How do you even pronounce UEFI?
Yoo-fi? Yoo-ef-ee?
They shoulda made it easier to pronounce if they wanted people to call it that
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I think BIOS has just morphed into meaning the firmware interface, nobody calls it UEFI. Everyone does indeed just say BIOS, which is okay. You can be more specific when it matters, which is basically never in the mass market.
Like asking for a bandaid. Everyone knows what you mean, and asking for one and getting a generic bandage isn't going to matter.
ADHESIVE MEDICAL STRIP
In America. Bandaid is not a word outside there, what is it? A brand name?
Yes, a name brand of adhesive bandage, just like Kleenex or Velcro or Xerox.
A "plaster" in the uk
Yet it's named in such a way, people maybe would be able to guess what it is
Yet if you guessed bandage, that’s not an actual bandage is it? From the other comments, I’ve learned it’s a ‘plaster’ or adhesive dressing.
I think, I saw it in some movie or heard about it already, so I am not representative of this. If you guessed a different thing, I was wrong and it can't be inferred, as in the same way a seller may guess wrong
Yeah, I mean. It's just a Basic Input/Output System.
Actually, in the Boot Services stage, UEFI can do a lot of things, like providing file systems (though only FAT32 is guaranteed), keyboard and mouse input, video output …
You're 100% correct.
But I'm gonna keep calling it BIOS anyway.
It does seem to serve the same purpose, an “OS” under the OS so 🤷
I don't think the OS is the same in BIOS. It is "Basic Input Output System"
Seems like it should be BI/OS, then, haha.
Something something bi erasure
Which operates the system
Common misconception, it actually stands for Basic Initial Operating System /s
U-E-F-I
Ué fí(o)
Or just uefi.
üfi, got it.
EUGH, that's like a whole extra SYLLABLE
(but this is also how I say it)
BIOS sounds good. It's got that cold hard logic stamped steel ring to it.
"We've got the update the BIOS". Okay. Everyone understands that.
The BIOS boots before the OS. Got it.
"Make sure to configure your UEFI"
"My what?"
Your use of "everyone" is a nice example of xkcd 2501
You-ee-ef-eye
Just pronounce each letter. Am I doing it wrong?
That's what I've always done, though someone mentioned their native language being the conflict, so maybe in other languages the E sound is better marked with an i for some, no idea.
I do say gooey though. Because it’s easy to pronounce and has an existing English equivalent homophone.
UEFI does not.
I also say Wizzy Wig.
And usually I say sequel instead of SQL. Though I think I switch back and forth with that one, probably based on context, but I can’t explain when or why now that I’m trying to think about it.
The prevent pronunciation of SQL as "sequel" is probably a result of it being frequently paired with an actual word, like MySQL or PostgreSQL. Or the fact that saying "M-S-S-Q-L" is a pronunciation obstacle course.
It’s actually because that’s the original pronunciation. It was SEQUEL, the sort-of successor to the QUEL QUEry Language. The shortening to SQL came later.
Ok thanks. MySQL, PostgreSQL and MSSQL are all cases when I actually say S - Q - L.
I say sequel when I use sqlplus, sqldeveloper, SQLServer.
Gooey is ubiquitous though.
I only every hear people say that, or "graphical user interface", never "GUI"
What does lowercase have to do with anything?
The only thing that differentiates an acronym from an initialism is if it’s easily pronounceable as a word.
GUI is. GIF is. PDF is not. NASA is, NSA is not. SCUBA is. LASER is. FBI, ATM, URL, FYI are not.
That’s really it. UEFI doesn’t have a real direct pronunciation to it. So it’s just U-E-F-I.
I've heard a couple people seriously pronounced URL as Earl. Everybody gave them a what the fuck look.
Those are the same people that write "squeal" queries to get results out of a database.
Yeah, that's madness. First of all it's sequel.
Second, fun fact, it's a backronym! SQL came after a cease and desist for calling it SEQUEL, such that it could be pronounced the same.
So yes, you can totally say Sequel instead of S-Q-L, it's even historically accurate to do so!
and what about BIOS ?
This whole snafu is fubar.
Everyone says gooey, nobody I know has every said Gee You Eye.
It's like Saytah, nobody is saying Ess Ay Tee Ay
I say gee-u-eye instead of gooey because I pronounce UI as u-eye
WTF? Its clearly saahhh taahhh
American accent vs British in peripherals
Saytah‽ I've always said sahtah
American accent vs British in peripherals
systemctl reboot --firmware-setupThis will cause a Linux machine to reboot directly into the UEFI. I know it's not groundbreaking but it can be really handy if you use fast-boot. At least your days of pecking the Delete key during POST will be over.
Windows does this too, though I've forgotten the method.
That's weird, on my machine it reboots me directly into the BIOS.
Sidenote: if you dualboot, I can't recommend enough setting up a desktop entry which runs this command:
systemctl reboot --boot-loader-entry=auto-windowsIt's basically a one-click Windows launcher.
I tried it but nothing happened. Mainly because I wouldn't let Windows touch bare metal anymore for anything.
And even if I was dead in the ground would I rise again if someone tried to insert Windows into my usb-holes
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between this and GRUB?
You have to interrupt the boot process to make a selection in grub, the one-liner above makes that one-time selection for you in advance. So you can walk away and get a coffee while your computer does the OS switch.
They don't have to time it. It's a full blown second industrial revolution
You are telling your computer you want to reboot your computer and then boot into Windows unattended (you can walk away and unless Windows crashes itself, it might be running).
Handy thanks
I mean, unless you’re trying to access it at boot time. I just Ctrl+Alt+Del and hit an F button or look it up.
Actually, your instruction complicates it. Just put it on the boot splash, ffs.
I pronounce it the way I was taught when earning my A+ cert ten years ago, "you-fee". This is how I've always heard it pronounced by other professionals. The only time I've heard it pronounced differently is by non-professionals.
That being said, I still use the term "BIOS" when referring to "the firmware interface" for the simple fact that if you call it a UEFI and it's a BIOS, someone will smugly correct you. Other way around, nobody bats an eye.
🤔
I thought about referring to her when describing the pronunciation but decided to go with something more universally understood (and I'm sure at least on person thinks it rhymes with "yuppie").
But I do appreciate the reference.
I don't. Would you care to explain please? I've seen this character posted a number of times in this thread.
The character is Yuffie Kisaragi from 'Final Fantasy VII', a JRPG game for PS1 from 1997 with astonishing staying power. I'm guessing the recent-ish quasi-remakes for PS4 have something to do with that, but FF7 has been in popular culture for the last thirty years pretty much non-stop.
Thank you. Yuffie is the joke. Apart from a stab at ff X on a friend's PS2 I've never got into those types of games.
This breaks down for professionals that are self taught though. For example, I still to this day, say in my head "F-Stab " for fstab, instead of "F-S-Tab", and various other terms I learned when i was learning linux myself when I was 13. Didn't understand at the time that it stood for filesystems table, so f-stab is how I pronounced the term in my head. In the UEFI case, I'll just pronounce each letter at a time, U-E-F-I.
Give it time. "tracert" used to be "tray-cert" in my mind for the longest.
Its been over 20 years, lol f-stab ain't going anywhere.
Depends on the OS for me. Tracert is the way you say it, trace route is the way I say traceroute.
nginx, "ing - inks" I'm terrible at license plate puns, too.
I still pronounce it “n-jinx” even though I know now that’s wrong.
That's how everyone pronounces it in Russian, the native language of Igor Sysoev.
nginx rhymes with eugenics.
You're not wrong, but Jesus...
Being inside my mind is a curse, I admit. Also, I am technically wrong. According to their marketing page, it’s “engine x”.
like the guys that say interpreter and the other guys that say interpreter
I'm saying ‘trace-ert’ inside my mind, simply because that 's way cooler that ‘trace route’ or whatever.
I know it's file system tab. Don't care I WILL fucking stab this piece of shit. Stupid cursed file.
How do you pronounce fsck?
ef es check
lame
F-sec
If it helps, I worked at a BIOS company on one of the early UEFI firmwares (with Intel, who created the thing!) and we called it U-E-F-I, and same also at the major PC vendor I later worked for.
Much later I really cringed the first time I heard someone from MS say yoo-fi, but I've had to come around 😅 So I personally blame M$!
No worries that I'll ever fuss at you over BIOS vs UEFI unless we're dealing with a bootloader. Just make sure you have your boot order set right, and your secure boot settings the way you like (assuming UEFI), and the bootstrap fairy will bring your OS 🧡
Wiffee and saytuh irritate the shit out of me too.
They missed an opportunity to call it yiffi
U-E-F-I You ain’t got no alibi You ugly Eh! Hey! You ugly!
Ideally, I pronounce it "Libreboot."
I say "yoofee", but it hasn't mattered so far because I'm pretty sure I've never actually said it to anyone.
I work close to firmware and this is how we all say it, and we say it often. When speaking to execs it's always said by pronouncing each letter. You can watch us code shift (lingually) in meetings depending on who is asking the question.
U-E-F-I
You Aint Got No Alibi
You Eee Eff Eye
This one
Is that just a style pose, or does she have back problems from carrying that. Is that what the arm guard is for? To rebalance her weight?
fuck UEFI, it was a solution to a problem that Microsoft and all the tech oligopolies made up.
what if i tell you someone got DOOM on a UEFI shell
I would say that if UEFI can run doom it's needlessly complex as a BIOS alternative.
Someone got doom running on a pregnancy test too.
That would also make for a poor BIOS alternative.
Its not a bios alternative
but it is. BIOS is still a thing that still ships on new hardware.
UEFI is an alternative to BIOS.
But why can I have both?
Same for Secure Boot.
If it wasn't for Microsoft holding the signing keys, secure boot does make sense
I thought UEFI was just a solution to move to be able to work on GPT. Essentially the old setup (MBR)could only max out at 2.2 terabytes of storage, so if you needed more you were hosed. GPT can support magnitudes more storage and could support a lot more partitions. (Instead of 4, you could do say 32 without issue)
that's the neat thing with software, it can change.
BIOS itself wasn't broken, but it wasn't controllable by the tech companies.
closest thing I can compare the BIOS > UEFI switch is similar to how AI is currently being shoved down our throats.
I'm not understanding how being able to support say a 5tb hard drive during boot is the same as forcing AI on us. Can you extrapolate on what you mean there? Like once the initial drive boots sure I guess you could work around it (I have 1 media server that does just that), but you would just never be able to have the boot disk larger than 2.2tb. the 64 bit firmware is what I thought couldn't be stored on the hardware/serup previously used.
When UEFI was imposed upon the plebeians it was marketed as improving security and increasing hardware limitations. BIOS could have fulfilled those same requirements but Microsoft imposed TPM support which was new at the time by requiring TPM to install windows which in turn required UEFI over BIOS.
hardware developers, out of fear of not selling units, switched to UEFI because Microsoft strongarmed manufacturers into adopting UEFI by force.
similar business model to how AI is being rolled out to businesses. if you are running a company and plan on selling within the next year, you should be heavy on AI, otherwise not just potential buyers lose interest, but lenders have been rejecting proposals to purchase businesses that don't use AI.
BIOS was old, yes. it was also limited in by the bit-size however they were working on a replacement but refused to "play ball" with big tech. so naturally they created their own. within the first few years it was found that Microsoft was using UEFI to track installations of the OS on your system. so if you had installed windows more than 3 times on the system it would just brick the system. why does a glorified boot system need to track any of that? trick question, it doesn't.
UEFI was the first deathgrip big tech had on consumer electronics.
meanwhile flashing the bios is still called flashing the bios
ÜFI
In French we just say UEFI.
(ok without joke, we say it letters by letters, they all sound different)
I thought UEFIs would sound like: ue vais
No, it’s more like "Hue (without the H), Euh, Eff, Eee"
I’m not good at describing sounds…
That's too many vowels.
Uweee Eff Aye I met a girl online that literally called it Uni Extee Feee because it rhymed and sounded better to her and it drove the other techs she knew crazy.
Wifey that woman!
Would that I could... she was already taken.
Covfefe
When describing the boot process, bios. When configuring some CPU or memory setting, bios. When talking about some specific boot menu config, uefi.
It's the initializer for the bootloader for the bootstrapper for the initializer for the service manager.
…how did we get there?
abstractions for abstractions. such is the world of the computer. and rightfully so, i wouldnt want to input binary and get binary output
I say the letters U-E-F-I but often say BIOS interchangeably
Doesn't a UEFI provide a system for basic input and output?
So by that metric, isn't a UEFI, by default, also a BIOS?
I mean, very technically speaking, it's a set of standards for booting and it doesn't give a shit how platform init is implemented. "a UEFI" usually means the whole thing, so yes. Usually.
EwwwwwAHYFiii....
This is how it's pronounced in my head, and until now I've never had a reason for it.
Yoo-e-ef-eye you heathen.
But in all seriousness, yeah...
I'd been saying BIOS for decades before UEFI became the norm. Yes, I know it's no longer BIOS. No, I don't care. As far as I am concerned, anyone pedantic enough to nitpick about it is doing me a favor. They are identifying themselves as someone I don't want to be around.
When it does matter, my pronunciation is "you-fee"
For a while, they really were both. From that same UI, you choose for it to function as a legacy BIOS or a modern UEFI, and not just a CSM option. It probably ran UEFI underneath, but it's not something that's a clear cutover. This was around 1st Gen Intel Core, and might've been limited to Intel motherboards.
That’s how I feel about GB vs GiB (and TB vs TiB).
Ya, I treat that the same way. If it really matters, I know the difference and can use the correct one as needed. It's far more often that the difference doesn't matter and the only reason to use Gibibyte is for the "look at me, I'm trying to sound smart" effect. Yup, marketers fucked up gigabyte/megabyte/etc. But It's close enough for most conversations.
GiB and TiB only exist because advertisers suck.
Bunified Ixtensible OEM-firmware interfaSe
it's really quite simple. The B is silent because it is French.
This used to bother me back when the distinction was meaningful and both options were possible. These days it’s like saying “Velcro” for hook-and-loop tape.
UEFI is a BIOS
Same with SSL instead of TLS for some reason
"yewfee"
Now that's antisemitic
You-ayy-fee
U
E
F
I
Ew-Ee-Ef-i
I am just gonna say BIOS in english because to this day i have no idea how to pronounce UEFI, fucking english...
/uefi/ in my language
I like UEFI because of the way it sounds. I bet most non-native English speakers agree on it's pronunciation.
ooeffy
It's like the One Piece character's name, "Luffy" but without the "L".
"uffy".
/s, I just spell it out.
Firmware
Nah. For me that was the "version" of bios in which I could finally use my mouse to select stuff
Lately I've been bending people's names in cursive writing style out of coathanger wire.
The last name I made, I did not post. Why? I have no clue how to pronounce it..
Ogbuefi
Uwee feee
You-ee-fee
i just do u-ef-i
That might be better that my wheefy
lol
ÜFI
Uefefe
oofie
Uéfi. To try and sound it out for anglos, it'd come out sorta like "Weh-fee"
It works if you're a portuguese speaker
What do you call WiFi then?
WiFi is "Uai Fai" (so, just the way anglos pronounce it)
Unfortunately it's what people settled on. I'd love to call it "Vífe", which would be the natural Brazilian way to read out those letters, but yeah.
Ooeefee
that was me
Weffy
Ooh fee
“yeffy”
Weffi
isn't one of you named UEFI?
You-Fee
Weffy
It's pronounced, "kar-diff".
Fuck Intel.
"Intel Inside!" yeah I bet
wee fye
You-fee
Yo, effy
Oo-Eh-Fee or in normal notation: all vowels are pronounced the normal Italian way U-E-FI
"Weffy"
YewFee
Yooo feeeee
I pronounce it "platform firmware", or "firmware" when understood from context. When referring to specifically the part before it starts loading something else, "platform init code" and "init code", respectively.
I would call it this way for the original iMac, a SPARC station, a Silicon Graphics station, a Chromebook (modded or not), a cell phone (init code etched into SoC as "stage 0"), a regular plain old x86 computer.
On second thought, I would absolutely call all of these "BIOS" as well except the cell phone example where it's split.
I am sorry for the ad hominem but looking at OP's moderation history...It's like when someone says clip instead of magazine. Everyone knows what your talking about, stop being pedantic.
Not quite the same thing. BIOS and UEFI both refer to the firmware interface. There can only be one, they're mutually exclusive, and getting one instead of the other will rarely matter.
On the other hand, "clip" and "magazine" both refer to different things which have different purposes. Some firearms have clips and magazines. Sometimes the magazine is detachable, like on some SKSs, sometimes it isn't, like on some Mausers. Sometimes a clip is required to load, like on an M1 Garand, sometimes it isn't, like on a Mosin. If you ask for one when you mean the other, that will almost always matter because having the correct one is usually the difference between being able to reload and not.
Found the ammosexual.
Found the asshole.
How DARE someone take an interest in firearms and ammunition. What a MONSTER I must be.
Do you accuse archers of getting off to arrows? Do you also think mechanics like to fuck wrenches? Does everyone who speaks intelligently about computers get off to graphics cards too? Fucking weirdo.
Funny how Lemmings will smugly proclaim that X, Y, or Z doesn't define them, then turn around and label others for liking the "wrong" things.
if you can run a UEFI computer by putting a bios on it, I'll accept your comment
If you can find a computer that needs that, I'll accept yours.
Ugghh I'm going to load some bullets into my shotgun and snipe you with it.