I'm in both camps on IPv6, although much more to the hate than love side of things.
Pros: More addresses for everyone. Should solve IP exhaustion for a lot of folks, even those of us that live off the LAN most of the time. A lot of the globe uses it these days, so in some ways, it's always a good time to migrate.
Cons: It is NOT a drop-in replacement for IPv4. ICMPv6 is necessary for this to really tick. You cannot simply turn it off since it's way more than ping packets this time around. It brings with it a beefy attack surface, and you must be able to handle a range of message types correctly. Hardening requires use of SEND and other tech, making it a more expensive proposition over all.
Also, it's really easy to just put your entire home LAN on the /56 or whatever range your ISP gives you. This might be a mistake, as an error in your firewall config could just put everything on the open internet. Meanwhile, the humble IPv4 NAT, that ships standard in every ISP router/switch they give you, fails closed by default - stock and bad configurations hide everything from the internet instead.
Really, all anyone wanted was IPv4 with a bigger address space. This could have been an extension header for IPv4, ICMP, ARP, some clever address management on the part of ICANN, and we would have called it a day.
Then there are all the ones that fail "open" in that they allow their admin interface to be reached from the wan side. In practice, not using IPv6 has very little impact on the over all infiltration rate of consumer network devices.
Hazbin Hotel. I don't think it is a good show. The fandom is made up of terminally online deviants. The hate train is a bit too much though. Just block the sub, filter a few words in Mastodon or whatever, and move on.
The fact that many noobs and trolls single out the show for being nothing about swearing constantly. While ignoring the real and actually important flaws like the pacing, the unresolved storylines, and especially the questionable motives for its lead is why I side with Blue sky on why Hazbin is so unwarrantably bashed.
I like Hazbin better than Helluva Boss. The vocal performances are fine, but I dunno why they have Vaggie singing soprano when her character's voice has an alto timbre. They're either forcing her to sing above her range, or act lower than it. On either count, while technically talented, it's incongruent and disorienting.
Helluva Boss is all toilet humor and loud screaming. It occasionally has enough of a serious storyline to give unpleasant emotional whiplash that thinks it's a punchline.
Formula One Motorsports. Most new fans (people who started liking the series after Netflix’s Drive to Survive) hate the old fans. Everyone hates what the governing body is doing with the new cars this year. There is too much battery control. The races seem fake. Tracks are being dropped and everyone has an opinion. Road courses vs purpose built tracks. It is just a big ball of drama any way you want to consume it. I often say F1 is a soap opera where races get in the way.
I've steered clear of MOBA's so far because I've read that they hold just about the most abusive and elitist bunch of players in gaming. Still, I have the itch to try one. Is there a MOBA out there that will let an old fart with iffy reflexes play without getting skinned alive by his teammates? Especially as a noob? One where the players don't take shit as seriously as if they were fighting for the very fate of Middle Earth?
There is no such thing as non abusive moba. When you are forced in group with 4 other random people against other 5 random people an argument is bound to start be it inside your team or from the enemy. Always expect to be trash talked in a moba no matter which one.
My first couple of attempts in MOBAs reminded me of when I tried UO...take one step outside Britain and get slaughtered and called every name in the book...TO me this format draws the most elitist jerks in the industry.
I don't think you could pick a worse genre when it comes to douchenozzles.
Random MOBA groups are always going to be abusive.
I played a DotA 2 mutiplayer game myself. Once.
And I note that as of this writing, the only two people to list a video game in their comments have listed MOBAs (DotA 2 and League of Legends).
Playing a MOBA-like boardgame is possibly the best option because, face to face, people aren't as likely to be assholes and trolls, even with people they never saw before and might never see again.
Guards of Atlantis (or its sequel) and Skytear (or Onward, its sequel) might be worth checking, for anyone interested
Dota introduced behavior scores and tries to match chill people with chill people now. It's really easy to ragebait someone when you're stressed out though. I get quiet or helpful teams more than raging teams these days, luckily, but it's super difficult to tell a flamer, in a nice way, that pointing fingers won't fix our teamplay and we need a better strategy right now.
I think the best strategy is to liberally mute anyone who even seems slightly stressed out, before they snap for real.
It was a pretty good children's tv show aimed at young girls.
Some terminally online dudes, probably due to the over-the-top girlie nature of the show, start to watch it so they can make fun of it. Then some of the terminally online dudes realize that it is halfway decent - but more importantly, realize they can get a funnier reaction by trolling the haters with the show's strong points. This attracts more dudes who arent necessarily trolls, so much as they have a deeply seated need to be contrarian - the fact that this show was very clearly not made for them drives them to want to watch it, and they find community with the other pathologically contrarian online dudes who also watch it for the same reason.
Hence, there are two parallel fandom/hatedoms. The primary - little girls and terminally online dudes hating on a tv show made for little girls. And then the bronies and brony-haters. The existance of brony-haters being completely unsurprising because that was the point of watching the show in the first place - after all, there are other tv shows. There are better tv shows. And there is always the option to simply watch a tv show you like and then not make fanfic art about it and not bring it up in conversation in your college dorm room. The underlying motivation of the brony was never to simply enjoy watching a tv show, but to watch a tv show that other people didn't want them to enjoy, and therefore to piss people off by enjoying it. And so the existance of the brony haters isnt so much a bug of the brony community, nor a feature, but the whole point.
MLP is actually making a bit of a comeback right now. I saw so many pony cosplays at comicon, but they're all the age to have watched FiM when they were the proper target audience. So it made enough of an impact on these people that they go full cerulean body paint in a heatwave 10-15 years later.
It's a really good cartoon though. It had strong, consistent characters, developing over 9 seasons. Stories were well-written, setting up a problem with a character flaw and resolving with a lesson learned. The ensemble cast meant that every permutation of pony resulted in new dynamics.
And it inspired so many artists, many of them still active. A lot of them dropped the "brony" from their name by now, but there's so many musicians who started in MLP and branched out.
And it inspired so many artists, many of them still active. A lot of them dropped the “brony” from their name by now, but there’s so many musicians who started in MLP and branched out.
Yep. I don't really actively consider myself a brony anymore, but brony music still has a large place in my playlist. So many genuinely good songs.
Back when it got momentum, I was one of the idiots who got sucked into it because of "lol, let's hate watch it" and actually enjoyed it up to a point (S5, I think? First season after Twilight became princess). Season openings and finales were usually the best episodes, taking the cast out of slice of life situations and dropping them into dangerous adventures.
I wrote some fanfiction that never saw the light of day - thankfully for me and anyone who would end up reading it
I watched a lot of them with my kids. As far as kids shows go, there are definitely worse ones out there, but I went in knowing that bronies exist, and expected to find some deeper artistic value, but no, it's just a kids show about magic pony friends.
Same here. My kids were super into it and I had the theme song seared into my brain, but I guess I didn't pay enough attention to get the nuance that people seem to enjoy.
Maybe I’m falling into an unfamiliarity trap, but I never really understood why My Little Pony was seen as worthy of such adulation.
It was a toy-based cartoon that had actual care put into its storytelling and characters. It also had many pop culture references and jokes. Might not seem so remarkable now, but in 2010 almost all comparable cartoons were soulless crap, especially when it came to "girly" properties like MLP. It was one of the first shows in what many people now consider a golden age of cartoons (followed by shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls etc)
The Breaking Bad universe. There's a lot of shitty dudes who idolize Walter White, and then there's the Better Call Saul shit posting that seems largely nonsensical and mostly harmless
League of Legends, Star Wars. If we travel some years back in time, World of Warcraft, though it has been dying down thanks to a steady decline of players
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The English football team. Especially when they start talking about how "it's coming home."
The Last Of Us. They're the same people, though. Those who love part 1, and mouth-frothingly hate part 2.
The Amazing Digital Circus. At least the fan base is toxic enough that multiple YouTubers felt compelled to make hour long videos about it.
Homestuck
IPv6
I'm in both camps on IPv6, although much more to the hate than love side of things.
Pros: More addresses for everyone. Should solve IP exhaustion for a lot of folks, even those of us that live off the LAN most of the time. A lot of the globe uses it these days, so in some ways, it's always a good time to migrate.
Cons: It is NOT a drop-in replacement for IPv4. ICMPv6 is necessary for this to really tick. You cannot simply turn it off since it's way more than ping packets this time around. It brings with it a beefy attack surface, and you must be able to handle a range of message types correctly. Hardening requires use of SEND and other tech, making it a more expensive proposition over all.
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Also, it's really easy to just put your entire home LAN on the /56 or whatever range your ISP gives you. This might be a mistake, as an error in your firewall config could just put everything on the open internet. Meanwhile, the humble IPv4 NAT, that ships standard in every ISP router/switch they give you, fails closed by default - stock and bad configurations hide everything from the internet instead.
Really, all anyone wanted was IPv4 with a bigger address space. This could have been an extension header for IPv4, ICMP, ARP, some clever address management on the part of ICANN, and we would have called it a day.
Then there are all the ones that fail "open" in that they allow their admin interface to be reached from the wan side. In practice, not using IPv6 has very little impact on the over all infiltration rate of consumer network devices.
Maybe not other people's devices, but it would have a big effect on my devices
This is a joke answer, but somehow also true.
But that's the one that nobody needs 😉
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RFC8200 is the word of god and will solve world hunger. Anyone who disagrees can get fucked.
There’s no place like ::1
LMAO. So true xD
Basically every religion.
MAGA
Taylor Swift
As a Swiftie, yes.
Maybe Twilight. I used to be part of the hatedom. I read the books and fanatically nitpicked at them
Star Wars?
Star Wars is the answer. Because the biggest fans are also the biggest haters.
My IP is 127.0.0.1
Is that a toxic one?
Fuck off with that shit ::1 is where its's at!
Doxxing everyone's home address? Yep, very toxic.
How did they show everyone their home address at the same time? Is this a Hunter2 situation?
Arguably the most toxic!
But back in the FTP era, it always had stale warez and the best pr0n.
Hazbin Hotel. I don't think it is a good show. The fandom is made up of terminally online deviants. The hate train is a bit too much though. Just block the sub, filter a few words in Mastodon or whatever, and move on.
The fact that many noobs and trolls single out the show for being nothing about swearing constantly. While ignoring the real and actually important flaws like the pacing, the unresolved storylines, and especially the questionable motives for its lead is why I side with Blue sky on why Hazbin is so unwarrantably bashed.
And I don't even like the show one bit either.
I like Hazbin better than Helluva Boss. The vocal performances are fine, but I dunno why they have Vaggie singing soprano when her character's voice has an alto timbre. They're either forcing her to sing above her range, or act lower than it. On either count, while technically talented, it's incongruent and disorienting.
Helluva Boss is all toilet humor and loud screaming. It occasionally has enough of a serious storyline to give unpleasant emotional whiplash that thinks it's a punchline.
Scientology. They don't want to be seen as such, but that is because they are toxic!
And Mormons
Formula One Motorsports. Most new fans (people who started liking the series after Netflix’s Drive to Survive) hate the old fans. Everyone hates what the governing body is doing with the new cars this year. There is too much battery control. The races seem fake. Tracks are being dropped and everyone has an opinion. Road courses vs purpose built tracks. It is just a big ball of drama any way you want to consume it. I often say F1 is a soap opera where races get in the way.
As an F1 fan since 2021 who did NOT get into it through Drive to Survive, this seems accurate.
DotA 2
https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/447996/noob-friendly-non-abusive-moba
I played a DotA 2 mutiplayer game myself. Once.
And I note that as of this writing, the only two people to list a video game in their comments have listed MOBAs (DotA 2 and League of Legends).
Playing a MOBA-like boardgame is possibly the best option because, face to face, people aren't as likely to be assholes and trolls, even with people they never saw before and might never see again.
Guards of Atlantis (or its sequel) and Skytear (or Onward, its sequel) might be worth checking, for anyone interested
Dota introduced behavior scores and tries to match chill people with chill people now. It's really easy to ragebait someone when you're stressed out though. I get quiet or helpful teams more than raging teams these days, luckily, but it's super difficult to tell a flamer, in a nice way, that pointing fingers won't fix our teamplay and we need a better strategy right now.
I think the best strategy is to liberally mute anyone who even seems slightly stressed out, before they snap for real.
Kpop idols like BTS or Black Pink, League of Legends
I don't know, maybe My Little Pony? Are Bronies still a thing?
Maybe I'm falling into an unfamiliarity trap, but I never really understood why My Little Pony was seen as worthy of such adulation.
It was a pretty good children's tv show aimed at young girls.
Some terminally online dudes, probably due to the over-the-top girlie nature of the show, start to watch it so they can make fun of it. Then some of the terminally online dudes realize that it is halfway decent - but more importantly, realize they can get a funnier reaction by trolling the haters with the show's strong points. This attracts more dudes who arent necessarily trolls, so much as they have a deeply seated need to be contrarian - the fact that this show was very clearly not made for them drives them to want to watch it, and they find community with the other pathologically contrarian online dudes who also watch it for the same reason.
Hence, there are two parallel fandom/hatedoms. The primary - little girls and terminally online dudes hating on a tv show made for little girls. And then the bronies and brony-haters. The existance of brony-haters being completely unsurprising because that was the point of watching the show in the first place - after all, there are other tv shows. There are better tv shows. And there is always the option to simply watch a tv show you like and then not make fanfic art about it and not bring it up in conversation in your college dorm room. The underlying motivation of the brony was never to simply enjoy watching a tv show, but to watch a tv show that other people didn't want them to enjoy, and therefore to piss people off by enjoying it. And so the existance of the brony haters isnt so much a bug of the brony community, nor a feature, but the whole point.
MLP is actually making a bit of a comeback right now. I saw so many pony cosplays at comicon, but they're all the age to have watched FiM when they were the proper target audience. So it made enough of an impact on these people that they go full cerulean body paint in a heatwave 10-15 years later.
It's a really good cartoon though. It had strong, consistent characters, developing over 9 seasons. Stories were well-written, setting up a problem with a character flaw and resolving with a lesson learned. The ensemble cast meant that every permutation of pony resulted in new dynamics.
And it inspired so many artists, many of them still active. A lot of them dropped the "brony" from their name by now, but there's so many musicians who started in MLP and branched out.
Yep. I don't really actively consider myself a brony anymore, but brony music still has a large place in my playlist. So many genuinely good songs.
Back when it got momentum, I was one of the idiots who got sucked into it because of "lol, let's hate watch it" and actually enjoyed it up to a point (S5, I think? First season after Twilight became princess). Season openings and finales were usually the best episodes, taking the cast out of slice of life situations and dropping them into dangerous adventures.
I wrote some fanfiction that never saw the light of day - thankfully for me and anyone who would end up reading it
I watched a lot of them with my kids. As far as kids shows go, there are definitely worse ones out there, but I went in knowing that bronies exist, and expected to find some deeper artistic value, but no, it's just a kids show about magic pony friends.
Same here. My kids were super into it and I had the theme song seared into my brain, but I guess I didn't pay enough attention to get the nuance that people seem to enjoy.
It was a toy-based cartoon that had actual care put into its storytelling and characters. It also had many pop culture references and jokes. Might not seem so remarkable now, but in 2010 almost all comparable cartoons were soulless crap, especially when it came to "girly" properties like MLP. It was one of the first shows in what many people now consider a golden age of cartoons (followed by shows like Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls etc)
Also had guest characters played by Weird Al and John de Lancie
The Breaking Bad universe. There's a lot of shitty dudes who idolize Walter White, and then there's the Better Call Saul shit posting that seems largely nonsensical and mostly harmless
League of Legends, Star Wars. If we travel some years back in time, World of Warcraft, though it has been dying down thanks to a steady decline of players