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asklemmy·Ask LemmybyBlisterexe

What's your favorite example of a non-nazi dog whistle?

Basically just something people say that indicates a position indirectly, like how seperatists from a given region might always say they're from [region] and not [country] or how trump supporters call AI "SI" now.

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one shibboleth i noticed is that any mention of "race" strongly indicates that the person speaking is American, especially if it's conflated with nationalities. "I'm [number]% [nationality]", any use of "mixed race", and stuff like "I can drink a lot of beer because I'm German" or "this recipe offends me as an Italian" are dead giveaways (and quite racist in my humble opinion)

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Not quite related but in a lovecraft book “mountains of madness” I think…

He mentions a “war of resubjegation” which I loved. One phrase tells a story. There was a slave revolt. If the slaves won it would be called “war of freedom” or “the rebellion”

War of re-subjugation lets you know how that war ended.

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lemmy.world

I always throw an occasional “streets ahead” in my conversation just to see if they’re a Community watcher. Most of the people around me are streets behind, though.

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They may be a community watcher, or they may be British. Further investigation required.

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I'm a self proclaimed crazy cat lady. I also work in a field that has a lot of interaction with the police. I used to have a pin attached to my work badge that said "All Cats Are Beautiful".

What? I just love cats ;)

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lemmy.world

I'll contribute. I refer to my wife as my "partner".

People on the left just continue conversation no problem. People on the right pause and you can see the wheels turning.

I'm a white not very masculine male.

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Blisterexereply
lemmy.zip

Very good example, thank you, whenever someone says "partner" I immediately assume they're at least somewhat woke.

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I'm from Texas, so it works both ways... Pardner hat tip 🤠

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pHr34kYreply
lemmy.world

The first time a friend referred to me wife as my "partner", I questioned his choice of words because he was well aware that I'm not gay.

Like, I would still just carry on in convo, but if I hear "partner", I make a mental note that they're gay. The correlation has close to a 100% hit rate.

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quokk.au

Hetero people who don't believe in marriage and/or don't like husband/wife titles sometimes use titles like partner too because girlfriend/boyfriend doesn't sound serious enough I guess. Common amongst my social circle but I get why it's usually a dog whistle.

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lime!reply
feddit.nu

"partner" sounds like you're lawyers. just make up a word, or take one from another language. we use "sambo".

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Dude municipal compost is fucking amazing.

Trash doesn't smell anymore.

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zolofttreply
lemmy.world

Gawd but he NAILED me. Listening to Wait Wait and rasing chickens. Which are, btw, fantastic for making compost.

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piefed.social

They're also good for making sure no food ever goes to waste. They eat anything and turn it into eggs. Gotta love yard birds.

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RIGHT? It either goes to the dogs or the birds. It's fantastic.

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fedia.io

Not so much a position as preferences and experiences, but the words people use to describe elements of music can often give away what they either enjoy or play. If you call a rhythm a beat, you're probably into electronic or hip hop. If you refer to a song's chord progression as "the changes," you must like jazz. If you use Italian words (outside of Italy I guess!) to talk about tempo and dynamics, you were either in an orchestra or fondly remember that one time at band camp. If a phrase is a "strain," you should get your lungs checked out. If the bridge is the "middle eight," get a colonoscopy while you're at it.

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Skullgridreply
lemmy.world

What happens if you ask for a double bass pedal at a practice room?

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lemmy.zip

When someone professes their love for reading, they’re insinuating that those who do not read are necessarily below them on the cognitive ladder.

At least that’s how my disdainful mind works.

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No more so than any other hobby. If someone tells me they like fishing I don’t assume they think less of me because I don’t fish… actually maybe they do now that I think about it lol bad example.

But like sewing, or poker, it’s just mentioning a hobby.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I can think of some sex ones I've heard of.

A "snow white" is some kind of deranged sex thing for a girl i can't remember... It is probably really bad though.

Also one place i was had furries who hung different color flags on their belt, it was pretty subtle but apparently it was a signal about what kind of sex things they were into. Someone told me that.

Also I've heard that long ago in hawai'i if you had a flower behind your right ear it meant one thing, and behind your other ear it meant another thing.

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hung different color flags on their belt

Back in my day it was those jelly bracelets.

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lemmy.world

Bulshit. Some of us cannibals understand rich people taste far better than poor people.

Joke aside which of the two groups do you place Motörhead in?

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Yew
lemmy.world

The voters pamphlet was full of them. "Common sense family values" means they hate trans/gays. "Law and order" means they support ICE. "Activist judges have gone too far" means they want to be an activist judge but for the other side of the issue.

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zolofttreply
lemmy.world

Argued with someone that their use of "common sense" was a dog whistle... Sure enough, their next line was about the "family vote"....

This was in response to a Trans Rights comment chain. Like wtf is the "family vote"? Trans people have families too.

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Family vote = man of the house votes and women don't vote anymore. No, they don't acknowledge anything other than the stereotypical husband, wife, and 2.5 children as deserving a vote.

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ITT people talking about Nazi dog whistles

I was voting and one of the people I looked up for judge had “EMPATHY” as a big point for her, considering a lot on the right have said empathy is bad/a weakness/the problem and judges are supposed to be nonpartisan I considered it to be a dog whistle. She also had a lot of good stuff in her background but having EMPATHY in big bold letters seemed purposeful

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fedia.io

Are those dog whistles? I think of dog whistles as conveying a specific message to those in the know.

The examples you gave seem more like shibboleths - something that can be used to identify or rule out being part of an identity group.

Calling taiwan "taiwan" instead of china marks the speaker as not from the PRC, but it doesn't send a specific message the way that republicans would say "welfare cheats" when they meant "black people", trusting their base understands.

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Blisterexereply
lemmy.zip

Yeah you're right I did mean shibboleths, just didn't know the term, sorry, should I edit the post?

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Hegarreply
fedia.io

Yeah, as @[email protected] said, the meaning is clear.

It's such a fun word and i think it's such a neat concept, but it's annoying to use in a title cause it's quite a rare word. But i find that once there's a name for it, it's way easier to notice it, so i like to mention it.

Where i live we pronounce couch st and schuyler st as cooch and skyler, and the police dept is the police bureau. Not knowing these things is used as a shibboleth that marks visiters.

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lemmy.zip

My favorite example is how francophone leftists or those who dislike america will call americans "USians". (Américain -> États-Unien)

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Mantzy81reply
aussie.zone

I call people from the US that as I respect the other nations in the Americas who are also Americans - from Chilean people to Canadian. All American. Neither of them USian.

But, I do also hate US Defaultism because it shows a lack of knowledge/understanding/awareness which only plays into the stereotypes that people from the US are stupid and ignorant. Which I think is disparaging to (some of) them, and they could show they aren't by being using self-aware language. Hence, "USian" . It's like how "woke" originated too - i.e. "awake" to institutional bigotry.

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pawb.social

No one but those from the US claim the term "American". Canadians do not want to be called American, and everyone else speaks a whole different language, and they prefer to be referred to by their county as well

It's not US defaultism, it's like calling someone from China Asian, or worse Oriental. It's not woke, no one will thank you for calling them by a label you've assigned to them as an outsider

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It's only ever done online, if you're taking to people irl, it's obvious via context. But online is global so it makes sense to talk in a global sense.

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gdog05reply
lemmy.world

I have tried to start using US Americans but have used USians in the past for brevity. For the same reasons, though.

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I've started using "USA" and "USA citizens". They're not the only united states or the only Americans.

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Blisterexereply
lemmy.zip

I do agree that American defaultism only hurts them, but at least in english it's rare enough that saying "American" doesn't count as US defaultism imo, I'm in Québec and I'd say at least 20% of people here say that.

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piefed.social

yeah someone was talking to me like. well its not the name. the name is the united states of america. and im like. well its the republic of ireland but people just call it ireland. lots of countries have a sorta descritive official name with elements of what it is.

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Broadfernreply
lemmy.world

Ehhhh I’m an anglophone USian, and use “USian”. Am leftist though so maybe you’re onto something lol

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Blisterexereply
lemmy.zip

I've never heard someone say that irl, although I have seen it on lemmy, but I've heard tons of people say the french equivalent irl, which is why I said it was francophones. It is based to say it in english though.

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lemmy.world

I don't know French very well, but it seems like it works better, grammatically speaking, in French than in English.

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Yes 100%, it's incredibly clunky in english but in french it's just as nice to say as the "American"

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lime!reply
feddit.nu

what a strange assumption to make.

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Blisterexereply
lemmy.zip

Well, those were the stated reasons of everyone I asked.

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wait, literally? you asked "why do you say 'usian'" and they've responded "je hateux vouz guys"? i've always used terms like that because "american" seems too broad. i use "north/central/south" american" when referring to larger divisions, and us american when talking about the country specifically.

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sopuli.xyz

I usually call them the Cheeseburger people from Burgerstan

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i honestly took it as word play. I do word play all the time so I don't think to deep about anything. maybe im dog whistling as I use trump for shit, ass, fuck and I have been considering adding cunt.

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"If you know what I mean 😉" is probably the most common one.

No, Frank, exactly what is it that you feel uncomfortable saying but forces you to make everyone else think it?

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lemmy.world

There’s no point in non-nazis using dog whistles when the right has made a cottage industry of convincing themselves that every innocuous phrase like “happy holidays” is a left-wing dog whistle anyway.

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Yeah. Maybe a lot of people skimmed the headline and thought it said "neo-nazi" instead of "non-nazi"?

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lemmy.zip

I think the prequel trilogy is better than the original trilogy is just a dog whistle for not listening to someone talk about Star Wars.

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I like a very specific cross section of Starwars. Lightsaber design, force powers, droids, mandalorian lore. That is the standard I judge by and that puts the cartoon, prequals, and Solo movie above the originals.

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lemmy.world

"This neighborhood is great. It feels like what Long Island used to be."

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lawn guylanders often tawk in a way that, like a dawg whistle, can only be heard by other lawn guylanders. you really have to listen for it, it's subtle!

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Took me a minute to realise what "dog whistle" meant and it made me think about how on Ted Lasso, Roy just yells "whistle" as opposed to blowing one.

"Family values" can mean anything from hating gays, hating women who aren't rushing to squeeze out kids, basically anything that goes against the productive/nuclear family, to them — to the rest of us it's just that people should have a choice.

I don't see a lot of Americans talking up their Second Amendment anymore? I guess because they all sat back and let fascists take over, they can't really say their guns are defending them against tyranny. Funny how that played out.

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My parents used to (probably still do) call black people “the element”.

Like, “this was a safe neighborhood until the element moved in.”

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feddit.nu

those little metal ones from the pet shop. they indicate your position indirectly in that whoever is trying to find you needs to use a dog.

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"I'm not saying [group of people] shouldn't be allowed to exist! I support [group of people]! I'm just concerned about…"

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“I’m from Northern Virginia”

Sorry - it’s all I can think of after your example…

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