Carter would have set up timers on all their torpedoes, found a way to get them home with the caretaker's station, and had the torpedoes beamed all over the station set to explode minutes after the ship got launched back.
Figures the ONE TIME Janeway respects the prime directive....
In her defense, an air force captain is not the same rank as a captain in the Navy, which the starfleet ranks are based on. She'd be like a lieutenant commander in starfleet. So I think she'd fit right in.
"He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the islands of French Guiana and 'round the Suriname Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flames before I give him up!"
NO. That is a RIGHT ANSWER, sir. He was a great Captain, playing the terrible hand he was dealt and doing a remarkable job. A half-finished ship plagued by a mismanaged shipyard's scheduling errors and delays? A skeleton crew? A scheduled shakedown cruise that somehow couldn't be rescheduled? The most famous captain in Starfleet's history aboard? The stunt assignment of a nepo baby helm officer to coincide with that VIP? The fleet monumentally mis-deployed, leaving no backup within range of the capital world of the Federation? A once-in-a-lifetime anomaly threatens some refugees right at that exact moment? And all of this happens while he's got dozens of civilian journalists aboard, documenting the whole thing?
You couldn't stack the deck against a Captain that hard if you tried, unless you made part of the missing crew the entire medical staff-- NO WAIT THEY WERE, AND A RETIRED GUNNER HAD TO BE THE MEDIC. Okay then, how about unless you...I dunno, brought the Borg into the equation and OH WAIT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE EL-AURIANS WERE REFUGEES IN THE FIRST PLACE
It was a miracle that he got anyone off those transport ships, and that the 1701-B made it out losing only one crew member. It was yet another stroke of bad luck that the casualty in question happened to be Kirk.
Harriman was a great Captain and a hero to the fleet. He got lucky in only two ways during that mission: that the VIPs aboard for the trip happened to be highly capable, well-trained leaders willing to roll up their sleeves when they needed to, and that the nepo baby helm officer just happened to also be an excellent pilot.
I feel for the man. He was really dealt a bad hand and he had the maturity to swallow his own pride when he realized that there were people on board that could handle the situation way better than him.
During international family movie night a few weeks ago I surprised everyone with this movie as the second part of a double feature. Everyone loved it. SPACE HERPES FTW
I hate Jellico for his brunt nature and lack of charisma.
But he is ABSOLUTELY what the Enterprise needed.
The atmosphere on the ship was very much still Golden Age of Exploration "ooh look at the fancy new aliens, let's go to that dark corner of space and poke about!" type of un-serious.
Not that anyone took their job lightly, or wasn't right for the ship/starfleet. It's just the general attitude of the crew wasn't that danger could be waiting at the other end of their warp jump, and they weren't ready for the old powers of the galaxy.
Jellico got things moving in the right direction, especially given we had already encountered the Borg. The dominion were on their way even if we didn't know it. A single ship controlled by the Borg could absolutely wreck starfleet, imagine what the Voth could do if they wanted to full force fuck the federation up.
And Troi really needed to wear a proper uniform. (obligatory FUCK Rick Berman)
Jelico wasn't a bad captain because of what he did. he's a bad captain because of how and why he did it.
remember, the whole reason that he was assigned to the Enterprise by Admiral Bitchqueen was because he convinced her that Ryker was too unprofessional to handle a mission of that severity. Which, he fucked up pretty badly. One has to wonder, though, if it might not have been better to send Cairo, instead of the enterprise while they dealt with their captain who had been taken prisoner by the Cardassians. or even better, have sent Jelico and Cairo on the covert mission while Enterprise did the diplomatic thing (which was kinda their job anyway. They're basically a mobile embassy armed up like a battleship. exploration just happened when there was nothing else to do.)
I don't think the change in starfleet's culture was all on Jelico. It's incredibly difficult to change culture like that- even on a single ship. Genuine leaders know this and, in the place of a short term command, they don't even try. They change themselves to fit and operate in that cultural framework.
While Jelico may have been technically correct on a lot of things, and people can go round and round arguing about four shift or three shift crew rotations, the reality is that he was going to be be there for a few days and Picard had things the way he wanted, and would presumably change them back. Any half-baked leader would know that it takes time to make the kind of changes he was instituting. Just for the crew shift rotations alone, that would take a month or more before the circadian rhythms of the crew weren't feeling out of whack and they were back to peak. Doing it when you know you're likely to be going into battle in the next few days is asinine.
Further, he didn't communicate with the crew. They didn't feel the urgency he felt, or the need to be "peak" because, frankly, he didn't tell them shit. he told them what to do and expected them to do it, even though his officers on the Enterprise are themselves qualified as commanding officers and highly experienced (both in combat and in tense diplomatic negotiations. Again, the Enterprise was Starfleet's diplomatic flagship.) So that lack of urgency in their prep was more Jelico's fault than the crew's fault.
he was like that all over the place. Dismissive of Troi's suggestions and advice in handling Ryker and the rest of the crew, dismissive of Ryker's advice, of everyone's advice. He didn't trust them to make decisions and was implementing bullshit changes without explanation or even a reasonable timeframe to get it done.
Which only served to alienate the crew.
The crew was expecting to go into a tense diplomatic negotiations with. The crew that he was ignoring despite this exact thing literally being their exact area of expertise within starfleet. He's an idiot and shouldn't be in charge of an automated replimat, never mind a captain (and what the fuck? they made him an admiral?!)
yeah he was technically right about the uniform, but that conversation could have gone much, much differently. ("I understand that as ship's counselor, you want to keep things casual and comfortable, but you're not just a ship's counselor. You're a vital diplomatic aide, and I need you to look the part. Not because I'm being a jackass, but because it's important we project professionalism and unity.") (seriously. he was an ass in that conversation.)
oh really? i wasn't aware the ship needed someone to fuck up the ship, on both the personal and technical level, just before that important encounter he claimed he was preparing for.
jellico was incompetent moron who tried to mask it by badly played confidence and the episode was classic "they didn't know how good they had it until they lost it".
the fact someone thinks that guy is good captain is always mind-blowing to me.
Martin Landau and Barbara Bain in Space: 1999, the show that answers the question what happens if you make a show almost entirely out of the weird episodes from Star Trek TOS.
heh just started watching this again for whatever streaming it's on for Canada now. And since the garage it crashed into wasn't obliterated must be a single person craft. So yes, Alf is technically a captain, like invader Zim is a conquerer I imagine.
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If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
I love carter, but definitely not a good fit for starfleet. Too "us military" for peaceful exploration. Also too moral for Sec. 31.
Definitely daystrom institute, specializing in first hand field research.
Pff. If Carter had been in Voyager the Delta quadrant would have been a single episode.
Carter would have set up timers on all their torpedoes, found a way to get them home with the caretaker's station, and had the torpedoes beamed all over the station set to explode minutes after the ship got launched back.
Figures the ONE TIME Janeway respects the prime directive....
Gotta make sure those torpedoes are are armed with C-4 warheads, though.
If they had access to photon torpedoes on the daedalus/prometheus/Apollo etc, they'd definitely use them.
C4 is a sidearm though, everyone needs a cargo pant pocket filled with it
In her defense, an air force captain is not the same rank as a captain in the Navy, which the starfleet ranks are based on. She'd be like a lieutenant commander in starfleet. So I think she'd fit right in.
I had no idea. That's interesting.
She made full-bird colonel (O6) eventually, which is Captain in the Navy
She made it to full colonel by the time of Atlantis, same rank as the full-time commanders of Earth's biggest space carriers.
Meh, she's only a captain in the beginning. As far as I'm concerned, she's Colonel Carter.
Daystrom Institute, first hand field research... That's the best Star Trek pitch I've ever heard!
Best to file off the serial numbers and do it outside Paramount, though. They're evil now.
She looks like a good fit for deep space radar telemetry.
Probably in need of a new toaster, as well..
She was NASA, and Air Force, which is the least US Military of the US Military.
Gosh dang this show was ahead of it's time. It was practical military and humanizing space before BSG. We weren't ready for it.
Space: Above & Beyond would like a word
There's also that episode where Jack claims to be Kirk...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYZSDprLUNc
Major Babe
They said "wrong answers only"
He was almost on TNG.
Max Headroom was a solid stand in, though.
Holy crap! How did I not realise till now who plays him!
Taggart's accent threw you off?
This one got a proper LOL out of me!
the IRL jack harkness to be exact, apparently he wasnt "roleplaying"
Capt. Link Hogthrob
Surprised no one has posted this guy yet. Too on the nose?
Too pissed it's been mishandled the way it has, just when it really had gotten its feet under it.
Was it actually cancelled? I thought they were on hiatus.
Helluva long hiatus, and no real indication of progress toward another season. At this rate they'll be too old to continue.
Orville 2: We Broke The Ship sounds fun tho
Probably. Shame.
S4 was confirmed by Scott then the SAG strike hit
Picard is a Frenchman that speaks with an English accent, so why not a Russian that speaks with a Scottish accent?
Accent is accent, no difference
We have a warp core breach, doctor Crusher lead the crew to the escape pods while myself and the senior staff take the ship into that nebula.
Never give up, never surrender!
By Grabthar's hammer what a savings.
Oh that is great! We need more Star Trek/Galaxy Quest mash ups!
some could probably do something with this little gem...
Roger.
Over
That’s Clarence Oveur, copy?
You have clearance, Clarence.
Roger, Roger.
What's my vector, Victor.?
What?
I picked the wrong day to stop Ketracel white
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
Captain Malcolm Reynolds
(Dunno what's with my instance inserting itself into the URL & causing multiple copies to appear.)
I could see Janeway saying this
If we get lost, we'll just dock somewheres and ask directions.
Capt. Morgan Bateson
90's were a hell of a time for military farce. Down Periscope, Sgt. Bilko, Hot Shots(1/2), and McHale's Navy.
I absolutely love how he seems like he's about to break.
It's like he knew the game would be a pile of shit and decided to lean into it.
But then again, I've never seen him in anything he didn't go all out for.
Plus let's be honest, Einstein in RA2 was almost as ridiculous.
Kari Wurher hammed it up as Tanya quite well.
I absolutely love her in Sliders. I loved everyone in sliders. It's a comfort show.
It's been awhile since I played, but there's one cutscene where she's gearing up, and is definitely shredding the cheese factor.
I love sliders, went out on a high with Exodus
“Shake it, baby!”
The people in charge of the game knew it too, since they deliberately used that take!
Dude also appeared in an episode of Lexx
Also really great with kids
Red Alert 2 and 3 cutscenes are way to good for how bad they are and I love everything about it.
Don’t forget In the Army Now with Pauly Shore, buuuuhddy
Knew I was missing something... Ooo and Major Payne!!
Renaissance Man with Danny DeVito
Lol Marky Mark.
My submariner buddies claim that this movie is the most accurate representation of life on a submarine.
Welcome aboard sailors!
Wait lieutenant Colonel Cameron Mitchell was a captain? Yeah I guess he was few times
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast
What a guy
The prompt was wrong answers only.
Captain Sir Lister of Smeg
I can't hear you!
But to be fair it was his first day.
Excellent choice of screens btw
I've used this for the "Questions?" slide in so many PowerPoints.
"He tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the islands of French Guiana and 'round the Suriname Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flames before I give him up!"
Just ask Sheogorath:
Definitely Bruce Boxleitner, the character not the actor
That's John Sheridan, not Bruce Boxleitner. They look a lot alike. It's an easy mistake to make
Aw crap, thank you
NO. That is a RIGHT ANSWER, sir. He was a great Captain, playing the terrible hand he was dealt and doing a remarkable job. A half-finished ship plagued by a mismanaged shipyard's scheduling errors and delays? A skeleton crew? A scheduled shakedown cruise that somehow couldn't be rescheduled? The most famous captain in Starfleet's history aboard? The stunt assignment of a nepo baby helm officer to coincide with that VIP? The fleet monumentally mis-deployed, leaving no backup within range of the capital world of the Federation? A once-in-a-lifetime anomaly threatens some refugees right at that exact moment? And all of this happens while he's got dozens of civilian journalists aboard, documenting the whole thing?
You couldn't stack the deck against a Captain that hard if you tried, unless you made part of the missing crew the entire medical staff-- NO WAIT THEY WERE, AND A RETIRED GUNNER HAD TO BE THE MEDIC. Okay then, how about unless you...I dunno, brought the Borg into the equation and OH WAIT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE EL-AURIANS WERE REFUGEES IN THE FIRST PLACE
It was a miracle that he got anyone off those transport ships, and that the 1701-B made it out losing only one crew member. It was yet another stroke of bad luck that the casualty in question happened to be Kirk.
Harriman was a great Captain and a hero to the fleet. He got lucky in only two ways during that mission: that the VIPs aboard for the trip happened to be highly capable, well-trained leaders willing to roll up their sleeves when they needed to, and that the nepo baby helm officer just happened to also be an excellent pilot.
I thought it was wrong answers only?!
Although I wasn’t expecting him to show up in the thread till Tuesday.
I feel for the man. He was really dealt a bad hand and he had the maturity to swallow his own pride when he realized that there were people on board that could handle the situation way better than him.
Which is the mark of a good captain. OP IS WRONG AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED.
He’s a B Captain.
Gonna show my age with this one.
God, that was an awful movie. I watched it at least 3 times, lol. Mary Crosby was hot.
Ice Pirates was fucking awesome! Heathen...
That’s the joke. It really is bad. That’s what makes it good.
Had to scroll way to far to get to Ice Pirates
During international family movie night a few weeks ago I surprised everyone with this movie as the second part of a double feature. Everyone loved it. SPACE HERPES FTW
daryl dragon aka 'captain' of captain & tennille
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_&_Tennille
God dammit.
Anyways, here’s the picture I picked:
i had others, but i was listening to my 70s-80s playlist at the time, so this one popped in first.
the others: captain kangaroo, captain ron, cap'n crunch, and captain caveman.
It's Neelix, obviously. Although technically I guess he outranks the captain.
Ah, sadly after Pepsi pulled its sponsorship.
::: spoiler In Universe Wrong Answer? This fucking guy. :::
::: spoiler Best Captain, but not Trek? Captain Edward Teach. or Sheridan, but someone else already took that. :::
I'll be that guy.
I hate Jellico for his brunt nature and lack of charisma.
But he is ABSOLUTELY what the Enterprise needed.
The atmosphere on the ship was very much still Golden Age of Exploration "ooh look at the fancy new aliens, let's go to that dark corner of space and poke about!" type of un-serious.
Not that anyone took their job lightly, or wasn't right for the ship/starfleet. It's just the general attitude of the crew wasn't that danger could be waiting at the other end of their warp jump, and they weren't ready for the old powers of the galaxy.
Jellico got things moving in the right direction, especially given we had already encountered the Borg. The dominion were on their way even if we didn't know it. A single ship controlled by the Borg could absolutely wreck starfleet, imagine what the Voth could do if they wanted to full force fuck the federation up.
And Troi really needed to wear a proper uniform. (obligatory FUCK Rick Berman)
Jelico wasn't a bad captain because of what he did. he's a bad captain because of how and why he did it.
remember, the whole reason that he was assigned to the Enterprise by Admiral Bitchqueen was because he convinced her that Ryker was too unprofessional to handle a mission of that severity. Which, he fucked up pretty badly. One has to wonder, though, if it might not have been better to send Cairo, instead of the enterprise while they dealt with their captain who had been taken prisoner by the Cardassians. or even better, have sent Jelico and Cairo on the covert mission while Enterprise did the diplomatic thing (which was kinda their job anyway. They're basically a mobile embassy armed up like a battleship. exploration just happened when there was nothing else to do.)
I don't think the change in starfleet's culture was all on Jelico. It's incredibly difficult to change culture like that- even on a single ship. Genuine leaders know this and, in the place of a short term command, they don't even try. They change themselves to fit and operate in that cultural framework.
While Jelico may have been technically correct on a lot of things, and people can go round and round arguing about four shift or three shift crew rotations, the reality is that he was going to be be there for a few days and Picard had things the way he wanted, and would presumably change them back. Any half-baked leader would know that it takes time to make the kind of changes he was instituting. Just for the crew shift rotations alone, that would take a month or more before the circadian rhythms of the crew weren't feeling out of whack and they were back to peak. Doing it when you know you're likely to be going into battle in the next few days is asinine.
Further, he didn't communicate with the crew. They didn't feel the urgency he felt, or the need to be "peak" because, frankly, he didn't tell them shit. he told them what to do and expected them to do it, even though his officers on the Enterprise are themselves qualified as commanding officers and highly experienced (both in combat and in tense diplomatic negotiations. Again, the Enterprise was Starfleet's diplomatic flagship.) So that lack of urgency in their prep was more Jelico's fault than the crew's fault.
he was like that all over the place. Dismissive of Troi's suggestions and advice in handling Ryker and the rest of the crew, dismissive of Ryker's advice, of everyone's advice. He didn't trust them to make decisions and was implementing bullshit changes without explanation or even a reasonable timeframe to get it done.
Which only served to alienate the crew.
The crew was expecting to go into a tense diplomatic negotiations with. The crew that he was ignoring despite this exact thing literally being their exact area of expertise within starfleet. He's an idiot and shouldn't be in charge of an automated replimat, never mind a captain (and what the fuck? they made him an admiral?!)
yeah he was technically right about the uniform, but that conversation could have gone much, much differently. ("I understand that as ship's counselor, you want to keep things casual and comfortable, but you're not just a ship's counselor. You're a vital diplomatic aide, and I need you to look the part. Not because I'm being a jackass, but because it's important we project professionalism and unity.") (seriously. he was an ass in that conversation.)
oh really? i wasn't aware the ship needed someone to fuck up the ship, on both the personal and technical level, just before that important encounter he claimed he was preparing for.
jellico was incompetent moron who tried to mask it by badly played confidence and the episode was classic "they didn't know how good they had it until they lost it".
the fact someone thinks that guy is good captain is always mind-blowing to me.
Pinche inyalowda!
My Captain o7
Commodore Glen Ross
The man fate has made indestructible:
Dun-dun-dun der-da-da dun!
Captain Scarlett.
“Captain” Ryan Clark
TV RYAN! TV RYAN!
Darwin! I loved that show as a kid.
Clearly this guy as he gives junior crew members a chance to shine through their work.
He's so good they put him in charge of the Red Dwarf and LV-426.
Dennis the doughnut boy??
Well this certainly ticks a lot of 'Wrong' boxes at least.
I'm not even sure Blake counts as a captain.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTgxOGU5NzItYWNjNC00NjI4LWI1MDItMjJhMzhkYmU3YmUxXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg
I'll double down on "wrong" answers and suggest
Edit: someone waaaay down beat me to it.
A rogue hologram of Admiral Akbar
Harry Kim.
::: spoiler Title Stockton Rush, A.K.A Captain Crunch :::
No complaints on Yelp.
Zaphod is both president and captain by bistro logic.
Ey! It's me.
Well, shit, that's the obvious choice.
Captain Jack Sparrow.
Undoubtably the worst captain I’ve ever heard of.
"But you have heard of me...."
Alright, I'm gonna need 7 seasons, 2 movies and 2.5 spinoffs
I would watch the absolute fuck out of this series
So many good options!
So much smarter and harder working than Johnny Rico.
seaQuest at least has cetacean ops
And a Wesley Crusher knock-off
Is that Vincent Price?
Martin Landau and Barbara Bain in Space: 1999, the show that answers the question what happens if you make a show almost entirely out of the weird episodes from Star Trek TOS.
That show was so beige.
Bruce Boxleitner as Captain John Sheridan
Sisqo was right about that thong,th th th thing.
Captain Grebnedlog
He is smart.
He will make the ship go.
Alf was the only one on the craft that brought him to Earth, right? Captain.
heh just started watching this again for whatever streaming it's on for Canada now. And since the garage it crashed into wasn't obliterated must be a single person craft. So yes, Alf is technically a captain, like invader Zim is a conquerer I imagine.
Well, smoke me a kipper! :::Fist pump:::
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…
What's this from?
DC’s Legends of Tomorrow
Right there in the title
Captain Ed Mercer of the Orville
Devon of Cypress Corner
The Starlost is one that would be great for an Apple TV remake.
Last one, I promise.
He was pretty good though.
Michael Eddington
Ryan Clark.
"It's warlord, not buglord."
("Pree" from Killjoys)
Captain Povey. Debate over.
Captain Wilton Parmenter (F Troop)
Edward Smith
Doctor Who.