They said pre-PS2, so there was also Dreamcast, N64, PS1 in the years before.
But 3DO was a really neat device at the time. I remember standing in Service Merchandise watching the demo graphics play and wanting one sooooo much. Then the PlayStation came out a few months later and I feel like that was it.
Don't forget the Atari Jaguar. Pre-ps2 would also include all the sega systems, NES, SNES, NeoGeo, the older Ataris. Leaving commodore and Apple out because they were more PCs than consoles. I think that's all of them but could be missing some rarer ones.
Jaguar, 3DO, and NeoGeo were like legends that in hindsight I'm glad I never got because they would have been disappointing most likely. None of them really blew up so only had a handful of games. Iirc most of the 3DO games were those live action ones that were more like choose your own adventure movies. Jaguar claimed to be 64bit but it was because of a technicality that was a bit of a stretch (something like it was capable of 64-bit math but it usually refers to the address width). NeoGeo was a system to play arcade games, so that might have been kinda cool, other than arcade games being the OG P2W platform because so many games were tuned to extract quarters rather than for fun.
There's a retro games store I go to every now and then that fulfilled a childhood dream of seeing a sega genesis with both the sega CD (the bit above that might have applied to the 3DO definitely did apply to the Sega CD) and the 32x (which I think was decent but didn't get popular).
The Sega CD might (this is more speculative than the rest so don't take this as fact) have even caused the PS to exist because Sony and Nintendo were working on a joint console that was going to be CD based but then Nintendo backed out and made the N64 instead. Sony, not wanting to abandon the work entirely, then pivoted and just made their own console. It wouldn't surprise me if the combination of Sega CD flopping plus their games not being very good and CDs adding annoying load time are what made Nintendo back out. It probably also helped Sony direct game markers towards better ideas than FMV.
Sega CD might have even caused the PS to exist because Sony and Nintendo were working on a joint console that was going to be CD based but then Nintendo backed out and made the N64 instead.
That's Nintendo and Sony, Sega had nothing to do with this. There are known SNES-based PlayStation prototypes. Nintendo then turned around and bungled the deal, consequently invoking the biggest gaming brand into existence.
I meant the Sega CD's performance and reception might have been a factor in Nintendo deciding they didn't actually want to bring their project with Sony to market.
That said, I looked at the actual timeline and see that that speculation was incorrect as the Sega CD came out in December 1991 while Nintendo backed out of the deal in June of that year.
Hooooly fuck @ the story, too.
Sony had completed a prototype but were positioning themselves to gain control over licensing and distribution of the disc format they were using, which made Nintendo think they weren't going for a partnership but full control.
So at the Consumer Electronics Show, Sony did a tech demo of their prototype. The very next day, Nintendo announced their partnership--with Philips, not Sony. This was the CD-I, another console I forgot about in my last comment (that also failed because of its focus on FMV games, including the only Zelda games for a non-Nintendo console).
Kinda interesting that this one story seems to contain both companies' full gaming arcs. Sony wanting control over their software ecosystem but being hated for it, and Nintendo wanting to keep control and pulling surprise dick moves to do so. There were no good guys in that story.
Though back to the original point, it wouldn't surprise me if the reception of all those initial disc-based consoles helped Sony steer away from shitty FMV games and make sure they had the great games library the PSX did have. But again this is just speculation that could also be based on an incorrect understanding of timing.
Check out also Psygnosis' role in PS1. They had some superhits like ‘Lemmings’, were directly involved in the development of the console, ordered cheap dev kits for it instead of custom workstations, made ‘Wipeout’ which singlehandedly changed the audience of consoles from schoolkids to college students. Under Sony, they were the liaison with third-party developers and stayed semi-independent, publishing other people's games. Until they were rewarded for all this in 2001 by being relegated to the ‘Wipeout’ and ‘Formula One’ series. (‘F1 '06’ was so goddamn hard that the player could straight up become a support driver and needed to do test laps and display consistency after that. But they lost the license to Codemasters the following year.)
don't be sad that you're old enough to have played on a real life ps2, or even ps1-- be glad that 9/11, 2008, covid, and 2 diaperman potus terms aren't the most significant core memories of your childhood
Growing up in Russia, my main exposure to 9/11 lore was that Tolkien's "Two Towers" (and yes, I know that in fact LOTR is six volumes, not three, and three volumes are publisher's decision to group them that stuck) in older adaptations was translated as, well, "two towers", but in newer ones as "two fortresses".
Because there was a lot of fashion to imitate being somehow connected to cultural and other events in the USA, that's also how older Russian TV propaganda focused on "terrorists" concerning Chechnya, basically doubling in tone news about USA in this or that about Iraq and so on.
It also successfully managed to show the ruling party as modern and western enough, and its opponents as a bunch of some mad old people from another age, bandits, neo-Nazis and out-of-this-world communists. Well, in the specific period of 2000-2007.
Which is also interesting in the sense of popular memory - it might seem weird that the general population in Russia really doesn't want anything from that emigrated opposition, well, because that's the exact kind of people who were the face of that government in 2000-2007, as a countermeasure to people like Starovoitova (already killed by then, just trying to explain the cultural image) and Sakharov or even Novodvorskaya.
And said general population is of all kinds of opinions and levels of education, and some of those layers and groups might even agree with those murders, but those were politicians and journalists, and these are whores. Whores are not a very respected kind of people.
I mean, that peace-loving bunch of fairies mostly consists of people who supported "pacifying" of Chechnya in the 00s. I understand they don't think that was a crime, well I do, so they can get fucked.
That's why the emigrant Russian opposition is not very popular in Russia. Well, after 2022 some more important things have happened on scale.
EDIT: Wrong thread, went on a rant. Just was very strange to remember that what's now the opposition and what's now the bloodied regime were once the same cultural entity, mimicking USA in all the wrong things.
i'm old. when 9/11 happened i heard about it on the radio on the way to work. when the DJ mentioned it being passed on to him by his producer, he thought it was a joke or prank call. then the 2nd plane hit, and it wasn't a joke. when i got to work we all went into the boardroom and watched the news for about an hour, then they cancelled the work day so everyone could go home and make phone calls
all that to say 9/11 wasn't a "childhood" memory for me
no. i got started with an atari. when i was in elementary school i had a famicom, which is the japanese version of the NES. PS1 came out when i was in high school
Your boyfriend is at most 25 35 years old, and only if you are 69.
Oooooh boy I'm glad that I already have everyone responding to you blocked.
My wife's ~15 years older than me, and while it generally doesn't matter more than making restaurant servers that check ID do a double take, there are times where her pulling me up past a stage of my life has resulted in me lacking some skills people normally build up during that time.
Just be safe and make sure you're doing what is truly best for each of you. Good luck and enjoy yourself.
"Are you old enough to have seen the console that had the most units produced over the longest lifetime of any other console, and which is still made in some parts of the world today?"
You can take a ps2 off Ebay, and with some pretty easy computering and a hard drive you can have a PS2 with hundreds of games built in. Downloading a terabyte of games is the longest part.
PS2..Pffft. I had a PlayStation. The indestructible grey box from the before times.
I played Final Fantasy VII, Driver, Silent Hill, Tekken 3, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Grand Theft Auto.
Unless the power was out, you could pop in a disc, read the booklet, and play to your heart's content.
Hell, if we are going to be talking old, how about playing Jeep Command or Pac-Man on the Commodore 64?
I need to go back in my dusty coffin and have a nap.
AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Played Tekken 3 with my friend and his brother on their PS.
Then we also played SW : RotS on our PS2.
The PS2 is still around somewhere, but its CD drive sensor is bad, so it doesn't detect when it's closed. And thus doesn't read discs. That was long ago. I need to find it, I think I'm grown up enough to fix one sensor or find a replacement drive.
I suppose the old game CDs all have scratches too bad to play, so some tinkering is expected to make it work.
And while there was an officially supported Linux version for it, of what I've read about it, it wasn't of much use even then and was an advertising move (if so, worked on my dad, I remember him mentioning that back then).
My PS1 lasted for 10 years of heavy use, but it still wasn't indestructible. That's a term I reserve only for the Atari 2600. I dug mine (I actually own two) out of the ashes of my house that burnt down. Only the atari, a few carts (2600 and NES) and my doc martens survived that fire. Its hilarious that they still work.
edit: the irony is that the infamous E.T. game remained unscathed. You can't kill pure evil.
Same, i even modernized him, bought a MX4IO and a 64 mb elf memory cards, two wireless controllers and a HDMI Adaptor who is powered by his own USB port
For some reason I found a USB to ethernet network adaptor on my floor in my dorm room (no idea how it got there, just noticed it under the bed one day) at university and tried it with the PS2 I played using a TV in card for my PC and it just worked. Played some online Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 with it.
Contrast to today, where my PS5 supports Bluetooth but when I paired it with my Bluetooth headset, it didn't recognize it and I'm sure that was deliberate to get people to buy Sony's (or partners) headsets. Which is one of the reasons I probably won't ever bother with a console again (though Sony has been generous and has provided me with plenty of reasons to not bother).
Come now, child, it's time to commune with us, the deep ones. We who witnessed the 8088 and Apple II's in the computer store, the Commodores, the Ataris, the Coleco visions, we who played Pong on the Atari Home Pong console.
These children haven't even danced on a home DDR pad, settling for Nintendo and Microsoft's weak tracking methods.
Uh, I'm not sure what you mean by "settling for Nintendo's weak tracking method". There were home DDR pads for the Wii, I know that because I still have one.
Not a very popular computer, but it set a standard that was nearly ubiquitous for mice until USB took over and was popular on keyboards even after that.
That connection was around longer than people may think. My first job in IT was 2006 and I swear that it was still the standard for Dell PC's with the keyboard and mouse that came with them. I wanna say it didnt really switch over to USB fully until around 2010.
I just remember the one thing I hated about it is if you didnt have it plugged in before starting the PC you had to restart once it was because it just wouldnt work unless it was seen at boot.
Oh I know, nothing really truly dies and I think there was a resurgance at one point, but I was more referring to when the default switched to USB at least for business model purchases.
I remember staying up all night long with a group of friends of mine. We took turns driving by Target where one guy worked and he knew they were getting a shipment of PS2s in.
We formed battle plans based on who wanted the PS2 the most , down to me, who would buy one if there were enough, but didn't overly care if I had to wait a few months to get one. Since I cared less, and am over 6ft I was dubbed crowd control. The guy that worked there drew the floorplan and showed us where the display was going. Our caffeine fueled plans had us developing different formations and routes to ensure as many PS2s for the group as possible and delay other people as long as possible. And contingency plans if a different customer took an alternate route around the crowd to get there first.
Once we saw the line starting to form at around 2am we all drove down and got in line and camped out till 6am when the store opened.
Our plans were dashed, but held in reserve just in case things went south when we learned the store manager was a levelheaded individual. He passed out numbers for each of us based on our position in line.
I was #12.
The line never got longer than the number of PS2s they had in stock, so our plans were doubly dashed as there was absolutly zero confrontation.
It was a fun fantasy for a while though. These were the same kids that had baseball bats and ski masks at the ready when Y2K happened. They patrolled the town at midnight looking for signs that everything crashed and were going to join in if they saw anyone looting. They wouldn't start the looting, but were ready with a wishlist from various stores. Best Buy was high in their priorities.
That also never happened. But boy were they ready.
I had some friends that worked at a major retailer. When the first shipment of PS2s arrived, a few somehow ended up in a dumpster. They were taken in from the cold and found loving homes.
I was there, 3000 years ago when PlayStation was first born. When we rewired the circuits to play CD's we burned as tribute to ensure our 1MB memory cards would not fall to corruption.
Seeing how old a youtube video is makes me feel older than this. Like I see 16y on a YouTube video I was watching literally 16 years ago and I feel old from that.
This though, it throws me into a nostalgia loop of man I do miss playing ps1 games on the ps2, spending time with my brother, buying accessories for it like the memory cards and the controllers with extra vibration or the ones with the fans in the handles. Man those were good times. Playing dbz budokai 2 and soul caliber 2. Awww man the THPS games were fuckin' sick on that. The Matt Hoffman bike games!!!!
recently i was chatting with some colleagues, i know i was the oldest, bit didn't expect on how much oh a gap there is. so we talked about some topic and i asked, who still remembers the release of the starters prequels... the answer was that not a single one of them was alive at the time... that moment i grew even more gray....
I was in college when it was released. We put the couch in the back of the truck and put it in front of the Best Buy. We camped all night with everyone else and it was quite a party. We were also the few that had one for a while.
Do people actually toss away their stuff the moment an add for the next generation rolls out?
I grow up with a lot of technology much older that me because people still had it. Typically, a elderly house would have older stuff than people the age of my parent. I had new toys and stuffs from the last generation and plenty of older hand me down from older siblings and oncles.
It blows my mind to see some young people so uneducated about the very recent past. You didn't live this time but the majority of the society in which you take part did. How could this be so exotic to you?
I still have every Nintendo console sold (except for game cube) starting at Nintendo - switch1. I lost the cube to an ex but the wii plays it's games so
I'm am amateur musician who has gotten into recording over the last couple of years, and I've been buying old recording tech from 20 years ago for super cheap. I'm buying barely used gear that was hundreds of dollars (or more) when it was new, for less than $50. This is gear better than classic albums from the 70s and 80s were recorded on, and now it's sitting on my desk. I'm having a blast.
Was recently talking to a working student at $DAYJOB about LLMs and wanted to make the point that the pay-per-use model shows they're still a relatively new/immature technology. So, I likened them to mobile phone calls, which would generally cost you per minute in the early 2000s.
I was born in the 2000s, I've heard of the PS2 but never had one in my life (although I had original Xboxes in my life so maybe I just had the weird family). I had a PS3 growing up, and a few of my friends had xb360s, but then I moved to PC.
or at least that's the ones that were kept around long enough for me to get my hands on them. I haven't seen any old consoles IRL outside of that, or at least not any that I remember 😆
Since they had kids i'll list the systems I (or shared with my siblings) own
dsi
Wii
3ds
Switch
PS5 (I don't see the appeal tbh)
Gaming PC (played nothing but Minecraft for about 2 years)
Steamdeck (LCD, OLED)
GBA I modded with a LCD screen, but that was like a year ago so I don't rly count it
Tried a friends switch 2 and it's pretty cool but the fact my steamdeck has over 100 of my PC games WITH SAVES just makes the entire console seem kinda silly. Also there's no soul to it which makes it even more unappealing :/
if I were to get a "console" nowadays it would probably be either a steam machine or a PC from secondhand parts in steam big picture
edit: worth mentioning I'm gen Z (2007) and my parents are early millennials
That's just the way it is now. Humans used to go generations with minimal change. In this alien existence we've created things change drastically in just a decade or two. That said a lot of things still never change like human behavior or motivations. There's still a lot of wisdom about life someone can gather and pass down as they see fit. As they say, the more things change the more they stay the same.
It's hard to explain to young people how much the world changed just about 15 years ago, when the Smartphone was first released. That was an invention on par with the TV.
I'll never forget the first moment in like 2010. I was out at the zoo, pulled out my phone and looked up a restaurant nearby instead of just going out and looking for one and then I was aware we were all fucked. Totally plugged in to the internet all the time anywhere anytime.
Hanging out with old people is fun anyway, I used to love doing that as a kid. Sat with them while they played bridge and learned a whole lot about life from them. Somehow I don't think the boomers would be as kind to children nowadays, as a whole, but there's still decent old folks left if you know where to look.
Seen a PS2 buddy, I still have a PS2. It's chilling next to my TV collecting dust until I get the urge to play need for speed underground, cabelas outdoor adventures, 007 or sims 2 castaway again!
Man......I'm way out of here with my understanding of German currency. I thought the German mark was the currency they introduced after WWI when they started just printing money to pay back the allies.
Then I thought they abandoned it in favor of the euro which came after WWII.
The german currency after WWI was just called Mark, then after the hyperinflation it was replaced by the Reichsmark. After WWII came the Deutsche Mark. After the cold war the Euro.
You might be from outside of the Eurozone, and/or very young (I mean this in a respectful way). The European Central Bank et al. decided to have a transitional period in the participating countries.
Yeah, the atari joysticks were garbage. Only my better third party joysticks held up, the official ones died when I was still a kid and the console was still being sold.
I am old enough to have some those things but my kids Grandparents have gone full MAGA so... No? They won't have that experience. And even if they weren't. My parents threw all of my shit out unlike my own grandmother who always has a room ready
Actually I still own a Sega Genesis. The same one. It's downstairs in a box. Now then, someone find me my walker so I can take a mid afternoon nap before my three o'clock dinner...
Man, I remember playing Camel and Parsec as a kid.
You know, last century, back in the 1900s when music was either carried around on massive flat disks you scratched with a needle to listen to, or very long rolls of magnetic plastic film very expertly wound, and commercial internet wasn't quite available yet.
I got stupidly lucky. My dad was/is a computer programmer consultant, so he needed to upgrade his machine every couple to few years. We had the Internet at home by Aug of 1986, and hand-me-down computers as kids.
Ps3 came out in the end of 2006, but the ps2 was such a good console that it outshined the ps3 and 4 for a long time, arguably into the early 2010s. Let's say 2011.
To have seen a real one in real life, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, and say "seen" means seen and not owned or played. I'll say that means "been around one in use by a friend or family member". Kids as young as 5-7 years old can operate one of those.
So, in 2011 (yeah we're playing with huge averages and assumptions) a kid would have to be let's even say 6 years old, and so therefore born in 2005? Making the youngest person whoever this anklebiter accepts as relatable or human or whatever, to be now 21 years old.
Which like, yeah, that's a fuckin weird way to guage things? But to be fair, after going over the years, from a child's perspective, yeah it's an old console.
The counter argument is, though, that while the graphics aren't that great anymore, the gameplay and experiences are still top tier in the best ~100 or 50 or so ps2 games. That's a shitload of good games that, even compared to now, with the indie games' renaissance, have incredible value and influence.
Also, games in the past 20 years really haven't progressed as much as the 20 years prior. Graphically, maybe, but graphical fidelity is not the game part of the game, and 99% of the time, it isn't the experience, either.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
When I was growing up, I met older people who had seen the Beatles perform live, had seen Jimi Hendrix perform live, and had gone to Woodstock (and hated it).
Flex on them, you experienced the golden age of gaming. Anyone would yearn for that kind of era of gaming where it wasn't a wealth-extraction operation at every release.
gen-z are not only dumber than their parents but less cool.
they don't even wear baggy jeans right. dudes are out there flexing cropped t-shirts with confidence like it isn't a bad look even without any gay connotations.
I have two in my closet and one downstairs in the TV Room, just in case one of them gives up. Plenty spare controllers as well. Made some of my best childhood/teen gaming memories with that console. Played it at the first sleepover i ever went to and at a boatload of family gatherings. It still gets use to this day for racing games when the family is here.
My coworker once asked to me take out a loan so she could buy some kind of trinket, I told her no and gave her my old PS2 instead. Ever since then she gives me a real good Nantucket Narb Snarfie before bed every night. I've never ejaculated so much in my life. It's a shame she passed away 54 years ago.
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I’m old enough to have been an engineer of a pre-PS2 system. All I’m going to say.
Ooh, was it the Colecovision‽ It's the height of the art for me.
best
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColecoVision
Coleco-crew represent!
Just rolling through here like "Do not cite the old firmware to me Witch. I was there when it was written."
If 3DO you are truly goated!
Played it at my cousin's as a kid. Some motorcycle game.
But I've also got an og TurboGrafx16
They said pre-PS2, so there was also Dreamcast, N64, PS1 in the years before.
But 3DO was a really neat device at the time. I remember standing in Service Merchandise watching the demo graphics play and wanting one sooooo much. Then the PlayStation came out a few months later and I feel like that was it.
Holy shit, Service Merchandise... Oof, I just aged another few decades remembering that store!
Don't forget the Atari Jaguar. Pre-ps2 would also include all the sega systems, NES, SNES, NeoGeo, the older Ataris. Leaving commodore and Apple out because they were more PCs than consoles. I think that's all of them but could be missing some rarer ones.
Jaguar, 3DO, and NeoGeo were like legends that in hindsight I'm glad I never got because they would have been disappointing most likely. None of them really blew up so only had a handful of games. Iirc most of the 3DO games were those live action ones that were more like choose your own adventure movies. Jaguar claimed to be 64bit but it was because of a technicality that was a bit of a stretch (something like it was capable of 64-bit math but it usually refers to the address width). NeoGeo was a system to play arcade games, so that might have been kinda cool, other than arcade games being the OG P2W platform because so many games were tuned to extract quarters rather than for fun.
There's a retro games store I go to every now and then that fulfilled a childhood dream of seeing a sega genesis with both the sega CD (the bit above that might have applied to the 3DO definitely did apply to the Sega CD) and the 32x (which I think was decent but didn't get popular).
The Sega CD might (this is more speculative than the rest so don't take this as fact) have even caused the PS to exist because Sony and Nintendo were working on a joint console that was going to be CD based but then Nintendo backed out and made the N64 instead. Sony, not wanting to abandon the work entirely, then pivoted and just made their own console. It wouldn't surprise me if the combination of Sega CD flopping plus their games not being very good and CDs adding annoying load time are what made Nintendo back out. It probably also helped Sony direct game markers towards better ideas than FMV.
That's Nintendo and Sony, Sega had nothing to do with this. There are known SNES-based PlayStation prototypes. Nintendo then turned around and bungled the deal, consequently invoking the biggest gaming brand into existence.
I meant the Sega CD's performance and reception might have been a factor in Nintendo deciding they didn't actually want to bring their project with Sony to market.
That said, I looked at the actual timeline and see that that speculation was incorrect as the Sega CD came out in December 1991 while Nintendo backed out of the deal in June of that year.
Hooooly fuck @ the story, too.
Sony had completed a prototype but were positioning themselves to gain control over licensing and distribution of the disc format they were using, which made Nintendo think they weren't going for a partnership but full control.
So at the Consumer Electronics Show, Sony did a tech demo of their prototype. The very next day, Nintendo announced their partnership--with Philips, not Sony. This was the CD-I, another console I forgot about in my last comment (that also failed because of its focus on FMV games, including the only Zelda games for a non-Nintendo console).
Kinda interesting that this one story seems to contain both companies' full gaming arcs. Sony wanting control over their software ecosystem but being hated for it, and Nintendo wanting to keep control and pulling surprise dick moves to do so. There were no good guys in that story.
Though back to the original point, it wouldn't surprise me if the reception of all those initial disc-based consoles helped Sony steer away from shitty FMV games and make sure they had the great games library the PSX did have. But again this is just speculation that could also be based on an incorrect understanding of timing.
Check out also Psygnosis' role in PS1. They had some superhits like ‘Lemmings’, were directly involved in the development of the console, ordered cheap dev kits for it instead of custom workstations, made ‘Wipeout’ which singlehandedly changed the audience of consoles from schoolkids to college students. Under Sony, they were the liaison with third-party developers and stayed semi-independent, publishing other people's games. Until they were rewarded for all this in 2001 by being relegated to the ‘Wipeout’ and ‘Formula One’ series. (‘F1 '06’ was so goddamn hard that the player could straight up become a support driver and needed to do test laps and display consistency after that. But they lost the license to Codemasters the following year.)
o7
(drops to knees and bows down in engineer)
We are not worthy! But thank you for inspiring the next generation of us.
Whoa, you were there when the console was forged. Amazing.
Have you actually used an IBM PS/2?
I learned to type on one.
you are my elder, I bow down to you 🙇♀️
You know what they do with engineers when they turn 40?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgrkd41n2v9o
Salud!
don't be sad that you're old enough to have played on a real life ps2, or even ps1-- be glad that 9/11, 2008, covid, and 2 diaperman potus terms aren't the most significant core memories of your childhood
For real, I would feel like such a wizened sage if I was asked about the PS2 by some youngster!
What? I had a PS1 and PS2, and 9/11 is one of my earliest memories. ‘08 was also childhood suckery.
Covid + PedOTUS is a separate generation.
my mistake
9/11 is my first memory that still has visuals attached to it because i vividly remember the room i was in when it was on tv. I own 3 ps2s as well
Growing up in Russia, my main exposure to 9/11 lore was that Tolkien's "Two Towers" (and yes, I know that in fact LOTR is six volumes, not three, and three volumes are publisher's decision to group them that stuck) in older adaptations was translated as, well, "two towers", but in newer ones as "two fortresses".
Because there was a lot of fashion to imitate being somehow connected to cultural and other events in the USA, that's also how older Russian TV propaganda focused on "terrorists" concerning Chechnya, basically doubling in tone news about USA in this or that about Iraq and so on.
It also successfully managed to show the ruling party as modern and western enough, and its opponents as a bunch of some mad old people from another age, bandits, neo-Nazis and out-of-this-world communists. Well, in the specific period of 2000-2007.
Which is also interesting in the sense of popular memory - it might seem weird that the general population in Russia really doesn't want anything from that emigrated opposition, well, because that's the exact kind of people who were the face of that government in 2000-2007, as a countermeasure to people like Starovoitova (already killed by then, just trying to explain the cultural image) and Sakharov or even Novodvorskaya.
And said general population is of all kinds of opinions and levels of education, and some of those layers and groups might even agree with those murders, but those were politicians and journalists, and these are whores. Whores are not a very respected kind of people.
I mean, that peace-loving bunch of fairies mostly consists of people who supported "pacifying" of Chechnya in the 00s. I understand they don't think that was a crime, well I do, so they can get fucked.
That's why the emigrant Russian opposition is not very popular in Russia. Well, after 2022 some more important things have happened on scale.
EDIT: Wrong thread, went on a rant. Just was very strange to remember that what's now the opposition and what's now the bloodied regime were once the same cultural entity, mimicking USA in all the wrong things.
9/11 and COVID were 20 years apart my man
That's one long childhood
Hey, I'm not finished yet!
yea. i made the comment with us 45+ yr old people in mind. my bad
I might be stupid but it still doesn't make any sense to me
i'm old. when 9/11 happened i heard about it on the radio on the way to work. when the DJ mentioned it being passed on to him by his producer, he thought it was a joke or prank call. then the 2nd plane hit, and it wasn't a joke. when i got to work we all went into the boardroom and watched the news for about an hour, then they cancelled the work day so everyone could go home and make phone calls
all that to say 9/11 wasn't a "childhood" memory for me
Then PS1 and PS2 weren't part of your childhood either right?
no. i got started with an atari. when i was in elementary school i had a famicom, which is the japanese version of the NES. PS1 came out when i was in high school
Not only do I know what a PS2 is, I know what a PS/2 is too.
Ohhh, I played soooo much PS/2. It was such a blast. Could do nearly anything. My fav game may have been Win95.
Only game I could seem to run was Driver.
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Your boyfriend is 24‽
Well actually I guess that’s consenting adult range, carry on.
Hello fellow interrobang user. Interrobanger for short :)
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Your boyfriend is at most
2535 years old, and only if you are 69.Oooooh boy I'm glad that I already have everyone responding to you blocked.
My wife's ~15 years older than me, and while it generally doesn't matter more than making restaurant servers that check ID do a double take, there are times where her pulling me up past a stage of my life has resulted in me lacking some skills people normally build up during that time.
Just be safe and make sure you're doing what is truly best for each of you. Good luck and enjoy yourself.
Might wanna check your math there
Do you mean 59?
Um.......how old is your boyfriend?
Oh,ok. Thats fine. I was getting concerned he was like 8. I was gonna be like "FBI? Yes, this post right here."
Why? Is it just like the best pussy ever?
You really shouldn't be asking a witch that...
"Are you old enough to have seen the console that had the most units produced over the longest lifetime of any other console, and which is still made in some parts of the world today?"
the ps2 was discontinued worldwide on 4 january 2013
Which means that teenager was very likely ALSO alive when the last one was made
I want a brand new ps2 with all the old ps2 games. I bet it exists, eh?
You can take a ps2 off Ebay, and with some pretty easy computering and a hard drive you can have a PS2 with hundreds of games built in. Downloading a terabyte of games is the longest part.
PS2..Pffft. I had a PlayStation. The indestructible grey box from the before times. I played Final Fantasy VII, Driver, Silent Hill, Tekken 3, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Grand Theft Auto. Unless the power was out, you could pop in a disc, read the booklet, and play to your heart's content. Hell, if we are going to be talking old, how about playing Jeep Command or Pac-Man on the Commodore 64? I need to go back in my dusty coffin and have a nap. AND GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Played Tekken 3 with my friend and his brother on their PS.
Then we also played SW : RotS on our PS2.
The PS2 is still around somewhere, but its CD drive sensor is bad, so it doesn't detect when it's closed. And thus doesn't read discs. That was long ago. I need to find it, I think I'm grown up enough to fix one sensor or find a replacement drive.
I suppose the old game CDs all have scratches too bad to play, so some tinkering is expected to make it work.
And while there was an officially supported Linux version for it, of what I've read about it, it wasn't of much use even then and was an advertising move (if so, worked on my dad, I remember him mentioning that back then).
Your PS1 was indestructible? The optical drive on every one I've ever seen had some sort of significant issue.
My PS1 lasted for 10 years of heavy use, but it still wasn't indestructible. That's a term I reserve only for the Atari 2600. I dug mine (I actually own two) out of the ashes of my house that burnt down. Only the atari, a few carts (2600 and NES) and my doc martens survived that fire. Its hilarious that they still work.
edit: the irony is that the infamous E.T. game remained unscathed. You can't kill pure evil.
It still ran when I gave it away a couple of years ago.
I still have one somewhere in the electronics graveyard
I still own my PS2 and it works
Same, i even modernized him, bought a MX4IO and a 64 mb elf memory cards, two wireless controllers and a HDMI Adaptor who is powered by his own USB port
Same here... Over the years I even ended up with a modem and HDD for it. Great system.
For some reason I found a USB to ethernet network adaptor on my floor in my dorm room (no idea how it got there, just noticed it under the bed one day) at university and tried it with the PS2 I played using a TV in card for my PC and it just worked. Played some online Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 with it.
Contrast to today, where my PS5 supports Bluetooth but when I paired it with my Bluetooth headset, it didn't recognize it and I'm sure that was deliberate to get people to buy Sony's (or partners) headsets. Which is one of the reasons I probably won't ever bother with a console again (though Sony has been generous and has provided me with plenty of reasons to not bother).
That's good, take care of it and enjoy it. My Dreamcast GD-Rom finally gave up last year, but some day I'll replace it.
Come now, child, it's time to commune with us, the deep ones. We who witnessed the 8088 and Apple II's in the computer store, the Commodores, the Ataris, the Coleco visions, we who played Pong on the Atari Home Pong console.
These children haven't even danced on a home DDR pad, settling for Nintendo and Microsoft's weak tracking methods.
Pong was my first, in Germany. I was so excited. I miss those days.
Uh, I'm not sure what you mean by "settling for Nintendo's weak tracking method". There were home DDR pads for the Wii, I know that because I still have one.
The WII is 20 years old, they all had dancepads 20 years ago.
The only ones still running ddr have camera or motion controllers. dancepads are mostly dead tech
I have seen a PS2, never had one. I've also seen an IBM PS/2.
(I have a PS1 somewhere, too. And the first computer I ran Linux on was an IBM PS/1.)
IBM... PS/2?
Not a very popular computer, but it set a standard that was nearly ubiquitous for mice until USB took over and was popular on keyboards even after that.
Wow, TIL
That connection was around longer than people may think. My first job in IT was 2006 and I swear that it was still the standard for Dell PC's with the keyboard and mouse that came with them. I wanna say it didnt really switch over to USB fully until around 2010.
I just remember the one thing I hated about it is if you didnt have it plugged in before starting the PC you had to restart once it was because it just wouldnt work unless it was seen at boot.
You can still get modern motherboards with PS/2.
And yeah, it isn't hot-pluggable. I think that probably had as much to do with killing it off as the versatility of USB.
Oh I know, nothing really truly dies and I think there was a resurgance at one point, but I was more referring to when the default switched to USB at least for business model purchases.
PS2? I started gaming on an Atari and Comodore 64.
I just found an Atari 800xl and a bunch of games in a dumpster.
I bought my PS2 from Toys R Us...
Crumbles into dust...
I still have my PS2, and my son and I just beat FFVIII on it. He will learn the old ways
Are you intentionally making him play the worst FF game as punishment? /s
My friend brought over his PS2 to play guitar hero last year. Im not even 30 what did the tiktok attention span do to the kids 😭
I remember staying up all night long with a group of friends of mine. We took turns driving by Target where one guy worked and he knew they were getting a shipment of PS2s in.
We formed battle plans based on who wanted the PS2 the most , down to me, who would buy one if there were enough, but didn't overly care if I had to wait a few months to get one. Since I cared less, and am over 6ft I was dubbed crowd control. The guy that worked there drew the floorplan and showed us where the display was going. Our caffeine fueled plans had us developing different formations and routes to ensure as many PS2s for the group as possible and delay other people as long as possible. And contingency plans if a different customer took an alternate route around the crowd to get there first.
Once we saw the line starting to form at around 2am we all drove down and got in line and camped out till 6am when the store opened.
Our plans were dashed, but held in reserve just in case things went south when we learned the store manager was a levelheaded individual. He passed out numbers for each of us based on our position in line.
I was #12.
The line never got longer than the number of PS2s they had in stock, so our plans were doubly dashed as there was absolutly zero confrontation.
It was a fun fantasy for a while though. These were the same kids that had baseball bats and ski masks at the ready when Y2K happened. They patrolled the town at midnight looking for signs that everything crashed and were going to join in if they saw anyone looting. They wouldn't start the looting, but were ready with a wishlist from various stores. Best Buy was high in their priorities.
That also never happened. But boy were they ready.
I had some friends that worked at a major retailer. When the first shipment of PS2s arrived, a few somehow ended up in a dumpster. They were taken in from the cold and found loving homes.
Sounds like you found some employee's stash before he could get back to it.
I was there, 3000 years ago when PlayStation was first born. When we rewired the circuits to play CD's we burned as tribute to ensure our 1MB memory cards would not fall to corruption.
Kid, I'm old enough to have played Playstation games in my walkman for the music.
That's impressive. Playing them in a Discman is easy, but a Walkman?
I suppose at 8 years old the difference between the two was lost. I just enjoyed getting to listen to Rob Zombie without my mom knowing.
Discman/Walkman thing aside, they were some games that made excellent CDs. The Wipeout games and N2O are the first to come to mind.
Seeing how old a youtube video is makes me feel older than this. Like I see 16y on a YouTube video I was watching literally 16 years ago and I feel old from that.
This though, it throws me into a nostalgia loop of man I do miss playing ps1 games on the ps2, spending time with my brother, buying accessories for it like the memory cards and the controllers with extra vibration or the ones with the fans in the handles. Man those were good times. Playing dbz budokai 2 and soul caliber 2. Awww man the THPS games were fuckin' sick on that. The Matt Hoffman bike games!!!!
Yea it was truly a legendary system.
recently i was chatting with some colleagues, i know i was the oldest, bit didn't expect on how much oh a gap there is. so we talked about some topic and i asked, who still remembers the release of the starters prequels... the answer was that not a single one of them was alive at the time... that moment i grew even more gray....
Oof
I was in college when it was released. We put the couch in the back of the truck and put it in front of the Best Buy. We camped all night with everyone else and it was quite a party. We were also the few that had one for a while.
So you’re in your late 20s and already letting punks call you old?
Do people actually toss away their stuff the moment an add for the next generation rolls out?
I grow up with a lot of technology much older that me because people still had it. Typically, a elderly house would have older stuff than people the age of my parent. I had new toys and stuffs from the last generation and plenty of older hand me down from older siblings and oncles.
It blows my mind to see some young people so uneducated about the very recent past. You didn't live this time but the majority of the society in which you take part did. How could this be so exotic to you?
I still have every Nintendo console sold (except for game cube) starting at Nintendo - switch1. I lost the cube to an ex but the wii plays it's games so
I'm am amateur musician who has gotten into recording over the last couple of years, and I've been buying old recording tech from 20 years ago for super cheap. I'm buying barely used gear that was hundreds of dollars (or more) when it was new, for less than $50. This is gear better than classic albums from the 70s and 80s were recorded on, and now it's sitting on my desk. I'm having a blast.
Was recently talking to a working student at $DAYJOB about LLMs and wanted to make the point that the pay-per-use model shows they're still a relatively new/immature technology. So, I likened them to mobile phone calls, which would generally cost you per minute in the early 2000s.
Yeah, she had no idea what I was talking about.
Who hasn't seen a PS2? That must be a very young person.
I was born in the 2000s, I've heard of the PS2 but never had one in my life (although I had original Xboxes in my life so maybe I just had the weird family). I had a PS3 growing up, and a few of my friends had xb360s, but then I moved to PC.
The only game systems my parents had were the
or at least that's the ones that were kept around long enough for me to get my hands on them. I haven't seen any old consoles IRL outside of that, or at least not any that I remember 😆
Since they had kids i'll list the systems I (or shared with my siblings) own
Tried a friends switch 2 and it's pretty cool but the fact my steamdeck has over 100 of my PC games WITH SAVES just makes the entire console seem kinda silly. Also there's no soul to it which makes it even more unappealing :/
if I were to get a "console" nowadays it would probably be either a steam machine or a PC from secondhand parts in steam big picture
edit: worth mentioning I'm gen Z (2007) and my parents are early millennials
That's just the way it is now. Humans used to go generations with minimal change. In this alien existence we've created things change drastically in just a decade or two. That said a lot of things still never change like human behavior or motivations. There's still a lot of wisdom about life someone can gather and pass down as they see fit. As they say, the more things change the more they stay the same.
It's hard to explain to young people how much the world changed just about 15 years ago, when the Smartphone was first released. That was an invention on par with the TV.
I'll never forget the first moment in like 2010. I was out at the zoo, pulled out my phone and looked up a restaurant nearby instead of just going out and looking for one and then I was aware we were all fucked. Totally plugged in to the internet all the time anywhere anytime.
Hanging out with old people is fun anyway, I used to love doing that as a kid. Sat with them while they played bridge and learned a whole lot about life from them. Somehow I don't think the boomers would be as kind to children nowadays, as a whole, but there's still decent old folks left if you know where to look.
Seen a PS2 buddy, I still have a PS2. It's chilling next to my TV collecting dust until I get the urge to play need for speed underground, cabelas outdoor adventures, 007 or sims 2 castaway again!
i have an maintain my PS2 for god of war and marvel vs Capcom 2
880 german mark was the price back then.... Was released right befor the euro came....
Man......I'm way out of here with my understanding of German currency. I thought the German mark was the currency they introduced after WWI when they started just printing money to pay back the allies.
Then I thought they abandoned it in favor of the euro which came after WWII.
My timeline/understanding is way off
I mean, it did come after WWII. 54 years after.
I also came after WWII
The german currency after WWI was just called Mark, then after the hyperinflation it was replaced by the Reichsmark. After WWII came the Deutsche Mark. After the cold war the Euro.
So there was a two year period where Germany had two currencys? The Deutsche Mark and the Euro from 1999-2001?
You might be from outside of the Eurozone, and/or very young (I mean this in a respectful way). The European Central Bank et al. decided to have a transitional period in the participating countries.
And a period basically without official currency, where people used money minted by pension funds interestingly
I'm kinda glad i lived in an era when we actually owned the games we bought and i still have a PS2.
Did nobody visit their grandparents and play atari games? Did people stop hanging onto their old games and consoles?
I still have a 2600 and a Nes.
The joysticks are 80% shot. the edge connector on the nes is about 15 min from wanting to play to getting it to play.
Yeah, the atari joysticks were garbage. Only my better third party joysticks held up, the official ones died when I was still a kid and the console was still being sold.
Damn, replacements are cheap af https://www.supremegamegear.com/products/retro-classic-joystick-controller-gamepad-replacement-for-atari-2600-console-system
Those aren't official joysticks, but I am somehow doubtful they could be any less shitty than the real deal haha
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Maybe get a couple and put some pinball switches in them.
I had a neighbor with a colecovision, that still feels like a fever dream
I am old enough to have some those things but my kids Grandparents have gone full MAGA so... No? They won't have that experience. And even if they weren't. My parents threw all of my shit out unlike my own grandmother who always has a room ready
Ok got it lemmy is unc core now
Wut?
a teenager at work asked me if I was old enough to "have seen a C64 in real life" and if anyone needs me I will be quietly walking into the sea¹
¹millennial humor; often self-deprecating, dramatic
No, what is unc core?
uncle hardcore
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unc
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-core
I had a Spectrum ZX81 as a boy
how was it? i'm curious about the zx81.
Literally just walk into CeX (or any non-British equivalent) and there will be at least three on display.
I did also briefly own a PS2 Slim, but my mum got rid of it because I didn't use it enough (I still have my Wii to this day, though).
And yet I'm old enough to have seen the release of the original PlayStation and old enough to remember it
I’m old enough to remember the release of the nes
I'm old enough to forget everything.
I'm old enough to smell toast
I never really cared about history until I started recalling it as a lived experience, and I expect to stop when I no longer can.
I haven't played video games since the Atari 2600. You kids don't know!! Back in my day I had to walk ten miles in the snow for a hit of ecstacy
In our day we had to walk seventeen miles down the beach to get into the deep end of the ocean
around here the droughts are so bad that you need to walk much further
It's less about dryitude and more about olditude. I don't doubt you for a second tho, dude
So is that why you old folks f*cked up the planet so that ocean can come vist us 17 miles high \s
My last console 😢
Me sad, me nostalgic
My consolences.
I owned a sega Genesis.
Actually I still own a Sega Genesis. The same one. It's downstairs in a box. Now then, someone find me my walker so I can take a mid afternoon nap before my three o'clock dinner...
I started on an Atari 2600.
TI 99/A-4
Man, I remember playing Camel and Parsec as a kid.
You know, last century, back in the 1900s when music was either carried around on massive flat disks you scratched with a needle to listen to, or very long rolls of magnetic plastic film very expertly wound, and commercial internet wasn't quite available yet.
I got stupidly lucky. My dad was/is a computer programmer consultant, so he needed to upgrade his machine every couple to few years. We had the Internet at home by Aug of 1986, and hand-me-down computers as kids.
Hey, TI bros o/
I technically got the TI after already having an Atari though.
Ps3 came out in the end of 2006, but the ps2 was such a good console that it outshined the ps3 and 4 for a long time, arguably into the early 2010s. Let's say 2011.
To have seen a real one in real life, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, and say "seen" means seen and not owned or played. I'll say that means "been around one in use by a friend or family member". Kids as young as 5-7 years old can operate one of those.
So, in 2011 (yeah we're playing with huge averages and assumptions) a kid would have to be let's even say 6 years old, and so therefore born in 2005? Making the youngest person whoever this anklebiter accepts as relatable or human or whatever, to be now 21 years old.
Which like, yeah, that's a fuckin weird way to guage things? But to be fair, after going over the years, from a child's perspective, yeah it's an old console.
The counter argument is, though, that while the graphics aren't that great anymore, the gameplay and experiences are still top tier in the best ~100 or 50 or so ps2 games. That's a shitload of good games that, even compared to now, with the indie games' renaissance, have incredible value and influence.
Also, games in the past 20 years really haven't progressed as much as the 20 years prior. Graphically, maybe, but graphical fidelity is not the game part of the game, and 99% of the time, it isn't the experience, either.
Tell that little shit to go read a book.
I still own a PS2.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
I remember when pong came out and Atari, those were the days.
Me, old enough to have owned an Atari 2600 (...clone):
side eye monkey meme
I still have mine. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get ready to lay down in my great pyramid.
No, I only had a PlayStation
When I was growing up, I met older people who had seen the Beatles perform live, had seen Jimi Hendrix perform live, and had gone to Woodstock (and hated it).
Still have my NES with the light gun and a CRT for duck hunt
I played Combat on a 2600 with the paddle controller.
That sounds frustrating, it never occurred to me to try playing with the paddles.
The submarine/plane levels were good for it.
Hmm, OK yeah I guess I can see that. I wish it wasn't such a pain in the ass to hook an atari to a modern display, I really need to try this out now.
Of course, that's the newest console I own!
I've got a working, modded PS2 in my garage right now that I'm judging to post on eBay.
Hey, me too! I just need to get a bracket to hold the hard drive properly. I just need to learn to use a 3D printer.
Sears Pong, anyone?
flashbacks of smacking a yakow back into the farmer's seaside pen
that boot animation still haunts me lol
But it’s a still image, there are no animated boots … oh …
Mine still works.
(though these days I use PCSX2 and let the old girl rest)
I still have my first US gen PS2 (fat boy, not the slim one) and it still works fine. Doesn't look good on modern tvs though
PS2 was the last game console I ever owned, and I have no regrets.
Me too
I don't get gamers
I am yet to meet one who isn't a fucking loser
that's just cuz your're winning too much, mate
I still game, just not on console.
Just remember the immortal words of Redman, as featured in the soundtrack of "Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3" :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b_zT6mdN3c
FIFA 14 was on PS2. That person isn't a teenager.
Just Dance 2020 was released for the OG Wii.
Fifa is the sports game version of that.
What I wanna say is: What's your point?
The person asking the question is younger than 13.
Flex on them, you experienced the golden age of gaming. Anyone would yearn for that kind of era of gaming where it wasn't a wealth-extraction operation at every release.
gen-z are not only dumber than their parents but less cool.
they don't even wear baggy jeans right. dudes are out there flexing cropped t-shirts with confidence like it isn't a bad look even without any gay connotations.
I really liked the PlayStation 2, the third place!" commercials for it.
That said, I've always been team PC, so excuse me while I go play some Tapper and Alley Cat.
I'm old enough that I played a SNES...
My knees hurt...
I have two in my closet and one downstairs in the TV Room, just in case one of them gives up. Plenty spare controllers as well. Made some of my best childhood/teen gaming memories with that console. Played it at the first sleepover i ever went to and at a boatload of family gatherings. It still gets use to this day for racing games when the family is here.
I made one with a hard drive and a TB of games on it as a Christmas gift for a friend and myself.
Born 2005 but I had one, and I had seen plenty in my life.
I trashpicked four PS2s, so that's five different PS2s I've seen.
I got one on launch day. The only console I ever did that for.
Let me show you my original Nintendo game & watch young one...
My first computer was a VIC-20 lol
The Awakening (2026)
My coworker once asked to me take out a loan so she could buy some kind of trinket, I told her no and gave her my old PS2 instead. Ever since then she gives me a real good Nantucket Narb Snarfie before bed every night. I've never ejaculated so much in my life. It's a shame she passed away 54 years ago.