Block lemmy.ml if lemmy feels tirening.
Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it's one of the best things I've ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I'd been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I'd blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I'd had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a "meme" implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you're saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell...
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JFC.
Could someone give some examples of these leftist propaganda posts? I just browse all top day, maybe they get diluted enough for me to overlook these.. i've seen this argument pass by so many times.
Tiring*
Experimenting with blocklists is fine and how you find your comfort zone on Lemmy.
I once made an experiment in which I blocked lemmy.world - not out of spite, but to just see what the rest of Lemmy has to offer. Turns out, quite much!
Still, too many niche communities are hosted on .world, so here I am again.
I tend to agree that the majority of communities are hosted on 3 major instance's its a concern that makes it difficult remove any of the 3 or 4 mega instances regardless of policies or practices.
I see many saying just boycott or block .world but, a decent source of communities im in are listed there. I know it's against the spirit of fediverse but I don't see that changing any time soon.
It's an inherent problem with having both users and communities on the same instances, and just how humans tend to operate in general in that we automatically gravitate to others and clump together.
I think it was @[email protected] who was saying that in an ideal world there would be two types of instances, one for users and one that only served as hosting space for communities. That way you could block or defederate user groups without losing access to entire communities.
Of course, we're way past the point where reorganization into a structure like that is feasible. But it's interesting to think about.
Thank you! At least I don´t feel so alone now. :)
I am still optimistic about it. It will be impossible to make one huge push in this direction, but slowly people will come to realize that this is the most sensible approach. For example, I've noticed that ![email protected] started to get more activity because ![email protected] is considering moving out of LW, but are spending a lot of time debating over a lateral move. If only they had accepted when I first invited them to join as mods from the topic-specific instance, this would've never been an issue.
“Far left” is a stretch. Seems more like a submission kink thing.
Why not just use your subscriptions? People use all and then act all entitled when they have to deal with everything. It's weird.
Nobody is acting entitled. Maybe with small size of lemmy, opting out is better than subscribing to individual communities?
I just moved to lemmy.zip from dbzer0 and before that, world, mainly because I want to be the one blocking, I don't want my instance to block for me. I must not be subscribed to the right places, because I just don't see a whole lot of CCP/RUS apologia? I'm pretty good at passing over shit I know I won't agree with though, so it might just not be registering.
Dotzip does have default blocks on new accounts iirc, you should check this if it's of importance to you.
How do you cope with seeing feddit.org comments?
Yeah, me either. I wish there were waves of militant leftists. Would certainly make a change.
I don't see this stuff either. Maybe it's because I don't subscribe to meme communities.
I have never noticed any problem with lemmy.ml.
Block all the low-quality meme/image content if lemmy feels tiring. Stop consuming garbage.
It’s called cognitive dissonance, the less your worldview makes sense the more tiresome it becomes to hear counter arguments. You used to be able to just dismiss them as „russian trolls“ but now that doesn’t feel right anymore, you feel like you actually have to engage, and this takes energy. Much easier to just shut it out completely, just take comfort in your personal bubble, and only engage with straw men arguments, the ones that are obviously wrong (and hence not used by anyone).
Have fun in your bubble, have fun believing that Russia is gonna collapse any day now for the coming 8 years, the 57th nuclear sanctions package is really gonna do it, have fun believing that the army that spent 4 years taking Sheviakivka is gonna be in Berlin the week after, have fun thinking the people that sold you the Gaza genocide have the best intentions when they say war is the only answer in Ukraine, wish you all the best.
Wait y'all like Russia again? What?!
Where in my comment does it say I like Russia? Accusing people that are against war and in favor of negotiated settlement of being in cahoots with the enemy is as old as writing.
I think I'm gonna save myself the headache and just block you and move on with my life.
Case in point.
I use Lemmy.world. I don’t see any of this drama, about cat food or leftists. I do see posts that used to be regular at Reddit, with decent discussion.
will never see any piracy posts either
I'm on .ml and just don't see this. I moved here from .world after the cat food ban. The stupidity burned too much for me to stay there. I'm unsubscribed to most of the lemmy communities where the political crap is, so maybe that helps.
Should i ask what the "cat food ban" was?
It's a long story but basically after some stupid drama, lemmy.world banned discussion of cat food unless there was scientific evidence presented that the cat food was healthy for the cat. The drama had been about vegan cat food discussions in the vegan discussion group. Vegan cat food turns out to be a thing and appears to have enough approvals to be sold in pet stores, but people on .world wanting to talk about it should come over here to .ml. No I wasn't a participant in the vegan group discussion itself. I made some posts in the surrounding drama thread that you can probably find in my .world profile from shortly after I joined.
????? I'm still confused.
Lemmy.world's admin (not community mods but the actual instance admin) decreed that lemmy.world was going to be like Wikipedia, where anything controversial that you posted had to be accompanied by a research citation, more or less. The specific statement under dispute was that brand XYZ vegan cat food was ok to feed to your cat. A bunch of idiots howled "cats are obligate carnivores, hur hur! They can't survive on a vegan diet! Mods, delete that comment!!!!" and the site admin sided with the idiots. So I had to escape from the stupidity. Are you still confused? Btw the vegan cat food is perfectly fine for cats as far as I can tell. No I'm not about to go look for
diffslinks so some of those details may be garbled by now.I don't think the citation policy was ever enforced on anything else, but anything that crazy is hard to forget.
.world also defederated hexbear because it didn't like hexbear's politics, but I'm a regular on hexbear's covid community (which is pretty good and not that political) so I had to go elsewhere for it. I can still reach it from .ml but this convinced me that the federation model is a failure. There's no giant Spez overlord who can censor you, but there are 100 petty instance admins who can censor you instead. I'm still on Lemmy to stay away from Spez though.
WHAT that is BONKERS
Well you can find the actual wording, but I think it didn't have much effect except that one discussion. The edict was issued and otherwise forgotten about.
Still crazy it was even a thing lol. What a concept. And then to weaponize it. Against vegans. All of it is increasingly absurd and ridiculous. Thank you for sharing it with me.
oh man, I forgot about that shit. I'm pretty sure I got banned from some communities for that.
🤷 I just blocked them back and moved on.
Pro russia propaganda is generally contained in ml own communities. The tiresome thing for me is zionist tolerant instances and communities and fake palestinians supporter who both side the colonizers and the colonized or defend rhe democrats support for the colonizers
No I seem them regularly spreading pro russian propaganda and demeaning jabs against ukrainans in .world communities. The instance has to many disgusting users for it to be waved away with the "few bad apples" defense
Meanwhile .world has Zionists modding it's major coms
"A few bad apples" is not a defense, it's a condemnation. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
My argument was not to say that there is only few bad apples on the ml just that in my experience I don't see their propaganda that much often outside of their bubble
Fair enough. I seem to notice them pushing it everywhere.
Gotta throw Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Exploding Heads in there too if your instance hasn't defederated from 'em.
Don't forget db0
Don’t forget hilariouschaos.
i'm new to my instance that isn't defederated from anything and I see an awful lot of whining about .ml hexbear and lemmygrad but i haven't seen the users do anything. i'm more annoyed by the whiners so far.
Same. I don't block anything and it's perfectly fine tbh. So called "tankies" supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
As somebody who was able to see those before they got defederated: If they're not denying stuff like that Russia is the aggressor, then they have improved and the common conscious is just slow to forgive.
It was "they must be trolls" levels when I still saw them. Pure ragebait levels. And you did often get the feeling that they were just trying to be as edgy as possible.
What's wrong with people expressing their opinion?
Yes. Because "tankie" is just a pejorative for anyone to the left of the western Overton window
What? Tankie is a term that came around to disparage communists who sided with the USSR in sending tanks to Hungary. It specifically means authoritarian Stalinish stuff
Nobody in the year 2026 is using the word tankie in the context of the internal disagreement between British Trotskyists and Khrushchevists about the Hungarian uprising in the 1950s. Even you immediately - one sentence later - pivot to claiming it must means "authoritarian Stalinish stuff", which is both incredibly vague and has nothing to do with the Hungarian revolution; a term that can be used for anyone to the left of the western Overton window.
I see why people block y'all. No. No one calls anarchists tankies. Confabulate as much as you want. It means what it means, and has meant since its inception. People like you, probably. And you fucking know it.
Lol like everyone in here complaining and blocking, when you were presented with facts, your true colors came out.
Softer than baby shit.
lol all they did was disagree with you relax
Oh no! Someone disagrees with you! Better reach for that block button! That'll show them.
Yes they do. All the time. Ask me how I know.
Go back to reddit
You don't seriously believe that the word tankie, in this day and age, is only used to refer to people who support Khrushchev sending tanks into Hungry half a century ago. So you're just undeniably being willfully dishonest now. And for what? What is the point about lying about this?
I was not born for several decades when the Hungarian revolt occurred and have no real opinion on it, so no, I don't "fucking know it", I know you're fucking wrong, and are trying to cover that up with impotent aggression.
It feels like people are upset about running into users who are politically left-leaning... on federated social media.
That's like being upset about encountering queer people in the arts, or chuds in the weightlifting space, or conservatives at the gun range. What the hell did you expect?
It's not the users people block over, blocking an instance doesn't stop you from interacting with the users.
What it does, is block every community from that instance from your feed, that's it.
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
The block just means you won't accidentally stumble into a place they control.
The minority of users who are really problematic, are likely to be banned everywhere else already
I'm not sure what you mean. If someone harasses you then you can just block them. If you block an instance it's users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can't they? I don't politically align with the Lemmy devs but lemmy.ml is their instance and just like piefed, mbin, and others they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn't that the whole point of federation?
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please? Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
It's just american imperialist upset they have any pushback.
Having mindless tankies parrot ccp and russian propaganda is getting tiring.
their doomer, pseudo intellectual main course with a dessert of populist fantasy crap is depressing
at least their radicalization stuff was kinda spicy but it's an addictive combo to melt your brain into the cult
No! It isn't propaganda! You're the one who is parroting propaganda!
Saying russia and china are dictatorships and stuff, i saw a post on VK that said exactly the contrary! And it must be true!
Xi Jinping said he cares about free speech, he can't lie, only western politicians lie!
It's not authoritarianism if I do it!
I am pretty sure that a sizeable amount of accounts there have connections to the FSB.
I heard that Putin even personally licks the stamps on the checks we get mailed every month for posting
Extremism etc has broad appeal to disenfranchised people of a certain maturity level with an absence of critical thinking skills.
IMO one of the things that's ruining the internet currently is all the young people who don't know shit about fuck and are completely unaware of it. Blind leading the blind shit.
In my day we used to know fuck all about shit. But kids these days...
I think it's a combination. There are accounts which run classic FSB style; series of innocuous posts and then ZELENSKY IS A NAZI, then innocuous posts.
Meanwhile, ignorant dumb kids who have been dealt a rough hand with covid, housing prices, ai, trump, climate change etc are pretty susceptible to the dumbest but most appealing simple answers/boogymen.
Add in the Internet's ability to help you avoid ever encountering an opinion with which you disagree and you've got a very toxic breeding ground for the worst and dumbest ideas.
Let's not forget the 15-year-old nihilistic edgelords who, for a change, aren't outright Nazis, if only for the reason because there were so many nihilistic outright Nazi edgelords and Wehraboos out there that it had become too mainstream. Also, they read somewhere that the Red Army destroyed the Wehrmacht which automatically makes the Soviet Union superior to the Third Reich. So they went full Stalinist instead.
There must be at least some who have found their way from WoT to Reddit and from there to Lemmy.
At least those who used to run in Tumblr's "more leftist than thou" rat race that apparently suggested that being enby is more leftist than being trans to such a degree that trans isn't leftist enough are usually too feeble to go full Tankie and support genocides if committed in the name of communism.
I’m so using this from now on. Hope you don’t mind.
More worried about the much more prevalent american imperialist support.
Ah yes the vast support the current US government enjoys on ...Lemmy.
Yeah, that's the problem, the opposition to American imperialism only goes as far as "orange man bad"
Oh yes cause there is so much of that here.
We're officially on the decline. A laughing stock to our enemies and a pariah to our allies. Even if the American people pull off a miracle somehow in 2028 and elect someone like Ocasio Cortez to the presidency. No one in Europe should just forgive everything and get all buddy buddy with us again. We've only shown we cannot be trusted. The ball has been passed keep your eye on where it is, not where the ball was.
Don't be surprised if you find hexbear giving you similar twitches.
Their instance was already defederated from hexbear, so they never saw posts from there.
No no no. Twitch is owned by amazon. It's not part of the fediverse.
Hexbear users are the funniest people on the platform
Some of the stuff I've seen come out of there is on the level of what /pol/ would cook up. Absolutely the most troll instance of the fediverse.
"Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist"
Which country do you consider yourself a leftist in?
The only country there is, of course, Brazil
I think you can be legitimately a Leftist but also not insane. There's a lot of posters over in that part of Lemmy who talk like they'd be overjoyed at the idea of rounding up everyone who'd ever expressed a view to the right of Trotsky, on Day Zero, and sending them to the gulags for being an Enemy of the Revolution.
THERE IS ONLY THE US
;-)
When I joined Lemmy, Lemmy.ml didn't really feel different than Lemmy.world to me.
Maybe I'm taking crazy pills but it's like they got more propagandist on purpose. As if they decided to up the anthem because .grad got defederated by all sane instances.. And what's propaganda good for if it doesn't reach the right people?
Same with tankies having lemmy.world accounts. It's not ironic, it makes sense.
Now Lemmy.ml became their "outreach" instance, where they ban everyone who criticizes them (even on another instance) or even for downvoting (Dessalines did that because his favorite poster 'cowbee' got downvoted by "bots" too much. Then they opted out on lemvotes, so no more checking yourself).
For an outsider it looks like everyone agrees with them because they upvote each other and every critic got either banned or they blocked them themselves and I'm starting to think this might be by design. I wonder how many users are banned from .ml, while still retaining general visibility through federation.
Isn't it basically how Russia and China operate? Keep your own people isolated in a bubble where only your narrative is accepted and at the same time invade other spaces to manipulate their opinions?
I mean why would a leftist like ANYTHING about current day Russia? China? OK, there are apologisms that can fit into a leftist umbrella. But RUSSIA? It's a fucking kleptocracy. Anyone "leftist" saying otherwise is a crock of shit. They haven't been red in decades.
Because they unironically believe that Russia = the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics. That Putin literally is the Premier of the USSR and the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Maybe even that what Putin is trying to do in the Ukraine is reconquer his own territory from CIA-driven Western insurgents.
Basically, just because Putin is a Russian, he automatically is a ☭★✊ СФММꙠИЇꙄТ СФМЯДDЭ ✊★☭, therefore he must be anti-Capitalist, therefore he has to be a good guy.
These people completely distrust any and all Western media because it's capitalist, imperialist propaganda, but they take everything from Russia Today and Sputnik News at face value because the good guys wouldn't ever lie, right?
They say they're against wars. But if Putin started a full-on invasion in Germany (while the country is in a state in which it'll be defenceless within three days), I can guarantee you that they'll cheer for the Red Army finally coming and purging capitalism and imperialism.
Seriously, we have a political party in Germany whose very principles appear to be based on this belief, and that tried to get a new Chancellor of their own into office.
What the actual fuck!
"People disagree agree with me? Must be a conspiracy of evil foreigners!"
It's great that Qanon tier conspiracy is just mainstream liberal thought now
Dunno if that's "on purpose". I think it's more, back in the day .ml was the defacto standard instance, so lots of average people went there and you'd find a wider bandwidth of people. That might have changed with some people leaving and the new visitors not signing up on .ml anymore. That makes the rest of the group condense to people who pick .ml on purpose. But that's not a deliberate plan, more how maths works. 😅
It's the same everywhere in the Fediverse, and it always has:
Newbies always join the biggest server. Unless, of course, the biggest server is being hidden by most of the other servers (pawoo.net used to be the biggest of all Fediverse servers until newbie zerg rushes onto mastodon.social demoted it).
It's a no-brainer. Don't know where to go? Just go where everyone goes. Don't know what to do? Just do what everyone does. Also explains the success of the iPhone, the Samsung Galaxy S, the Ford F-150, the VW Golf, the Toyota Corolla...
Back in the day, when Reddit charged app devs $20M for their API, which killed 3rd-party apps, which enshittified Reddit, which caused the first migration wave to Lemmy, Lemmy still was so small that lemmy.ml was the biggest server, being run by Lemmy itself and all. So naturally, everyone went to lemmy.ml.
Eventually, in spite of people from all walks of life and with all kinds of attitude being there, lemmy.ml had become so unabashedly Tankie that countless users decided to move elsewhere. It had become blatantly clear that .ml, actually the TLD of Mali, stands for МДЯ☭ЇꙄМ-LЭИЇИЇꙄМ. Back then, lemmy.world was the largest non-Tankie server, so they went there.
It was due to that migration within Lemmy that lemmy.world outgrew lemmy.ml and became the biggest Lemmy server. Being #1 on the list of the biggest Lemmy servers, it also became the #1 destination for newbies, and the feedback loop started anew.
A side-effect was that the Tankie-to-non-Tankie rate on lemmy.ml grew because it was almost exclusively non-Tankies who left whereas the Tankies stayed.
Hey! My Golf was amazing! I wish they still made cars like it.
.ml opted out of lemvotes because they like to brigade posts and comments.
Indeed. Funny how the only two instances I have run into that block Lemvotes are the ones that commonly have goon squads brigading threads and abusive admins.
Which is the other instance?
dbzer0
I have my problems with dbzer0’s admins and moderation but there’s something else going on there because I can see their votes.
I always get the 404 error if the post itself was from those instances (even if I check comments made in those posts' threads). If the main post is from anywhere else, I can still see their users' votes on the post or any comments also not from .ml or db0 users.
https://lemmy.world/post/33841513
I don’t think I ever see .ml user votes.
I was going to ask for a source on this. But on checking in on a comment or two in this thread. This explains a lot of the consistently inconsistent behavior I've been seeing the few times I do check lemvotes. Like I was wondering who the hell was down voting Jo, as they are always pretty chill and even keeled. Look at any other comments on the thread no problem. I look up anyone from Lemmy.ml and it's 404.
That's certainly not the behavior of an instance with nothing to hide. Though I would still think administrators should be able to see the votes and identity brigading. But this does explain a few things I've noticed on isolated instances when I've used it.
Feddit.org is literally the zionist version of the tsnkis
Feddit.org is a German server that sticks to German laws.
Germany has a special historical guilt towards Jews. You know, what with having murdered half of all Jews on the planet within less than a decade and intended to cull the other half as well.
Anti-Judaism is a capital Federal crime in Germany, just like using Nazi symbolism. And it is for very good reasons.
In America, it doesn't make much of a difference whether you burn down a synagogue with a service going on inside or a barn with a hoedown going on inside. You'll get sentenced for arson and either manslaughter or murder either way.
In Germany, if you burn down the synagogue, you'll get a whole shit-ton of a sentence piled on top of that if your intentions were clearly anti-Semitic/anti-Judaist.
Google "Night of Broken Glass". Can you even imagine the U.S. National Guard raiding and burning synagogues, Jewish-owned shops, Jewish retirement homes and the like, murdering at least 1,000 Jews, all in one single night in 1938, ordered by (a precursor of) the NSA and at the behest of President Franklin D. Roosevelt himself?
This post made me curious so I took a look at my block list, and almost all of my blocked accounts are from .world. I've only blocked two .ml users. I wonder how much that varies by instance.
they started making accounts on other instances so they can spout their shit and get banned without it getting back to their main instance to avoid defederation
Well lemmy.world is statistically one of the larger instances. So that's not strictly unusual. And thankfully some of the worst from ml tend to stay in their Echo Chambers being self-aware enough.
As you might expect from a lemmy.zip user, I've only blocked one person.
Every time I see people from a handful of the same instance always try to pivot any discussion of one of the other handful of instances back to a criticize of .world, I go look at their post history.
I always see the same thing; almost all .world postings, a few of the others, and none on their home instance, or any of the ones they're defending
I keep asking, never getting an answer:
Why do you hang around .world so much if you don't like it?
Why not just block .world?
Answer: because, unfortunately, many of the most active communities are hosted on .world.
While I appreciate the answer...
Part of the question involved who I was asking:
"It is what it is" and commenting where the people are makes perfect rational sense.
But...
I'm assuming you don't immediately try to turn any criticism against an instance whose politics you agree with, back on the mainstream instance.
If you did, then it wouldn't be rational to spend all your time here
Throbbing_banjo was curious about their blocklist, they did not criticize anything. The reason for having a lot of lemmy.world users on there, as Eldritch said, is most likely statistics. You talk about being rational while battling made up phantoms.
I think that many people reflexively speak out against perceived unfairness. Why should they stay silent when they see people from a problematic mainstream instance constantly complaining about other instances that they see nothing wrong with, the vast majority of the time without evidence, I might add? I mean, it adds up to endless whining, even in completely unrelated threads. I often see it go like this:
Person 1: "Hey, did you hear about this new scientific discovery? Pretty interesting, huh?"
Person 2 (very often from .world or piefed.social): "Well, just stay away from the DaMn tAnKiEs! They're horrible!"
Person 1 (or Person 3): "Huh? I didn't say anything about any tankies. Besides, .world or piefed has plenty of idiots too."
I've rarely ever seen anyone grumble about .world in a completely unrelated thread without cause (i.e., in response to a .world person saying something stupid), but I see that all the time against mostly the socialist/communist instances with some spillover to the anarchist instances. After a while, people start to react automatically to any complaints about other instances.
The Network effect still affects Lemmy communities, unfortunately.
I believe Throbbing_banjo is from db0 actually.
Oh, oh yeah, you're right... my lemmy client is being dumb lol
That makes sense dbzer0's made a hard .ml turn lately so I could see why the users like each other.
I will need context on that.
It is bullshit. You can read the sidebar of the instance they clearly stating they are against russia. I remember debating a pro russia person on a db zero community and they rightfully remove his comments.
Some people just assume dbzero not defedersting from ml make them friend of ml. Thr only thing dbzero and ml agree about is anti the genocidal state of Israel
They are an imperialist who isn't against tankies but against opposition to oppression is the context.
That’s basically all the context.
ML is not far-left, it pretends to be in order to spread pro-Putin, pro-Russian, and pro-Republican state propaganda because they know it’s destroying America. ML and Russia are about as socialist as the Nazis claimed to be.
While I agree they aren't far left. They are sincerely more socialist than the Nazis were. The problem is, they are often as authoritarian as and group think vulnerable as maga, nazis, etc. Economics is fine. But it should never supersede or dictate social policy.
And all these heavily centralized States weather corporate or otherwise always fall to the same flaws. Power calcifying and protecting itself. Not the people or Society.
Sortition based governance when?
sorry, didn't see your comment, I have you blocked
;-)
Day 1
Block me too, I don't want nerds reading my posts
I find the whining and complaining more annoying.
It's easy to block content you don't want (or switch to software that supports it). If it annoys you, block it.
...thats literally what they did tho?
Yeah but making a post about it is stupid, we're all blocking instances and users we don't like, it's like posting "tie your shoes if tripping on your laces feels tirening". Like what is this? a post for primary schoolers?
People commonly think that everybody else sort of thinks and acts the same way that they do. Sometimes it's that way, but a lot of the time it isn't. I didn't block a single instance until I think last week. (It was lemmy.ml, not too coincidentally.) That includes my six months on piefed, as well as the several years before that on lemmy.world. I had considered blocking them in the past, but it was only recently that several accounts from there started behaving super-aggressively to me.
I'm just reluctant to block entire instances because I feel like I'll miss out on something. But at this point, I think if you're still on lemmy.ml, then you're probably not somebody who I want to interact with. But that's because it's just famous for being tankies.
Blocking an instance just hides posts to communities from there. I have ml blocked but still see posts and comments by their users. I don't know whether this is somehow magically different for everyone else since every discussion I've seen on the matter has at least one person claiming otherwise.
I am sure it depends on what interface you're using for the content. Like, what app or web UI, and even what are the settings for that UI. For example, I use Voyager on mobile, and there was one build where I blocked a person and could still see and reply to all of their comments. Obviously that was a bug, but it shows that blocking behavior depends on the UI.
At any rate, I double-checked. I used a private window and went to lemmy.ml to find a post there where the OP for that post had also commented, and when I went to that post through piefed's interface, I was still able to see the post, but it had a message at the top about me blocking the instance, but I was not able to see the comment from the OP under their own post. (Edit: But I could see the other comments, even the one that the OP had responded to.)
So, I can say that, from what I can see, at least in that situation, piefed.social was blocking comments from a person who I didn't specifically block as an individual, but was a member of an instance that I had blocked.
To start, I'm not trying to have an argument about this.
Your description doesn't specify much about the origins of OP or the post. Was the community an "@lemmy.ml" community? If so I would expect it to be blocked. Was their account an "@lemmy.ml" account? If so I wouldn't expect that to change anything.
I see a lot of content from ml users, but no posts to their communities, and I use the default Lemmy UI. I haven't made a Piefed account before but ActivityPub (the federation protocol) is responsible for deciding what is and isn't blocked based on your lists AFAIK so I wouldn't expect any differences. That is to say, the included blocking features prevent the UI from receiving blocked posts, the UI shouldn't be responsible for hiding them.
It was a lemmy.ml community. I could only see anything because I specifically looked up the user who posted it.
You can try it yourself. If you don't like the way Lemmy acts, then try making an account on a Piefed instance and see how it's different. I had heard Piefed was better, so I tried out an account, and decided I liked it better.
When you mentioned this behavior, I actually expected that Piefed would probably handle it in a way that I'd prefer.
And besides, the original Lemmy devs are the ones who run lemmy.ml.
you know whats really annoying? u
I suspect they're complaining about this thread where OP is griping about it, not the fact that OP blocked the instance.
:shrug:
People are people and we all hate drama but we all participate in drama, so y'know... heh
I think you will still see users from lemmy.ml despite the instance block. I have blocked it about 2 years ago and its the only reason why I am still here. I hesitated at first because of the open source communities, but then I thought, fuck it
I joined the .ml server because it was the dev server. Looking at the communities I subscribe to most are on other servers. Occasionally people ascribe beliefs to me based on my home server but so far I haven't bothered looking for a new home.
When I first joined there were a bunch of popular instances that closed down so choosing a non-dev server seemed like a bit of a gamble. Same with mastodon servers.
That's something that is criticized often - that the devs are not independent but instead try to push their instance as the "main instance". But yeah I guess there are a lot of people like you. Don't forget there is no Karma system, it does no harm to change the account from time to time, I do it yearly.
Lemmy.ml is like 8th in the list on join-Lemmy.org. Doesn’t seem to be pushing?
The Lemmy software developers are the admins of lemmy.ml at the same time. Instead of being neutral, they push their questionable political agenda onto the instance. lemmy.ml is 8th now, but 3 years ago that was different. Also the most open source communities have been there, I don't know really if that changed meanwhile.
If you started a project, wouldn’t you list your server up top? The fact they changed it should tell you all you need to know. Also it’s their instance, they can do with it what they want. That’s like saying someone painted their house a color that is questionable. Block it and move on.
Sorry I just don’t think it’s right to pass judgement on people for doing what they want with their project or instance especially when they designed it in a way that anyone can set up their own instance do do what THEY want with their own.
You can bet I would. But when the participation in the project grew in the way Lemmy did, I would step down from my instance admin rule and pass to someone else. I am not saying they should unlist the instance, all I say is that the roles should not be mixed.
That's what I did, but that doesn't mean I can't talk about the topic here.
I can understand what you mean. The problem is that this constellation prevent Lemmy from growing because people are weirded the fuck out by the statements that are being made on lemmy.ml and especially the moderation strategy of the developers. I can recommend taking a look at [email protected] and sort by Top. Some of the stuff is about others members of the tankie triad and some is bs, but it quickly gets clear who you are talking to.
Hmm I see nothing - I guess the posts don't federate back to .ml?
Yes, it only blocks the communities and servers showing up in your feed.
I feel like this one half sentence explains all of human history.
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Yep, tracks :)
Nah, seeing folks from there is fine, but i would rather not see their posts
I agree. I only mentioned it because your motivation was the list of blocked users from ml you already had.
My feeds pretty decent. I don't block instances outside of an accident. I block plenty of users and communities though and it works for me. Don't get me wrong the vast majority of my blocks is not that the communities are bad. just that its easier to block what your not interested in and peruse all than peruse subscribed if you want to find new things.
Ive blocked dozens of instances because i dont like them. Just do it and move on -- no, nobody else was getting tired of lemmy because the rest of us block instances and users we dont like and enjoy our experience instead.
People were complaining about .ml long before I thought it was justified, but I looked again recently and yeah, maybe. This instance doesn't federate with it so I don't see it often. Based on my quick impressions the other day it's gotten worse. Not that it's an "echo chamber" and I don't mind hanging out with communists, but there's too much low-quality noise.
Personally I wouldn't block the whole server if it were up to me. There are still good people there. Just be quick to block the people and posts you really object to.
They're not communists. Communism is the economy Australia had before colonisation. They're state capitalists.
Lol. This from the anti-realist
I have an account on an instance that still federates with hex and grad. They make ML seem almost tame. But when your lead developer and admin names their account for a genocidal revolutionary. Who had to be assassinated by his own people to be free. You can be sure there are going to be some very warped takes, and bad community cultivation.
That said I have ml visitors to communities I mod and generally have no issue with. There are a few I see posting regularly on the greater fediverse that have a high net positive vote totals on my voyager client. So we should definitely try not to paint with a broad brush. Even if we're all familiar with the toxicity of some.
Because it's the same users, just in mask off mode.
There's absolutely a lot of that to be sure.
I would still warn to be cautious, I feel that sites like Reddit fell a bit because it became compromised both at the admin and the moderation level by bad actors that slowly got promoted to positions of power.
Anyone with authoritarian sympathies should not be given the keys to moderate instances, imo. Users should condemn all forms of authoritarianism if they want to be more trusted.
I agree. And was vocal as well with some of rimu's actions as well as the recent admiral patric meltdown. The dot world crew aren't perfect. There was a post earlier today regarding a mastodon ban. That I'm not sure of knowledgeable enough to take sides on. Though generally they are pretty hands-off unless you cross one of the more or less reasonable hard and fast rules repeatedly.
Lol
Lmao, even
You could be on to something... Lmfao... perhaps?
Rotflmfao, even
What exactly is lemmy.ml? And how would I block it? Thanks!
The hacker known as lemmy.ml is a highly dangerous individual.
Just pray 🙏.
Lemmy.ml was/is my first foray into the whole thing and the dogma/irrationality/hivemind has been really disheartening (for a community I had figured would filter people like that out due to its' size relative to reddit or other normal websites). Thanks for this, i'm going to try it.
I think Lemmy is radicalizing.
It’s not just Lemmy.ml either. I used to love dbz0, almost switched from lemmy.world, but now all the non-political content is withering away, and most of what I see is just absolutist, anarchist post. The admin is fine with explicit calls to violence against pretty much anyone.
And that’s fine. It’s their instance, they can their thing. But it’s so extreme I don’t even find satisfaction interacting with the instance anymore, like it’s a single community with one topic.
And I don’t mean to single them out. I have similar feelings from many instances, including Lemmy.world.
I’ve even seen some pretty extreme stuff on blajah, which I used to picture as a wholesome LGBTQ+ instance! Which I adore… until it’s not so wholesome.
What’s worse, Lemmy users don’t seem to care.
I’ll point out some off-topic discussion in a thread, and I just get piled on. Like, not every single Lemmy conversation has to involve statements about western imperialism or the futility of democracy or whatever, but apparently it does on Lemmy.ml, and it feels like it’s spreading.
That was more of a rant than I intended.
But I am concerned about this new internet place I like. I’ve seen one or two other Reddit clones wither away from political radicalization, too.
Sorry for speaking out against transphobes in a not-wholesome way. It will happen again.
Ever since the reddit migration, troll instances who already existed on the fediverse saw a shiny new plaything.
When their home instances became defederated, their users spun up new ones, and were welcomed with open arms under the assumption they were new.
That bought them access to admin channels, were they could socially manipulate legitimate admins of major instances.
People who know controlled relatively large social media platforms...
People who didn't receive any training and may not have had the best social skills to begin with.
So, what I'm trying to say is, it's not all that they're radicalized in the sense that their views changed organically. They're radicalized like people taken advantage of by FBI informants into "planning" an attack.
The people telling them to do this stupid shit don't think it's a good idea, they just want to burn it down to watch it burn.
Are you thinking of Unruffled and db0?
You’re not wrong, dbzer0 is fine with people having profiles like this:
I think israel is committing war crimes and genocide right now and need to be reined in and leaders put in jail but calling for blanket murders like this is over the line.
If someone's talking about kill all Zionist soldiers, I think that's fine. There's a war on, and soldiers have to die for wars to end. Same with the politicians, that's fine.
But if someone's saying kill all zionists, and they're also talking about civilians, well... There is no anarchist way to exterminate a group of civilians like that. The only way to do that kind of violence is with a state killing apparatus. You know, a death penalty.
And as an anarchist, I don't support the death penalty. Governments cannot be trusted with power over death, it's too much. Anyone saying "kill all zionists" and advocating for a death penalty is not an anarchist. Those people should be banned from any self respecting anarchist instance.
I don’t think they should be banned but they should be made aware that that’s unacceptable behavior for any instance.
Just use tesseract and have us all automatically blocked then if we're all scary radicals. I see you were defending admiral patrick a few weeks ago, surprised you aren't hiding behind it still. It's right there for anyone who needs everything sanitized and corporate approved for them.
Leftism and pro LGBTQIA comms are not radical, violent, or terroristic, and trying to suggest they are is going to get you shit on here. It's by design to keep the fash out. Lemmy is overwhelmingly a leftist space, and most leftists have no problem with telling it how it is, especially during the largest global resurgence in fascism since WWII.
At a certain point, if everyone around you is a problem, maybe you should consider the possibility that the source of your discomfort is much more localized.
I was not defending the tesseract dev, what they did is inexcusable. That app can burn.
I sympathized with them some, though. I get what they were trying to do in their head, on some level.
If you think the more extreme parts of Lemmy are representative of “everyone around you,” as in the larger public in my life, I don’t even know where to begin with that. We live in different worlds I guess.
Correct, I don't surround myself with Enlightened Centrists© who think a little fascism is okay as a treat.
If you think being left of Newsom and supporting marginalized communities is extremism, you don't belong here, simple as. None of us will miss you when you go back to reddit and twitter.
Stop acting like being on that list was exclusive to any demographic.
I'm on that and I've been called every political label under the sun as an insult on here.
Wasn't the point being made, but go off king 👍
But what are your thoughts on western imperialism and the futility of democracy?
;-)
Okay just block them, and block everything else you dont want to see, idk yeah theyre a bunch of crazy wannabe communists, i agree we all agree, just block and move on, like what else is there? Doxx them? That makes no sense, right?
it's crazy people who are butthurt ivan drago lost in rocky iv, they're not worth your attention -- quite frankly this couldn't be a better advertisement for lemmy.mi or whatever it is. So i guess that's my rant, stop reacting with content you don't like. If something real and local to your geography is happening, yes, go to a protest, volunteer helping underserved communities. But if it's on freaking social media (federated or otherwise) just block and move on, dont feed into it. We don't even know what corner of the world they actually live in. Think about all the horrible people in the world in positions of power -- they all get tons of negative attention online and they harness that negative attention into real-world benefits for them.
I can.
But as some point I worry about the health of the community.
I don’t want to invest my time in platform that shrinks into a one-topic pit. Been down that rabbit hole before.
…To be clear, I think Lemmy is okay now, but I worry about the trajectory.
Lemmy.ml isn't a leftist instance. Tankies are radical centrists.
Bunch of labels being thrown around. How do you keep track? I just sorta identify them all as extremist crazies. Its one big group, that admittedly, if you put them all in one space, would definitely not mix well.
Well you see, I'm an extremist crazy too. I'm an anarcho-antirealist. I think consensus reality is a social construct the rich use to control our mythocultural perceptions of the world, which is why transphobia exists. I want to abolish the idea of reality.
Ya, but that's fun. Too many words tho. Gotta learn to just be if you want to give up reality.
I identify as a goddess and I'm in a gay trans polycule with a sharkplane, a goth ghost girl, and the Speedforce from the Flash comics. We play video games together. That's antirealist praxis.
I applaud your worldbuilding, but you are making realities. Antireality involves letting all of that go.
Reality is objective. I believe in no such thing. Instead of an objective universe, we should believe in a subjective multiverse. Countless perceptual worlds, designed by ordinary people for fun, kindness, and justice.
I prefer to abandon the worlds and the designing. Be.
How do you block an instance
Go to your profile settings, it should be there next to your blocked users, at least that's how lemmy.world's interface is
An adjacent question, what does it mean when BANNED in red letters is next to a user you blocked?
Community mods banned them
Like any community anywhere?
Good call on blocking them.
Just remember if you donate to lemmy you also contribute to keeping .ml running and for the two lead 'developers' to thought police people on it.
One instance being moderated a way you don't like is an incredibly silly reason to revoke support for the development of software you use regularly. Like not just irrelevant, but literally missing the point of the software they're developing.
I won’t financially support .ml and I switched from lemmy for that reason.
I support piefed’s development.
Based
Rimu just added scraper protection to piefed so we won't get DOSed
The devs are the admins of .ml. Supporting them supports their dumbfuck views.
For what? For being too edgy for your tastes in an online forum? Because they moderate an instance differently than you want? In an ecosystem where people can block and defederate instances with software THEY built?
This is clownish. They're weird tankies who also write software they give away for free. They don't build blocklists to secretly shape the Lemmy Fediverse or even force you to hear their opinions. They have nearly zero political impact on the world at large but quite a lot of impact on federated software, but apparently annoying you through inaction is your red line.
I find it very irritating when you want to change the world and insist on using only one particular instance. That's not agitating the masses. I'm fine with blocking. I couldn't stand any more Japanese comics and started blocking those users one after another. Constant dopamine.
Judging by the comments here, you just need to block .ml, .world and piefed to block all the assholes? 🤔🤔🤔
Just block Lemmy entirely
Truly we should all just log off
No!
You stay logged in, defederated from everyone, having blocked everyone!
You sit in your little cubicle and stare at the wall!!!
:)
I mean when i see a post i dont like i check the user history and instance history. If it's a long lost of similarly shitty posts i block one or both. If it's not, well everyone has bad days wcyd. I'm just surprised that the concept of blocking instances and users you dont like is such a popular new post today in august 2026.
You need to do that to make it even more of an american imperialist echo chamber then it already is.
I don't see where you're from, only your username, which I thought meant we were on the same instance. I'm on Lemmy.world, and i thought mine (our) instance defederated from .ml. So why do you, would have to block them? What am I misunderstanding?
.world is not defederated from .ml
See https://lemmy.world/instances
You might be thinking of lemmygrad.ml?
Ah yes, I confused
I tried this with .piefed and it genuinely improved my entire experience.
Amazing how much dumb bullshit a handful of terminally online losers can create.
I didn't know we were considered toxic. I just like support for feeds lol.
Is .piefed an instance or is it just a piece of software that people use to interact with lemmy/piefed?
There's a constellation of instances with the piefed prefix operating in the Fediverse ecosystem.
https://fedidb.com/servers
Piefed is a software like Lemmy
So your filter doesn't block piefed.world?
Blocking communities and instances is separate from users.
So I can block .ml's communities and still downvote the users spreading election misinformation?
That's wonderful.
You can block the instance itself and do that; users posting outside the instance's own communities are not blocked via the instance blocking feature. It essentially just mass blocks all the communities on the instance, not any of the users.
Indeed. This year being a midterm election in the United States I don't expect to see too much generally. But we've only got a couple years before the heavy influx again. Whether it's bad faith propaganda, or ignorant blue staters treating national elections like their insulated local ones. They're both tiring and not helpful.
Democrats especially don't need help losing. They're very capable all by themselves. And sadly don't care about protest votes or undecideds. Nationally all that does is suppress votes, in favor of the worst options. But thankfully DSA has been pushing local candidates across the country showing they are viable and can win. Hopefully Sanders showed enough people that there are other options, and they might be ready to support a DSA adjacent/endorsed presidential candidate. If they can be brave enough to poll their own members on the subject. SMH
I'll pay attention to DSA candidate once they start winning purple races and not just solid blue ones.
All the fucking libscolding about ml existing
You realize that ml develops the platform. Honestly perhaps piefed is more your speed. Or maybe go watch Hutch or something idk.
God I’m glad I’m not a Reddit liberal anymore.
Typical libslop from 4am here. Turbolibs love to support authoritarian regimes like capitalist Russia. Don't take this libposting seriously, it's libriously libdiculous. Lib lib lib.
I've noticed some lemmy clients refuse to block lemmy.ml. Take that what you will
I''m much more upset about the much more prevalent imperialist propaganda hyping up the right wing democrats as saviors and presenting Luke warm social democrats as radicals to either support or hate but you seem to be a fan of this overwhelming disgusting support on this site for racism and imperialism.
Where? There's like three weirdo centrists that continually get swamped by progressive views. .World has a problem with its overuse of antisemitism as applied to antizionism, but centrist Democrat cheerleading is so far from a Lemmy-wide problem it's hard to believe you actually use it.
Dbzer0 folks think that if an anarchist votes in elections, they're a turbolib class traitor fake leftist.
If the Republicans aren't funding the left wing podcasts that manufacture this kind of propaganda, they're fools. And I don't think the people coming up with the party strategy are fools.
Another day, another .world user complaining about .ml users.
Usually the ones complaining are usually abrasive pro-US imperialist types.
I'm from the UK, so screw Russian and American foreign policy and those that shill for China make me nauseous. I'm on .ml from when .world couldn't keep their servers up. My main alt died with lemm.ee (RIP).
I will definitely say that not all bad people come from .ml, and not all people from .ml are bad people… but there is defintely a noticeable correlation there.
You? Haven't noticed your username, but i'm bad at keeping up with names.
But it's funny that you talk about ".world users" whilc complaining about people talking about ".ml users".
But that sounds like it could be read as an attack, and I mean it jsut as an observation. Text is a difficult medium. :)
(It may be a legitimate observation on your part..... I just think it's still funny.)
A .world user singular, complaining about .ml users plural. I'm complaining about the regular pattern of some users and it is frequent.
This is a regular narrative that all .ml users are tankies so are not worth engaging with and yeah, it is insulting.
You don't know me and that's fine. I'm not sure why your recognition of me is relevant? Am I irrelevant if not known? There are 10s of thousands of users on Lemmy. I put time into moderating 2 big communities here for the greater good, but hey, because I'm on this instance, I'm seen as "tankie" scum.
Words of a poet
Which means?