Uhh.. Yes I do expect it to resume back to normal. Why the fuck wouldn't it?
Sure, if I connect it to the internet I expect all sorts to updates to be missing. But offline? 1 day or 100 years shouldn't make any difference. OK the CMOS battery might be flat.
The case in the tweet wasn't a hardware problem. Apparently the person's PSN account had gotten deleted during their 10+ years of not using it, and downloaded games attached to the account didn't work any more.
Imagine if some Sony executive broke into your house and stole the games off your shelf because you hadn't played them for a long time. Thats what happened here.
especially considering your account takes up..what..a few dozen megabytes at most? its nothing but a database with what games you bought digitally.
its 100% purely an attempt to get customers to double dip on buying shit by exploiting changes in life that take people away from their recreation.
have a elderly relative take a bad turn and suddenly need 24/7 care? According to Sony, thats a great, monetizable event.
suffer a terrible injury that takes you years to recover? Sony's Salivating over the potential of taking everything away from you, so you can buy it again to relive the "good days"
have to join the military and spend years from home? Your trauma is dolladolladollar signs for Sony's executive department.
Even for accounts that haven't gone inactive, I'm sure they've considered disabling games for older generation games. "Continuing to play PS4 games rather than buying a PS5 is theft!!!"
Yep.. the capitalistic Ouroboros is coming around to the back of its own head, so long term stability and profits no longer matter, all that matters is maximizing short term profits...at any cost.
If you have VR, I highly recommend EmuVR for all console emulator needs.
Plopping yourself on the ground in front of an actual CRT is such a different and incomparably better experience than playing them on flat LcD screens, it really pleasantly suprised me.
Kind of both. It's basically a frontend for emulators, where you are in a most archetypal 80s room, with a large CRT TV that runs the emulator, and you get all your roms as physical discs/cartriges on your shelf, with emu cores being actual consoles you connect to the TV, put a disk/cartridge in, and then you can sit in front of the TV and play.
It's extremely immersive, the games feel so much better on an "actual" CRT TV.
And with how small most save files are, you can even store them in a folder on a cloud service without taking much space. So if something happens to your computer for drive with your legally backed up personal cartridge and disc images... You still have those save files.
Looking at the list on Console Mods I’m actually surprised how many GBA games do use a save battery when a lot of games clearly didn’t need it for saves. Did the battery allow for faster saving, or maybe just cheaper cartridges?
It was a cost/availability thing. SRAM was used all over the place prior to the GBA (and for some early GBA games) because FRAM and flash memory was expensive at the capacities needed.
Funnily enough, most games that use SRAM can have the chip swapped out for an FRAM chip, and they will no longer need a battery. (Actually you move the ROM chip from the SRAM board to the FRAM board) The two types of RAM present identically to the game's software, so it just works.
The Pokemon games use Flash RAM with 2x-4x the capacity of the SRAM and FRAM chips most other games used. There was also EEPROM for games with small save files.
It sucks when you borrow a friend's SNES and didn't realize that was a problem and their saves suddenly disappear (along with your current playthrough on a different save file) and you worried you somehow did something to cause it.
GBA? The kids these days. I have an original Zelda cart for the NES that still holds save data.
My Atari VCS (this was before they were calling it the "2600") was manufactured in 1978. It's 48 years old, and if I slap E.T. into that son of a bitch, it plays.
If I drop an RPG for a month I have difficulty picking back up my ongoing savegame. I can't imagine how hard it would be to continue a 30 year old savegame.
I'm mostly referring to completed saves of Kirby and DKC-franchise. The first is a collection of games you have to unlock, so if you just wanted to play in the arena mode, then you'd have to play through a whole lot more just to unlock it.
Nearly every cartridge-based system up to the 3DS saves to the cartridge. But many older cartridge games from that era (SNES, GBC, sometimes GBA) used volatile SRAM that needs to be constantly powered with an internal battery. When the battery dies, the save is wiped and it can no longer hold a save, though you can always open the cart up and replace the battery.
And what people will do for a save game they really care about (like childhood Pokémon carts) is back up the save onto PC, replace the battery in the cart, then put the save back onto the cart. Very clever. I want to get one of the readers that lets you back up carts, they're not that expensive
Many Gen Z grew up with Wii's and Xbox's which used physical media. I was never allowed to own an Xbox, but I did have a Wii. I think a lot of us have memories of putting in game CDs. The cutoff for that might be Gen Alpha.
Specific age boundaries aside, the younger people are, the less experience they have of owning physical things, and the stranger the world as it used to be sounds to them. They live in a curated world of continually obsoleted technology they don't own fed a diet of propaganda pushing technology and its proponents as saviors and not oppressors.
Yeah, there's definitely a range. I'm gen z and we never really had game consoles, so I grew up mostly gaming on a Mac (do not recommend, although I think the translation layer situation has improved since then). I also have memories of putting in tapes, cartridges, and floppy disks to my parents' old Atari and Commodore computers (both of which actually worked great after having not been used for like >30 years)
Haha, I was selling a whole racing chair/wheel/shifter combo for my partner's dad and he got it for the PS3, so it came with around 10 games. I used dirt to test it, ended up deciding to keep it for myself in the end.
BUT my account and downloaded games also worked, because I didn't hook it up to the Internet (which after reading this I shall never do).
That shit should be illegal. They should be charged with theft and treated accordingly, or at the least get the shit kicked out of them; the way we used to treat thieves in the good old days.
thats a temporary bandaid that can shorten the life of other things on the board.
its been years, but IIRC the only actual fix for the issue, besides getting an xbox 360 slim, was to have someone with the tools and know how remove and reball the CPU and GPU with good quality leaded solder.
I've been using my Hotmail account since 1998. I can log in right now and go back and read all the stupid emails my friends and I were sending each other in high school 28 years ago. And I've never paid a cent for that Hotmail account. And my cartridge games still have my saves.
they might not much longer, batteries and finite life and all that.
but at least you can slap new batteries in them and the game
will still fucking work, and not permanently taken away from you because you took to long to go back and replay it.
board eaten by corrosion? 98% chance someones reverse engineered it and posted the pcb design files online for you to get made via one of the PCB companies.
Hell, even if the chip holding the game itself dies, you can replace it and flash the new game from a rom file and be back to playing on your console again, at relatively minimum cost.
But modern disk gets scratched? Hope it still works.. If it doesnt, well, you're only hope is modding the console to boot a burnable disk or buy a new copy.
I bought my NES with my own money in 1988ish after saving up for months. If I go downstairs and power it on right now, I'm certain Tetris will fire right up.
Sony is legit the only company I know of that stores shit you bought on their servers and will delete your shit if you're not active on the account for over a set period of time (in their case it's 3 years, if I am remembering right). Nobody else has a time limit for inactivity.
I’ve never heard anybody else talk about this game. But on Sega Genesis, there’s this puzzle game called zoop. It takes a second or two to teach yourself how to play it. But it’s crazy Addictive
I've replaced the save battery on NES carts before and save keeps working. Gaming used to be cool. Now it's just a momentary money grab the company hopes you forget about.
You expect a 10 years console to resume back to normal?
See, I could maybe buy this argument if it was something unintentional. Maybe a server went down and lost all the data, or some hack required them to upgrade their security in a way that a 10-year-old console couldn't handle. Sure, that kind of thing happens (though not usually for a megacorp like Sony, but anyway). But they made this decision intentionally. They put in extra work to make sure that it would function in this anticonsumer way. It cost them money and time to make this change.
Do I expect a console that I purchased 10 years ago to still operate in the same way now, barring disasters or malfunctions? Yes. Yes I do.
For anyone who expects their retro console to boot up and be playable, check to see if your console has known capacitor issues before powering it up. Even caps not part of the plague can leak if they're old enough. If they're powered on with leaking caps, it can be much harder to fix than if the caps were replaced before being powered on
I find my DS every few years and it still just turns on with the same charge for the last decade and a half. No idea what they made those batteries out of.
Just saying, the Xbox 360 doesn't have that problem, since buying a game gives a license to both the account and the console it has been bought on. So even if you get banned, your console should still be able to play the game with an other account. Of course they "patched" it with the Xbox One.
The "patch" for the X1 also allows anyone on the home console of the account to play the game, which has led to many people game sharing with a friend.
You could do that on Xbox 360 too. I did. Also, the game they gave "for free" with the xbox live subscription went from "keep it forever" to "keep it as long as you pay". They would have probably started with that system sooner, but the Xbox 360 market didn't support game rental like that.
That's why I've never bought a digital game on console. For years, my strategy was to buy AAA games physically on console and indie games on PC via DRM-free services. Now that Sony is stopping physical disc production I won't have that option anymore, but luckily none of the AAA studios make anything worth a damn these days.
I haven't even thought about it. I know where to find the games on the high seas and emulators are my preferred mode of play, although there are probably ways to run them on original hardware.
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.
I have enough content in emulators alone that it would be pretty damn easy to just stop buying consoles and big studio titles entirely. Which I guess I've kind of done already.
Hell even if you forbid old PC games, my AuDHD ass could bounce between Chrono Trigger and Symphony of the Night for years.
If you buy a game as a kid, play the fuck out of it, then end up tossing that console in a box or closet for a decade as you grow up, then when that nostalgic urge to play your old game again hits you should be able to plug the console in and play again. Not be told that your Xstation account was deleted because you didn't log in as ButtholeSurfer696969lol in the last few years so all of those purchases no longer exist.
Bruh I cleaned my PS2, turned it on after being in storage for a decade, and it remembered what time/date it was. That CMOS cell battery is a goddamn king
And of course, discs and memory cards. I'm sure some folks' digital PS2 mods are also solid, and aren't affected by one of the weakest links, the read laser.
I booted up my PS3 recently and everything worked as it did last time I turned it on, in like 2014. It needed a firmware update for the Blu-Ray player to play a Blu-ray my partner got, so I installed CFW. Now it works great forever! But even before modding it, I booted up into some random stuff. It remembered where I was, after modding, on a Blu-ray movie I didn’t remember watching!
About a decade ago they discovered a lost tablet that adds 20 "new" lines to the Epic of Gilgamesh. Four millennia, and all they had to do was dust it off and translate it. Stone tablets turn out to be a very good medium for preserving culture.
Video games is also a cultural medium - video games are also pieces of culture. They should not be intentionally made to be lost to time.
The dickhead replying is so fucking dumb. If the console was physically broken in any way, then the discussion could be about planned obsolescence or regular wear and tear or how it was stored. But the console DID survive. It did "resume back to normal", but it is artificially rendered worthless by the company.
We could talk about how long a console should physically last, with issues like the red ring of death being an example of them not lasting long enough, but the idea that Sony says you didn't play frequently enough so you no longer own the things you paid for is absurd.
Everything about modern console gaming has been frustrating. I'm trying to help my kids, but having physical media hard to find, never-ending account creation, and then features locked behind online stuff, that you then have to subscribe to the console company to play anything online? What have we done?
"Tøblin"'s brand of corporate apologia is so dumb. Oh, no, I just hadn't considered that they were being dipshits for money, that's perfectly all right then.
I have an Xbox 360 that has sat idle in closet since 2015. This past January, my son and ai were snowed in when I remember it. Pulled it out and found the kinetic. For the next 3 days we played fruit ninja and had a blast. I didnt connect online for any "Updates" so im not sure if I lost any licenses
I have pirated copies of Sierra online games from the 80s and some of them have saves made by the first person who uploaded them. Who were those people? No idea. But I would LOVE to know where they are now.
N64 was made when they still cared about pushing the creative limits of what they could do with the tech, rather than just seeing how to use it to squeeze every last penny out of the consumer
I sold all my childhood consoles and games before I moved out on my own.
I think it would be kind of neat to play those games on original hardware, assuming the hardware itself still works. Obviously the "saves" on some of those 30+ year old cartridges might no longer work. On the other hand, it would just be more unused stuff sitting around taking up space and making moves more complicated for the past 3 decades, so I'm also perfectly at peace with the fact that I don't have them anymore.
A couple of years ago, I fired up the Wii I bought from a buddy of mine back in '07 or '08, which was one of the early NA models from 2006. It still worked and the games I checked out still worked, including the digital ones. The online stuff is non-functional now though, but I never really used any of that other than sometimes I'd fire up the browser for the novelty of it.
Anyway pointless stories aside, I assume that reply was just contrarian / rage-bait commentary for engagement. I don't know that particular person, but I know that type. They look at every interaction as a chance to "dunk" on someone / demonstrate their superiority in some way and/or as a means to gain attention, any attention, good or bad.
So, I wouldn't read too much into it, unless you happen to know these folks personally.
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If 40 year old consoles can resume back to normal, so should 10 year old consoles.
However, it should be noted that the PS3 is now 20 years old.
OutRAGEOUS misinformation...
It may have been 10 years old back in the olden days. Perhaps we need a historian or archeologist to weigh in.
The only thing they feel is the weight of aeons past on their backs
And there have only been two new consoles in the past twenty years*
Might've used it until 2016, that was just three years after release of the PS4.
It could have been booted up for the first time in 10 years at any point in the previous 10 years.
Uhh.. Yes I do expect it to resume back to normal. Why the fuck wouldn't it?
Sure, if I connect it to the internet I expect all sorts to updates to be missing. But offline? 1 day or 100 years shouldn't make any difference. OK the CMOS battery might be flat.
Arent they mostly flat to begin with? Sorry.... I couldn't help it.
YOUR MOM IS MOSTLY FLAT TO BEGIN WITH.
Not once I'm done with her.
This is the content I come to Lemmy for.
@[email protected], selflessly patching and inflating leaking mothers everywhere. Do you offer maternal rotation and balancing as well?
Thank you, she's been trying to lose weight recently
Maybe she should stop eating batteries.
They are too energy-dense.
The case in the tweet wasn't a hardware problem. Apparently the person's PSN account had gotten deleted during their 10+ years of not using it, and downloaded games attached to the account didn't work any more.
That's still a pretty big fucking problem.
Yeah, but playing a physical copy of a game would be a fairer comparison to older systems.
Imagine if some Sony executive broke into your house and stole the games off your shelf because you hadn't played them for a long time. Thats what happened here.
It never happens to a pirated game I heard
if its not theft for them to steal your games away from you, then its not piracy to download their games.
And
the account shouldn't have been deleted
the account being deleted shouldn't stop the downloaded games from working.
Both are Sony's fault
especially considering your account takes up..what..a few dozen megabytes at most? its nothing but a database with what games you bought digitally.
its 100% purely an attempt to get customers to double dip on buying shit by exploiting changes in life that take people away from their recreation.
have a elderly relative take a bad turn and suddenly need 24/7 care? According to Sony, thats a great, monetizable event.
suffer a terrible injury that takes you years to recover? Sony's Salivating over the potential of taking everything away from you, so you can buy it again to relive the "good days"
have to join the military and spend years from home? Your trauma is dolladolladollar signs for Sony's executive department.
Even for accounts that haven't gone inactive, I'm sure they've considered disabling games for older generation games. "Continuing to play PS4 games rather than buying a PS5 is theft!!!"
Yep.. the capitalistic Ouroboros is coming around to the back of its own head, so long term stability and profits no longer matter, all that matters is maximizing short term profits...at any cost.
SNES/GBA game saves erasing due to batteries 😭
You’re telling me I’m going to have to replace the batteries and replay chrono trigger and Pokémon emerald again? Oh the horror
Just play on an emulator. Save states anywhere you want.
If you have VR, I highly recommend EmuVR for all console emulator needs.
Plopping yourself on the ground in front of an actual CRT is such a different and incomparably better experience than playing them on flat LcD screens, it really pleasantly suprised me.
I'm guessing the VR applies some type of CRT like filter to the virtual CRT? Or is it just a nostalgia thing?
Kind of both. It's basically a frontend for emulators, where you are in a most archetypal 80s room, with a large CRT TV that runs the emulator, and you get all your roms as physical discs/cartriges on your shelf, with emu cores being actual consoles you connect to the TV, put a disk/cartridge in, and then you can sit in front of the TV and play.
It's extremely immersive, the games feel so much better on an "actual" CRT TV.
https://youtu.be/73XVOeRuu9A?t=237 It's not as apparent in 2D without VR, but you can get an idea at this timestamp.
That sounds awesome!
It also gives me some mod ideas like virtual parents telling you to turn the console off if you play too long :P
And with how small most save files are, you can even store them in a folder on a cloud service without taking much space. So if something happens to your computer for drive with your legally backed up personal cartridge and disc images... You still have those save files.
Pokemon Emerald's battery is only there for real time clock functions. Saves remain intact even after the battery runs dry.
Gen I and II games used the battery for save data, however.
Yeah you’re right. Bad example.
Looking at the list on Console Mods I’m actually surprised how many GBA games do use a save battery when a lot of games clearly didn’t need it for saves. Did the battery allow for faster saving, or maybe just cheaper cartridges?
It was a cost/availability thing. SRAM was used all over the place prior to the GBA (and for some early GBA games) because FRAM and flash memory was expensive at the capacities needed.
Funnily enough, most games that use SRAM can have the chip swapped out for an FRAM chip, and they will no longer need a battery. (Actually you move the ROM chip from the SRAM board to the FRAM board) The two types of RAM present identically to the game's software, so it just works.
The Pokemon games use Flash RAM with 2x-4x the capacity of the SRAM and FRAM chips most other games used. There was also EEPROM for games with small save files.
It sucks when you borrow a friend's SNES and didn't realize that was a problem and their saves suddenly disappear (along with your current playthrough on a different save file) and you worried you somehow did something to cause it.
GBA? The kids these days. I have an original Zelda cart for the NES that still holds save data.
My Atari VCS (this was before they were calling it the "2600") was manufactured in 1978. It's 48 years old, and if I slap E.T. into that son of a bitch, it plays.
But why would you do that?
To be contrarian.
When the attempt to show video games are still alive instead kills them again.
the og atari and nes were video game consoles.
a 'modern' console is just a required hardware device to access a subscription service and game rentals falsely advertised as purchases.
My only dead battery so far is Final Fantasy NES!
I have a Rev B gold Zelda cart for NES and I am curious its battery state. But my NES was lost in time.
If I drop an RPG for a month I have difficulty picking back up my ongoing savegame. I can't imagine how hard it would be to continue a 30 year old savegame.
I'm mostly referring to completed saves of Kirby and DKC-franchise. The first is a collection of games you have to unlock, so if you just wanted to play in the arena mode, then you'd have to play through a whole lot more just to unlock it.
But it’s still playable
Weren't the batteries in GBA cartdriges only for the clock?
Oh, saves are saved on the cartridge, not the console? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Nearly every cartridge-based system up to the 3DS saves to the cartridge. But many older cartridge games from that era (SNES, GBC, sometimes GBA) used volatile SRAM that needs to be constantly powered with an internal battery. When the battery dies, the save is wiped and it can no longer hold a save, though you can always open the cart up and replace the battery.
Oh, cool, TIL. Even though I had a lot of handhelds, I never actually noticed that.
And what people will do for a save game they really care about (like childhood Pokémon carts) is back up the save onto PC, replace the battery in the cart, then put the save back onto the cart. Very clever. I want to get one of the readers that lets you back up carts, they're not that expensive
Who wouldn't? It's such a weird thing to assume it shouldn't just work (assuming no hardware failure at least).
If I turn on a PC from 10 years ago it'll boot up and run the applications installed on it.
Gen Z grew up in this broken world. They don't know any better. They don't understand what it means to own something.
That's the plan, actually.
Many Gen Z grew up with Wii's and Xbox's which used physical media. I was never allowed to own an Xbox, but I did have a Wii. I think a lot of us have memories of putting in game CDs. The cutoff for that might be Gen Alpha.
Could be.
Specific age boundaries aside, the younger people are, the less experience they have of owning physical things, and the stranger the world as it used to be sounds to them. They live in a curated world of continually obsoleted technology they don't own fed a diet of propaganda pushing technology and its proponents as saviors and not oppressors.
Yeah, there's definitely a range. I'm gen z and we never really had game consoles, so I grew up mostly gaming on a Mac (do not recommend, although I think the translation layer situation has improved since then). I also have memories of putting in tapes, cartridges, and floppy disks to my parents' old Atari and Commodore computers (both of which actually worked great after having not been used for like >30 years)
Gen Z is a wide spectrum.
I started on the PS1 and I am Gen Z
Because we’ve been conditioned to think that putting in a disc means a quick 5GB update to install…come back in 20 min
It’s been incremental but the landscape of gaming is now a casino with games, not games with betting.
Still have a slim PS2 and wouldn’t you know it, it still plays all the games I bought for it.
Amazing. Maybe we could reverse-engineer it and figure out how the ancients achieved this technology.
But that would be communism!
It was achieved by emblazoning the games on to sacred discs.
I put a hard drive in mine, now it also plays the games I didn't bought for it!
"You expect the things you paid for and bought to still be there later?"
Yes, you corporate nut sucking fuck nugget, I do.
Your way with words is beautiful
I try 🩷
Haha, I was selling a whole racing chair/wheel/shifter combo for my partner's dad and he got it for the PS3, so it came with around 10 games. I used dirt to test it, ended up deciding to keep it for myself in the end.
BUT my account and downloaded games also worked, because I didn't hook it up to the Internet (which after reading this I shall never do).
That shit should be illegal. They should be charged with theft and treated accordingly, or at the least get the shit kicked out of them; the way we used to treat thieves in the good old days.
Sony should fucking refund me for every one of my games that I bought that stops working
I'll just never rent anything from them again. Fuck renting.
| You expect a 10yr old console to resume back to normal?
Yes? I recently considered trading in my old Xbox 360, but when I booted it up I discovered I still had around a hundred games still stored locally.
After the wave of nostalgia subsided, I realized how lucky I was. Keeping that bad boy forever.
Weeelllllllll... until it red rings at least.
Luckily, it's one of the cases which can be fixed with a little oven time
thats a temporary bandaid that can shorten the life of other things on the board.
its been years, but IIRC the only actual fix for the issue, besides getting an xbox 360 slim, was to have someone with the tools and know how remove and reball the CPU and GPU with good quality leaded solder.
I've been using my Hotmail account since 1998. I can log in right now and go back and read all the stupid emails my friends and I were sending each other in high school 28 years ago. And I've never paid a cent for that Hotmail account. And my cartridge games still have my saves.
So yeah, I do expect that.
they might not much longer, batteries and finite life and all that.
but at least you can slap new batteries in them and the game will still fucking work, and not permanently taken away from you because you took to long to go back and replay it.
also, cartridges are repairable.
Battery dies?
Easily replaced.
save ROM fails? Easily replaced.
board eaten by corrosion? 98% chance someones reverse engineered it and posted the pcb design files online for you to get made via one of the PCB companies.
Hell, even if the chip holding the game itself dies, you can replace it and flash the new game from a rom file and be back to playing on your console again, at relatively minimum cost.
But modern disk gets scratched? Hope it still works.. If it doesnt, well, you're only hope is modding the console to boot a burnable disk or buy a new copy.
Not all cartridges have batteries in them.
Most the ones with internal storage for save files do.
You shouldn't. Microsoft locked me out of my 2001 hotmail account a few years ago.
Yes, I expect that.
Just shake out the mouse turds and plug that fucker in
It’s a N64, not an IDF rack. No mouse turds in my home electronics.
Oh, my sweet summer child...
Hantavirus calling.
it's weird how the same console would have still worked fine if it were modded and had pirated games on it
It is the only way it would have worked fine. Sony cant step out of this minefield of bad press lol
I bought my NES with my own money in 1988ish after saving up for months. If I go downstairs and power it on right now, I'm certain Tetris will fire right up.
I am less certain. Cartridges dont exactly age well. I had enough trouble with them in the 90s.
I dont mean to defend not owning our games, just saying cartridges were not perfect either.
Those carts are made to last. The bits on those ROMs will outlast DVDs burned decades later.
I've had the batteries die in carts with save functionality but I've never had a cartridge itself stop working. Maybe I've been lucky.
tfw i turn on my ps1 to play final fantasy 7 and my save where i go on a date with barret is still there.
Sony is legit the only company I know of that stores shit you bought on their servers and will delete your shit if you're not active on the account for over a set period of time (in their case it's 3 years, if I am remembering right). Nobody else has a time limit for inactivity.
My Sega Genesis from 94 boots up and plays the games That were purchased back then whenever I want it to…
I just bought Shadow Dancer and whaddayaknow, it just started after I plugged in the cart. Great game btw.
I’ve never heard anybody else talk about this game. But on Sega Genesis, there’s this puzzle game called zoop. It takes a second or two to teach yourself how to play it. But it’s crazy Addictive
I'll check it out
I have no idea what i'm doing 🤪
was it one of Nintendo's own love hotels?
I fire my 8 bit Nintendo up every five years or so. As long as I blow in the cartridge I'm still good to go.
Fgs use a q-tip! Your saliva will corrode not only the cartridge but the contacts in the system.
I've always been told not to put a qtip anywhere my elbow wouldn't fit.
Then how do you clean your colon‽
I ask one of my friends to use their elbow for me.
Seems reasonable.
Have you tried their knees instead?
Elbow.
Does a nipple fit.
That's what the toilet brush is for.
I'm more disgusted at the state of their urethra. You've gotta clean that thing
I've replaced the save battery on NES carts before and save keeps working. Gaming used to be cool. Now it's just a momentary money grab the company hopes you forget about.
See, I could maybe buy this argument if it was something unintentional. Maybe a server went down and lost all the data, or some hack required them to upgrade their security in a way that a 10-year-old console couldn't handle. Sure, that kind of thing happens (though not usually for a megacorp like Sony, but anyway). But they made this decision intentionally. They put in extra work to make sure that it would function in this anticonsumer way. It cost them money and time to make this change.
Do I expect a console that I purchased 10 years ago to still operate in the same way now, barring disasters or malfunctions? Yes. Yes I do.
For anyone who expects their retro console to boot up and be playable, check to see if your console has known capacitor issues before powering it up. Even caps not part of the plague can leak if they're old enough. If they're powered on with leaking caps, it can be much harder to fix than if the caps were replaced before being powered on
The original Xbox has a capacitor thats prone to fail.
I haven't used my PS2 in about 20 years, and know for a fact that I could hook it up and play Jak and Daxter today with a single hdmi adapter.
Finds old psp in the closet
Holy shit it still works, can’t say that about the memory card though
Easily solved with a cheap microSD->pro duo adapter. Can't save the lost data, but, can make it work again!
Sadly not much to be done about bit rot
Yeah, is feels like we kinda went from:
Yay, CD's, no more issues with blowing on carts
Yay, hard drives, no more swapping memory sticks
Yay, cloud saves, no more needing to transfer my data between devices
Nice! Online servers so I don't need to figure out that weird networking stuff and can play with my friends wherever they are
Online store, cool I can get a copy of X without needing to wait for Blockbuster/K-Mart to get it in!
Damn, I can't play online because the multiplayer servers are down/busted
Shit, I can't play single player because the login servers are down/busted
Wait... what happened to all my f'ing games!?
I find my DS every few years and it still just turns on with the same charge for the last decade and a half. No idea what they made those batteries out of.
Don't be like Toblin
Toblinweb3 🤢
Yes.
My PS2 has game saves from 2002 on it that still function.
Just saying, the Xbox 360 doesn't have that problem, since buying a game gives a license to both the account and the console it has been bought on. So even if you get banned, your console should still be able to play the game with an other account. Of course they "patched" it with the Xbox One.
The "patch" for the X1 also allows anyone on the home console of the account to play the game, which has led to many people game sharing with a friend.
You could do that on Xbox 360 too. I did. Also, the game they gave "for free" with the xbox live subscription went from "keep it forever" to "keep it as long as you pay". They would have probably started with that system sooner, but the Xbox 360 market didn't support game rental like that.
That's why I've never bought a digital game on console. For years, my strategy was to buy AAA games physically on console and indie games on PC via DRM-free services. Now that Sony is stopping physical disc production I won't have that option anymore, but luckily none of the AAA studios make anything worth a damn these days.
Yo ho ho, it's a pirate's life for me.
I haven't even thought about it. I know where to find the games on the high seas and emulators are my preferred mode of play, although there are probably ways to run them on original hardware.
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.
I have enough content in emulators alone that it would be pretty damn easy to just stop buying consoles and big studio titles entirely. Which I guess I've kind of done already.
Hell even if you forbid old PC games, my AuDHD ass could bounce between Chrono Trigger and Symphony of the Night for years.
This has to be a troll, right? 10 years is nothing. Heck, my 12-year-old laptop still runs most games being published on Steam to this day.
Yes, yes that should be a normal expectation.
If you buy a game as a kid, play the fuck out of it, then end up tossing that console in a box or closet for a decade as you grow up, then when that nostalgic urge to play your old game again hits you should be able to plug the console in and play again. Not be told that your Xstation account was deleted because you didn't log in as ButtholeSurfer696969lol in the last few years so all of those purchases no longer exist.
Stop buying videogame consoles. The companies making the consoles think you are all 12 and treat you like you were born yesterday.
If it have a blue-checkmark - just ignore it's opinion.
It's amazing anything legible comes out when he's so busy presenting himself for corporate dong
Paradoxically, I’ll open GOG to replay Riven or Ultima Underworld, and I’ll find my last save, and feel silly seeing the last place I got stuck.
I could start up sonic on my sega genesis right now.
Bruh I cleaned my PS2, turned it on after being in storage for a decade, and it remembered what time/date it was. That CMOS cell battery is a goddamn king
And of course, discs and memory cards. I'm sure some folks' digital PS2 mods are also solid, and aren't affected by one of the weakest links, the read laser.
Just plugged it in and gave it a try... My NES still works... The "just plugged it in" part was a bit tedious,.. finding the right adapters,,😅🤣
You have to find a RGB to HDMI converter/ scaler?
Look at Mr Fancy Pants with the RCA cords, real men game on coax
If the PSN account was deleted, this is less a PS3 issue and more a digital software licensing issue.
i would say that it’s a PS3 issue due to being dependent on licensing issues prevent a user from playing games they own
But the PS3 isn't preventing them. The fact that their PSN account is deleted is preventing them. I can play my games on my PS3 still.
Either way, it's Sony providing an inferior product
I booted up my PS3 recently and everything worked as it did last time I turned it on, in like 2014. It needed a firmware update for the Blu-Ray player to play a Blu-ray my partner got, so I installed CFW. Now it works great forever! But even before modding it, I booted up into some random stuff. It remembered where I was, after modding, on a Blu-ray movie I didn’t remember watching!
About a decade ago they discovered a lost tablet that adds 20 "new" lines to the Epic of Gilgamesh. Four millennia, and all they had to do was dust it off and translate it. Stone tablets turn out to be a very good medium for preserving culture.
Video games is also a cultural medium - video games are also pieces of culture. They should not be intentionally made to be lost to time.
My Nintendo DS Lite is still in perfect working order despite not having been turned on for 5 years!
The dickhead replying is so fucking dumb. If the console was physically broken in any way, then the discussion could be about planned obsolescence or regular wear and tear or how it was stored. But the console DID survive. It did "resume back to normal", but it is artificially rendered worthless by the company.
We could talk about how long a console should physically last, with issues like the red ring of death being an example of them not lasting long enough, but the idea that Sony says you didn't play frequently enough so you no longer own the things you paid for is absurd.
My PS Vita spent years in a closet, I charged it and it was as good as new (maybe the battery needs to be swapped), so yes.
Hack that shit
Easiest console to hack, PS doesn't give a damn about it. And it has a bunch of homebrew and runs emulators
I did so
Instantly jailbreak that shit
Everything about modern console gaming has been frustrating. I'm trying to help my kids, but having physical media hard to find, never-ending account creation, and then features locked behind online stuff, that you then have to subscribe to the console company to play anything online? What have we done?
"Tøblin"'s brand of corporate apologia is so dumb. Oh, no, I just hadn't considered that they were being dipshits for money, that's perfectly all right then.
Most recent console I have used (and still use frequently) is a Gameboy Color from 1998. Original hardware (I did replace the screen).
Last game I finished was Pokemon yellow on an original cartridge. Worked fine, after 25+ years (with a new cartridge battery).
the bootlickery
Toblin is the kind of person that makes me wish you could beat people up over the internet.
The type of people who try to normalize this BS and boot lick for mega corps deserve a good 'ol falcon punch.
My PS2 resumes like normal
If the saves are still there you can probably transfer them to an Emulator. Ps3 emulation is getting there.
I have an Xbox 360 that has sat idle in closet since 2015. This past January, my son and ai were snowed in when I remember it. Pulled it out and found the kinetic. For the next 3 days we played fruit ninja and had a blast. I didnt connect online for any "Updates" so im not sure if I lost any licenses
My Atari 2600 still works!
I have pirated copies of Sierra online games from the 80s and some of them have saves made by the first person who uploaded them. Who were those people? No idea. But I would LOVE to know where they are now.
I still have an old cracked Doom 2 CD. No problems whatsoever... We're talking 30 years there
Doom 2.... CD?
I thought it only came on floppy...
I love how you apparently think that Doom 2 is some obscure game that was only released once for MS-DOS on floppy disks.
N64 was made when they still cared about pushing the creative limits of what they could do with the tech, rather than just seeing how to use it to squeeze every last penny out of the consumer
Worth noting that it's extremely easy to hack a PS3 and bypass the DRM.
My Wii and Xbox360 still work more or less the same as they ever did.
I sold all my childhood consoles and games before I moved out on my own.
I think it would be kind of neat to play those games on original hardware, assuming the hardware itself still works. Obviously the "saves" on some of those 30+ year old cartridges might no longer work. On the other hand, it would just be more unused stuff sitting around taking up space and making moves more complicated for the past 3 decades, so I'm also perfectly at peace with the fact that I don't have them anymore.
A couple of years ago, I fired up the Wii I bought from a buddy of mine back in '07 or '08, which was one of the early NA models from 2006. It still worked and the games I checked out still worked, including the digital ones. The online stuff is non-functional now though, but I never really used any of that other than sometimes I'd fire up the browser for the novelty of it.
Anyway pointless stories aside, I assume that reply was just contrarian / rage-bait commentary for engagement. I don't know that particular person, but I know that type. They look at every interaction as a chance to "dunk" on someone / demonstrate their superiority in some way and/or as a means to gain attention, any attention, good or bad.
So, I wouldn't read too much into it, unless you happen to know these folks personally.
no profit to be made from that, silly
It's a Crazybites CD, with a lot of other cracked games on it aswel