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fedinsfw.app

In the same way I feel bad for all the women out that had to put up with conversations about crypto for the last decade, the astrology for dudes

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gibmiserreply
lemmy.world

Hmm this gives me an idea...

Ladies, who would like to invest in your sign? The of course you will have to compete for investments against the other birth signs I also represent...

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fooreply

And, just like that, Astrocoin was born.

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Rothereply
piefed.social

I have no idea why you are bringing racism into this.

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starikreply
lemmy.today

It’s ok to be casually racist against white people because it’s “punching up”. Which implies white people are superior. Which is racist against non-whites wait…

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Cassreply
piefed.blahaj.zone

... that's like saying billionaires are superior, because you punch up at them. It's not about being better, it's about privilege.

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lemmy.world

rich white men are privileged.

poor whites, are not privileged.

and there are way more poor white people than rich white people.

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whoisearthreply
lemmy.ca

Poor whites are still white. Yes they're still privilege

Edit - at this point 4 downvotes. 4 white people need to pull theirs heads out their ass

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cool, go trade places with a poor white boy in louisana and see how much 'privilege' that life brings.

I'm sure you will love the lack of education, economic opportunity, and the backwards culture you're brought up in that you can't escape.

oh, you don't want ot make that trade? gee, maybe because you're more privileged than they are...

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To my understanding white isn't really a race.

We kind of just like... pick and choose who ever we want to consider white.

I suspect if I went around saying Russians are white people like Americans like South Africans, and like French people. Many people would give me the: 🤨

Finally. These are some of my favorite kind of white girls.

I prefer dark hair but I am a sucker for pale skin.

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cinoreusreply
lemmy.world

I remember when in my undergrad almost my entire class spent their entire second year learning about blockchain and attending events related to it, and I was proud of myself for playing videogames all day instead. Nobody even talks about blockchain anymore. It's a waste of compute, and most things built on top of it are a grift. There must be some useful cases, but none I can think of. Maybe someone with more experience in Industry can.

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lemmy.world

This might be controversial but hear me out:

The idea of an international independent currency that can be made use of anonymously and therefore not controlled by anyone is a great idea.

Most smaller coins are just scams, reimplementing the same protocols that earlier schemes did and eventually adopting a clear pump & dump characteristic.

However, I personally believe that bigger coins like etherium that don't fold as quickly and stick around are genuinely a good idea.

Moreover, there's use cases where transactions are tracked for different systems, for example tracking an interconnected energy grid and usage of households.

And then you also have to consider that block-chains themselves can just be used to keep a fulsome record of something, with the main goal of decentralizing control over that record. I'm sure there will be quite a few use cases for it that make more sense and it's quite a shame the stigma of crypto got attached to it.

If you wanna learn more about how block chains are actually researched, you have to dive into academic publications, but then you will find out scientists have a very different vision for this technology which is way more useful. And for the sake of actual science, I hope they don't get buried under the stigma of crypto, because oftentimes these are just very smart people with lots of passion for something that they genuinely see value in.

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Goodeye8reply
piefed.social

First of all, it's not guaranteed that it'll say "not controlled by anyone". For example the arms race of something like bitcoin mining leads to mining becoming unprofitable to anyone not building massive mining farms. The efficiency of mining leads to bigger control over the proof of work so there's a natural centralization of control happening with proof of work. And proof of stake isn't saving anyone either because that just opens the door to a different kind of centralization of control. Give it another 50 years and currencies like etherium will also be centralized. With all of the negatives and none of the benefits of centralization.

And that's the other point, I don't think an internationally independent currency is that great of an idea. At least I don't think it's better than a currency with a central authority. For example central authorities manage the inflation (or in case of crypto currencies the deflation) of the currency to keep is stable and usable. Central authority also keeps oversight of illegal activities, the lack of that oversight is why crypto is popular with the black market. You also get certain consumer-protections which you're unlikely to get with crypto because there's no authority to enforce them, for example if your account gets hacked or stolen you're fucked while banks would freeze your account and reverse transactions. And of course there's taxation, which I can't imagine how that would even happen with crypto.

I'm not saying blockchain itself is a useless technology, but I have don't believe it's usable as a currency. I also have some serious reservations in its use elsewhere because I have a hard time imagining where it would be better than a traditional database solution.

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discuss.online

Yes, a centralized currency can have consumer protections. What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance. Central banks also get to dictate who/what you get to spend your money on. Which is why blockchain is popular with those who oppose fascists. The government doesn’t like Wikileaks, well, they get to block payments.

Countries manage currencies for their own ends, not for the benefit on its citizens. Plus, how much violence is the central bank willing to inflict to fulfill its ends? Your whole post ignores the long history of truly awful behavior from governments in order to keep the power of money under their control.

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Goodeye8reply
piefed.social

What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance.

I'll make a very simple argument here, don't elect corrupt officials who use institutions meant to work for you against you. You may not like that argument and that's fine because I'm not here to argue that argument. Instead we're going to discuss what is you argument when the centralized cabal of your blockchain currency steals your balance? Outside of forking the chain and hoping it gets accepted you've got nothing. You don't get to choose who takes over and you have no way of holding them accountable.

Before you claim this is impossible go look up Steem. That chain got hard forked into Steem and Hive and of the two Steem, which experienced a hostile takeover, is doing better than Hive, the community fork. People who opposed Steem got cut from the chain. Now, if crypto was a real currency for the sake of stability one of the two forks would have to be chosen (otherwise you end up with fork after fork), who is to say your money won't just get wiped because you ended up on the wrong side of the fork? Who is going to give you that money back? The same way your money gets wiped whatever transaction you want to do can also get wiped if whoever controls the chain decides so.

And I'll reiterate. My point wasn't that FIAT currencies are the best thing ever, my point was that they're better than the blockchain alternative because you end up with all the bad of the FIAT currency with none of the good.

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It is easy to claim don’t elect corrupt officials except governments all around the world are corrupt. Government corruption is the common outcome, not a rare occurrence.

If a blockchain gets forked people who held coins before the fork now have coins in both forks. Your story involves a fundamental misunderstanding.

Yeah, no.

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Also, crypto and blockchain has an ENORMOUS negative ecological and energetic impact; I think that AIs are worse on that, but I'd still say that if AIs are the number one, cryptos are the number two.

And then you have the worst part: incel cryptobros, the face of crypto. And with them, lots of scams (even within stablished coins), sects and all kind of grotesque things like that.

Moreover, crypto is somewhat exclusionary and elitist, because it assumes that you have a somewhat decent hardware that, with the current hardware problems, isn't the case anymore for almost anyone, and even before that, a lot of folks hadn't the opportunity. Yet it's said to be democratic and free (as in Freedom). There's a clear contradiction.

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

Yeah, Blockchain is really the prime example of a solution looking for a problem. Everything you can do with Blockchain can be easier done using less ressources with other techniques. It sounds fine on paper, and as you said there might be some esoteric use for it someday in the future.

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lemmy.world

If the blockchain already exists and used the resources yes it was horrible. But what really is the argument to say it's bad to use the one already generated. You don't have to use any more resources to make it. Essentially copy paste of a prime number that was already found right? Maybe I don't understand how they work well enough

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Wildmimicreply
anarchist.nexus

The problem with blockchain is that everything you can do with it can also be done with a good database. In the case of crypto, it also means that you have to download THE ENTIRE THING SINCE IT STARTED if you want to run a full node capable of validating transactions. The Bitcoin Blockchain was - as of September 2025 - 674GB in size, adding a gigabyte every few days, meaning it is probably around 750GB today, stored on every single full node - what a waste of space. Databases are a lot more flexible in that regard.

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discuss.online

And a centralized database can be modified at will by whoever controls it. Just because you place no value on a distributed ledger that is censorship and fraud resistant doesn’t mean that configuration has no value. Centralized currencies are secured with violence. Blockchains are secured with math.

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You can also apply cryptographic functions to make sure database entries are not modified - this is then an issue of transparency and not centralization.

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discuss.online

Proud to be ignorant and play video games rather than learn. Perhaps if you actually got an education you’d know better.

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kestrel7_7reply
lemmy.world

You missed the context that they were proud to avoid learning about a technology that ended up being a waste of time. I imagine they would have preferred going to class and learning about something real, it sounds like they just skipped the blockchain stuff. They're flexing about being more prescient than most of his peers (and professors!), and they're not wrong. 90% of strategy is knowing what not to do.

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I didn’t miss that they are proud to not learn about blockchain. They are most certainly not correct.

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lemmy.world

The Manosphere/alpha/beta/sigma BS is the real astrology for guys. Crypto is not a pseudo science its just gambling.

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Yeah I agree the manosphere is more analogous to astrology, but I’m also guessing there’s a much higher percentage of manosphere believers that never actually go on dates to even discuss their ideas and culty beliefs, compared to any blockchain based technology, which almost all actively dating douchebags participate in and no doubt talked about on actual dates.

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Rcklsabndnreply
sh.itjust.works

The amount of times I've asked a crypto bro to tell me exactly what The Blockchain is and them being able to actually lucidly explain it is exactly 0, in my experience.

I know there's science somewhere in there, but the loudest enthusiasts I've come across treat it like magic.

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it's not magic, it's just really boring and stupid if you explain it well.

it's just a decentralized authentication network built on cryptography algorithms. but i guess if you don't know what any of those words mean it seems mysterious. you need a baseline understanding of networking and cryptography, and well, very few people have that.

and people attribute financial value to each bitcoin (or whatever coin), which is just a piece of code you uniquely possess when it is in your 'wallet'.

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It's really not that interesting unless you're specifically into cryptography, and then it's like, kind of interesting for 20 minutes. I remember when "the blockchain" first came out people were talking about lots of potential uses (secure online voting was the only one that comes to mind) besides scamming people and selling illegal stuff, but of course none of those ever materialized.

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I know there’s science somewhere in there

There is! It looks something like this...

😬

Okay I felt bad for everyone who was too lazy to search so here's how it works.

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lemmy.world

A friend set me up on a date with a coworker of him. then she spent about 20 minutes drawing my astral chart. She had notes, books and even an iPad app.

Eventually she concluded we were not compatible, while I concluded the same thing about 20 seconds in.

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Yeah, I ain't putting up with that either. People can have their beliefs, but getting my head screwed on straight was a hard fought, lifelong journey. I cannot go back.

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Bro dodged a bullet 💀

And wtf, what's that shit of judging a person you don't ever know just because of some crazy cards bs.

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lemmy.world

have you ever had anyone argue with you about your star sign?

I have, it was wild. They insisted my DOB was wrong and I was totally a Capricorn. They also argued with me that my job was awful and unfulfilling, despite me saying I enjoyed it. That was also bizarre.

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Notyoureply
sopuli.xyz

That was also bizarre.

No! It was one of the most normal experiences of your life!

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Sadly, yeah it is getting more like that year after year. Too many tiktok crackhead crazies out there, and they didn't exist 5 year ago.

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decoloreply
piefed.social

I like to think of astrology as a fine grained personality shorthand like Meyers Briggs.

the magical star-assigned fixed personality is dumb. what's useful is being able to tell Becky to stop being such a Capricorn and come out and party, even if she is a cancer or whatever. it's just a memey way to reference behavioral traits if your friend group already knows what they mean. i don't know how to explain this any better

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lemmy.world

I like to think of personality tests like Meyers Briggs as pseudoscientific nonsense like astrology

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Early in our dating, my wife had me take the enneagram test. I got a 2, she’s a 9. I told her I found a page detailing relationships between 2’s and 9’s and some of the strengths and weaknesses we’d navigate as a couple.

As I was reading it she kept saying, at first, “That makes sense!” Or “Yeah I can see that.” There were a few that were kind of out there. But she kept listening.

Eventually I revealed to her that I was ACTUALLY reading a page detailing relationships between a dragon and a sheep, our respective Chinese Zodiac signs. And that I was using this to support my argument that personality tests are astrology for educated people.

Still ended up getting laid, though not that day. 😅

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lemmy.world

because they are

nobody takes them seriously other than teenagers and other emotionally immature folks.

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Personally I do find it interesting, when people do tell their Myers-Briggs -test results, since it can tell about, what sort of a person they want to be. But it is not scientific in the slightest.

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piefed.social

It's clearly pseudoscientific nonsense. But it's easier to say "I'm a pisces" instead of "I'm feeling hesitant about the future of our relationship, Sarah" if she is into that. The value is in being able to reference loose personality archetypes without having to spend a paragraph describing someone.

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lemmy.world

But being a Pisces doesn't mean anything, does it? It could both mean being someone who is afraid of risks and someone who is bold and takes chances.

How is it easier?

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it means what people want it to mean.

And that's why Astrology is so powerful. it's 100% projection and bias confirmation.

'take chances' is entirely relative. what is a bold risk for one person, is an afterthought for another person, but in astrology there is no specific context, just vague nonsense worded such that anyone can project onto it.

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piefed.social

It's all contextual, honestly, but here are my impressions of the uh, categories:

Pisces: wishy washy, both sides, indecisive, peacemaker, likes blue stuff

Capricorn: hustle culture, hates fun

Taurus: confident, aggressive, clumsy, bro-ish

I don't have any others on deck without looking them up lol

Edit: oh my god you guys. the magical star-assigned fixed personality is dumb. what's useful is being able to tell Becky to stop being such a Capricorn and come out and party, even if she is a cancer or whatever. it's just a memey way to reference behavioral traits if your friend group already knows what they mean. i don't know how to explain this any better

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That part is dumb. I edited my comment now that I understand the confusion

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Here's what I got from the dating pool: Gemini: bipolar two-faced Scorpio: will stab you and eat your soul

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imadethisreply
fedinsfw.app

The problem is that you're not really referencing "loose personality archetypes" in these sorts of conversations, they're being assigned to you, relatively arbitrarily. It doesn't matter if I'm serious and thoughtful, but because I was born on the third moon after the pomegranate harvest, I'm the joker of the group.

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No, I think it's pretty reasonable to push back if you're being pigeonholed into some kind of archetype you disagree with. Tell them to stop being such Capricorns. The trick is it doesn't really matter what sign you use, it's just a bit

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You forgot the part about how it's determined by giant balls of gas millions of light years away that aren't actually arranged in neat patterns, but are actually incredibly far from one another and only look like patterns from our specific position in the universe

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ickplantreply
lemmy.world

That argument falls flat to me simply because there are 13 zodiac signs, not 12, and ancient (and modern) astrologers simply ignore the 13th one (Ophiuchus) for convenience.

If you are going to claim the stars have influence over our personalities, at least be consistent with how you “read” said stars.

Not to mention, there is zero evidence that astrology works.

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Also, at the time most of the zodiac and star chart arrangements were plotted out, the Earth had an entirely different north star than it does now. So your modern star sign would not even be consistent with the ancient charts and star signs, yet somehow all the same definitions and assumptions are supposed to apply.

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ickplantreply
lemmy.world

I can appreciate that view point as long as we are in agreement that there is no real science behind it. I can totally see how people use “I’m such a Pisces” to describe themselves as sensitive and emotional. I just wish they would say “I’m sensitive and emotional” instead, lol.

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I tried to express that as clearly as I could, it's just like a more ethical version of Slytherin/gryffindor/etc, I tend to be friends with excessively referential people I guess.

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iegodreply
lemmy.zip

A trait can apply to anyone in any category. The whole premise is an exercise in the celebration of ignorance. I won't stand for it.

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antsureply
discuss.tchncs.de

No, a Gemini would say "My apologies, you are absolutely correct!"

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lemmy.world

according to some folks, taking responsibility for your behavior is a shitty thing to do.

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pega_susreply
lemmy.world

I shall say that I've both done that AND gotten laid

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lemmy.world

yeah but you get laid more if you agree to blame nebulous abstract concepts for personal and social grievances.

or blame their parents.... that always works too.

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pega_susreply
lemmy.world

Ah, it says straight men, therein is the disconnect

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piefed.zip

I will choose to make fun of it at every chance. Fortunately my girlfriend doesn't mind, so I can also still get laid.

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retrofed.com

I have a pretty large, coed friend group, and roughly 50% of the women are into astrology, while none of the men are. Personally, I could never date someone who took astrology seriously. Fortunately, unlike this meme tries to paint them, there are many women who don't take astrology seriously.

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lemmy.world

my wife "believed" in astrology before and while we were first dating. she used it as an easy way to weed out which guys couldn't get over themselves over a trivial difference in perspective and figure out how to compromise.

turns out we would both read the astrology section of the newspaper growing up and giggle about how wrong it was. she just figured out a way to use it to find the right people.

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protistreply
retrofed.com

Oh this is definitely the case. When I was younger, I was definitely the kind of guy to publicly ridicule things like astrology, and I learned that would make me no friends. Today I'd much rather surround myself with people who act kind to each other and accept each other. Y'all are totally on that same page.

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yup. my idiot brother consciously made it his personality to dislike everything. he still can't figure out why he doesn't have friends. i've tried explaining how you build closer relationships over stuff you like rather than stuff you dislike. he doesn't like that.

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lemmy.world

Dated a girl and, while we were walking through the park, she points up at the sky. "Oh look, Chemtrails". I absolutely bust up laughing, because I assume I've accidentally stepped into a relationship with a conspiracy theorist. She looks incredibly confused. I explain what chemtrails are. She gets even more confused. We whip out our phones for a minute. She says, "Omg I meant contrails"

She's a lawyer at a white shoe firm now and makes, like, twice as much as I do in IT. Also, absolutely incredible in the sack.

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Wanderreply
sh.itjust.works

First day of uni. Having lunch with 3 people.

"Hey do any of you watch my little pony?"

I burst out laughing. Turns out guy was super serious. He was convincing enough that he managed to get me to watch half of friendship is magic before I decided i would never talk to him again.

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Tbf The show was well written for a children's show... But it was still a children show

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Oh wow, with all the memes I've only ever learned the word "chemtrails". Don't think I've ever seen the word "contrails" before, even though that certainly makes a lot more sense...

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lemmy.world

There are more stupid people than non-stupid people.

Getting laid is a numbers game. You vastly reduce your chances if you start getting picky.

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lemmy.world

But maybe, just maybe, and I know I'm talking crazy here, but maybe if you weed out the ones that aren't worthwhile your quality will go up.

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for a lot of people being picky means they will never get laid. and that's fine, if you can accept that.

but they don't. they are enraged by the lack of 'quality' people available to them. and offended by the abundance of low quality people available to them.

the idea you can 'raise your standards' and get 'better results', in dating/mating, is mostly cope. Especially when you start looking at the statistics. truth is people really should lower them, and well, humble themselves. because most folks aren't nearly as 'hot' as they perceive themselves to be.

it's also highly subjective. I attract a lot of very desirable women, but they aren't desirable to me due to my own biases and lifestyle preferences. Just yesterday I got like half dozen likes from women on Hinge, but they all worked in finance or pharma, so I rejected them because for me working in those industries means 'low quality' just like believe in astrology. But if I wanted to get laid? Yeah I should get over that bias, those type of women really like me, even though I hate them. And I only developed this bias due to my younger years... repeatedly trying to date them and running into the same miserable issues again and again.

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Them being stupid makes em hotter. They fuck like they got smth to prove

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boonhetreply
sopuli.xyz

I mean calling half an entire gender stupid is pretty bold

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

It’s a good thing nobody is doing that, then. Nowhere near half of women believe that nonsense.

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boonhetreply
lemmy.zip

Oh sorry, only 43% of women aged 18-49, I guess 43% is nowhere near half. I suppose if you're a granny chaser then it is indeed only a quarter. If you're into LGBT folks, it actually goes above 50% (over 60% for LGBT women).

Since my own dating pool and most of my friendships are smack dab in the middle of that 18-49 demographic, I can tell you it's easily around half of women around that age who believe in astrology, tarot or something else similar here in Estonia, so it's not US specific either. Including a lot of otherwise very intelligent women. A master's degree in a STEM field for example does not discourage one from believing in astrology by any means.

Or perhaps you just don't know enough women?

Oh and men aren't all innocent either. A fifth of men aged 18-49 believe in astrology or similar superstitions too. Less than half as many as women, but still a significant amount.

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

Wow that statistic is way more depressing than I realized. I guess I am lucky to only be surrounded by non-crazy women.

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I suspect a lot of the women you know believe it but don't talk about it unless prompted. Luckily the "oh you're a whatever sign, it would never work" level of belief seems uncommon among even those who do believe.

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We really need to distinguish between "stupid" opinions and "stupid" people.

Very smart people can hold very stupid opinions in some aspects and the average person will certainly hold some stupid ass opinions not necessarily restricted to "spirituality".

My uncle was top of his class but fell for every mlm he encounterd, my dad is a capable businessman but believes a cut up onion in the window will get all viruses out of the air. I have so many examples like that.

So half of women aren't stupid but probably 100% of all people hold at least one stupid "believe" i think.

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And 100% of gamers have pressed the randomize button to at the start of a game to see if it's something they can identify with.

Consulting Tarot has as much to do with thinking it's scientifically real as flipping a coin has to do with making objective decisions.

Astrology and personality tests that get sold to businesses and a ton of other "fake" things all work the same way: they propose things that are frequently or universally true and then invite people to look at in what ways they agree with them or how they fit current situations.

Calling these things fake is the same as saying the personal reflections of people aren't real.

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lemmy.world

Half of everyone really. The average person is a fucking moron.

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Yeah, and the women who believe in astrology are dumb.

But there are men who don't believe in it but have some other crackpot/spiritual nonsense to fill in that 30% gap.

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piefed.social

Easy choice

presses "gay" button

Now I'm surrounded by superstitious lesbians

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cinoreusreply
lemmy.world

And I'm surrounded by Linux users.

Edit: sorry, but that's the gayest thing I could think of.

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discuss.tchncs.de

Associating operating systems/kernels with sexuality, hmmmmm... What would you assign to these?

  1. Windows from Microsoft (modern)
  2. [Mac/i/watch]OS (are they different?)
  3. Android (kernel changed enough that I consider it it's own semi-compatible thing rather than Linux)
  4. [Open/Net/Free/Dragonfly/Ghost/Hardened/Midnight/MirOS /Fuguita ]BSD (are they different?)
  5. ArcaOS
  6. Haiku
  7. 9front
  8. Inferno64
  9. GNU Hurd
  10. MINIX
  11. RiscOS
  12. SerenityOS
  13. Redox
  14. PureDarwin

edit: made list numbered

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cinoreusreply
lemmy.world
  1. Straight

  2. Femboys

  3. Straight dude who thinks acting gay would get him invited to girl sleepovers.

  4. A pansexual who's also Aromatic.

  5. The straight guy who's into grannies.

  6. The guy who thinks they have a type, but their type would never date them.

8.Aeroace but would set you up with their friend

  1. The gay who only wants to top

  2. Old grandad gay. Someone who wasn't shy boning dudes back when they would've been executed for it.

12 The kinda gay who would only hangout with people over 40.

  1. The bisexual who didn't care exploring further cause they live in conservative environment(relatable)

  2. The guy who thinks applying nailpolish makes him gay.

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Hmmm, you are missing a few... also, PureDarwin is basically MacOS (you described "femboy") with stereotypical linux userland (you described "gay"), I wonder how you got "straight" from that...

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lemmy.world

In a college classroom with only women, we did a student survey that asked how many believe in astrology. It was 50%.

I'm curious how that boils down in a coed institution, or a research 1 school or something.

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lemmy.world

Of all the non-scientific things to believe in, astrology is one of the weirdest. Especially if you’re talking about ancient astrology, come on now… the sky has changed significantly in eg 2000 years, how could you make any conclusions based on that? Or the figures drawn from groups of stars, constellations, that are not even remotely close to each other if you look from another viewpoint?
But I guess it’s even worse… I guess most people talk about their magazine horoscopes, that aren’t even written by actual astrologers :(

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Echo Dotreply
feddit.uk

As has been pointed out many times the configuration of the solar system today is completely different to the configuration of the solar system on this date precisely 365 days ago, because the orbit of the Earth has very little to do with all the other planets. So even if the locations of random astronomical objects, but not others because they don't count obviously, have an impact on my personality why are all libras the same, how does that work?

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This was foretold! “Today, you might run into a kind stranger asking you a question that you maybe answer with a touch of silliness.”

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prolereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

They're also just inert balls of gas that are way too far away to have any effect on our planet

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Well… their photons do reach our planet after sometimes thousands of lightyears’ travel… I will call that impressive.

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I just can't imagine how they can fit twins with completely different personalities in their world view.

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discuss.tchncs.de

i roll my eyes at astrology but generally don't mind a little "folk wisdom" if it helps people deal with the world, though of course it often doesn't actually really help and just obscures the real reasons behind things.

kinda similar to how i think a sincere belief in religion might actually help someone in many cases, but can also veil the world and make it less accessible.

in the same vein is also folk or traditional medicine. i bet there are good insights in there, but also just a lot of bs. difficult to sift for gold.

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lemmy.world

how do you feel when it actively makes the world a worse place?

because a lot of these folks believe in anti-vaccination and other crazy stuff that is actively harming other people and themselves.

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discuss.tchncs.de

then it's harmful and should probably be stopped. ideally you'd have empirically verified folk wisdom, but then it isn't folk wisdom anymore, just science.

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One could build a similar site about all the harm medicine has caused also, (and I'm sure there is one out there). That doesn't stop anyone from seeing a doctor when they are sick.

Anything can be used in a harmful way to cause ill to others. All it takes is the want to and a bit of creativity and a slick story.

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I mean, every single of these entries isn't caused by astrology but by other nonsense.

People fled because there was a warning of a cyclone, not because they believed in astrology.

Numerology is not astrology. People believing in witches is not astrology. Scammers will use anything including astrology.

And if those are the only examples, it really is less harmful then people make out.

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lemmy.world

the problem is people are willing to commit violence for beliefs.

not so much empirically verified science.

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Yeah man, I hear about those roving gangs of astrology girlies murdering people like all the time

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sh.itjust.works

I don't think astrology begets antivax beliefs, though they do both fall under the woo-woo alternative health/spirituality umbrella. I know people who are into one or the other but not necessarily both.

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it doesn't.

but woo-woo beliefs are infiltrating every aspect of life, including places where they do not belong, like public health and the justice system. and that's problematic for everyone.

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It shows a lack of understanding which correlates nicely with other wrong beliefs, some of which are very harmful.

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lemmy.today

I've heard that a huge percentage of people have latent homosexual/ bisexual/pansexual leanings. So just lean into it I guess.

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Hmm?

What does that even mean in this context, "latent"?

You mean "unexplored"? If I'm a "latent" homosexual, it just means I'm homosexual, no? So if by "go" you mean "be true to myself", then fine, I guess?

But if I'm bi, or straight, I can't just turn off my attraction to the opposite sex to "go gay".

Please correct me if I'm wrong, non-straight, non-gay people! Is it possible to just flip your attractions off? Sincerely, cis straight male who's earnestly trying to be as woke as possible and educate myself to be accurate and inclusive.

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piefed.social

I used to be a bit of a dick about astrology. I still think it's nonsense, but now I kinda view it as a structure for people to explore their own emotions and as a kind of authority struct to get people to treat those emotions as valid. Ultimately I feel like its no different than me sharing emo song lyrics with an "omg they understand me frfr" type message. Maybe the astrology believer isn't upset because Venus is in retrograde or whatever, but they are upset their emotions are valid. I don't gain anything from being a wet blanket about scientific accuracy in that situation, and they feel like I am invalidating their emotions if I choose to be that scientifically accurate wet blanket. Plus, retrograde is a dope word and I'm not sure if I'd know it if not for the crystal girls I've dated

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We all choose getting laid at some point. And it doesn't matter LGQT or straight. It's called being a real human.

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lemmy.world

yes. they want to feel their emotions are valid. even if they aren't. Astrology and other theoretical systems also take the locus of control out of their own authority and place it in a higher authority to which they are subjected.

and therein lies the problem. not every emotion is valid. some emotions are invalid. but if you aren't responsible for the causes of your emotions... you're not responsible for figuring out which ones are valid or invalid. they are something that happens to you, not something you control.

and happy well-adjusted folks... learn to figure out which is which, and unhappy folks... can't or won't do this. and a huge part of therapeutic processes is ... learning to identify and assess your own emotional states and whether or not to act on them.

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lemmy.world

Explains why I'm horribly unhappy I have Alexithymia.

Don't believe in astrology though.

(Edit: also emotions can't be "valid" or "invalid" they're just the source of your motivations really.)

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Emotions can be based in reality. Or they can be based in false perceptions of reality.

That's what makes them valid or invalid.

Your fear of the boogeyman in the closet is invalid. Your fear of the drunk driver weaving around you on the highway is valid.

Of course, if you don't believe reality exists, or that reality is entirely derivation of your emotions, then yeah, you should be very very afraid and you should invest in anti-boogeyman man traps to put in your closet so he can't get you at night.

But of course, most of us would consider people who believe in boogeymen to be delusional. Delusion is a symptom of psychological problems. And delusional folks think it's everyone else who is insane for not seeing the Boogeyman.

people have lots and lots of emotions that are not based in external reality, many are based in fictions they make up in their heads. but of course, being able to recognize and admit that... is not a capability many folks develop. many folks never question their emotions at all.

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lemmy.world

Theres a not so secret third option, don't date folks that believe in such nonsense.

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freely1333reply
reddthat.com

Pretending to believe in astrology to get laid is kind of rapey by today’s standards.

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What's the difference in pretending to believe in astrology and pretending to be interested in anything else they're saying?

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infosec.pub

Save yourself time and don't lie about who you are.

This is also job application advice. If you never smile in real life but you pretend to act bubbly for an entire interview: your ass better bubble like a pro if you're hired.

But ymmv

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mika_mikareply
lemmy.world

I bought an astrology tapestry when I was in university. I don't buy into astrology really but the tapestry served its purpose.

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what if the other person doesn't believe the truth about who you are?

personally, I've noticing people accusing me of lying when I'm telling the truth frequently. And when I lie, they think I'm telling the truth and never question it.

Weird how that works.

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freely1333reply
reddthat.com

If the guy doesn’t believe as much it’s rape but if the woman doesnt believe as much it’s not.

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lemmy.zip

They're a rape apologist and trolling to try to prove a point about Cornell. Look at the comment history.

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We have been married for 46 years now. Despite the fact she was into astrology and I listened intensely to her about it in the beginning. It is called learning everything about each other. And if anyone was "rapey", it was her. These days she laughs and says it was the rebellious catholic upbringing in her, (I still call her a recovering Catholic). And that I was oblivious to all the hints she was dropping in front of me.

It all just one of the many shared memories we have together. I wouldn't give any of them up for life itself.

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I had several friends at school with the same birthday as me, so obviously we had the same personality and all the same stuff kept happening to us.

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lemmy.world

astrology believers is about 30% of the population. a few billion folks

astronomers are about 0.00016% of the population. (there are only 12,500 globally)

I went on a couple of dates with someone who had a Astronomy PhD, but worked in marketing. Not sure that counts. She did not believe in astrology, but made fun of me for working in research rather than industry.

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chiliedoggreply
lemmy.world

There's much more interest in science than there are careers in it.

I teach scuba and underwater photography at a major university as a side gig. I have dozens of former students with advanced degrees in aquatic biology who now work in retail.

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Yeah, but how many of them come from a family where they were never expected to work or pay their own bills?

At least in my experience of a handful of folks in Marine Biology research... every single one of them.

Working low/minimal wage work isn't so bad if your folks are loaded and you'll just inherent their wealth. It's just a waiting game.

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lemmy.zip

I'm an expert in this field. i went from atheist YouTube in 2008 to what the trillbillies call "spooky pussy" in 2009 and i have remained in the spooky pussy camp since then, I don't regret it.

well, i regret it a little

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starikreply
lemmy.today

It’s a podcast. Chapo has them on as guests occasionally

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context-OP referring to another podcast called Chapo traphouse

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storyreply
lemmy.zip

it means that the transition from evangelical child to edgy teen atheist to normal functional adult puts you at a crossroads much like the dichotomy presented in this meme. when i was 19 years old i did indeed have to choose whether to mock spiritual people, or "wrong" people in general. it was in fact a pretty witch who convinced me not to do this, and as a result i spent the next 10 years learning how to be normal to people who do not share one iota of my relationship with truth. Nearly 20 years later i do still enjoy talking to witches, in fact i can't resist it. i maintain a staunch secular humanism, which serves as a narrative anchor for anyone who wants to manipulate me with their magic spells.

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fedinsfw.app

I see this wall of text and wonder why "Nearly" is capitalized but no other words are. It's like reverse German. 😆

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The learning dictionaries available on F-Droid don't behave as intelligently as Google's stuff. As a result I guess I look like an idiot to the sort of people I would have been.

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tachikomareply
lemmy.today

it was in fact a pretty witch who convinced me not to do this, and as a result i spent the next 10 years learning how to be normal to people

Oh man story of my life. Woah. It often makes me think of the saying...

“As he received his trophy, the plucky quarterback unfolded the story of how he ‘came back’. He said ‘They say behind every great man there’s a woman. While I’m not a great man, there’s a great woman behind me.’”

From my perspective, the Witch in my story doesn't want to talk to me anymore. None the less words cannot express my gratitude for her setting me on the path I am on now. I still feel like I owe her an apology letter. 🤔

tl:dr Males 13-25 stop "teasing" or "joking" rudely with girls and women. You will most likely regret it. Dearly.

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You're so right. Being right is so much less important then tact if you want to keep touch with kind people.

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Grailreply
multiverse.soulism.net

I'm a chaos wizard and I think consensus reality is a mechanism of bourgeois control of the workers

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Grailreply

A practitioner of magic without doctrine. Chaotes draw techniques and schemas from many different sources including paganism, psychology, and pop culture. We use whatever works to get the results we want, it doesn't have to form a unified belief system.

Many of us don't believe there's any such thing as an objective reality. Everything is subjective, which means we can use every subjectivity for its benefits and move between them freely.

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Permanence isn't forever. Sorry your comment had me laughing in my head about the idea of object permanence truly meaning forever and it not being relative/subjective.

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I'm a mobile user with a FOSS keyboard system. When I was using android it did it all for me.

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lemmy.world

Star racism is still racism. I don't make fun of it, I simply reject it as esoteric bigotry.

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ani.social

I mean the word you want is prejudice but sure star racism is a lot catchier and race is a construct anyways.

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lemmy.world

Prejudice is much too generic imho.

"Races" in racism are (socially constructed, as you said) classes assigned from conception/birth, which racists believe to have class-specific inherited (often behavioural) traits.

The only functional difference between (classical) racism and the (star) racism of astrology is that one claims inheritance via genetics, the other inheritance via "vibes" from star formations.

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lemmy.world

Yeah, it's deterministic sorting. That's what racism is too. The idea you must possess/lack inherent traits based on your race, for astrology it's your DOB.

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MTBI fans also have a lot of this. The websites play into it by pretending some personality combinations are rare, or that any of it is set and doesn't actually change every time you take one of the damn tests, or that you can't force results. So you have the INTJs who definitely think they're better than and smarter than everyone else, or the ENTJs who are categorized as "visionaries" so they're totally going to become a corporate CEO once they're done working on their dad's construction crew. If there are subforums, you'll get to watch people fight over their self-labeled categories.

Also to further your point, there are notable periods of the eastern zodiac where people either try to get pregnant or avoid getting pregnant just because of the good or bad luck attributed to some years. Japan also has an actual word for blood type discrimination (avoiding or not hiring AB or B blood types) called bura-hara.

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Yeah, this is what bothers me about it too. It really seems like it's just a low stakes, socially acceptable way to be a bigot.

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I have a female friend who is an Astronomer. I always call her Astrologer, especially at parties and such.

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I ditched someone when she attributed something to her star sign, because I have no interest in a relationship with someone stupid

Astrology, tarot, any religion whatsoever

I'm not going to be able to respect them, and no relationship works without respect

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I ditched someone when she attributed something to her star sign, because I have no interest in a relationship with someone stupid

I've just always seen this as a lack of personal accountability, and that's a massive turnoff for me.

Like, no Becky, you're not being a bitch because you're a cancer, but you are a cancer because you're such a bitch.

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lemmy.world

Honestly while I'm secular myself, this stance would lead to me politely refusing a second date.

Yes astrology is daft, but most of the things you and I believe are daft too or at least only locally true and culturally constructed rather than globally true. I don't care if someone is religious or secular, what I do care is to what extent they believe humanity can know unfiltered truth in the first place. This is a much more important and useful axis in my view than whether they are religious or secular.

In my view no human can know direct truth, they are forced to rely exclusively on the unreliable narrator of their senses and for this reason I don't trust people who make excessively confident claims about the nature of reality at all, whether religious or secular ones.

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lemmy.world

So when you buy a coffee do you lecture the cashier about how 'culturally constructed' money is, or do you just pay them?

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lemmy.world

This isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is. I could just as well ask the fedora fanclub how they respond to someone saying 'bless you' when they sneeze. The point is there are local truths and there are global truths, and you don't have undistorted access to the latter. None of us are playing with a full deck.

To use your own example of fiat money, we all know it's a society-wide fiction but it is kept up willingly and enthusiastically for the reason there'd be a very non-fictional economic meltdown if we didn't do that. We are pretending a small-t truth is a capital-T Truth for practical reasons alone. The danger comes when we forget we're doing that and mistake our aggregate belief for reality itself in my opinion.

I cannot stand people who think they are personally exempt from this kind of thing; people who insist their imperfect senses give them full and perfect access to objective truth. These kind of people are dangerous whether they're religious or secular, I would much rather date a superstitious person who was aware most of what they believe is vague and wooly than someone who calls themselves a rationalist and makes these massive sweeping metaphysical judgements about things.

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your premise here is that real things aren't real.

good luck with that. all I see here is something trying really hard to feel they are 'one up' on other people because they have mistaken skepticism for reality.

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Bold argument from someone whose worldview is entirely reddit-tier pop science and affected rather than earned rationality.

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The belief in an external world beyond our senses is unfalsifiable. Yet, we experience social pressure to conform to that belief without evidence. Thus, realism is a religion.

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lemmy.world

I got my full horoscope done in a lounge chair in a club. She brought tables and everything. But my god was she cute.

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feddit.org

If they are into getting nerdy with charts and tables, there might be a chance to hook them up with Dungeons and Dragons... 🤔

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Do you have the hooks? Because I've got the dungeon, baby! 👈 🤠👉

🤟 And alfred in the corner is pretending to be a dragon, don't mind him.

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lemmy.world

because like half of all women are into astrology

like 45% of them is the latest stat. Only 20% of men believe in it

for me, it's probably 1/3 women who is into it, and they get really really angry with you if you don't take them seriously when they start lecturing you about it.

IME women and men who are into astrology refuse to take accountability for their actions/choices, pathologically.

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lemmy.world

because like half of all women are into astrology

In the same way that half of all men are into video games, sure.

they get really really angry with you if you don’t take them seriously when they start lecturing you about it

I've definitely had girls explain it to me. And I've stepped in it when I teased one too hard, because she just read me as an obnoxious prick (which... in my early 20s... she wasn't wrong).

But I see astrology get the same treatment as veganism. You mention, in passing, that you're into a thing. People line up around the block to heckle you and argue with you and scream slurs at you. And for some reason this doesn't really change you opinion on The Thing You're Into. It just changes your opinion on dating or on talking to anyone outside your insulated The Thing community.

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chiliedoggreply
lemmy.world

The way people treat vegans and vegetarians is so weird.

If someone doesn't smoke you don't smoke with them. If they don't drink you don't drink with them. If they abstain from sex you don't have sex with them. If they don't like sports you don't go to the game with them.

If they don't eat meat they're just an asshole.

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One of my favorite scenes that I saw David Spade in was in Grandma's Boy. The main group ended up going to a vegan restaurant and when they realize it, they made jokes about it to the waiter (David Spade). Then the waiter goes off on the group.

https://youtu.be/tztMIh-sUqQ

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If they don’t eat meat they’re just an asshole.

mostly because the vegans we typically run into are militant vegans. you know, assholes. if you're worrying about what someone else is eating and your primary concern isn't that they get enough to eat, you're doing it wrong.

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It's not a hobby though. Or a personal preference like veganism, it's a belief system based on an incredibly unimaginative fairy tail.

Somebody may very into collecting Yu-Gi-Oh cards but they would quite rightfully be called crazy if they started to insist that they really had magic powers. There is quite an important distinction between an interesting hobby that you kind of suspension of disbelief, believe in, versus an actual astrology theolog who insists that it's all real.

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I generally try not to yuck anyone's yum, I won't make fun but I will just straight up say I don't believe in anything spiritual or magical.

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If they can predict planetary motions based on a sample of life events from a group of individuals with a balanced distribution of zodiac signs, then I will be convinced it is real.

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lemmy.zip

I kinda find this post moderately offensive to women.

Actually it’s offensive to men too, isn’t it?

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Alloireply
lemmy.world

nah, not really. ive been there more times than i can count. it happens.

people believe in all kinds of crazy shit. its up to you if you can look past someones beliefs for a casual fling or something more serious.

i tend to not openly judge others for something that makes their life more bearable. life sucks, its confusing, and shitty, more often than it is rewarding or enjoyable. people never know what to expect, so they search for patterns to predict a better outcome for themselves, or at least a way to soften the blow of a potentially shitty outcome. some people like astrology, some people like drugs, god, the universal conciousness, whatever. pick your passion.

cant judge someone for being human, when you're a human yourself. we all believe in something absolutely insane, and we all want to fuck each other.

plus, it can be fun to imagine that the stars aligned just for us, on this night....isnt it? even if it isnt true. its a beautiful illusion, and it can be appreciated when you suspend your disbelief until the morning light washes away the night, and all its constellations. and replaces it with bad breath, bed head, and a hangover in a strangers apartment.

life is easier when you dont take it seriously.

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some people like astrology, some people like drugs, god, the universal conciousness, whatever. pick your passion.

Now hold on... One of these things is actually real though, and has very direct effects on your consciousness. It's insane to include drugs in there.

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Thank you for this perspective. I was lacking it and you brought it to me.

I read most comments above this

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you can judge people for holding belief systems that are constructed for them to avoid personal accountability for themselves.

which is what astrology and other alt beliefs are for most of these folks. a way to explain away their problems rather than take responsibility for them.

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czlreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Only if you believe it applies to all men and all women. Or maybe, just maybe, it might be a shitpost.

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w3dd1ereply
lemmy.zip

It does say every straight man in the picture

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untorquerreply
quokk.au

The key is to be just a little gay, as a treat!

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cinoreusreply
lemmy.world

So, my gayness is what's protecting me from superstitious women?

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I think it's a case of correlation as opposed to causation but yes, absolutely.

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Most of the insane women that are crazy enough to spend time with me are, at the very least, in to horoscopes/tarot, so I maintain a base level knowledge on the subject.

They find it charming when I use I Ching to consult the Oracle when they can't decide what they want for dinner.

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I do kinda think there's a through-line between people into horoscopes and people who never want to make a decision.

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feddit.uk

Unless of course they're born Giliac, in which case they need to be rounded up and put in cages for the safety of humanity

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KuroiKazereply
lemmy.world

What the fuck is this just a guy like narrating the entire episode in the most boring way possible

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Glad my partner isn't into it, but I am a decent enough actor to have gone along with it with past partners

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they really do like it when you play the part they want you to play.

and then they complain nobody is 'real' or 'honest' with them...

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Well yoooouu, don't get to keep your place mat from the Chinese restaurant then.

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At least they don't get drunk & violent when their favourite planet is having a bad phase

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lemmy.world

So lads, I've been single for the last 6 years. Which Gunpla model shall I put together next?

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Sp00kyB00kreply
lemmy.world

Why not learn embroidery/crossstitching. Calming and fun.

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Heh something I would try. I mean I've thought about making clothes (recycling old stuff) since I know how to use a sewing machine, home-ec class. I have serious damage on my hands from chemicals, fingers getting pinched, -_- skateboarding, power tools, etc. My left hand shakes all the time and the thumb clicks moving it. So putting together Gundam models works out since I mostly only use my right hand, which at least doesn't shake but I don't have the mobility like I used to.

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Victorreply
lemmy.world

Chicken and egg sitch going on here I feel.

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myyassreply
lemmy.world

I mean for me, I got tired of being in relationships. I was making a jokey joke out of it.

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Gotcha, I was tagging along on top of your jokey joke.

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Judging by my single friends that do this stuff like an ever more fancy one with spikes errywhere and a gun half it's body size

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As long as they make fun of you for having an MBTI phase, then all is well in love and peace

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My first girlfriend was one of that kind. I wasn't really making fun of it, but was pretty steadfast in communicating why it is just mumbo-jumbo.

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Imagine you had to date a pool of people who tend to systematically deny the validity of your experiences or perspective. You have a way of referring to your experiences in a way that

  • is easy to ridicule
  • provides a layer of isolation between what you present as yourself and being personally ridiculed
  • is trivial to understand with the slightest bit of reason/empathy

Would you latch on to it as a way of filtering out dates?

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A rather free love friend of a friend was trying to fuck guys from every sign of the zodiac, and she hadn't gotten to Cancer yet. As an amateur astronomer now, and a child who was raised by a lunatic into all sorts of woo, I declined on principle.

Look, have your fun. But woo is a relationship red flag for me. You cannot remind me of my mother if you want me turned on. I haven't gotten laid countless times. I don't need or want sex that badly. I desire someone I can trust to keep a firm grasp on reality.

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Better astrology than witchcraft. I have been through both in my younger days. I do have to admit, the witch was far more fun in bed.

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Or you can just have a decent personality. I've never had a problem with both not believing in their astrology and getting laid. Just don't be a dick about it and talk about something else.

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I never make fun of it I just roll my eyes and move on.

The reason I have trouble getting laid is my neuroticism and pickiness. When I find someone smart, atheist, similar sense of humor, into video games & tech, politically aligned with me, and there is mutual physical attraction, I end up acting like a crazy person and blow it all up.

If at least 1 of those boxes is not checked (except the mutual physical attraction bit of course) I usually feel pretty meh about the person but I usually keep my cool and can get laid. However, then I usually don't pursue a relationship with them beyond that.

Recently found someone that I am pretty sure checked all those boxes, so had a mental breakdown and scared them off. Kind of want to buy some rope and/or find a nice tall bridge these days.

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This is why I shittest every straight man by asking about astrology, y'know, to confirm he's a liar.

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Irrespective of its truthfulness, astrology is really cool! I love learning about it. I also really like alchemy. It's kinda like looking at someone's fanfic AU. Of course 17th century guys were inventing cute lil alphabets, pretending they belonged to angels, and writing lil secret notes. Of course someone looked up at the sky and then invented a whole magic system about how the pictures affect our lives. Humans never change.

In fact things like Tarot and astrology can be used to ascribe meaning to some of the ways in which we behave - like, you can't tell the future objectively from it, but you can figure things out about your own current feelings based on what you gravitate to and what the results make you think about.

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I'm pretty indifferent to astrology these days, but I have spent enough time studying the basics of how it works that I think anyone criticizing it should also at least have a basic enough understanding of it that they can criticize the thing itself rather than the stereotype of the thing.

If you're going to attack something for being stupid, it's a good idea to not be stupid yourself.

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lemmy.ca

I was going to say that astrology is actually cool, but then I realized what they meant by astrology.

While I can't call it scientific, there is a lot of interesting symbolism in traditional astrology, especially in its relations to real scientific discoveries. Western/modern astrology doesn't even include the 13th sign.

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Not all women are into astrology, but all the people who are into astrology are women.

Actually, they're a very specific and weird subset of women. They almost always have these traits:

  • In their late teens to early/mid 20s
  • Into "witchcraft" unironically
  • Too into celebrity gossip
  • Think yoga and meditation is sacred
  • Have a completely delusional and out of touch view of Buddhism and Hinduism
  • Have at least one of the following: Comically proportioned glasses, excessive piercings, unnatural hair colors, "spiritual" tattoos
  • Think they're an "artist" of sorts

I've yet to meet an astrology fan who didn't have at least 80% of these.

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Oh, it's even worse in the gay community. I think like 75 or 80% of my gay friends engage in this shit.

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At least those get laid.

You went to play for the other team because no girl wanted to fuck you, but now you're just a gay incel.

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Mocking believes of others and surprised that other don't want to be nearby. If you thin you have to disrespect everything your disbelieve, you are not that rational thinking person you think you are

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