Former Trump official admits that their goal is to impose their Christian values on other Americans - LGBTQ Nation
“This is how we should order our lives together,” he said. “And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but this is good and right and just if it lines up with God’s standards, and I am going to enforce my morality on you in as much as our morality is God’s morality.”
“You should always check yourselves,” he continued. “Do I believe what God believes? Am I defending what God says is good?”
“And if it is, then you should have the courage to say, ‘This is how we’re going to run our town, this is how we’re going to run our county, this is how we’re going to run our state, and this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.'”
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You mean their made up fake Christian values. If an actual Christian saw what these creeps consider Christian values, they'd be very upset. Pretty sure infidelity, bribery, cheating, fraud, name calling, mockery, gambling, false worship, casting out of strangers and all the rest is exactly contradictory to the book they claim to hold in reverence.
All Christian values are made up, bruh. But I get your point.
All values are made up. And it shows us who we are.
No, there are.
The "teachings of Jesus" seem just fine: stuff like love thy neighbour no matter what (aka don't hate minorities), let the one without sins throw rocks first (aka don't judge), throwing a tantrum at money changers (aka communist).
If only Christians looked up to the one and only character they literally believe is God in human form and try following his actions.
But alas, those Christians are "Christians", and most know more abot the teachings of Thomas Aquinas than Jesus Christ.
Alas, there are no true scotsmen
Needs to be renamed to "no true Christian" at this point
At what point is something considered an entirely different belief system though?
Part of why there are so many different sects of Christianity is because belief systems can differ quite a lot on what the focus is for followers of the faith.
Even Mormons are considered Christian, but many Christians would put them in their own category since they have an entirely different holy book that they follow.
Maybe it comes back to the word for ‘Christian’ being this less meaningful, all encompassing, definition. In which case, I feel there’s an argument to be made that having at least some other way to show distinction matters, whether that’s a new word or phrase entirely.
For the sake of conversation though, I feel there is some utility in using the word we are already familiar with, in this case ‘Christian’, and making a compelling definition, in the context of the conversation, based on the values echoed in the text. I feel that we can still hold the general understanding that this is a narrow definition, but it’s one made based on those values that we may want to see encouraged.
TL;DR: It’s difficult to have a conversation about any group of people that is made up of a wide assortment of people from different walks of life.
That's really only true for undefined terms. If I'm scientifically determined to be diabetic, but I say I'm not because I define "diabetes" differently than the medical community at-large, my pancreas still can't produce insulin. Christians, by every accepted definition, follow the teachings of "Jesus Christ," hence the name. If any can demonstrably be shown to go directly against those teachings, I'd say the argument that they're not Christian is pretty solid. It's only when the claims are defined in non-universally accepted terms that the fallacy exists. Like, "No true Scotsman brushes their bottom teeth before brushing their top teeth," is obviously not a true statement, but "All true Scotsman have a non-zero amount of 'Scottish blood,'" is acceptably true as long as "amount of Scottish blood" is actually a determinable value.
I would have gone with RINO, but I get ya. When is a thing not a thing it claims to be though? What's that thingy called, because it's this.
These xtianists don't really seem to give a fuck about the Sermon on the Mount very much.
Don't forget child rape and murder
Well, this is the Bible... Didn't want to get too specific, but there is a little bit of child rape and murder in that book...
As opposed to the traditional catholic values of murdering brown people, burning apostates, progroming Jews, policing every aspect of sexuality, and most importantly enforcing a rigid belief in social hierarchy and the divine rights of nobility?
“Sharia law” by any other name.
Sharia Law permits abortions in some cases.
I remember a particular asshat on DP forums that would try to get me booted all the time, and always crying that there is no such thing as xtian Shariah Law and that calling xtianists talibangelicals was so very unfair and so mean, and oh my god, the civility of it all!
The xtianists definitely have Shariah Law even if, sure, they don't call it that, duh.
Other than the days they worship and a few other differences about ritual and so on, explain the difference between backward dumbasses of the fundamentalist stripe of either of these Abrahamic religions?
Both groups ache to subjugate women and murder infidels and gays, etc.
Why would Obama do this?
Christian? They are a fucking pedophilic ring.
I mean, the Bible doesn't say it's against that.
The ironic part is that the one section of the new testament they claim is against gay people is very likely condemning the act of sleeping with child slaves, using a Greek word which has been otherwise lost to history.
At this point I have to believe that it's a core tenet of the bible.
So someone else commented a long time ago that in america the age of marriage was 7 years old because thats how old someone is when they truly understand what sin is per the Bible.
No idea if true but seems legit ppl would use the Bible to promote this behavior.
In times like this we must remember what the Bible says about things like marriage: One man, one hundred women.
Also, selling daughters, because they're property! Like slavery, which is also totally fine.
The bible also says it's just to stomp in the heads of your enemies' infants, as long as sky-daddy tells you so as a voice in your head :)
Yup. They may be more Christian than we realized.
If they followed the teachings of Jesus I might not mind so much.
— an atheist
EVERYONE MUST LIVE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AND KILL ANYONE DIFFERENT -Jesus of Nazareth, probably
-someone who never read the Bible and probably cant read in first place
Yeah, I'm not religious but I know enough to know "don't be a dick to immigrants/foreigners/travelers" is arguably one of the most consistent messages in the Bible and they've definitely pretty well screwed the pooch on that one.
Y'all Qaeda.
I have rarely seen a nation further from "christian values" than the United States at this moment.
Your god deserves to be skull fucked to death. Along with your neo nazi Christian subsect.
Bullshit. Trump or his officials are not Christians. Dictator is cosplaying as christian but is secretly the anti christ
Only look like 80 years but gonna real, I didnt think the anti christ would be soo like obvious about it. Humanity had such a low bar to overcome.
Christianity has been used to control people for as long as it existed.
Stop this Obama-era "they go low, we go high" bullshit! It didn't even work in those days, it's just Mitt Romney was both a charisma vacuum, and unlike Trump didn't hide his theocratic ambitions under multiple layers of post-irony.
All this "they're not real christians" bullshit led to is the disappearance of religious criticism, and the right immediately hijacking every talking points on what a "good christian" should look like, to further push their theocratic fascism. Secularism? Now it's a radical christian ideology, because "Obama likes his neighbor", so we have to accept theocratic fascism, because coMmON SeNsE. At worst this is being pushed so much into the extremes, that nowadays people think christianity was the first (!) religion to outlaw murder, pedophilia, etc.
Are islamist terrorists "fake muslims", who probably get drunk every day? Are the hindu extremists of India "fake hindus" for being awful to the muslim population? Was Stalin a "fake atheist" for persecuting the church? FUCK NO! All you're doing is giving an excuse to religious extremists by excluding them from religion the moment they're not adhering to the model religious person stereotype, so the next generation of them can continue the same fucking bullshit, all because "good christian Obama liked his muslim and atheist neighbor", and we continue handling the power of irrationalism to theocratic fascists in the hopes of a second Obama.
He's right, though. Nothing about what they're doing is even remotely Christian. They've been claiming abortion as their central tenet of Christianity, but the bible doesn't condemn that even once. The bible does tell us thousands of times to help the poor, feed the hungry, etc., but they are strongly against that and see the poor as deserving of that poverty. There are dozens of aspects where they go out of their way to miss the point of Christianity and preach the polar opposite.
They only hijack Christianity as a conservative identity to rally around in order to bind voters to their fundamentally anti-christian cause. Religion to them is a tool for social control, not about honest faith.
And repeating that is important to free believers who fell for their lies. If you allow them to own the label "christian", you allow them to continue to fool people into supporting them. We have to unmask them, show them for who they really are.
"We must allow a theocrat to rise to power, because what if there would be a theocrat that would use my interpretation of christianity, which is about kindness and good things, would rise to power?"🤡
For every "love thy neighbor" quote, there's a quote about violent conversion. For every "pedos must be thrown into the river with a stone tied to them", there's a "menstrual marriage". And while the "turn the other cheek" sounds nice out of context, it was about slaves. These theocrats see you as their literal slaves (!), and I've seen my fair share of alt right shitheads using the full quote to justify their tactic of "we go low, you go high", and then to mock the people who fall for them.
I don't know where you got that naive quote, but I completely disagree with that. Theocracy corrupts both religion and politics, and it's important that people see that. They lie and pervert, and that needs to be exposed.
And one vital step in that is to expose their lies, undermine the base they have mislead into supporting them. Don't allow them to keep that.
CHRISTIANS HAVE STOOD FOR BIGOTRY, FOR REGRESSION, FOR KINGS FOR TWO MILLENNIA . EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS A BAD PERSON AND A SUPREMACIST PIECE OF SHIT. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE LESS MORAL THAN NAZIS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EVEN TAKE THEIR EVIL ONTO THE THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE, BUT INVENT A FASCIST SEXIST BIGOT OVERLORD WHO REJOICES WHEN THEY SLAUGHTER CHILDREN.
The bible doesnt command us to feed the hungry or care for the poor thousands of times. There a handful of times in the new testament where it does so, but pretending the bible is this spotless pro-humanity text is at best ignorant and at worst misinformation.
Someone counted it. Apparently it's over 2000 times for helping the poor, and a maximum of 5 times "gay is bad" and in several of those that interpretation is questionable. Zero condemnations of abortions.
The book of Amos starts with God saying he doesn't want Israel's prayers and sacrifices because they don't take care of the poor. It is the primary theme across the entire bible.
I'm not denying there are some questionable parts, but nothing in there is repeated as often as this. Well, maybe praising God.
Forgive me for not taking "someone counted it" as a citation.
And its absolutely not the primary theme of the bible, that is supplication to god in all things.
Saying "starts with" when it doesnt appear until half way into the second chapter is fascinating. Amos is a short book, we're nearly a quarter of the way through it before the needy are mentioned.
And even then its not "give to the needy". Its "dont sell the needy for money". Did you read Amos before mentioning it?
Maybe I'm remembering it in a more condensed form, but Amos mentions mistreatment of the poor several times as reason for the punishment. But what stuck out to me is that all the religious services, songs, offerings etc become worthless in light of their sins, and that it's the country as a whole that's held accountable for this. Conservatives sometimes justify their inhuman policies by claiming it's an individual responsibility to help the poor, and not something for the government to concern itself with, but here it's the country as a whole that's held responsible for it.
And it's not just about selling the poor into slavery, it also mentions taxing the poor, justice for the poor, and corruption. I recall there being explicit mention of feeding widows and orphans, but I can't find that right now.
The one citation you did give me turned out to be false... I will need actual chapter and verse references before I believe you on any other bible claims.
If you read revelations it pretty much describes Trump(as the antichrist).
They're absolutely christian. Its just Christianity has many flavours of evil assholes.
It is not such a secret.
I feel obligated to call it out lest stupid people believe their lies. Silence means compliance
Theocracies must die.
Amen
That's because you invented your idea of God to match your own prejudices.
Humans have beliefs and opinions. If you think that which creates and sustains the universe has beliefs and opinions, it strongly suggests you're overly likening it to yourself. Once again, you're projecting your own prejudices.
Just another case of assholes inventing God in their own image and claiming it went the other way round.
If these guys were going to impose, say, the Quaker interpretation of "the" Bible on America, I might not mind quite so much.
But no, these jerkoffs always take up the most ridiculously hateful and tyrannical version of xtianity that conservatives can find. It's the most hateful version they can find to validate all their preconceived notions of morality.
Kinda weird how that works - people with a decent set of morality join up with things like Quakers, or the UUs, or something like that.
People with extreme conservative views join up with the militaristic groups that want to back Israel in order to bring about their end of the world fantasies.
It's almost like they treat "the" bible like a Rorschach blot, and that's if they've even read the thing.
What did Jesus have to say about immigrants?
What did Jesus have to say about taxes?
What did Jesus have to say about retaliation?
What did Jesus have to say about money and what should be done with it if you have it?
What did Jesus say you should do with everything you own?
Jesus was a Communist. Own nothing. Share everything.
They are modern-day pharisees.
Yeah, my question for this was "WHAT Christian values", because if they were going to push the fundamental teachings of Jesus I'd actually be ok with that. What they really mean though, is to hang crosses and Bibles in every school and then watch the government speed run breaking every one of the 10 commandments, never mind the teachings of JC.
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot
When is someone going to get fed up enough and [ Removed by Reddit ] ?
I think you're confused about which website we're on. We're on Lemmy here. This is a higher class of website. So, the question you should be asking:
I expect it'll be when one of the writing class gets chronic pain or a death sentence diagnosis that could've been prevented if healthcare didn't suck.
Not unlike Luigi is accused, except he's innocent.
Unironically how these people read that list:
Read: the poor in spirit die first.
Read: We will kill those who mourn
Read: Once the greenhouse gasses are no longer tolerable. We going to Mars, suckas
Read: killing those who oppose me is what is righteous.
Read: we don't even bully the Mexican guy on our squad, he's pretty cool guy
Read: white
Read: kill those who oppose you until there is no more opposition and you will become Jesus.
Read: God needs me to kill ANTIFA
Read: you have my permission to kill the infidels.
Read: don't question your mission. You and all your pedo friends can fuck teenage girls or something, after you die for this cause.
...yep. those are them alright.
So, they're the pharisees?
This guy is an Atheist, running a scam, as are MOST religious leaders. They absolutely do not believe in God, or any kind of an afterlife, because if they did, they would NEVER support the obviously heinous behavior of MAGA. They would be too defensive of their immortal soul. The fact that they are jumping in with full support of MAGA's obviously, cartoonishly evil agenda, proves who they really are.
Religion is a business, and should be treated like one. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives churches some special benefit. In fact, it literally says that the government should not be supporting any religion. So why does the government support religion by making it tax exempt?
EVERY church should be investigated, and most should be abolished as illegal tax avoidance scams. The rest should be heavily taxed, with the tax revenue earmarked for the public good, not military or law enforcement in any way. It should ALL go into the fund for Social Safety Nets, including universal health care.
And it should also be strongly regulated, with their donations being public record. Tithes should be heavily regulated, and the money fully accounted for. All churches should be operated with the same legal obligations as any other business.
I am not so sure about this. At the top, fundamentalist have convinced themselves that God can choose champions who are above all of his rules. They are chosen, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Rest of the people, of course, needs to abide to "God's rules".
At the bottom, it's kept simple: anything and anyone they dislike is anti-christian (that can be stretched to no end).
Nonsense, nobody with the intelligence to start a church and convince people to join it, believes that kind of nonsense. It is LITERALLY like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and INSISTING that our entire society should be configured to follow the rules that Santa Claus and/or the Easter Bunny demands. And who interprets those demands? Those same religious leaders. And surprise! Those demands include doing everything those leaders tell you to do without hesitation or question, and giving them as much money as you can possibly come up with.
It's a scam, and they KNOW it's a scam. NONE of them believe in God, or they would be absolutely certain that they are destined for Hell. Or maybe they do, and they know that since they're going to Hell anyway, they might as well take advantage of the fun on Earth, before they go to their eternity of getting poked in the ass with a pitchfork, or whatever their weird cult believes.
100% - I grew up in this.
They live in “feelings”. You go to church, you raise your hands during worship and there’s a collective weirdness where you “feel” like you’re “in gods presence”.
Because of this feeling they get to be the worst humans imaginable because every Sunday they get the feel goods and Jesus loves them and they literally do not believe they’ve done anything wrong because of it.
Horrible horrible people.
coughRomans 3:10-12cough
And the head of their entire structure has never been religious and, in fact, matches their description of the anti-Christ.
They even carry the mark of the beast upon their heads.
I'm not christian, but I think my moral values of not committing heinous acts are superior to the Christian values of those acts being ok if you ask sky daddy forgiveness afterwards.
Raised Catholic, currently atheist:
That's not really what is said in the bible about forgiveness - it's very clearly stated that god knows your heart and there is no forgiveness without true penance. That's not "say 5 hail mary's and 3 lord's prayer and you're all good", that's a run-off effect of the middle-ages "indulgences", where someone could be "forgiven" their sins for a payment to the church.
Actual forgiveness as described several times in the bible explicitly requires the confessor to be truly sorry for their sin (contrition), and a real commitment to do better in the future. This is a fairly concise summary of what the bible says about contrition, confession and forgiveness: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/contrition.htm
TL;DR - There is no forgiveness if you are not truly sorry and if you don't do your best to be better.
Ah, I see you're trying to crusade, please indulge me: is correcting somebody who's being facetious and antichristian worth your time while you could be doing something to fight white christofascism? Or are you providing them smokescreen?
Not sure how you got that from my comment, or why you decided to be snarky in your reply, but whatever. My statement is that even in their dogma, they're doing it wrong and if any of it were true, they'd be going to hell regardless.
How are they going to impose Christian values if they don't know what those are?
Hating gays and black people. They know them very well. Oh yeah and raping kids. They predator handshake with christians about that
I think the Bible I read had the pages where Jesus raped kids and slung racist slurs at minorities ripped out.
Clearly, based on their voting history, those values are to horde wealth and rape children.
No, you fucking ARE NOT.
You can go ahead and go fuck yourself pal, because this is a secular nation. Besides, the "morality" in the Bible is a horrible model for morality, sorry.
Fools speak without realizing that the rest of society knows when and where they all amass weekly.
The "I'm not homophobic! You can do what you want but just dont force it on me or my kids" crowd, everybody.
You mean all the screeching about "they're forcing the gay/trans agenda down our throats" was projection this entire time?
These people either rape children, or support people that do.
Yeah, we know! The Christian Right is dead-set on rolling back the rights of the women, same-sex couples, LGBTQ kids, and other minority groups. Think I'm exaggerating? Think of the Dobbs decision.
No I don't think anyone here will think you're exaggerating because they've literally been doing all that since they got back in power. 😫
"the morality we can find in the Bible"
It's ok to own human beings as property: "As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property."
Its ok to rape young girls (is God in the Epstein files?): "So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man."
It's ok to kill babies: Thus says the Lord of hosts: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When David had an affair and had the woman's husband killed, God killed his baby and had his wives publically raped: "Thus says the Lord: I will raise up trouble against you from within your own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and in broad daylight.”
There is no God it's only you bro
Zuul?
Also don't tell that orange cow that he's a god. It won't end well.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Start with Trump I guess? Good luck forcing people into your lifestyle when your own people don't even follow it.
Emphasis mine.
Christian nationalists cannot fucking stand that you don’t share in and support their delusion, that you’re not subject to their little club, and that their power dynamics cannot legally bind you. They’re crazy because their beliefs do not align with reality, and the founders knew that they are crazy. It was the first thing they thought of when first amending the constitution after our government was formed.
It will never be enough for them to simply practice their own religion for themselves, their own families, or even their own associations. The flock must grow, by coercion if possible, by force if necessary. The great invisible hand of the “savior” reaches from beyond the grave through the raised arms of voting supplicants, cloaked in peace while sowing righteous fury and stark judgement with starry-eyed innocence and empty smiles.
How funny is it that infinite, omnipotent, unknowable God happens to want exactly the same things as rich white American men? “God” is just convenient excuse for stripping away rights and projecting ego.
Here’s something that’s really hard to believe: That this bullshit still works.
I truly love telling some xtianist trying to lecture me on how I should do things this:
If you talk to some of these people, many don't even seem to have any kind of understanding that there are millions of people that don't accept their framing. Like, at all.
Telling them that trying to cite "the bible" at someone like me has as much of an effect as citing Harry Potter or Dianetics makes them just about glitch out. They want to find the right bit of their "scripture" that could be used like a spell on others and make them into another drone at their church. Ain't going to happen: I don't value your text like you do.
It's all a giant psychological tangled mess. They must force it on others, otherwise the truth of their delusion keeps punching them in the face day after day. The cognitive dissonance of knowing you are believing in a fairy tale, deep deep down, is overwhelming and expresses itself in the lashing out against the world we see all the fucking time. They hate freedom because they are to cowardly to enjoy it themselves.
Makes sense. We all remember the part of the Bible where literally Satan tempted Jesus with authority over all the kingdoms of the earth if he would only bow down, and Jesus said "Cool, now I can make everyone live the way they should. You got yourself a deal, Satan."
Jesus so shrewd knowing he has power over Satan anyway. That's just smart business!
"Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor" Mark 10:21
"You cannot serve both God and money." Luke 16:13
"If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also." Matthew 5:39
"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you," Luke 6:27
It will be a small, hollow victory.
But I hope I can hear the MAGAs cry, when they find out "Christian Nation" means they can't get booze and pr0n anymore.
I once trained a guy who worked with some of the Saudi royals. He was really cool, wasn't Saudi (Jordanian, the poor Arabs without oil), and wasn't a practicing Muslim. The subject of alcohol came up, and I said that it was illegal over there, and he said "Not for the royal family. They have rooms filled with cases of booze. I've seen it, often. The people can't drink, but the royal family definitely does."
All of the things that will be forbidden to us under "bible law" will of course be widely available to the very wealthy and the Republican elites. That's part of living in a totalitarian state.
If the house of saud could maintain their power without the clerics you bet your ass they would. The clerics are an allied power who could turn against them if they got out of line.
They both like the control that each other offers. It's a good, perfectly complementary partnership...for them.
In theory, but the house wants to live above religious laws and the clerics want no limits. They're allied because neither alone can have all they want, but both do resent the other forcing them to only have some of what they want
US religious fundamentalism is no different to any other religious fundamentalism. None of those people can see the irony in their hatred in pursuit of a love that they, and only they can define.
How about fuck you? I dont need your book to be a better person than you.
1797 - Treaty of Tripoli. Unanimously voted on and signed by the 2nd President of the United States, John Adams:
"[t]he Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
Christo-fascists go "Nuh unh! It's not in the Arabic text!"
To which the correct answer is "Yes, it's the ENGLISH version that was voted on and signed by President Adams."
You think you know what god believes? Always trying to impose it on others, even if they've told you no. Sounds like god derangement syndrome!
The unfortunate downside to religious freedom is anyone can turn their insane values into a cult and spread it largely uninhibited.
Yeah but cant we be a cool cult like cult mechanicus?
Sharia Law then.
Forcing Jews to have Christian values is NOT Anti Semetic! Anti Semetic is when you DONT Bomb Children!
-Republicans, The ADL AND AIPAC!
If it’s “love thy neighbor,” then great.
If it’s “be bigoted pieces of shit,” then I’m sorry, but hail Satan— and I meant “sorry” as earnestly as you meant it, fucko.
Christian mental gymnastics turns bigotry into being loving. Since Christians do not comprehend love without fear and shame, they are unable to actually be loving without hurting others.
This ghoulish misanthrope can't comprehend that god didn't make us all different so we could all live the same cookie cutter life
I feel like that one line from Kingsman (the good one, right before the fight scene in the church) is appropriate here.
Harry Hart: [to bigoted church lady] I'm a Catholic whore, currently enjoying congress out of wedlock with my black Jewish boyfriend who works at a military abortion clinic. So, hail Satan, and have a lovely afternoon, madam.
Which God? Whose God?
I for one think this man is a literal Devil-worshiper. If your religion leads you to hate, you're worshiping Satan. Gay people exist because God wants gay people to exist. It is the height of hubris to dare to question the will of the Almighty. If God didn't want people to be gay, he wouldn't make gay people.
This man is going to Hell. There he will join his master in the Pit.
Which god? Excuse me! The chaos gods must be served undivided! Trump represents all 4.
Nurgle - i mean forget the health thing. Just look at him next to the greater demon of nurgle.
Slaanesh - not even going there cause that's a book
Tzeentch - the burger lord plans are in and out. Ive never seen anyone with plans that represent the lord of change planning like him. Its like text book.
Khorne - wars for everyone
The Christian god. The greatest source of misery and suffering in their own book.
It's part of my theology that the Abrahamic religions have the god/satan roles reversed and it is not the benevolent god-being that they worship, tied up with their whole not speaking his name and no other gods before me stuff. The fascist christians are their truth while the rest are what propaganda calls "useful idiots" providing legitimacy and cover for the bad works.
From broad personal experience, anyone who often says "hail satan" is a better person than any religious fundamentalist, politician, or billionaire.
Their "morals"
https://youtu.be/_Xl2sfHkVBQ
These are the same people projecting that respect for others living their own lives was shoving DEI down their throats.
Christian values like pedofilia, trafficking children, committing genocide, embezzlement, Zionism, Treason, state sponsored terrorist gang to brutalize the stranger the Bible told you to protect, cutting food assistance, stripping healthcare from millions and actual baby murder? Hard pass
Yeah, I mean some people are trying to bring back the pet rock, doesn't mean it's going to work.
Most people are tired of religion and all of its hypocritical rules and guidelines. Then you learn that a large portion of leaders in religions are pedophiles and abusers.
No real "OOOOOOOHHH SHINYYY" moment for people to want to join.
I've always thought of jesusians as predatory because they target the most vulnerable people for their brainwashing.
Just like Republicans... religion has outlived its usefulness and the only way to remain is to force your ideas on people....fucking assholes need to all go live in Oklahoma or Missouri together and create their perfect Utopia of ignorance, racism and hate.
Wouldn't have too much of a problem if they actually had fucking morals.
Okay, yes, but Harris didn’t support the proletariat enough.
...as Jesus himself so famously said, of course.
Also, they're totally not sorry.
The non Harris voters here defiantly standing on their own in the corner pretending this is somehow equal to Harris being president are pathetic.
Harris is a neoliberal so not nearly as progressive as I would like but on election day I still voted for her.
She was orders of magnitude the less awful candidate.
Yeah agreed I wanted Warren. But like, anyone trying to semantic argue staying home, or saying they're proud they didn't vote this time are worse than trump supporters.
Let's be real, you had to be bad at your job to loose that race. It's pathetic we're making excuses for our "leaders" when they led us down this path for so long. Still would vote for her again though .
Mmm yes I'm sure the fact she is a woman of colour had no influence whatsoever
The main thing is that you know better then the consultants the Democrats hired who said it would be okay. Does that make their leadership sound any more capable?
What excuses did I make for them? I'm calling out the people who didn't pull the fucking lever, or stayed at home because they were pissed they were going to get 30% of what they wanted instead of 0% of what they're getting.
To sit at home while you could prevent all this bullshit is tacit approval for what trump is doing. It's as simple as that.
You are right that is how voters act, to expect otherwise is to excuse leadership that refuses to grapple with that reality.
Voters had their chance to vote their hearts in the primary. After that, it's 'stop fascism.'
And no, this is not an invitation to debate 'well the Democrats didn't have a primary' because Biden was the nominee until he fucking stepped aside like all the progressives wanted.
If you don't even debate whether there should have been a primary after a statement like that then okay, let's say you're right about voters, then what? How does this lesson inform your actions going forward?
Because at least with my perspective the goal is to get better leadership to win more voters over. With your perspective what are we doing exactly? Lecturing voters? Waiting for more faces to be eaten?
Biden was the nominee. He was the incumbent president who was nearly a top 3rd president with a historically tight congress.
He dropped out to acquiesce to the liberal people screaming he was too old, and his VP ran in his stead. There was no fucking time for a primary.
Or do you simply forget that this isn't a perfect world, and you have to make the best decision you can make with the options you're given.
There was no fucking pony and rainbows and a pot of gold for everyone. The choice was Kamala or the fucking Nazi, and way too fucking many liberals and leftists were seemingly okay with the Nazi because their precious little feelings weren't individually addressed by the person running against the fucking Nazi.
You said it's not open to debate and I agreed to move on but now you're debating the point. I guess you really do plan on lecturing voters until democracy is saved. After all that happened, you think voters can be reasoned to a better position? Tell me again how unrealistic voters are and I'll laugh harder at the person still trying to debate them.
Just imagine if Armageddon happens and God appears on Earth and they find out that God is a black trans woman with a furry girlfriend who is bisexual.
Religious freaks always claim that their religion gives them a moral center, and atheist have no moral center, and they don't understand why atheists aren't out raping and pillaging all the time.
Or maybe they are, and they're all helping each other hide it. That's it, all the problems in the world are caused by secret atheists with no moral center, not the people starting a multi-faith Holy World War 3 to kick off The Rapture. It's all the Atheists' faults.
Anyone claiming atheists have no moral value because they have no God should be kept under close monitoring. They're saying out loud they have urges to kill, rape and rampage and only God prevents them from doing those!
Exactly.
And you're saying you heard this "God" talk to you? Don't worry these nice people in white are here to help you.
they often get teary eyed like Jerry Falwell. when punched
My guy is probably wearing mixed fabrics smh my head
They can't even impose Christian values on themselves. And that's what I've noticed about control freaks: those who can't control themselves will absolutely try to control everyone else. Virtue by proxy is a hell of a vice.
"I'M FILLED WITH CHRIST'S LOVE!!"
Full of that Warm white love they keep talking about.
Good luck. This is a stupid hill to die on. A huge chunk of Gen Z identifies under the LGBT umbrella (around one in three.) There's no going back.
Hmmm sounds familiar.
So eating shrimp will be a capital crime?
More so than storming it when an election doesn't go your way.
Add this guy to The List.
Assuming he actually believes this, he just needs to extend that logic one tiny step forward. A more plausible explanation is he knows that it isn't true but still needs some sort of argument that explains the regime's repugnant behaviour. Those are your dismal options. Reminds me of that South African leader who claimed he was raping girls as a cure for AIDS because raping girls has bad optics.
As is tradition.
I don't get it.
“Speaking in tongues.”
Oh
That’s because it’s nonsense
Two words for you.
HAIL SATAN.
Start by imposing them on the Idiot in Chief!!
Aren't commies known for shutting down all religions in their regions? Will this be my final straw? Am I a commie now? How do you do, fellow tankies?