If men gave birth, abortion clinics would be on every corner
If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, abortion clinics would be so standard they’d be on every corner, like McDonald’s. In fact, it’d be a sign of status to go to one.
Male 1: “I’m just off to the abortion clinic real quick.”
Male 2: “Oh nice, King. You’ve been busy.”
Male 1 leaves.
Male 3: “He’s so cool.”
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Did you know grey hyenas have a matriarchal society? Females are more aggressive, dominant and hold different social status to males. They aren't less horrible than patriarchal hyenas.
The problem isn't the males or the females. It's that they're hyenas.
And they give birth through a pseudo penis that is torn apart.
I don’t think it brings anything useful to the conversation, but it is an interesting fact.
This conversation is now about hyenas.
You're way behind. That's why laws approved are no longer named after what they really do. Who decides that a specific law harms a specific population? The same people approving them... So... Yeah.
Yeah but If you want empirical & objective quantification of harm, good luck.
What? No. Laws are never named after what they do, they're named HR#### or something. Acts are nicknamed, like Obamacare or the PATRIOT act, but they've always been political and not descriptive.
And the people who write the laws are not the same people who "approve" them, in theory.
Are you a hyena?
Are you not?
I don’t see hyenas oppressing one another through systems of well orchestrated indoctrination. They may just nibble each other once in a while.
You'd be surprised of how complex and rich hyena society is.
Well they do hate immigrants , so I wouldn't be so quick to assume.
If men gave birth, then nothing else would be the same.
The systems of oppression that exist were created for a reason. Evil reasons, but reasons none the less. It's not random.
There is a reason hunter/gatherer societies tend to be more egalitarian, and agricultural societies tend to be less egalitarian, and it isn't because farming turns people evil and misogynistic.
Furthermore, abortion was largely accepted until increased birthrates were required for the needs of empire. Despite the arguments being religious in nature against abortion, the original drivers for outlawing it were non-religous.
This would be such an extreme warping of reality that it’s essentially impossible to make any assumptions about what it would entail like this. You know the joke about a time traveller moving a rock? Yeah, that times a million.
This here. If men would give birth, they would be women.
So much of what makes up the differences between the male and female experiences is down to the fact that women give birth.
If it was the men who gave birth and not the women, we'd have pretty much everything we have now, just gender-reversed.
This assumes it simply reverses the roles so men give birth and women don't.
What if we all gave birth?
what if we all gave birth 👉👈
(???)
In that case, there likely wouldn't be two separate genders at all, because why would there be? Hermaphrodite species exist, and they usually just have a single gender.
*sex
sexes are not the same as genders and should not be called genders
So, basically that one Red Dwarf episode. Cool.
If men gave birth they would be called women
You're joking but maybe that's exactly the reason why men always had it easier in history. They didn't have to spend 9 months × child suffering + menstrual cycle every month
Of course there have been a few periods in history where men died in droves from wars.
Not that war usually works at well for anyone
I'm not joking, it's etymology.
That is actually incorrect. Woman comes from wifman ("man" at that time meaning "person", so "female person), not from wombman.
A person with the ability to give birth would be female.
But a “female person” has a uterus so the etymology is wrong, but the argument stands.
eh, they could also be called sth else like "childmakingman" or sth
A childmaking man is a father or daddy
Then no one would have problems getting an abortion
Yes
Why
I was thinking this for a second, but the factor that makes this true is the near monopoly on violence that men have. So, theoretically as long as they still corner of the market on violence I think this would hold true in that theoretical society
It’s not that simple and I say that as a woman. It’s about ownership of the idea that having kids is a “right” even if no one likes you enough to want to carry your genes forward, putting health and body at risk to make it so. In addition to the lifelong commitment childbearing requires.
The fact that you have to take some degree of ownership of another human being to treat childbirth this way is obscene, but here we are. Roe fell.
It’s more about entitlement. I can’t conceive of doing the same in reverse positions.
Not to mention that it's also about agency. Abortion restrictions or criminalisation is a matter of exerting control over people with a uterus.
I thought that’s what I just said. Granted, I’m only on Lemmy while winding down.
In year 2000 poll, percentage of pro-choice people was 49% among both men and women. In 2006 it was 51% for both. Since 1995 and until 2020, the difference never exceeded 8%, peaking at 20% in 2025 correlating with political polarisation, with year 2010 men responding more pro-choice than women respondents by 5% (47% vs. 42%)‡.
Partisan divide was always more influential than the gender one, with pro-choice stance being 47% less popular among republican women than among democratic women; 42% gap for R/D men in 2020–2021 poll‡. If cisgender men could give birth, it wouldn't have more influence on their abortion stance than overall political beliefs.
‡ Gender Gaps on Abortion Reach Historic Highs | Gallup, June 2025
What is up with Lemmy, men and pregnancy??
Did I miss the new meta?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/69748408
Someone is running a propaganda campaign, most likely. Shaping hearts and minds.
I was thinking the same thing. First something about moths(I don't really get what that was about), then Loss, now this. What's next?
Luigi board? /j
idiots tend to propagate stupid ideas because it makes them feel smart.
it's not like this 'if men got pregnant' line of thinking is anything new, it's been around since forever.
Boynecologist and boybortion should be Guynecologist and aboytion.
Just saying.
I want a transexual goth girlfriend…
No, there wouldn't be.
The policy would be the same, because the issue of abortion makes the two ruling parties way too much money to make it worth legalizing or banning completely. Hell, when the leak of the Roe repeal occurred, Democrats raked in $80,000,000 alone. A cool $80,000,000 and all they had to do was pretend to care about abortion by making a tweet or something.
OP is incorrect.
You never see legislation on condoms.
Just birth control.
When it's a man's choice it's uncontested.
But a woman shouldn't have the same autonomy.
The Republic of Ireland wants to speak to you.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0328/1504412-ireland-contraception-condoms-access-history-politics-society/
Welp
Not here but in Africa the Catholic Church pushed for total bans on birth control, condoms included, official in some places and socially in others. The result was huge spikes in HIV across swaths of Africa.
Also don't be surprised if there is eventually a ban on all both control, not because of actual theocratic desire, but because billionaires don't want us to have any. Deep down they know LLMs will not lead to AI powerful enough to replace all workers, like they were hoping for a few years back, so they know they need human slaves. They use evangelical idiocy to spur up theocratic chuds and convince the masses, they're one of them. But these assholes have no set ethics or morals, good or bad, just greed and powerlust.
I bet they are planning all sorts of ways to force us to have future slaves for them. Not saying it will work, I think population decline is unavoidable and not that bad tbh, but they will absolutely try.
I know project 2025 has plans for forcing teenage girls to have pregnancy.
Which is illogical even by their standards as babies more likely to be still born and premature from teenage mothers. And pregnant teen girls more likely to have complications resulting in death and permanent sterility.
We gotta get rid of these insane psychopaths before they destroy the planet and everything on it.
Condoms are balloons that just fit your penis, lol. Jk. This world is f-d up.
If men could give birth everyone would tell them to man the fuck up and deal with it.
Polling suggests that around 70% of women and 50% of men support abortion, though. If those stats simply reversed then nothing really changes.
Please. Men vastly outnumber women in the legislature. If those numbers flipped there would be DRASTIC change.
Assuming a ~20% shift towards pro-choice opinions I would expect more pro-choice laws, not an orgy of casual abortions.
Stop doing drugs
Working people of all genders are not getting paid enough.
This is 100% true and factual.
If men bore the children then women would have to do the sexual pursuing. The human race would quickly die out.
I wonder if maybe women would have more time and energy to do the actual pursuing then, instead of being sidelined, oppressed, saddled with the labor of care work which is necessary for the continuation of the human race. Are you saying birthing men wouldn’t take on that care work?
Dude, this is older than you. It's older than me.
Old Tshirt/poster slogan I remember from the 1990’s
I went to a pro-choice march in my city and made a sign that said
"If men could get pregnant
You'd get abortions
With your oil change"
And I feel like that makes about the same point. Men wouldn't tolerate carrying an unwanted pregnancy if men had to deal with pregnancy.
That’s a good quote. Maybe it was rolling around somewhere in my subconscious.
ETA: or maybe I am the cab driver mentioned in the article.
Clearly, we have to genetically modify all men to be hyenas, so that they can experience the Miracle of Life through their dicks. /S.
men have the anti-mullerien hormone from the Y chromosone to stop female secondary characteristics during fetal development. rarely there are disorders that prevent that gene from activating or it goes missing and they develop as a female, minus having the extra biological X CHromosone.
Androgen insensitivity syndrome is fascinating. Plenty of people with it grow up female and have no idea their genes are different, until they reached puberty and never get their period.
I need to know more about this.
Wish granted, courtesy of Casual Geographic.
Wow real life futas, also that is fucked up.
If males gave birth then it would be females that competed for access to us and became physically stronger than males. The only thing that would change is the name of the physically and politically powerful gender.
It wouldn't make society better. Hyenas have bigger stronger dominant females and they have no utopia. Seahorse males give birth, they are the more maternal, females cheat on them.
Only fundamental difference between male and female is size and motility of sex cells. Only reason animals like us vary in size and strength is due to difference in offspring investment strategies.
if both sexes were hermaphroditic, then there would be less conflict as in other animals whom posesses both sexes gonads.
If males were going pregnant they'd be females
All this post proves is that people have no fucking clue what abortion entails
How so?
Having been present for an abortion please do tell.
If men got their periods we’d have a shop vac attachment that got rid of it in a few seconds.
ok so i might be wrong here, but abortions can be safely and reliably carried out with pills, right?
and it's very difficult to actually check every package and letter that is sent whether it contains illegal pills. at least that's my guess. so would it be possible to buy abortion pills from the netherlands, the same way that one can buy drugs?
Correct, but depending on legislation the punishment might be so high that the risk is not worth it for many people.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Men can get pregnant if we want to get technical.
And I dare to venture a guess that trans men who get pregnant likely have much more shit to deal with than cis women.
There would be tactical coat hangers with camouflage paint for the DIY guys who like to work in their garages.
If there are clinics, coat hangers wouldn’t be needed.
The only reason women resort to inserting coat hangers into their uterus and endangering their lives is because of lack of access to healthcare. It’s not like a fun activity to do with your girlfriends.
Yeah but there's plenty of hicks who would gladly shove a coat hanger in their urethra (I'm assuming that's how this would work) before seeing some liberal doctor who is probably gonna sneak in a vaccine or something.
there are autoshops and furniture stores as well, doesn't stop men from buying tools and working on their garages themselves
Yeah, working on a garage and inserting a metal rod into yourself and bleeding to death is certainly equivalent.
Since I have to explain, we are talking about a fantasy world were men get pregnant and get abortions like it was nothing, and I'm building on the "tactical" marketing that they make stuff look military to sell to men so they can feel more manly (example: https://tacticalbabygear.com/)... I'm not talking about why women would resort to it in the real world, I'm making a joke about why men would resort to it in that fantasy world, and if you didn't like the joke just call it stupid and move on instead of playing dumb
I’m not playing dumb. Your joke doesn’t work in this world the joke setup and you’re directly joking about a way that women die. OP is joking about abortions being accessible which doesn’t carry the same morbidity.
I just take an issue with how you’re punching down with your joke.
Punching down... capitalism for finding the most morbid ways to get profits (selling "tactical coat hangers" for unsafe abortions) and toxic men culture that ties manliness to caricatures (you can't change your tires yourself? can't change your oil? can't fix the roof? can't use power tools? can't do it yourself? you are not a man then)... ok...
The joke is intentionally morbid, though, so I suggest you just block me to avoid seeing more of this in the future.
Nah I rather be witness to the type of careless and poorly crafted humor men enjoy these days. It’s best not to stay in the dark on that kind of thing.
At the barbecue, flipping burgers, one of the guys comes over with his phone, “Look at the size of this one I got out”, and flaunts about his new torque tools.
Cool angle, but it breaks down biologically.
Obviously 🤣
Is it a hostility to some essential concept of women, or a way to devalue reproduction caring and domestic labor? Which force is stronger, more original?
Sexism is the strongest of all oppression. It is the most common, widespread, and ignored of all oppression and causes a huge amount of human suffering.
When women are dehumanized it usually relies on the prejudices that have been developed and reinforced through culture. So I think the essential concept is the driving force.
The devaluing of domestic labor is a side effect of a class of people without rights viewed as property.
No, but they (we) would be more careful about contraception.
technically they can give birth under unusual circumstances.
If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, well then all things but the one would be the same. Because it clearly says that all things, besides the one, would be the same.
True.
We would just have hysterectomies. Why the fuck would we want such a disadvantage?
Believe it or not, there are some men who want kids.
The post did not state that men no longer had penises and were incapable of inseminating others.
Most likely. Let's make it happen!
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
If all things were the same, but it was men who fell pregnant and gave birth, all things would be different.
https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm -- ANYTHING less is denying the personhood of anyone that can get pregnant.
I kind of think there should be a constitutional amendment preventing legislatures from passing laws restricting the rights on a protected class. Like men can't vote on laws which take rights away from women. Or straight people can't pass laws banning LGBTQ material.
Who gets to vote on what's a protected class?
That's fair, maybe of a different demographic (race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc.. ) is better.
So non cult people can't pass laws to ban a cult
Oh but this law that removed rights to free speech and voting from women is not actually about removing any rights, it's about protecting them from domestic violence!
LOL, how do you suppose the protected class will fare if the provider class stops participating as a result?
Straight men can't vote on laws for women and LGBTQ people? Sure, then straight men will also refuse to extend public safety protections and social security nets they provide from their effort to the women and queer. How would that hold?
An interesting idea.
Maybe a whole host of homophobes would pretend to be gay to vote against something, but then realise they actually like this little “pretend” thing. They’d commit to it.
Personally know one of those racist homophobes that wants to get railed by a black dude, so....yeah.
Shame women don't have the same drive and ingenuity
That wasn’t my point. My point was that the world is run by men. Policymakers and politicians are, in general, men. And since abortion is about giving women freedom over their bodies and life decisions, (most) men don’t allow that. Therefore there’s a very unfair disconnect. My point was that if men were the target of anti-abortion policies, then such policies would by and large not exist.
ETA: As another commenter pointed out, perhaps statistically most men are pro-choice, but unfortunately in general the backwards few who go into and succeed in politics are the ones who make the call.