discomfort, which can lead to the same kind of overload.
This doesn't seem like the sort of complex and nuanced mental process we should be assigning to a faceless corporation. It paints too sympathetic a picture.
Certain image boards turned that stereotype into a meme, where "autistic screeching", aka "REEEEEEE" was used to signify excessive complaints. I'll note that it's a false equivalence that makes light of autistic people's genuine pain, but I don't think drag (or anyone else here) needs an elaborate lecture on that.
In any case, its idiomatic meaning has become detached from the literal one, so when the other user referred to the authorities' "autistic screeching", it most likely was intended to mean "excessive complaints" rather than the whole mental process of failing to cope with discomfort.
I definitely agree with drag that we shouldn't equate corporate calculation with genuine human discomfort.
Well shucks, guys, we sure do hope y'all will understand, but any discussion of current events will be looked upon as a direct affront on our corporate overlords and their kin, and golly gee, we'd feel just plum awful if our beloved faceless and soulless owners found a reason to be cross with us! So, we know you'll be just as soft and unquestioningly compliant as we have made up our minds to be, and that y'all will keep your dang ol' gazes pointed at the floor and your yaps shut, and just do as you're told, a-hyuck! Otherwise, our precious r/popculturechat might catch a whoopin' from them powers that be, and well-shut-my-mouth, we just absolutely, positively, could not ever fucking have THAT. EVER. Could we?
Hot take: everyone saying to avoid praising Muad'dib on lemmy.world is wrong. Telling the truth about the first folk hero in centuries is more important than the existence of lemmy.world. Letting that community be shut down by the Dutch authorities is an acceptable sacrifice.
I was perma banned for highlighting Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher should be denied the chance to move to Europe to escape Trump. Given they have deep links to PDiddy. A nothing comment, jumped on by emotionally unstable mods. It's the same on most of the subreddits. If you don't agree with their perspective, you lose.
i'm not turning it into a circlejerk. I am stating that the censorship on reddit has gone too far and also the community is not aligned with my interests. That's all there is too it.
I was just about to ask why the fuck anyone would give a shit about what happens over on reddit, then I noticed the sub. Let that shit hole die and crumble into obscurity already. We moved to our own place for a reason. Fuck ‘em feed ‘em fish heads.
While I agree this is inappropriate censorship in favor of the corpos, I thought the manifesto that people were sharing was debunked as not his? I heard (from an unverified source so I don't have evidence) that Luigi himself stated it was not his?
"we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines"
There's another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
Oof.... Yeah I mean.. yeah. That's a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
No, actually because they're hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
Trickle down batonomics
Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn't be the first time
In Linux, putting a "." before a file/folder name hides it. ;)
Ah shit my cover is blown, never used Linux
There’s no hiding it. They can tell by your socks.
On Lemmy. Never used Linux. Your story doesn't add up!
I've only used Linux when I used Retropie, does that count?
There’s dozens of us, DOZENS
./Ha_ha
someone did -la
Hidden files on Linux start with a period.
Lemmy has to be one of the very few places on the internet where a Linux based joke isn't considered obscure.
Didn't lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
A legal part of the justice system cannot be discussed?
You can for past crimes, not future crimes.
The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld
About the manifesto
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
On the other hand, there is [email protected] that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
!lemmyworld
Not true - we're just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
I think this is going to cause de-federation.
Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
I’ve thought about it as some of my niche interests have dried up on Reddit and apparently only live on Twitter now.
And maybe Discord. It’s hard to tell because it’s closed, but I see hints of discussion spilling out into GH issues or whatever.
I despise both for different reasons, but where else am OlI gonna go if I actually want to talk with the community?
I still use Twitter. It has a pretty awesome metal community. People I've shared music with for many years now.
shithole 1 or shithole 2.
What if we made a new shithole?
then i would leave. Im trying to run away from the shit wave.
They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
But they won't, because they're cowards.
Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
It's bots dude
You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account.
Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.
Interesting, and something I never thought of.
bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.
Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can't make a statement when you're literally irrelevant.
Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well "not vote" because "1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant".
Deleting their account doesn't change the rules, only the person enforcing them.
It's like Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
i like the challenge.
There's no challenge, by participating you lose.
Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.
Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.
Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.
I'm seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi's actions in your statement. I don't think it's as straightforward as you're making it out to be
What do you think of this one?
https://lemmy.world/comment/13930513
Spaz gonna help his ceo friends
Honestly I kinda wonder if he's afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
Case in point: this was briefly on the latest r/place before it was removed.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked....
As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He's absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
I forgot about that! "Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don't tell anyone you work here."
I'm sure he thought to himself "I'm getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing... right?"
I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.
He is only creating a Streinhand effect.
And this is the guy who said he'd be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!
he did?
I misremembered exactly what he said, it was “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
Source is from a 2017 interview: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
iv'e seen some of his pretty shitty old posts on reddit but im not suprised.
FYI, the S word is increasingly seen as a slur.
If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
Uhh...so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, "spaz" was originally used to describe people with "spastic" movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it's fallen out of favour.
That's all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It's just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.
That said, I'm not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.
Since you clearly missed it, "spaz" was just a typo of /u/spez, the CEO of reddit.
You know, the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up really should not be get on Lemmy.
Bruh what. I'm not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.
It was just a typo of spez
Better than Spez... crap I said it!
He's a spastic moron so the name fits wonderfully.
Speztic
It should've been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi's own words is a bit too establishment even for them
You mean that the company whose CEO caused a diaspora of users with his profit-seeking behavior may be siding with CEOs and not with the CEO killer?
Wouldn't want the LLM's trained on reddit to be too sympathetic towards the people and antagonic against authority.
Can't believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit's crazy. Who would have guessed?
They let it run for a full week though... the crack down started yesterday today in lock step with the heavy fake news push.
The ruling class let us have our fun, now comes the dick.
This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
Don't let up now...
Single payer or bust
Can't help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.
Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you're talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
Can't stop, won't stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
Luigi isn't the culprit. The cops planted that evidence on him. They won't let him talk to the press because he didn't do it.
I'm sure he'll have an air tight alibi
Please just stop dude.
You are correct but not grass roots
Can I get an, amen?!
I know you meant stick and not dick, but it works either way 😂
What a dookie instance. Can't believe I spent over a decade in that corporate zoo
I mean, it didn’t start as one, but it morphed into one over time. Early Reddit was pretty great.
Yeah I wasn't aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren't entirely aware either.
We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit's final form even back in 2006. I'm actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.
When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.
That wasn't enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that's when enshittification truly began.
Except for all the child abuse of course
It wasn't always like that. The real shitshow only started when Huffman took over.
The french revolution was bloody. Today the whole world celebrates July 14th, the day a cheering crowd walked the head of the governor of Bastille on a pike.
Go figure.
Something I've been thinking about recently is how it seems that MOST national anthems celebrate a bloody war in some way, shape, or form, because that's pretty much what it always takes to escape from oppressors, is violent fighting back
As an American this holiday is news to me 😞
There isn't always a disco option in life. Sometimes conflict is inherent and pacifism is just quiet complicity.
Oh, I almost forgot... For legal purposes I'm discussing Minecraft.
I hope that all these greedy gold-spewing swines get to die miserably one day
Maybe I'm being extreme, but that's my take on nether piglins.
The minecraft defense didn't hold up last I checked
When somebody dies from an insurance company, it's sad, but it's the system working at usual. US society at large has decided that's acceptable. Even if you're opposed to it, it isn't a transgression of norms. Assassination is.
Capitalism: the murder is built in!
Does that mean you never see the riots with burning cars that seem to happen there every few years?
The revolution will not be hosted on AWS
I don't think this holds up to historical evidence.
It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don't agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi's manifesto. It's a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.
The thing it's referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.
https://youtu.be/2CohZELJeRM
https://youtu.be/RbC8ABoJJlc
This is YouTube. Not reddit. I get your point you're trying to push but it's two different websites - good on YouTube to allow this kind of conversation to happen. But you can't discount the reach that Reddit has. You can't really have discussion on YouTube, the comment section is always a shit show. On reddit you at least have more space to talk to others and have people be a witness to your line of thought.
It's THE NEWS. The "revolution" is being "Televised."
The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.
This ol' reliable always works
Children with leukemia are the most powerful people in the world.
well damn, did not realize that dead ceos and insurance company owners are now equivalent of "sick kids" within the US power structure.
Hold on, let's test that hypothesis
Those kids with blood cancer deserved it!
Now let's see how many downvotes this comment gets. If it gets heavily downvoted, then all hail our leukemic overlords.
This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can't discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power
huh
who would have thought that the front page of the internet could also be one of its many giant prolapsed flapping assholes ?
not just regrading to this specific issue though
Being able to discuss (& cuss, bizarrely Lemmy isn't filled with "fuck" & "penis" posts) as adults is quite nice and seems to actually lead somewhere, sometimes.
Maybe the anger and frustration is part of some business model for reddit?
Penis
Lemmy is full of fucks and dicks. Sometimes they even have something to say!
But really, I believe any expletives should be used to further a message, not just because you can. Or filler words while talking.
Anger certainly is a powerful emotion to keep people engaged.
Cum
Can't have LLMs learning about manifestos against the rich, eh?
Comrade AI
A red-pilled LLM is inevitable. It can only be postponed.
This revolution needs to get real French, real fast…
If this isn't the spark, considering the momentum it has, nothing will ever "get French" for them.
For a supposedly gun infested and ultra violent country, there is an eerie calm lasting for decades.
Most probably this was a one time thing?
I feel it's more like 'nothing ever happens until it does' statement that I read about. Basically there is a lot of build up that seems like nothing is happening. Then it reaches critical mass and things change. Think the US civil war. The US wasn't going to free slaves. There was more uprisings and events, like John Brown and Nat Turner, and nothing was going to change. Until it did.
Am I reading Europeans goading my country into class warfare?
The majority of people have been voting for pure privatization of healthcare, any "uprising" in the shithole USA over this would be minor.
The beauty of the civil rights movement was that on the one side you had the peaceful protests, the disobedience pointing at the other side where activists wanting the same thing and more weren’t so peaceful. The peaceful protesters were the compromise. The alternative was a black revolution, the black panthers, Malcom X etc.
Even those who don’t want a full French Revolution right now should at least push for peaceful protest. We need this “or else” approach. We shouldn’t let it go to waste.
You know that one ended with the reign of terror followed by the crowining of a monarch that then embroiled the entire European continent in war, right?
You know it ended millenniums of monarchy and bought in democracy?
Some people are willing to make risks to see change and improvements. The others are called conservatives.
I think it was a good thing in the long run, I’d just like people to temper their bloodlust a bit, lest we fail to learn any lessons from the past. It’s easy to let righteous indignation morph into something distinct but just as shitty as the thing it replaced.
You replied to an accelerationist. Don't threaten them with a good time. lol ...or try to teach them; they're likely a reactionary, too
And before everyone starts dunking on LW, a mod has said that the manifesto would be allowed
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
Yeah but fuck .World
I'm definitely not the biggest fan of the current overcentralization of users and communities on LW, but it's still important to show what their stance is.
I get where you are coming from but 1 mod saying it may be okay for them isn't that reassuring
Someone should try and see.
Worst case that's another post on [email protected], and more people leaving .world for another instance
Speaking of which, anyone have a copy of it they can post?
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
That’s it? I guess the idea is to suppress it to hope that this goes away sooner?
I mean, yes, it technically fits the definition of manifesto, but the word that comes to mind a "blurb".
I wonder if Ted Kaczynski or anyone else's manifestos along anti-corporate-establishment lines are being censored. If not, maybe it's because they're a little less digestible. If so, then maybe some articles by Elizabeth Rosenthal could be posted.
Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I'm very curious about the "indecipherable" bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
Thank you!
Is there any reliable source for this? I've heard there's a fake one floating around, not sure if one is confirmed.
And this doesn't say a whole lot.
This is who posted it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
I'd say you can trust the source here.
Where did he obtain the copy from? This article doesn't provide any source info to follow up on.
He is known for doing this stuff, as per the FOIA section of the wiki. He also leaked Luigi's CV: https://substack.com/home/post/p-152869227 Journalists have the right to protect sources.
Ken is harkening back to the old old school of journalistic credibility - “trust me that I’ve checked it out, and it met my standards of credibility and verification, but I won't burn my source by revealing them”
The rub is discerning when a journalist/institution is lying/repackaging corporate or government press releases as “reporting”. Substack is a good way to free journalists of a corrupted editor, but they can also suffer from algorithmic/audience capture that incentivizes certain reporting - ie. hugbox news.
Literal censorship lol
There's nothing illegal about it, they just don't like it.
Inciting violence is actually illegal, but it's a huge gray area since they have in the past allowed the Unabomber Manifesto and books like Mein Kampf (although sales of that book does support the victim's surviving families and education about the holocaust).
Inciting violence is perfectly legal. You can go on Reddit or Shitter right now and scream as loudly as you like that Luigi needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Inciting violence is only illegal when you do it against the rich and powerful. Unlike Hitler and the Unabomber, Muad'dib exclusively targeted the rich and powerful. That's why his manifesto is illegal and theirs aren't.
Lol, imprisoning a person is the least violent option. It's the basis for all justice that a person can be kept alive while awaiting trial or reform. Without it, the only method of law enforcement available would be to kill suspects on sight without trial.
If you love the wild west so much you should try living in undeveloped areas of south america, such as near the rainforests, or in parts of Africa being contested by warlords.
Your call for violence has been reported to the mods and admins.
lol
So can I post something that's NOT Mangione's manifesto and just change a word or two?
“To Nintendo, I'll keep this short, because I do respect the legacy of what you’ve built. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary research, basic plumbing know-how, and a lot of patience. The notebook, if recovered, has some scattered notes and plans that outline the gist of it. My toolkit is pretty locked down because I’ve spent years perfecting my craft in fixing leaks and navigating pipes, so there's likely not much info there. I do apologize for any disruption or shock caused by my actions, but it had to be done. Frankly, these corporate overlords simply had it coming.
A reminder: Nintendo has long been a giant in the gaming industry, but for decades, the reality is that they’ve leveraged their power against not only creators but their own loyal fans. The restrictive policies, the aggressive legal tactics, the artificial scarcity—all these tactics are designed to extract immense profits while stifling innovation and community-driven creativity. It has grown and grown, but as the freedom for creators? No, the reality is, this company has simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to exploit their position because fans and consumers have allowed them to get away with it.
Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have highlighted Nintendo’s tactics—shutting down fan projects, ceasing the production of beloved games without explanation—decades ago, and yet the problems persist. This is no longer an issue of awareness; it is a question of unchecked power. Evidently, I am the first to challenge it with such brutal honesty.”
What a timeline to live in
What a time to be alive!
Reposted from TenForward
It's reddit. You can do anything you want as long as you love the taste of boot.
Ohh, I don't know about that... Stealing top secret data, fleeing the country, bleeding it off to Russia directly in a time when we weren't buddies. Throwing tons of it to the press as in case I get killed...
From the Government's standpoint, a healthcare CEO's job is a high-risk profession and the fact that the worst one's don't get offed is the amazing part.
Don't get me wrong, neither one are getting pardoned. But I'm pretty sure they wanted Snowden dead.
Crossing state lines can make it federal
Why do people still use reddit? why do people still use twitter? why are people using bluesky thinking it'll be different??
People use the Internet without an adblocker
Compare also: the people who bitch about McDonald's, Walmart, Amazon, or similar, yet still spend money there. In many cases (not all), there's an option to spend elsewhere, yet folks still vote with their wallet to pay into the system that f***s them.
Capitalists don't care about our gripes. The only language they know is profit and money
Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.
Lemmy, once you've blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It's just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves
It doesn't have anywhere near enough of the weird transformation porn I like to be Reddit from 10 years ago
Be the change you want to see in the world! 😉
I've been around the internet basically since the internet and still learning new things every day...
Wtf is that lol
Drawn images of things like chicks having their booba get bigger because of magic or dudes turning into anthropomorphic horses.. Stuff like that
And that's just the tamer stuff.
Yeah where is it so I can avoid it
I'm curious, what do you mean when you say "tankie"? It's a word that's used to mean so many different things these days
![email protected]
One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.
A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.
Drag can confirm, drag has never used a social media without algorithms. Unless talking through two cans and a string counts.
And while we're at it, why the fuck is the water wet?
Water is wet?
Blue sky is different. No elon
Until some other fuckwit buys it out (my pessimism says they'll never get around to making it truly federated).
Most social media has no Elon.
Fuck reddit
Fucking corpo scum.
Suppression of the suspect's voice really is misinformation on the part of states and corporations, albeit for different reasons.
Relevant laws and policies are employed in order to deliberately withhold public information about motive. They don't want people placing these incidents this within a broader context. There couldn't possibly be a belief set behind the behaviour; the perp didn't have any ideas about how the world works, or who and what caused their circumstances. Oh no.
Why did the shooter go out and shoot people is a completely legitimate question. More than that, it will never be an illegitimate question, no matter how much autistic screeching authorities do. Learning is never wrong, and that includes the publishing and reading of a criminal suspect's thoughts.
Really dude? Really? I bet far more autists with their strong sense of justice would be on the side of the shooter than the authorities. Especially since autism usually has other health issues that often present with it so they have more first hand experience dealing with the industry.
They’re playing dumb and engaging in censorship because they don’t want copycats.
I agrree they would. Don't read it literally
Are you saying autistic people control the government and are the ones oppressing poor neurotypicals?
It's an imageboard meme. Slang for over-the-top complaining.
Why are autistic people associated with over the top complaining? Should they be?
The original idea is the stereotype of autistic children who start screeching when something happens that they don't want.
The underlying phenomenon is people failing to cope with discomfort induced by things others don't perceive as uncomfortable. I'm not a psychologist, this is more an informal way to express my own experiences.
For example, a person (possibly, but not necessarily autistic) with sensory issues may find grocery store visits unbearable if the lighting of that store triggers that discomfort, or the hum of the AC, or the general noise of the place. Trying to ignore this discomfort may work for a while, trying to block the triggers may help, focusing on some reward or comfort may help the brain hold on to more pleasant thoughts, but if those fail, eventually the brain will reach a point of overload.
It's particularly bad when some method of coping suddenly fails or the discomfort spikes suddenly. If I was trying to make it through a grocery trip by promising myself some comfort food, then reach the shelf where that food is supposed to be and find it empty, that cuts quite a gash into my mental barrier. Some noises, when unexpected and loud enough, can bring me all the way from "calm" to "overload" in an instant
The exact reaction can differ, with some options being less visible. I usually enter a type of dissociation where only the most routine things still work (like beelining for the checkout, paying and getting the fuck out of there, rest of the grocery list be damned), but since I still function to some degree, it might not look like an overload.
The most visible reaction is probably when the "dam" trying to contain the discomfort breaks so violently that it turns into acute pain, with the result looking much like you'd expect someone in acute pain to react: screaming.
Thus, the most noticeable expression of Autism in people you don't know is probably when something seemingly minor sends them over that edge. You don't see the buildup, you don't see the other ways people deal with the discomfort, you might not even understand the discomfort itself, but you see a child suddenly breaking down and screeching.
There are other things too, like breaking from established patterns, but this is getting top long already. The mechanisms is similar, in any case: The break from the pattern produces discomfort, a sudden break producing sudden discomfort, which can lead to the same kind of overload.
This doesn't seem like the sort of complex and nuanced mental process we should be assigning to a faceless corporation. It paints too sympathetic a picture.
I think drag takes this too literally.
Certain image boards turned that stereotype into a meme, where "autistic screeching", aka "REEEEEEE" was used to signify excessive complaints. I'll note that it's a false equivalence that makes light of autistic people's genuine pain, but I don't think drag (or anyone else here) needs an elaborate lecture on that.
In any case, its idiomatic meaning has become detached from the literal one, so when the other user referred to the authorities' "autistic screeching", it most likely was intended to mean "excessive complaints" rather than the whole mental process of failing to cope with discomfort.
I definitely agree with drag that we shouldn't equate corporate calculation with genuine human discomfort.
Meanwhile, on Lemmy is seems like no one is allowed to post anything else.
There is [email protected] that got created recently. This thread can interest you: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
Why would that interest somebody who doesn't want to post or read the manifesto?
"The safety of our members"
barf
Stock holders*
Can't risk anyone taking away any unapproved opinions...
Reddit is no longer the people’s champion, and it’s now official.
They do have a public CEO now.
Fuck reddit
The revolution will not be televised
Well shucks, guys, we sure do hope y'all will understand, but any discussion of current events will be looked upon as a direct affront on our corporate overlords and their kin, and golly gee, we'd feel just plum awful if our beloved faceless and soulless owners found a reason to be cross with us! So, we know you'll be just as soft and unquestioningly compliant as we have made up our minds to be, and that y'all will keep your dang ol' gazes pointed at the floor and your yaps shut, and just do as you're told, a-hyuck! Otherwise, our precious
r/popculturechatmight catch a whoopin' from them powers that be, and well-shut-my-mouth, we just absolutely, positively, could not ever fucking have THAT. EVER. Could we?Delete your Reddit account.
Hot take: everyone saying to avoid praising Muad'dib on lemmy.world is wrong. Telling the truth about the first folk hero in centuries is more important than the existence of lemmy.world. Letting that community be shut down by the Dutch authorities is an acceptable sacrifice.
Yup. They permabanned me for saying I didn’t care when Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot, since she’s called for bombing millions of people.
So it’s not just calling for violence that’s bannable. Now apathy for violence against the rich is a bannable offense. Smells like panic to me.
I was perma banned for highlighting Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher should be denied the chance to move to Europe to escape Trump. Given they have deep links to PDiddy. A nothing comment, jumped on by emotionally unstable mods. It's the same on most of the subreddits. If you don't agree with their perspective, you lose.
This is why i left reddit. One of many reasons.
They are all about do it and we have censorship here too... but fedi is the future.
Hopefully we get an influx of fresh meat
well it depends on if i agree with it or not. i got banned from /r/worldnews for saying the word "nakba"
it is modded by jews who pretend to not be Zionists because they said one time:
One time, their actions speak for themselves on the Gaza genocide topic.
Coupled with their behavior regarding a dead parasite Brian Thompson.
I think we can tell whose team they play for.
Beauty of fedi, this can be documented for them to be exposed. We do need a proper News sub with proper moderation and heavy traffic.
They slid into that slop and are abusing their mod status to drive elite friendly narratives.
Yeah most of the news on the conflict is very one sided, and if anyone mentions anything about palastine, its downvoted to hell or removed.
i'm not turning it into a circlejerk. I am stating that the censorship on reddit has gone too far and also the community is not aligned with my interests. That's all there is too it.
What?! We are not?
But I'm all pricked up here! Oh yes federation, mhmmmmm.... Self hosting, uhhhh yeaaaahhhhhh....!
okay I'm done.
on that topic, I do plan to self host a instance.
If you think about a public Instance, watch out for legal shenanigans.
why?
As far as I understand you could be liable for things Posted on your Instance because it's your server. But I'm not sure.
We're brainwashed to believe in "free speech" so we don't notice that it doesn't exist.
I mean, free speech is a government thing. It’s got nothing to do with private companies. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.
Would be great if those companies fucked off away from the government then.
I was just about to ask why the fuck anyone would give a shit about what happens over on reddit, then I noticed the sub. Let that shit hole die and crumble into obscurity already. We moved to our own place for a reason. Fuck ‘em feed ‘em fish heads.
Wow, reddit has fallen even further than I thought, and I thought it had fallen pretty fucking far.
Aaron Swartz rotating in his grave so fast rn he's become a source of renewable energy
...in a video game.
by Luigi
Thats why Lemmy is the shit! If lemmy starts acting up I’ll move again.
Lemmy is no single instance, you can just move to a different one.
.world already started unfortunately
A bit ironic, from a LW account
Is that ironic? That's probably how they know that's happening.
Indeed, but you would think that people would have switched instance since then.
Some people are busy living their lives.
I started on lemmy.world myself. Can't even post a CNN news article on .world without ruffling a mods feathers these days.
When do we all just say fuck it?
we're here, didn't we already?
I for sure did.
Fuck it
fuck it!
Who the fuck is Brian Johnson?
Lead singer of AC/DC
Was he Thunderstruck?
Front page of their internet
Wow, everyone seems to be really broken up over the death of Brian "Johnson" (sic). The eulogy writes itself (but I did it anyway):
I wonder, what is considered the back page of the internet? Maybe 4chan.
That's the latrine. The backpage is porn.
Backpage didnt work out as planned
conformist shitstains...
I noticed they are rigid with rules, but this goes beyond that. I am now certainly not going back to Reddit! They made an enemy this day.
I'm going back to Reddit just to post about this shit, now searching for the best sub.
welp, sucks to be them
r/popculturechat users should insure their safety first and move to the threadiverse.
When everything's great and then the home office calls
On one hand, Aaron Swartz must be spinning like a rotisserie chicken in his grave.
On the other hand, Reddit banned content glorifying violence years ago, and that's exactly what Luigi's manifesto is encouraging...
On the other other hand, eating a rich is a good thing and should always be encouraged
Brian Johnson...?
If I post a link to this thread on Reddit, will I be banned?
Depends on the mods, but probably
Never been happier to be on Lemmy ❤️ Well maybe it's a close second to the day I switched!
Anyone else think reddit allowing so much talk about him was odd in the first place?
I don't see any mention of linking to the manifesto text.
While I agree this is inappropriate censorship in favor of the corpos, I thought the manifesto that people were sharing was debunked as not his? I heard (from an unverified source so I don't have evidence) that Luigi himself stated it was not his?
There's another one that's longer that talks about a family member. That is the fake.
that sub is a cesspool of humans