How did people treat you after losing weight?
Currently down about 120lbs after 8 years of going up and down. Net loss is 200lbs, given I had some regains over the years. Now, I'm down from 300lbs to 178lbs and ever since I passed 185lbs, I've had a lot more oppurtunities with women.
It feels weird, not gonna lie, it just sorta happened out of nowhere. A lot more women smile at me, talk to me, and look at me more. The attention I started getting just feels like a glimpse really. Not massive amounts, but noticably more. I'm still 10lbs away from being done entirely, as I do still look a bit husky at 178lbs.
Though, it's not just women, but people in general have been treating me better, even strangers. I will finally reach normal weight for the first time ever in the next couple weeks (173lbs according to my BMI) and I can't be more excited to finally see it!
For those who lost weight, what was it like for you? Did people start treating you differently?
Welcome to pretty privilege, beautiful
Yes my friend the world is cruel and shallow, and your looks are a multiplier for all of your opportunities. Go forth and make people happy just by seeing you
People who have lost weight in this thread talk about how their own attitudes changed. Is that what spurned the change for them or a result of the effects? It's probably both but it's complicated. And very, very far from a simple framing like privilege.
"to reject with disdain or contempt"
You mean "spurred", "to incite to action or accelerated growth or development"
More autocorrect. Half my comments are edited because of this bullshit.
Oh, I see. What a weird change, it doesn't even make sense to follow "what" with "spurned". I guess it's true that autocorrect got 'enhanced' with AI.
My guess is that it's dumber than we might imagine and guesses on the basis of word frequency without context. Trying to spell foreign words is horrific. I have a comment about a banjo tune called pateroller that a nightmare to get through because it was convinced I was fat fingering the spelling.
It's because they're being treated like people.
Yes, I immediately started noticing a change in people... as well as in myself (feeling more confident for the most stupid reason: the way people would look at me). Because the real trick is that it's not just 'them' being weird, it's us.
I had to reteach myself to behave like I used to but I kept on losing weight (not thin by any mean but not the obese dude I had been for so many years), because that was what I needed to do in order to preserve what remained of my health.
I’m so jealous any time I see a fat guy who looks completely comfortable with themselves
i never seen a robust guy be comfortable at all, they often struggle to walk or breathe, and thier attitude is often less than pleasant.
Biggest difference was at the doctor's office:
Fat me: Doctor, I've been shot!
Doctor: Have you tried losing weight? That's clearly the problem.
Thin me: Doctor, I've been shot!
Doctor: Well your bloodwork looks great, nothing to do here.
I've gotten to the realization that modern medicine just isn't there yet. Pretty sure I've got some weird inflammatory thing. But even if I do get diagnosed with something, odds are there's going to be nothing I can do about it aside from trying to stay active, not eat things that aggravate it, and stop taking so much random medicine to be comfortable (most things I take more are associated with developing dementia). I don't have the energy to spend all that time getting diagnosed with something there's no real treatment for. So I'm doing my best with the lifestyle recommendations for my symptoms and hoping it takes me on my feet.
Modern medicine is amazing. The issue is how much time and effort it takes. As a computer guy I know how annoying it is to track down an intermittent issue. Imagining a doctor having to do that with an unreliable biological blob sounds impossible.
That's why even in countries with socialised and easy access to medical care the chance of getting someone who has the time to actually dig deep into your issue is rare. It mostly just covers the basic and common problems.
AI and automations could bring us into a utopian era where there are 10x more doctors and educators, where all the underfunded and undervalued things that are important to society and our well being are fully explored, but it seems like the we are headed in the opposite direction.
I'm stuck in the opposite situation right now. I spent my whole life being skinny-fit. That's thanks to undiagnosed ADHD, which kept me bursting at the seams with energy 24/7. I was always running everywhere, biking, canoeing, hiking, doing martial arts and gymnastics, climbing trees, buildings, etc. I had a natural 8-pack without ever going to the gym. I used to get lots of attention and compliments, and I would turn heads in public pretty frequently.
I never had a big head about my looks growing up. I never really noticed I was all that attractive, I just thought I was "normal." It wasn't until I started losing it that it really hit me.
I broke my leg in my late 20s. Motorcycle accident. It was pretty bad, and my job at the time (US military) rushed me to get back to work and back into the gym ASAP, which meant it didn't heal well. I've basically had leg pain ever since, which has severely restricted my physical activity and almost got me kicked out of the military. Both my legs were compromised; I spent several years walking with a cane before knee surgery finally got me back on my feet unassisted. But I'm still dealing with non-stop aches and pains.
Adding to that... I fell down the stairs in my 30s and messed up my back, so now I basically hurt all the time every time I try to move anywhere. I'm 100% Permanent & Total disabled, according to the VA. I can still walk normally and I don't look disabled if you meet me. But I'm basically in minor pain all the time, just from existing.
As a consequence, exercising has become an extreme challenge and I found myself gaining weight over the years of inactivity. I'm already 75 lbs heavier than my target weight and it's really showing in my gut and face. Swimming is pretty much the only exercise I can do with minimal pain, but I hate swimming. So motivating me to go to the pool has been near impossible and I'm just packing on the pounds now.
I've noticed that people don't give me much attention anymore. I haven't turned heads in public in almost a decade now and people don't go out of their way to help me anymore. Folks are more blunt and rude with me, which hurts because I've spent my life trying to foster positive and uplifting communication with everyone I meet.
Also, at 42 years old, I'm finally starting to show my age. On top of the weight gain, my hair is turning gray and receding, and I'm growing large quantities of unsightly hair everywhere else. People treat me like a tired old man now, not a young fit man. I'm having to come to terms with the fact that, even if I do get back in shape somehow, I'll never truly be attractive again. Now that I'm aware of what I once had, it's already gone. I dunno, maybe that's just part of my midlife crisis, but it's been one of my bigger struggles in recent years, having to adjust to a new me who doesn't reflect the me I see myself as. I feel trapped in an ugly body with weights tied to every limb. Every little bit of movement is a painful struggle and it's frustrating.
Shave your head. Join us. The bald life is great
You know, I wanted to find and post this image myself but I was away at the time, and my phone screen is like 2 inches. Thank you for doing it instead 😅
The set up was too good to pass by. Thanks for the pitch.
Not gonna happen.
One of us! One of us!
I can't shave my head. I have ridges on either side of my head. My scalp looks like a wrinkled ballsack. Not only am I hideous with a shaved head, but the ridges prevent me from smoothly shaving. I'll have tufts of hair in the creases of my scalp where I can't reach with a razor.
My best bet is that I don't go completely bald and can do something with what hair I have left. Otherwise, I'm gonna be one ugly bastard in old age.
Some of the electric razors out there could help with this. I have a couple ridges in the back of my head and I just jam that thing in there and it gets it pretty well when a normal razor can't. Mine's panasonic, they make some good ones. But many brands make similar ones. Just don't get one of the ones with several circular heads, those won't get into the cracks. The ones that are basically half-tubes lined up parallel can get in there good. Something with a head that looks like this:
Besides, the real ones don't care what your head looks like. Do what feels best for you.
I also find swimming super boring. I plan to do it more when I get older as it is as you said a good way to exercise without straining/pain.
Have you thought about getting some bone conducting waterproof headphones? You can load audio files onto them like music, podcasts or audio books.
They aren't that expensive anymore. I have shokz but other brands work fine too in my experience.
I'll definitely look into that. Thanks for the recommendation!
Also thanks for sharing your story and good luck!
You can exercise in gym as you get older. All you need to do is have less weight and more reps. It gives the same results without wearing down joints.
For example, bench press 50kg 15 reps instead of 80kg 8 reps. As long as your muscles gets tired so you can't do more reps, they will grow.
Heyyyyy bro I’m there with you!
You’re not alone.
seems peoples attitude after covid changed for the worst in general too. military basically ruined your physical health by not allowing you to heal properly.
Hair growing in unwanted places can just be shaved off. Laser removal might be an option, too.
Receding hairlines are pretty much preventable these days, the earlier you start the better (I learned about that a few years too late). If you care enough to do something about it, start with Finasteride ASAP. If you want to do more, add Minoxidil. If you want to do even more, treat the hair issue as a skin issue and act accordingly, i.e. read up on anti aging skincare and apply that to your scalp (spoiler: sunscreen is king, everything else is detail optimization).
About the graying: That is not necessarily bad, gray hair worn with confidence can be very attractive.
I've tried a handful of hair loss treatments over the past decade, but most of them have some really nasty side effects, all of which I experienced. In the end, I decided to just let my hair do its thing and hope I keep 70% of it like my dad.
My dad had a receding hairline, but at the end of his long life, most of his hair was still there. And I know that the balding gene comes from your mother's side of genetics, but everyone on my mom's side went fully bald by 30 and I still have most my hair into my 40s, so maybe I'll be lucky in that regard.
i have my moms balding gene, she started balding at around 40ish. but my dads hair dint get gray til his 60s. my hair has thinned out also i have generalized alopecia areata which makes my hair fall out.
For me it did not change how people treat me, but how I treat myself. This than reflected how I interact with people and made them treat me better in return.
After going from ~145kg (320lbs)to ~82kg(181lbs) my confidence skyrocketed and I got very possitive and in the mindset of everything is possible if ypu work hard enough.
This mindset did not leave me even when I when back to ~118kg (260lbs) and I was still as popular as I was when I was ~ 82kg (181lbs).
After 1 year with ~118kg tho, the confidence started to waver as I did struggle to get back down and was mentaly in a break point anyways because, you can't outrun the trauma and I had to address my eating dissorder (binge-eating) and undiagnosed neurodiversity.
Now with therapy I'm back back to ~98kg(216lbs) and I started loving and accepting myself again, I often get compliments from people saying, I look great and happy compared to one or two years ago. Not just from the weight but also the aura around me is quite more possitive.
Definitely. I started taking karate in 11th grade and went from almost 300lbs down to 200.
I became visible at that point. People noticed me and talked to me. When I went to college, girls were pursuing ME. It was all very new and strange to me, and I definitely missed some opportunities, just because I didn't always understand when people were flirting with me. It just wasn't anything I had experienced before.
I'm old and fat again, but I think being fit for a while taught me how to project "thin guy energy". Fat is not just a state of body, it's also a state of mind.
Karate's also really good for your posture, which might have changed perceptions of you. BTW most shotokan schools are very welcoming of older people.
In my experience, all traditional styles are welcoming, adapting to different and changing bodies is part of the philosophy.
Cant tell about women as when i was at my height of around 100kg 175-177cm, overweight, no muscle. There weren't that many women in my environment to accurately gauge any treatment. That was some time before covid.
During that time i lost ~25kg. Down to ~72-73kg and that was the time when thanks to covid client services jobs were starting to suffer and there was influx of women to my field.
No treatment difference from men up until that point.
But as i managed to implement a decent resistance training routine along with diet control over time i packed on muscle mass as well with fat loss.
By now I'm ~83kg, 15-17% bodyfat, clearly muscular even by regular gym goers standard.
That did eventually change treatment from guys.
They became more forgiving, friendly and maybe respectful. I have ADHD, so the amount of mistakes i make hasn't changed, but if previously i was scolded for the same mistakes then now I'm rather easily forgiven and told "no worries, shit happens". In addition any advice i say is heeded actually and people to come up to me more regularly to ask for help
Edit: forgot to add in my wife. While the overall treatment hasn't changed as we have been together for around 14 years, so all body types, from skeleton(~60kg in early adulthood) to overweight to muscular. She is most definitely more attracted and "hornier" now when I'm muscular than other times in our life.
I need to keep up my swimming routine..... thanks for the motivation
This is a well known experience for both men and women. There are many reddit threads about this as well.
Almost every human will treat someone sexually appealing much, much better. And for women, it's mostly about being thin, and for men, having a bit of muscles, being tall and having a confident personality.
Both men and women, but specially women, notice how they start to feel invisible in society in their 40s or 50s because they lose their attractive surface. People treat them very differently when they do.
If you have never been very attractive, it's not a big difference, but if you were, it's a massive difference. It's so big and noticable that it can cause depression.
But it's not in every culture. Eastern cultures are not as bad.
I know for at least China, Indonesia, Singapore and especially South Korea that being even a smidge above their idea of normal weight can get you completely shunned from society, and body ideals are quite strict among Japanese celebrities as well, far more than here.
So in which Eastern cultures is this not as bad?
Tough luck, my fellow men. We need to work more on everything, not just plain lifting.
Well we are also stronger and more capable. Specially if humanity hits hard times, it's going to be men who gets us out of it. By sheer force if needed.
Be proud to be a man. Men built the entire world around us. Water, electricity, piping, housing... Everything.
While I applaud the general sentiment... yeah, be proud of what you are, but come on. Basically all non-rich women work, too, and often longer and with less respect than men.
And before you bring out the "but construction workers" argument: Look into a hospital, nursing home, or just any random family home, and tell me that it's majorily men doing the clearly very important and exhausting work...
Besides, it's this attitude that holds us back. Yeah, the average man is stronger than the average woman, but how many % of jobs require full physical strength? The only plausible reason many girls are interested in tech and stuff, yet many women don't pursue a career in there is societal pressure.
Shit's fucked for everyone, let's not have a self pity competition, but work to make it less shitty for everyone.
No i just meant what I wrote, nothing else. Men built the world around us. The heavy infrastructure work for society to work. The stuff that makes women able to work in hospitals now because water, power, sewage, ventilation is working.
Today strength matters less but I think men should be proud to be men, just because they built all that stuff. And also because physically strong is needed for protection. Women are not going to protect themselves against other men.
Its just how it is. I don't see a problem with that. I think men are awesome. I feel good about being a man, for real.
You completely missed my point, I'm sorry. Yes, I feel good being a manly man. Yes, if that is what you are and want to be, you deserve to feel good as well.
I have worked with some breaks since high school, including a handful ofnodd summer jobs in construction, and I have not had a single job that a reasonably fit woman could not do as well.
Plus, nowadays there are plenty of women in trades and industry. Sadly, mostly in "womanly" stuff like gardening/landscaping, which again to me shows that this is not a physical issue, but a societal / psychological one.
Besides, why should I be proud of a random construction worker breaking his back 100 years ago? That's like saying I am proud of being born in the same city as some famous poet. Not my achievement, not even my era. Yeah, Albert Einstein once visited the college I went to, do I get to be proud?
And physical strength has not really been the dominant factor for serious protection in a long time, at least not in the military. A drone does nor care who steers it, and neither does a gun care who shoots it.
As I said, it is not a fucking championship. Everyone deserves happiness, "I am proud because I am born male/female/white/black/straight/gay/..." just pisses me off. Do something good with your life, and be proud of that, for fucks sake.
Yes, everyone deserves happiness. I think you are reading more into what I said than what is there. It's not a competition.
Physical strength will sometimes be useful. I dont think I missed your point since I said in what situations it's useful, and then men needs to protect women. You disagree with that?
And yes today plenty of women in those jobs. I was talking about before. What has already been built.
I agree with you about mostly everything. Women can do most jobs today that men can. Just not everything. And my point was about protecting, not working. Women cant protect themselves against a strong man. They need help from other men.
Mostly yes. Guns are a thing now. Female cops are around 1/4 here. I fucking hate how female soldiers are not conscripted, you enjoy the freedoms in your country, you should have to protect it if shit goes south.
Now, if we talk about wrestling a drunk guy into handcuffs, that is one of the few things where peak physical strength is required. But I'd argue it is less about protecting the cop or the public, but rather the drunk guy from itself, since otherwise we could just shoot a drunk trouble maker.
My wife and I have spent this last six or seven tumultuous years working on our diets. As a result, I've dropped from 280 pounds to 230, and my wife has dropped from 220 pounds to 130 pounds.
I get treated differently.
My wife, on the other hand, gets hit on, catcalled, random compliments about hair/shoes/clothing/etc, every time she goes somewhere. If she wears a sundress you can hear neck vertebrae popping everywhere around her. I'm positive she caused a car accident a month ago because one of the drivers was looking at her. She was always beautiful to me, now I have this hot milf wandering around my house grabbing me whenever she has a chance.
absolutely! I went from 378lbs to 190lbs in just over 2 years and everyone was way nicer. women, (and men), flirted with me. workers in stores offered to help me more often. I got a raise. everyone treated me differently. even long time friends wanted to hang out more often than normal. then life happened, I gained back up to 302lbs. once again, I'm invisible. people rarely talk to me other than just a "good morning". but, I'm back on keto and fasting so soon I'll be back to my former glory.
Could be a combo of your weight loss catching somebody's fancy, but also you yourself may be exuding more happiness which they return with smiles.
No. People really treat you very different if you look good compared to looking bad or average. You have many millions of people who have this experience.
Many good looking people have a self obsessed personality but it doesn't matter for how strangers are attracted to them.
Thats my First part...catching somebodys fancy...they are nice to you because they find you pleasant to look at. Happens to my wife all the time. No makeup and comfortable clothes people are aloof, makeup and nice clothes they are chatty and holding doors for her, etc
Yep. It's just how it is. Nothing we can do, it's just built into our dna.
A lot of women find it a relief when their looks fade, since they never enjoyed that attention from strange men. Other women feel sad and invisible.
I think most guys have never gotten that kind of attention so we don't know what we never had.
Yeah, in my wife's young days she used it to her advantage. Cop giving you a parking ticket, just act cute and you park where you like.
Now it makes her angry that people treat her nicely when she has put makeup on and styled her hair.
Haha yeah. :)
Life is interesting...
But they tend to smile more, and people return that.
Not of you dont look good. Then people think it's creepy, specially women.
I have the most off-putting personality imaginable and I still get a ton of attention from women because I'm tall. It just won't keep peoples attention more than a good personality will.
People can't be shallow! Mistreatment by others is because you're not being happy enough for them!
I had the opposite experience. When I was younger and a very muscular 170 I did ok with women. When I got older and COVID closed my gym I put on a lot of weight, about 240 at my highest, but being older and having figured myself out a lot more I have fewer women turning heads on the street but women I actually talk to were FAR more interested in me.
People have their preferences and I’m sure more people prefer fit partners over not, but often the biggest factor in this change you’ve experienced might not be the weight loss itself, but the confidence it gave you.
yeah 170 and 240 are like a few tens of pounds away from typical. OP is talking about being way higher than typical to getting close to ideal bmi which is atypically fit.
For somebody who’s an average height, 170 and very lean/muscular is atypically fit and 240 is obesity.
We’re talking about the difference between six pack abs and regular trips to your cardiologist lol
OP also mentioned not seeing the increase in attention until he was below 185lbs which 55 lbs lower than 240
yeah its like 240 can be great if your an athlete with a lot of muscle mass but if your 300 the only athlete you can be is a straight up weightlifter or sumo.
240 is not going to be athletic unless you are an above average height and/or are among the highest percentiles of athletes in the world.
240 is like the average weight of an NFL linebacker. They are athletes for sure… but that’s not the “athletic” body type you seem to be picturing. I think your concept of what bodies look like at different weights needs a little more calibrating lol.
I was thinking some boxers and mma fighter. Maybe Im thinking some have been around 220 and its only 20 more but I guess at that point the 20 pounds is going way over. I mean I have been over 200 and the fat was hideable :)
I've lost 105 pounds, and still losing, and not one person has mentioned it to me. I have literally nobody in my life who cares about me at all, but I'm old, and I accepted that long ago.
Most people who respect you won't say anything until you do. I wouldn't comment on someone's weight in either direction unless they mentions it and confirmed it was intentional. There are plenty of cases where the weight loss is because of a disorder or disease, and it could be a sensitive subject. Definitely not something to congratulate them over.
Hey, good job on the weight loss.
Thanks!
First off, congrats on shedding so much excess mass! Second off, ignore BMI, it is a shit metric.
It is a great metric. It is easy to calculate and can be done from historical data where other measurements can't. It's not the only piece of information that should be considered though. It's an indicator not a diagnosis.
I think the problem with BMI is when people misunderstand what it's for. Is not an "am I fat" tool. It's specifically about heart health and it's not used in isolation. The more mass you have (fat or muscle) the more your heart has to work. It's naive to ignore it just because the word "obese" has become an offensive term.
BMI is for population studies and not suitable for individual assessment.
It is incredibly useful for individuals. But it is not a diagnosis by itself. It's an invitation to probe deeper into issues. One thing that people don't like to hear though is that conditions are exacerbated by excess weight.
The safest way to manage some issues can be to decrease mass, but it is genuinely difficult for people to do, relief is slow, and it feels like a value judgement.
Oh yes!
Currently down from 160 to 100kg (350 to 220lbs) and almost everyone is treating me differently. Many people didn't make eye contact with me either on the street or in shops, some were visibly unconfortable (or slightly afraid). I had remarks all the time about how big (not fat, just imposing) I was.
Now cashers smile at me, people on the street are more friendly. It's night and day and it saddens me in a way. I didn't lose weight for appearence reason but for my health, and to see for the first time how people are (were towards me) judgmental is kinda sickening.
I just though people are sometimes a bit cold but never really associated it with my weight.
They treat you like they should be treating everybody but don't.
There are a lot of factors to this. Especially if exercise was part of your routine to lose weight.
I put on weight when exercising (not all muscle, my hunger over compensated for the change in calorie use) and started noticing it was easier to talk to people, especially women.
Sure exercising might help with appearance a bit, but it wasn't drastic for. What it does help with is relieving stress, building confidence, and day to day energy, all of these changes are generally attractive and make you more approachable.
You're also probably feeling happy about losing the weight. People like being around happy people, it make them happier too, so all around a good thing!
Went from 130-100kgs(286-220lbs) over about a year so far, still trying to get lower, but it has slowed down. <_<
I personally haven't noticed a different maybe I'm not observant enough.
Congratulations on the weight loss, hope you reach your goal and feel great about your awesome progress.
I lost weight and kind of blossomed in my early 20s, but in my head I was still overweight and awkward, so when I got hit on I had absolutely no clue.
You were no longer the giant Korean!
AverageSizedKorean
It was a huge headfuck and made me a little depressed, at first.
Yes, everyone treats me much differently. I get free stuff sometimes. It's wild. And I'm still pretty weird-looking, just minus 90+ pounds, plus a bit of muscle and confidence.
I had a bi friend become really sexually aggressive. And had to rush out of a bar in ft. Lauderdale cause I was kinda SA'd. It's a mixed bag.
I'm sorry that happened to you. These things cropped up for me, too. It was like suddenly inhabiting a whole new world. Sometimes in good ways, but often not so much.
I'm not necessarily angry about the first one, the second one was pretty eye opening though, as far as being in a woman's shoes type thing.
People treated me better for the first year then it was normal. My biggest was 286lbs (129 Kilograms.). I'll never forget getting down to 168 and I felt like shit because of how little energy I had I feel a lot better at 189lbs-194lbs range but that's because I eat better and I lift weights and exercise and I'm not trying to lose weight and I didn't really use any weights going down but I did when I was trying to not feel sluggish from being too small.
That's trippy to think, I had a group of friends in my early 20's at my smallest and they were telling me to catch up but when I was an overweight teenager, I was being told to hurry up because I was big and therefore, slower.
Oh wow, catch up vs hurry up. That's an interesting one. Thank you for sharing.
I haven't been skinny since I was a child, so I can't relate. But it would feel very weird if people started noticing me more. I'd probably find it annoying, to be honest. Good job with the weight loss!
The people I knew when I was 330lbs treated me the same when I was 205lbs. Strangers might have treated me differently, but I was probably oblivious to it.
I'm back up to 263lbs, tho. And, BMI and BF% says I need to be closer to 165lbs. So, I probably never crossed any hotness threshold, if there is one. (I'm a cis male, FYI.)
What people
Congratulations!
Did you use the new drugs to lose so much?
Why does it matter?
Skinny people see being fat as a moral failure and thus losing weight through any means other than starving yourself and exercising 24/7 is unacceptable.
Meanwhile, most skinny people just eat until their full and aren't hitting the gym, it's just their default.
But, on the other hand, most fat people have lost and regained weight tons of times, so when they see someone losing weight without starving themselves and hitting the gym, they get jealous.
That's the bit people don't understand. Fat people on diets are starving and constantly uncomfortable. It's a 24/7 attack on willpower (and it doesn't magically go away when you hit goal weight). The weight will almost certainly come back, because willpower is a finite thing, and it's more and more demoralizing each time.
Skinny people don't have to think about it.
When fat people can lose weight without thinking about it, everyone else feels threatened.
It's the same reason everything else sucks. Literally everything needs to be gatekept.
Why can't education be cheaper, or loans forgiven? Because they had to suffer, and so do you.
How would it possibly be fair to somebody who died of cancer because they couldn't afford care and then someone else just gets care for free? That's not fair! They gotta pay!
Why can't we have access to abortions? Because some other dude was responsible for an unexpected pregnancy and got stuck in a loveless marriage raising a bastard they didn't want, and now you do too.
Nothing can be easier or improved as long as other people had to have it worse.
Same shit, different story. "I did it so you have to have it as bad or worse". It's jealousy, all the way down. I blame the church.
There is something to this but I might have described it differently.
Being obese is seen as a moral failure, and struggling to lose it is a virtue. Drugs are seen as a cheat because you haven't atoned for the moral failure by suffering, therefore you have not earned the right to be treated differently.
Can't be a good Christian without a little suffering and oppression.
Can you guys remove the negative filter and consider not everyone wants to belittle you hurt you or take something from you?
Have you considered the question can come empathy, interest in solutions, basic curiosity?
Nope. Unspoken side-effect of obesity.
Kind of a multi-faceted usage of the word "belittle" here, but I'll allow it.
That's a great summary, very pithy.
Yes, tho I think there's also a bit of the commerce zero-sum thinking to blame too. Like: "if my competitor gets a free advantage, that puts me at a relative disadvantage."
Dude, I am skinny and all I want is for anyone who wants it, to have the experience I have. I have biases, surely, but none against the drugs that let people with disordered eating finally experience a normal appetite, to lose the constant food noise. To enjoy eating in a healthy way, get full and forget about it until physically hungry again. I absolutely do not think most fat people are just lacking willpower or whatever - I don't need willpower to eat normally, just need to pay attention to how I feel.
Maybe because I got here from anorexic and food obsessed in the other direction, getting healthy to the point eating did not make me anxious perhaps gives some perspective. Willpower did not avail me, it just harmed my body.
I do know some people who worry about the side effects of GLPs, whether that is disguised judgemental attitude I don't know. And more who think they are just so expensive it's unequally available and bad for that reason. But not many anymore who think it's just lifestyle alone that is an acceptable way to get to a healthy weight, not after seeing people's results on those drugs.
ETA nevermind on that last paragraph - I see there is someone in this very comment thread saying it's just lifestyle.
That’s not how losing weight works. You don’t need to starve yourself, you need to stay in calorie deficit (doesn’t equal starving and you may actually feel less starved than usually if you start adding better filling food to your diet). You don’t need to workout 24/7 (generally working out is not neccessary at all), doing proper strength training will help with losing weight (because building new muscles requires a lot on energy which increases BMR) and with looking better overall. But proper strength training doesn’t require you to workout 24/7, you just need like 50 minutes 4 times a week in order to hit most of the muscle groups twice (i.e. doing upper/lower split) to keep stimulus going (which start the building of new muscle fibers which increases BMR). And strength training is nothing like weightloss show nonsense — which is «doing a gazillion reps of light weights while sweating a pool and being out of breath with pain in your muscles and having to deal with devastating recovery» — you need to lift weights with consistent techique in 3-6 rep range, 2 sets and just be close to failure during last rep of each set. It will get you needed levels of muscle stimulus, you will not experience pain while working out, it will not make you uncomfortably wet from sweating and recovery will be fast and fine.
Because they tried to lose weight like it’s goalpost via starving and working out 24/7 rather than building sustainable habits in eating and working out that will make you lose weight and stay in healthy weight range as an effect. When you don’t have those habits, you get fat.
Maybe they do. But that doesn’t really matter. A huge percent of people that lost weight with drugs like Ozempic also regain their weight in a span of two years after they stop taking it. Because none of these people actually builded healthy habits that lead to weightloss, they just took a drug that mimics a hormone of “feeling full”. And as they don’t have those habits but still remember the eating habits that they had before GLP-1 (and while taking the drug, there is no conscious change happening, so habits don’t really change, you just stop overeating due to GLP-1), they are likely to get fat again.
Weightloss is really not that hard if you don’t fall into social media bullshit and keep things rational and somewhat up to current science. People often fall for keto/carnivore/vegan¹/highreps/highcardio and other unreasonable ways to lose weight. imo the hard part is to stay consistent in calorie tracking but only for some time, after that it’s just starts being some sort of second nature and you start to eyeball stuff for calories without thinking about it.
¹Being vegan is reasonable from moral standpoint but doesn’t mean much in weightloss.
I hate to gatekeep, especially after my last comment....but how fat have you been?
Losing weight is not complicated or hard. I never said it was. I said it's a 24/7 challenge of willpower that doesn't go away when you hit target weight.
The biggest chunk of that willpower is spent against fighting the lack of (or insensitivity to) the hormone that makes them feel full in the first place...a problem that can now be countered medically.
It's not surprising, then, that when they stop taking the medicine, they start feeling hungry, and when they are hungry, they would eat.
It paints a picture that there are actual physiological barriers to losing weight...physical barriers that probably didn't mean much before the current food landscape. Now calorie-dense foods are cheap, readily available, shelf-stable, physically addicting, and completely devoid of actual nutrition.
That physically addicting part is really the worst of it. You can't just not eat. You have to succumb to hunger eventually.
Telling a fat person to lose weight is no different than telling an alcoholic to cut back to no more than 3 drinks a day, forever. Is that impossible or unreasonable, for someone else has never experienced alcoholism? Sure. Absolutely. Is it something you can realistically expect from an alcoholic? No, that's crazy...nothing against alcoholics, but we know and understand now that it's addiction and there are physiological barriers, and telling people that the cure is to just cut back is batshit insane.
Likewise, you can't just stop eating. You have to face a trigger, multiple times a day, every day. It's incredibly exhausting.
Why is keto unreasonable?
First of all, main and only principal of weightloss is calorie deficit. There is no other nonsurgical way to lose weight rather than from calorie deficit.
Now, keto is unreasonable in weightloss because it’s a low-carb diet. Lack of carbs (primary source of energy for humans) makes weightloss harder because someone on keto would feel less energetic for quite some time due to at least adaptation to said metabolic proccesses. In general, forcing organism to get energy from some less efficient and not-quite-as-good metabolic transformation is something that comes from a belief rather than reason.
I don’t mean that one can’t lose weight on keto. But it does increase discomfort during weightloss which increases the chances of giving up on it.
The CICO model describes what happened, not why it happened. There are more clinically useful models such as the carbohydrate insulin model.
We run on fat when we are born, when we sleep, when we skip a meal. Glucose is metabolized before fat because it causes damage if it lounges around. i.e. Alcohol is burned before glucose but we don't claim we are adapted to alcohol.
1-4 weeks is the typical fat adaptation period, and if people maintain their electrolytes they don't have any lower energy levels.
Less efficient is a new one to me? What is less efficient to burning fat? We store fat on the body, the entire point of weight loss is to burn fat - we should encourage people to be in a fat burning metabolism if they want to lose weight.
Belief? The data and the models make predictions people can measure themselves in a few weeks, it is very empirical.
If you know keto works, why do you call it a belief without reason?
I'll agree with you here. Staying on keto means beating carbohydrate addiction. Addiction is strong! However, it is worth the cost of admission - People should be doing keto to get healthy not to lose weight i.e. Don't lose weight to get healthy, get healthy to lose weight.
Curious and showing my interest to op's story. But apparently this is interpreted negativily.
Same reason as the title, (in)validation.
Simply curiosity, no need to look for mean reasons.
Why would it be mean? It's part of who we are, for better and worse. Shying away won't make the feeling disappear, but we can come to terms with it.
Rude.