Spyke
mander.xyz

Professionally? No

As a family member or friend? Yes

As a member of society? Barely

What's the context of your question?

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

The point of asking a somewhat general question is that you can answer and interpret it how you like and experience responses you wouldn't expect.

Which is what I got from you. By asking one question.

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Mothrareply
mander.xyz

The mention of AI as an introduction suggests you may have a specific context in mind. If the question is so general, you don't need to give irrelevant information. Asking "do you feel valued?" is enough, and the absence of context becomes obvious.

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Then you answered incorrectly. Maybe you should have focused your response on that rather than ranting about OP post.

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As a retired person: no, apart from by other retired people in the village, because we help each other out with our different skill-sets.

We still have a few friends but they are scattered; we meet mostly at funerals.

Politicians think we're too expensive (healthcare, pensions, etc.) although they're careful not to be too nasty, as apparently we vote more than other demographics. The fascists think we might vote for them (not a chance).

The young are busy with their own lives as they should be and so we are mostly seen as an inconvenience or, at best, a future inheritance. I'm fine with this: they've got it tough and we help where we can.

The AI crowd know we're too old for that shit (we remember all the bubbles). We don't buy much stuff either, so the capitalists and advertisers aren't happy with us. The pub likes us but wishes we'd visit more often. The fund managers are going off us as our pension funds dwindle. I think the lady in the corner shop has a good opinion of us, although she thinks I buy too much beer.

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Valued by my friends and family? Yes, very much so!

Value by society? No, not so much, but it's mutual.

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lemmy.world

No.

I can't find sustainable work. I don't have a romantic partner. I'm old and now facing bleak years left on Earth.

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Im young ish, but yeah. No one values me outside of my parents and siblings.

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lemmy.zip

I'm staunchly anti gen ai. Yesterday, while I was 12 hours into a terribly paid illustration work, I had the sad realization that this really could have been over, and better than I could ever do in 5 minutes with a couple of fucking ai prompts. I nearly broke down crying. I guess I 'm just not seeing value in myself anymore. Maybe I'm just sad and stupid today. Idk ... Sigh.

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lemmy.world

I don’t understand. If your work can be done quickly and well with a tool (AI), why don’t you use that tool and be done with your work quickly? Why does your heart break?

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I'm a translator, so different type of gen ai but also heavily impacted. Here's the thing, I enjoy translating with my brain and soul, finding nicely written stuff. Ai is flat, idiotic, makes mistakes but wrapped in a believable enough package that it's hard to spot the errors.

So instead of spending an hour translating, I would spend ten minutes translating, then a random amount of time proofreading and looking for hidden mistakes, find stupid sentences translated as is or even sometimes saying the opposite of what it should be, and then spent a huge cognitive load on fixing that without breaking the barely good enough rest of text.

It's usually not faster, or not by much, but it sucked all the pleasure out of the job by making me do another type of task.

Oh and the rates for ai translation is not even half that of human translation.

I personally chose to shut the business because I really wasn't a translator anymore and was earning less anyway.

Even if it were faster, this isn't the cognitive task I learned and enjoyed, this isn't my craft and there is no pride in fixing shit from Large lying models. So your days feel pointless like a hamster on a wheel. No amount of money would fix that and as I said it doesn't pay well anyway.

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Im not op, but personally because AI is built on theft. As a creative i cant justify stealing to make my job easier. I know others are doing it but "if i dont steal it, someone else will" is bonkers reasoning

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piefed.social

Not at all. I'm pretty sure, if I died now, it would take a few months for anyone to notice anything.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

I can't promise to miss you viscerally but I am pretty sure the rest of the universe would.

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piefed.social

I don't see how lol.

I mean, I haven't had any contact with anybody in 4 months now. Other than the checkout person in the local shop. And I'm sure they wouldn't care if I stopped going there.

Anyway, this is not a "woe is me" thing, I'm completely fine with this. I much prefer to be left alone lol.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

And yet, you responded to this. What's going on with you? Why do you think you are not valued? I value you.

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piefed.social

Yeah, you value me because I answered your question. The question was "do you feel valued" and no, I don't feel valued because I answered your question.

I don't feel valued because I bring no value to anyone in my life. Internet strangers asking questions do not count into that lol

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skulblakareply
sh.itjust.works

I don't feel valued because I bring no value to anyone in my life. Internet strangers asking questions do not count into that lol

Well, sure it does. That's the reason we're all here, isn't it? Maybe not for you in particular, but for the Lemmy community. Internet strangers asking questions that you then answer and spark discussion is kind of THE value that any of us bring to this place. People asking questions and having discussions and sharing their own perspectives and life experiences is like, 80% of the whole internet. It's what brought us into the global awareness that we have today.

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jayciferreply
lemmy.world

That sucks. What’s something that to you would feel valuable to do?

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piefed.social

Anything, really. Work or whatever. But the crippling depression and anxiety disorder etc sort of gets in the way of all that.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

I gotta admit to one particular nightmare here

Setting up a home gym in my garage to hopefully remove my excuses ….. but years back an acquaintance died while using his home gym in his garage, and was discovered by family. You don’t usually think of exercise as a deadly risk but it happens. Since I live alone, the nightmare is it would be a long time before I was discovered and that much more traumatic if it were family

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piefed.social

Well theres a easy solution for that. Don't get any of those pulley machine things. Just hand weights and a pull up bar. You don't even really need anything else. Those machines are a waste of money.

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Yeah none of that, but one of my kids is a pretty serious weightlifter, so I need some serious equipment for when they’re home from school for the summer.

And an exercycle for cardio when the weather isn’t good

Started with the cycle: a high end machine for dirt cheap off Marketplace. Then dumbbells (except they’re only up to 30 lbs and he uses higher). Most recently found a deal on an Olympic bar and plates. Now comes the hard part: benches and racks, and I’m running out of time to find them on Marketplace

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lemmy.world

Yes, outside of social media. I love my job, my friends, family and just try to enjoy my life.

But, then I use social media like Facebook or Instagram and the algorithm is really hardcore pushing the "AI is taking over engineering is dead!!" narrative. As an engineer that makes me feel terrible/not valued, even though I know it's not true.

I basically just stopped using social media outside of this and reddit.

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But, then I use social media like Facebook or Instagram and the algorithm is really hardcore pushing the “AI is taking over engineering is dead!!” narrative.

Ah, thanks. I had no idea what OP was talking about.

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I don't really miss social media. Lemmy is the only thing I would even consider social media. I've moved all of my family over to Signal and we don't talk much. Which is fine. We exist as a family across all time zones at times.

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I am working to build queer community in my Southern red state. It's hard, and everyone wants more from me than I can deliver. Trying to help a volunteer write a grant proposal. Trying to keep my shit together. Trying to move a thousand small boulders up a thousand small hills.

I do feel valued when I see my son, and he comes running up to me, and gives me a huge hug, which will happen tonight.

But I am also terribly lonely, and it's the kind where plenty of people are around me, but I am still lonely, because I am not able to be open and authentic to them. They want a leader . Being vulnerable has caused problems with that.

Every once in a while I can buy a bag of weed and then, for a while, none of it matters and I can just roll the boulders all day.

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I only feel valued by my friends and family. My job doesn't make me feel valued, nor does society. Without my family, I'd struggle to find reasons to go on.

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lemmy.zip

I feel like the most worthless person in the world, generally and almost all of the time. Consequence of not getting along well with others plus not being hardworking enough to achieve anything.

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You're here though

You reached my brain

That amounted to a thing, in milliseconds I've reflected speculated emphasized and replied

If that seems worthless it's the eye of the beholder not the sentiment that's invalid

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absolutely not. I have been out of work for close to two years. I feel unvalued. I feel like my education and experience is unvalued. I feel my society is saying. You should not contribute. We don't want it. I feel its saying we do everything in a super automated low effort way but you should distinguish yourself but doing a bunch of manual things to make up for anything our automated systems does not do properly which is kinda everything. You should work very hard to prove your work should be compensated.

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For sure. Mostly from friends and family, but also in the things I do and the projects I accomplish. It's a wonderful life.

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I think it is sort of sad that people took this as "valued by your employer". Not sad for them specifically, but for the state of things. I am sure y'all are valued by your friends and family.

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lemmy.world

Literally watching a presentation right now where they quoted “Use AI intentionally, not as the only answer”

On the other hand my human knowledge is invalidated because my kpis focus more on how frequently I use ai than on what I do

In my real life, also mostly no. My kids are in college, so they mostly need their bills paid and I rarely see them in person

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lemmy.ml

I will flip your question. All this AI none sense has made me value people more.

I value human musicians with passion and new interesting sounds; I value human visual artists and what they add to our graphical landscape I value journalists and just people putting themselves out there to share their honest opinion in a world so overtaken by propaganda and information wars; I value people who are trying to learn and teach new things, that want to do research and make sense of the world. And I value disagreeing and getting mad at people and saying dumb shit and doing dumb shit and realizing i have areas where i need to work on and improve myself. I value humans, and i wont waste my time on AI or LLM's

I don't really care if I'm valued, and i don't care about systems of values, i barely have time to make and experience.

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I don't see the question flip. I value you. You are clearly intelligent. Tell me more about you and what is going on.

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Mac
mander.xyz

No

I feel like a mote of dust waiting to be vacuumed.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

If you were indeed a mote of dust when you got vacuumed what would happen? Fast forward to the end of time. Would it be any different than what anyone else on this planet is going to experience?

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For me the result makes no difference, but it's more that there's no living and there's very little to do about it other than escapism (so, still nothing).

Them Bones by Alice in Chains comes to mind.

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I'd say yes. I worked hard to be "that person" that people like and can trust and they know I'm knowledgeable in a lot of subjects. They can call me to ask questions anytime. They borrow my cars and tools. They dont take advantage of me though. Actually I wish they'd ask for help more often because I have a lot of things and skills to offer.

Mainly I just always wanted to be likeable. I don't enjoy being mean.

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infosec.pub

What makes you feel valued?

...and is that something that can be delivered remotely, through a screen?


I ask this not because I necessarily want or expect a specific answer, but because everyone who reads my comment should stop and spend a few minutes considering what the answer is for them personally.

And then think about what you think the answer might be for other people in your life, and what makes them feel valued.

What can you do, to make that happen more often for yourself, and for others? Personally, I think nothing is quite as rewarding as making someone else feel valued.

Talk to your family. Talk to your friends. They want to hear from you, even if they're busy.

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I must say. Thank you for your reasoned and reasonable response.

I love you for who you are internet stranger. You made my day a little brighter. And I will pass it on. I am in far too frequent contact with all those I love and hold dear. I'll take your implicit consent and spread the love to them too.

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lemmy.world

Depends on the human.

Work? No

Wife? Yes
Baby? Who knows what goes on in those things.
Rest of the family? Quite likely.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

I like a 3 character response. But I want more. Why do you like yourself?

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I hate myself, but I perceive that I'm valuable to others. Of course it comes through the chain of thoughts that includes parts such as they are wrong and that I only create the very need I fulfill, but still

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Yeah, the wife's excited every time I come home. Also my friends insist on going out of their ways for me and actively putting in effort to spend time with me. I'm surrounded by love and appreciation

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lemmy.world

Generally, yes. I spent years of quite a bit of effort to only surround myself with people who treat me as an equal & share my general values. I have to turn my brain off during serving-the-capitalists hours though.

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I hope that you don't have to serve the capitalists as long as you think you need to.

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Yes. My company is trying to retain its workers and treats us very well, but also expects the best of us. I'm more than happy to do my job to the best of my ability in a (gasp) inclusive environment that celebrates diversity and goes out of its way to do so.

We also use AI as part of our job, but management has made it very clear that they won't (and can't) replace its human talent. They also seem to know what it can and cannot do and I appreciate that.

Outside of that, jeez, it's hard to tell. Life's a bit rough everywhere.

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lemmy.world

My answer has nothing to do with ai, but.. no.

And that's okay.

There are things worse than being invisible. Like being stuck with a bunch of crackheads, for example.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

I value you, even when no one else does. I know that doesn't mean much from an internet stranger. Nevertheless I am putting in the effort to tell you that I value you.

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chunesreply
lemmy.world

Thanks.

Another way to frame "do you feel valued" is "do others find you useful?" I can report with confidence that no landlord or capitalist finds me useful and I take pride in that.

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Huh. I never thought about the other way to interpret that simple question.

Thank you for turning that around. I feel the value of you being smart enough to think of that.

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Yea, all around.

Though I don't know if it will last, but I hope it does. I'm a bit fortunate and priviledged tbh...

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Idk i don't think feeling "valued" is what it's about. If you mean by that, what price tag my employer puts on me, and how much money they're willing to pay me, well idk.

Is life really about being valued? By who? And who are they valued by, in turn? Is it all a big circle jerk? Where does value come from?

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sh.itjust.works

Yes, I feel valued. These are hard times, I’m worried for me, my family - due to climate collapse, war, the breakdown of democracy. Yet, I have decided to help people in developing countries and locally as a pro-bono coach, and I’ve become politically active. The response shows that people value me; my opinions amd my support.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

Thank you for what you are doing. I also contribute in my own way that I'm not going to describe in detail.

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Yeah I do. My girlfriend really appreciates me and we have a calm life. Thats all I need really.

But if you mean valued by corporations, I guess not. A job is just a job, and I only work if I have to. I have worked for 25 years though and collected money.

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quokk.au

Sure. AI hasn't really encroached on anything that makes me feel valued.

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Crackhappyreply
lemmy.world

Interesting thought. Do you think that you can be boiled down to a simple number?

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remonreply
ani.social

I do and It's already happening. I don't like it, though.

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Understood and underrated. As you are. I won't assign you a number other than over 9000. vegeta

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From one human to another, yes I feel valued within my family. Beyond that? Not so much.

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My wife and I were talking about this earlier. It is the entire reason I asked this question in the first place.

Both of us have trouble believing in the value of each other. Despite having committed to our lifetimes together. Commiserating personally and intimately, it was eye opening.

Knowing that someone as self -assured as I am still have doubts about myself, I hope you can feel that I understand and I would like to extend my love to you. Even though I don't know you.

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Not particularly, at least not by anyone other than my wife. She thinks I’m pretty great, and I just don’t see it. I think I’m pretty average and unremarkable, and the world will just keep moving along without me once I’m gone. Takes the pressure off a bit, tbh, because it makes the stakes pretty low. If no one values what you provide, then it doesn’t really matter if you meet their expectations or not.

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