The thing is if it was true that prosecuting individuals would cause issues (it isn't true at all) then it pretty much proves that the system is fundamentally broken and needs to change asap.
If any one person can say "hey, I think I'll murder that baby over there because I can get away with it...Haha, I'm needed too much, haha. No one will do anything to stop me." then we all may as well just go back to doing sacrifices at altars.
That disgusting bitch is being wildly dramatic, because if we were to get all the paedos in the tRUMP-Epstein files and guillotine them tomorrow nothing much will collapse.
Nothing.
Yeah, ok, there will be some blips whilst those power vacuums are filled. No collapse though.
When the fat kiddie fiddler dies (or before, please) then her and enablers like her deserve justice. Prison if you want, but something more painful and permanent is also acceptable.
I struggle to think of an appropriate "punishment" for such people, because I don't have the wisdom and vision to see how they can be rehabilitated and reintegrated into society. How can they be? So reluctantly I find myself thinking of capital punishment - how else to make safe a democracy from its most powerful avowed enemies?
I don't hate it, as long as they're also financially de-clawed and all their contacts and businesses taken away. No punishment can ever make power over others safe in their hands.
I think this is probably the one and only time I could get behind slave labor, since it’s explicitly allowed in exactly this way (absolutely should not be, but maybe the rich wouldn’t support that anymore if they saw this happen, and we could get rid of it). Keeping them alive on the public dime with no hope for them being rehabilitated isn’t a great option, but I’m not a fan of death penalty either. That’s too easy.
I say we put them to work on projects to support marginalized communities, especially shit jobs nobody else wants to do. No pay, no perks, just labor in service of the public they wronged. Maybe have them cleaning chemically-damaged sites so they can be used for something good. That sounds good since they directly profit from pollution now.
Quietly move them from place to place so they can’t stay in contact with other powerful people, and maybe that would do it.
This is why I recuse myself from it, I can't think of a verdict that's entirely focused on rehabilitation instead of vengeance, but I do believe that any justice system worth submitting to should only be concerned with interventions that treat the disease and the symptom without prejudice. If someone is totally against that idea of society, don't you just destroy them as humanely as possible?
Éleuthère Irénée du Pont was very nearly executed during the reign of terror. It ended and his life was spared, only for him to go on to found one of America's most deadly family legacies and one of, if not the most wealthy and influential American family currently. Pity and clemency are noble virtues, but it is sometimes difficult to bear their erstwhile mistakes.
It seems we haven't graduated from sacrifices at altars at all based on the things these seem to have been doing. One could also view constant wars as rituals..
"Can you tell us the names of the people you won't prosecute? If that risks collapsing the system, can you tell us which systems are at risk of collapsing? If you can't specify systems, can you tell us if they're American systems? If America is a nation under God, are these systems at the service of God? Is God in the Epstein files? Is it the official stance of the United States government that God is a pedophile?"
No because as far as I can tell this is just a made up quote. I hate her and this admin, but this appears to just be made up nonsense circulating on social media.
Think about speeding on a highway. If you're the lead car or the tail end, you'll get nabbed. But if you're in the pack, there's too many people to nab, so they let it go.
And remove any pedestrian paths, bike lanes and grass verges to make way for the ever expanding amount of lanes. Heck, let's make the lanes wider too so drivers feel safer going faster next to other cars
Does anyone remember "drain the swamp"? Anyone with half a brain knew it was a joke, but it's amazing how they don't even pretend to be the good guys. It's endless comic book levels of villainy.
If the "system" is so deeply and widelly riddled with pedophiles that prosecuting every one in just the found files of just a single criminal pedophile ring would "collapse the system" then the "system" is nothing more than a criminal enterprise which deserves to be collapsed.
Well if our system of paedophiles leading the country is going to be upended...
Hey, here's an idea: Lets not participate in a system that is led by paedophiles. Let us, in fact, burn it to the ground with all the paedophiles still inside.
General Strike. International. We can start out smaller and part time, work up to big ones, the more the government gets rough trying to force us back, the more and longer we walk off jobs and stay off of them until demands are met.
Create Unions of Unions that cover everyone, regardless of where they work, to bargain. Leaderless perhaps. We have leaders but they aren't even known whom they are. Leaders by virtue of their own character, for the unions, to prevent persecution. Maybe just spitballing on that part.
The general strike, spread worldwide, to China, to SE Asia, to Europe. We could take some real power back from these leaders using technology to prostrate us before them and fix elections.
How are they gonna starve us when workers are the ones who grow the food, deliver the food to grocery stores, stock the shelves, and sell other workers the food? If we actually had more unions and did some organizing with a general strike in mind, we could setup strike funds and a plan for how to get food during a general strike. Then all we'd have to do is support each other and wait them out til our demands are met.
If we actually had more unions and did some organizing
That's a LOT of action packed into a single phrase. Maybe we'll get there, but organizing the ability to carry out every function in a bypass of current currency/ownership is as great, if not greater, a task than a war to overthrow the government... because practically, you would be overthrowing the government.
Let them list lists of general strikers, I will be one of all. We are already on lists just by virtue of being discontent. Computer memory is so cheap and vast they collect everything we've said or done, and use computer programs to make half baked determinations about you from it. But there is no escaping it, and it's coming for everyone anyway. We sill soon have social scores courtesy of the anti christ thiel himself, distributed to be used against us ALL secretely in ways we will never be told about or able to challenge. To pick winners and losers, decide jobs, government treatment, prices you are charged, search results you are shown, how companies treat you, whether you get that loan. All while they work to eliminate your jobs entirely to replace them with computers.
There is no other option but to go on strike, their plans are well along, and will lead us to ruin.
It is not. The pedoligarchs just want us to think that we need them. But the reality is it is them who needs US.
Pedoligarchs don't run the power lines, build construction projects, or work the farms that grow our food. They aren't even the managers who oversee all of that. They are the top fraction of a percent whose sole purpose is to siphon money and power from the rest of us on the bottom of the pile.
Putting every one of them in the dirt would only make society less corrupt, so it's a win-win situation for the majority of the world population.
The system obviously needs to crash if the whole entire fucking government, AS A WHOLE, were all cool with pedophilia for multiple multiple fucking years! This means both Democrats AND Republicans have had ample chances to stop this tragedy, but DID NOT.
Okay, you don't want to prosecute everybody in the files because it will collapse the system, so how about a cut-off? Just prosecute the ones who are mentioned above a certain number of times. Like, if your name is mentioned more than a few hundred times, you can get a full-time FBI agent assigned to you.
And if, God forbid, there's somebody in there who is mentioned over a million times, you get a dedicated team of dozens of agents, special prosecutors, and forensic experts who will work non-stop until you're serving a life sentence.
That seems like a reasonable starting point, right? Better than just throwing your hands up in the air and doing nothing.
Sounds like a kickstarter. What do i get for zero mentions? Am I too late to get at least a time-sharing data entry guy at the FBI or can i make up for it with incendiary comments on lemmy?
We're always hearing that as an excuse for the government to not do the hard work of governing, and it has brought us to this.
Every society has a swath of psychopaths chomping at the bit to get off the leash and cause chaos and mayhem. A healthy society recognizes this and keeps that ugly slice of humanity under control. But now and then, a country gets distracted, and that ugly slice of humanity grabs their opportunity and takes over. In the mid-20th century it was the Nazis. Today, in America, it's MAGA.
Nothing is better proof of how broken America is than the fact that we allowed MAGA to rise, and take over. We all saw it coming back in 2015/6, and even Republicans were screaming against it. They should have held their ground, but as the final example of how far our nation has fallen, they decided to join instead.
Now we have to dislodge them, which will be a difficult, and probably violent job, and then we have to make the hard decisions to punish them for their crimes. We can no longer kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with, we are the ones who finally have to deal with it now. We are in unprecedented territory, and it will take unprecedented solutions. We can't just fall back on our old strategies of doing NOTHING, and hope it works out. It won't work out, we are living proof of that.
So where are all the 2nd Amendment lunatics that were losing their shit over PizzaGate with NO EVIDENCE of anything now?... why are they not sAViNg tHE ChiLDrEn?
People on the right don't think logically. It's always just us vs them. If they do gerrymandering its good, if the dems do it its bad. They have no morals, they just know sides. Also they like to engage in virtue signalling. "Freedom!" and all that. They mean freedom for themselves, not for all people. I hate how so many people try to get that gatcha moment with them. Its so easy to do and they could not care less. Guess lefties just like patting themselves on the back after pointing out the right's non existent logic time and time again. You are just the most recent addition to the circle jerk.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
-Sartre
The last two sentenced (which are conveniently left out in most quote sites now) are the reason to continue pointing out the hypocrisy.
It leads to the exact same material result as pointing out the hypocrisy does: nothing. Point it out all you like, I don’t care if you get off on wasting your time.
well, you seem to do the exact same so I don't get the high horse attitude
On a side note, I do believe it is important... it looks like the world's powerful men are all pedos, it seems, if we take your line of thinking, there would be no point in calling them out either; however, limited and completely insufficient as it is, I do believe that some consequences are coming to these bad actors as a result of the relentless pointing out they are pedos
There’s a point to itemizing their crimes and stating them publicly.
Pointing out hypocrisy is about trying to make someone understand a flaw in their reasoning. There is no flaw in their reasoning because they did not use reason to reach their conclusions.
Edit: It’s like pointing at someone in the midst of a schizophrenic delusion and saying “woah can you believe this guy?! He thinks the CIA is gonna crawl out of the sewer and carry him off to the KGB headquarters in Obamas secret underground lair! Doesn’t he know that’s stupid and makes no sense!?” You’re criticizing madness as if it were a legitimate reasoned argument.
Pointing out hypocrisy is about trying to make someone understand a flaw in their reasoning
No, I do it so other people can see how worthless MAGA's stance is on anything. I do not pretend that they would suddenly realize the error of their ways and make amends. I do it so the fence sitters may get off the fence and pick a side. Considering that most of the eligible voters in the USA simply did not vote in the last election, I think it's important to bring them into the conversation.
Again, maybe consider getting off your high horse and stop assuming you know what everyone is doing and why
Anyone who hasn’t “picked a side” yet has had more than enough examples of hypocrisy to convince them if that were something that mattered to them. The fence sitters who remain aren’t interested in examining the validity of the MAGA movements “reasoned arguments”. They are vibes based morons who are more influenced by their feelings and peer pressure and they probably aren’t on Lemmy.
Do what you want man, just leave my horse and his height out of it; he’s very sensitive about it.
I mean, yes I want to dismantle capitalism but this actually signals that they will weaponize the intentional destruction of public safety to protect their own. They all know the system isnt functional for its purported purpose to the people anyway, that's how they use it.
Yes....but my comment is pointing out that these statements aren't meant to convince people to give up on Epstein list convictions because of the consequences it poses to the system, they're a threat that promises to use a perceived collapse of the system to hold its dependents hostage. There are many ways that fascists utilize public discourse and liberal systems to their advantage, my comment is discussing this specific instance and how it is easily misinterpreted.
Looking forward from 2000 not backwards led to republicans perverting the vote itself, and embarking a systematic fixing of elections. An existential threat. Along with the creeping power of the federal government and the imperial presidency, that democrats have done nothing to put in check despite it being without question the abuses we were going to be facing.
Then 2020, looking forward, not backwards. Everyone involved not even investigated let alone prosecuted. Everyone thought there would be prosecutions, then jan 20, nothing happened. After a few months everyone lined back up behind the election thievery candidate, and party. The army guys, the Secret service guys, the attorneys, everyone involved in the attempted coup(s) attempt(s) was let off the hook. Kept their jobs. To do it again.
Now we are looking at fixed elections indefinitely going forward, fixed for the worst people in the world, all because the oligarchy captured the democrats and made sure they only chose weak candidates that wouldn't try to do any popular reform. As if that is more of a danger to them than a supreme leader, which hasn't worked all that well for the rich throughout history.
Pedophiles under the thumb of Israel, hardcore fascists not content with Reiching their own country and their occupied territories, but intent on exporting it here to the United States. Already having cancelled the 1st amendment to a large degree. Our politicians care more about preventing even just criticism of Israel, than they do anything. More than they care about criticism of themselves, their leaders in the party, the oligarchs. But criticize Israel and they rabidly attack the people.
What are they so afraid of? Evidence of their fucking children to be revealed. It all makes sense now.
These billionaires and big CEOs think they hold up the heavens, but if the 1% would die off tomorrow (or get put in jail) not much would change.
Companies would work as they normally do, perhaps even better without egomaniacs controlling them for once. The real work happens much further down the chain if command.
Politicians would have to be replaced, but except for some early voting in some areas the impact would be quite small. There are rules for politicians leaving office before their term ends, or else every politician who died or gets convicted would be a major problem.
I'm all for it. Throw every single pedo protector in the government right into a cold dark jail cell. Since they're such a big fan of not having die process, let's send them to prison now and work out if they're actually guilty later. Basically every republikkkan in office. All are complicit.
Then it needs to be done. Seriously, dont make a bunch of pissed off nobodies form a Lynch mob ... its not the way it should be. Too many innocent (but fed up) people would go to jail over a Lil vigilante justice on some pedophiles. Lock these people up. They are gross. The only reason they cling to power is because they are trying to stay out of prison.
Seriously, the US needs their system to be remade and restructured from the ground up. So many things were never regulated and simply not done out of tradition. But Trump breaking with every tradition has now opened pandoras box and showed to any future bad actor with how much you can get away. It's somewhat surprising that it took 250 years for someone to break the system like this, but it most certainly won't take another 250 years to repeat now that Trump has set the precedent, unless the system itself fundamentally changes
It's NOT illegal to say "with a mortar launcher" because it's an incomplete sentence that definitely DOESN'T have anything to do with what we're talking about in the comment section of that meme. Nope. Definitely not that.
I mean, they could take the same approach they are with immigration and not give due process, right? Since they are arguing it's not a human right? Just "deport" them to a prison somewhere they aren't from?
I mean, I’m ok with t still prosecuting them even if it doesn’t collapse the system.
We can do that separate if we have to.
Did Pam Bondi just admit that the American system is controlled by, or at least dependant on, pedophiles, rapists, and human / sex traffickers?
Yes.
The thing is if it was true that prosecuting individuals would cause issues (it isn't true at all) then it pretty much proves that the system is fundamentally broken and needs to change asap.
If any one person can say "hey, I think I'll murder that baby over there because I can get away with it...Haha, I'm needed too much, haha. No one will do anything to stop me." then we all may as well just go back to doing sacrifices at altars.
That disgusting bitch is being wildly dramatic, because if we were to get all the paedos in the tRUMP-Epstein files and guillotine them tomorrow nothing much will collapse.
Nothing.
Yeah, ok, there will be some blips whilst those power vacuums are filled. No collapse though.
When the fat kiddie fiddler dies (or before, please) then her and enablers like her deserve justice. Prison if you want, but something more painful and permanent is also acceptable.
I struggle to think of an appropriate "punishment" for such people, because I don't have the wisdom and vision to see how they can be rehabilitated and reintegrated into society. How can they be? So reluctantly I find myself thinking of capital punishment - how else to make safe a democracy from its most powerful avowed enemies?
Siberia. You put them to work with eachother away from society.
I don't hate it, as long as they're also financially de-clawed and all their contacts and businesses taken away. No punishment can ever make power over others safe in their hands.
I think this is probably the one and only time I could get behind slave labor, since it’s explicitly allowed in exactly this way (absolutely should not be, but maybe the rich wouldn’t support that anymore if they saw this happen, and we could get rid of it). Keeping them alive on the public dime with no hope for them being rehabilitated isn’t a great option, but I’m not a fan of death penalty either. That’s too easy.
I say we put them to work on projects to support marginalized communities, especially shit jobs nobody else wants to do. No pay, no perks, just labor in service of the public they wronged. Maybe have them cleaning chemically-damaged sites so they can be used for something good. That sounds good since they directly profit from pollution now.
Quietly move them from place to place so they can’t stay in contact with other powerful people, and maybe that would do it.
This is why I recuse myself from it, I can't think of a verdict that's entirely focused on rehabilitation instead of vengeance, but I do believe that any justice system worth submitting to should only be concerned with interventions that treat the disease and the symptom without prejudice. If someone is totally against that idea of society, don't you just destroy them as humanely as possible?
Éleuthère Irénée du Pont was very nearly executed during the reign of terror. It ended and his life was spared, only for him to go on to found one of America's most deadly family legacies and one of, if not the most wealthy and influential American family currently. Pity and clemency are noble virtues, but it is sometimes difficult to bear their erstwhile mistakes.
If there's someone the current jail system works for is exactly these billionares used to live in luxury and surrounded by servants.
It seems we haven't graduated from sacrifices at altars at all based on the things these seem to have been doing. One could also view constant wars as rituals..
"Can you tell us the names of the people you won't prosecute? If that risks collapsing the system, can you tell us which systems are at risk of collapsing? If you can't specify systems, can you tell us if they're American systems? If America is a nation under God, are these systems at the service of God? Is God in the Epstein files? Is it the official stance of the United States government that God is a pedophile?"
No because as far as I can tell this is just a made up quote. I hate her and this admin, but this appears to just be made up nonsense circulating on social media.
So, the secret to getting away with awful crimes is quantity? Okay, good to know.
Think about speeding on a highway. If you're the lead car or the tail end, you'll get nabbed. But if you're in the pack, there's too many people to nab, so they let it go.
Then you narrow the roads and introduce curves.
Best i can do is add another lane.
And remove any pedestrian paths, bike lanes and grass verges to make way for the ever expanding amount of lanes. Heck, let's make the lanes wider too so drivers feel safer going faster next to other cars
Or you add lanes, widen the road, and keep it straightened.
Too big to fail
Too criminal to fail?
Pretty sure if everyone in the Epstein files was shot I'd still have a job, a boss, bills, hunger, thirst, neighbors, etc.
Yeah but what if the rent seekers weren't able to seek more rent anymore? Imagine the societal collapse if everyday people had expendable income.
Gasp, the poors are SAVING? How horrible! Next they'll...take vacation time! The gall!
Yeah, but in Pam's eyes common people and the elements of their life are neither "the system" nor what that "the system" exists to support.
Does anyone remember "drain the swamp"? Anyone with half a brain knew it was a joke, but it's amazing how they don't even pretend to be the good guys. It's endless comic book levels of villainy.
They meant the other swamp. Not their swamp. Totally different.
They want to dismantle the system, to be the system.
If I had the stomach to ever attend one, now would be a great time to start a “drain the swamp” chant at a conservative rally.
If the "system" is so deeply and widelly riddled with pedophiles that prosecuting every one in just the found files of just a single criminal pedophile ring would "collapse the system" then the "system" is nothing more than a criminal enterprise which deserves to be collapsed.
Well if our system of paedophiles leading the country is going to be upended...
Hey, here's an idea: Lets not participate in a system that is led by paedophiles. Let us, in fact, burn it to the ground with all the paedophiles still inside.
General Strike. International. We can start out smaller and part time, work up to big ones, the more the government gets rough trying to force us back, the more and longer we walk off jobs and stay off of them until demands are met.
Create Unions of Unions that cover everyone, regardless of where they work, to bargain. Leaderless perhaps. We have leaders but they aren't even known whom they are. Leaders by virtue of their own character, for the unions, to prevent persecution. Maybe just spitballing on that part.
The general strike, spread worldwide, to China, to SE Asia, to Europe. We could take some real power back from these leaders using technology to prostrate us before them and fix elections.
https://www.iww.org/
And for international people, look for your local member of the ICL-CIT
https://www.iclcit.org/contact/
Cool idea, but no practical way to implement it within the current system.
They would basically just starve us until we had no choice but to give in, or we just die.
How are they gonna starve us when workers are the ones who grow the food, deliver the food to grocery stores, stock the shelves, and sell other workers the food? If we actually had more unions and did some organizing with a general strike in mind, we could setup strike funds and a plan for how to get food during a general strike. Then all we'd have to do is support each other and wait them out til our demands are met.
I think the promise of AI has them believing this is within reach as soon as they replace us.
That's a LOT of action packed into a single phrase. Maybe we'll get there, but organizing the ability to carry out every function in a bypass of current currency/ownership is as great, if not greater, a task than a war to overthrow the government... because practically, you would be overthrowing the government.
I have some thoughts on that…
How are you gonna do that without getting put on a list?
Let them list lists of general strikers, I will be one of all. We are already on lists just by virtue of being discontent. Computer memory is so cheap and vast they collect everything we've said or done, and use computer programs to make half baked determinations about you from it. But there is no escaping it, and it's coming for everyone anyway. We sill soon have social scores courtesy of the anti christ thiel himself, distributed to be used against us ALL secretely in ways we will never be told about or able to challenge. To pick winners and losers, decide jobs, government treatment, prices you are charged, search results you are shown, how companies treat you, whether you get that loan. All while they work to eliminate your jobs entirely to replace them with computers.
There is no other option but to go on strike, their plans are well along, and will lead us to ruin.
There are other options
Tune in, drop out, and figure how to play that new mario bros game multiplayer?
What would Marx even do?
If prosecuting everyone in the files causes the collapse of the system, that kinda implies the system is bad and needs collapse.
By system she probably means Republicans but who cares, take them all out no matter who
...then collapse the system, duh...
These are vital load-bearing pedophiles.
I'm already sold on the concept, you don't need to advertise it even more, Pam!
If prosecuting pedophiles takes down "the system" then the system must be taken down.
You DONT Understand! The world is RUN by RICH PEDOPHILES RAPING CHILDREN and if we STOP that the WHOLE system Collapses!
-NOT QAnon Anymore for some Reason!
Throw it on the ground!
I ain't part of your system!
You can't trust the system...maaaaan!
https://youtu.be/gAYL5H46QnQ
If that’s what’s keeping the system supported, then it deserves to collapse.
It is not. The pedoligarchs just want us to think that we need them. But the reality is it is them who needs US.
Pedoligarchs don't run the power lines, build construction projects, or work the farms that grow our food. They aren't even the managers who oversee all of that. They are the top fraction of a percent whose sole purpose is to siphon money and power from the rest of us on the bottom of the pile.
Putting every one of them in the dirt would only make society less corrupt, so it's a win-win situation for the majority of the world population.
Yeah, I don’t believe that they actually do support the system, my sentiment is just that even if that were true, it shouldn’t be a deterrent.
I'd even say it MUST collapse at that point.
The system obviously needs to crash if the whole entire fucking government, AS A WHOLE, were all cool with pedophilia for multiple multiple fucking years! This means both Democrats AND Republicans have had ample chances to stop this tragedy, but DID NOT.
Disgusting shit.
…collapse their system.
The one that keeps them richer and more powerful than everyone else. The rest of us will be fine.
If it can be destroyed but the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth
I like this one
Okay, you don't want to prosecute everybody in the files because it will collapse the system, so how about a cut-off? Just prosecute the ones who are mentioned above a certain number of times. Like, if your name is mentioned more than a few hundred times, you can get a full-time FBI agent assigned to you.
And if, God forbid, there's somebody in there who is mentioned over a million times, you get a dedicated team of dozens of agents, special prosecutors, and forensic experts who will work non-stop until you're serving a life sentence.
That seems like a reasonable starting point, right? Better than just throwing your hands up in the air and doing nothing.
Sounds like a kickstarter. What do i get for zero mentions? Am I too late to get at least a time-sharing data entry guy at the FBI or can i make up for it with incendiary comments on lemmy?
lmao fukk yea BURN IT
We're always hearing that as an excuse for the government to not do the hard work of governing, and it has brought us to this.
Every society has a swath of psychopaths chomping at the bit to get off the leash and cause chaos and mayhem. A healthy society recognizes this and keeps that ugly slice of humanity under control. But now and then, a country gets distracted, and that ugly slice of humanity grabs their opportunity and takes over. In the mid-20th century it was the Nazis. Today, in America, it's MAGA.
Nothing is better proof of how broken America is than the fact that we allowed MAGA to rise, and take over. We all saw it coming back in 2015/6, and even Republicans were screaming against it. They should have held their ground, but as the final example of how far our nation has fallen, they decided to join instead.
Now we have to dislodge them, which will be a difficult, and probably violent job, and then we have to make the hard decisions to punish them for their crimes. We can no longer kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with, we are the ones who finally have to deal with it now. We are in unprecedented territory, and it will take unprecedented solutions. We can't just fall back on our old strategies of doing NOTHING, and hope it works out. It won't work out, we are living proof of that.
So where are all the 2nd Amendment lunatics that were losing their shit over PizzaGate with NO EVIDENCE of anything now?... why are they not sAViNg tHE ChiLDrEn?
People on the right don't think logically. It's always just us vs them. If they do gerrymandering its good, if the dems do it its bad. They have no morals, they just know sides. Also they like to engage in virtue signalling. "Freedom!" and all that. They mean freedom for themselves, not for all people. I hate how so many people try to get that gatcha moment with them. Its so easy to do and they could not care less. Guess lefties just like patting themselves on the back after pointing out the right's non existent logic time and time again. You are just the most recent addition to the circle jerk.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
-Sartre
The last two sentenced (which are conveniently left out in most quote sites now) are the reason to continue pointing out the hypocrisy.
So your suggestion is to stop pointing out the hypocrisy and this will lead to what exactly?
It leads to the exact same material result as pointing out the hypocrisy does: nothing. Point it out all you like, I don’t care if you get off on wasting your time.
well, you seem to do the exact same so I don't get the high horse attitude
On a side note, I do believe it is important... it looks like the world's powerful men are all pedos, it seems, if we take your line of thinking, there would be no point in calling them out either; however, limited and completely insufficient as it is, I do believe that some consequences are coming to these bad actors as a result of the relentless pointing out they are pedos
There’s a point to itemizing their crimes and stating them publicly.
Pointing out hypocrisy is about trying to make someone understand a flaw in their reasoning. There is no flaw in their reasoning because they did not use reason to reach their conclusions.
Edit: It’s like pointing at someone in the midst of a schizophrenic delusion and saying “woah can you believe this guy?! He thinks the CIA is gonna crawl out of the sewer and carry him off to the KGB headquarters in Obamas secret underground lair! Doesn’t he know that’s stupid and makes no sense!?” You’re criticizing madness as if it were a legitimate reasoned argument.
No, I do it so other people can see how worthless MAGA's stance is on anything. I do not pretend that they would suddenly realize the error of their ways and make amends. I do it so the fence sitters may get off the fence and pick a side. Considering that most of the eligible voters in the USA simply did not vote in the last election, I think it's important to bring them into the conversation.
Again, maybe consider getting off your high horse and stop assuming you know what everyone is doing and why
Anyone who hasn’t “picked a side” yet has had more than enough examples of hypocrisy to convince them if that were something that mattered to them. The fence sitters who remain aren’t interested in examining the validity of the MAGA movements “reasoned arguments”. They are vibes based morons who are more influenced by their feelings and peer pressure and they probably aren’t on Lemmy.
Do what you want man, just leave my horse and his height out of it; he’s very sensitive about it.
I'm kind of convinced that most of those people online were foreign agitators and/or bot nets.
A system where the most powerful man on earth is a pedophile should indeed collapse
I mean, yes I want to dismantle capitalism but this actually signals that they will weaponize the intentional destruction of public safety to protect their own. They all know the system isnt functional for its purported purpose to the people anyway, that's how they use it.
They will weaponize everything they can to protect themselves regardless of when or how it happens though.
Yes....but my comment is pointing out that these statements aren't meant to convince people to give up on Epstein list convictions because of the consequences it poses to the system, they're a threat that promises to use a perceived collapse of the system to hold its dependents hostage. There are many ways that fascists utilize public discourse and liberal systems to their advantage, my comment is discussing this specific instance and how it is easily misinterpreted.
"We have to look forward, not backwards"
Obama on why he refused to investigate or prosecute anyone for the CIA rendition and torture programme.
Yeah, well, looking forward got us illegal surveillance programs and extra-judicial killings of American citizens so it was worth it in the end
/s
Looking forward from 2000 not backwards led to republicans perverting the vote itself, and embarking a systematic fixing of elections. An existential threat. Along with the creeping power of the federal government and the imperial presidency, that democrats have done nothing to put in check despite it being without question the abuses we were going to be facing.
Then 2020, looking forward, not backwards. Everyone involved not even investigated let alone prosecuted. Everyone thought there would be prosecutions, then jan 20, nothing happened. After a few months everyone lined back up behind the election thievery candidate, and party. The army guys, the Secret service guys, the attorneys, everyone involved in the attempted coup(s) attempt(s) was let off the hook. Kept their jobs. To do it again.
Now we are looking at fixed elections indefinitely going forward, fixed for the worst people in the world, all because the oligarchy captured the democrats and made sure they only chose weak candidates that wouldn't try to do any popular reform. As if that is more of a danger to them than a supreme leader, which hasn't worked all that well for the rich throughout history.
It's not correct according to this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bondi-epstein-files-system-collapse/
So seemingly fake news.
Most importantly, there is NO reliable attribution of this quote to her. No video. No audio. No text.
This is 100% "spin up the Libs" misinformation.
I fell for it for an hour and looked for a source to tell other people....nope. Does not exist.
BE CAREFUL, Y'ALL! This is how they get you.
It could drain the swamp, you mean? That's too bad, let's not do that. Nobody ran their campaign on doing that.
I love how they claim the system can't survive without pedofiles. 100 percent all those people are expendable. Just like the kids they raped.
Isn't upending the establishment what Trump was originally voted in for?
Then it's a bad system that needs to collapse.
The system that exists solely to protect pedophiles and rapists? The system that lets these vile cunts prosper while the rest of us toil and suffer?
I think I could be okay with watching that collapse.
Sounds like a system-problem and not a me-problem.
This bitch is over here threatening us all with a good time.
I'd rather rebuild from the ground than live in a lie perpetrated by pedophiles
Pedophiles under the thumb of Israel, hardcore fascists not content with Reiching their own country and their occupied territories, but intent on exporting it here to the United States. Already having cancelled the 1st amendment to a large degree. Our politicians care more about preventing even just criticism of Israel, than they do anything. More than they care about criticism of themselves, their leaders in the party, the oligarchs. But criticize Israel and they rabidly attack the people.
What are they so afraid of? Evidence of their fucking children to be revealed. It all makes sense now.
Will somebody please think of the pedophiles?!
I hope that's a promise. May it's ashes feed a thousand new worlds.
Sweetie, that means your system sucks.
Drain the swamp?
Ngl, total collapse looks more appealing every day
Burn it down.
Lol literally noone thinks that wouldn't be for the best then
They actually admit that the whole system is corrupt. Sharpen yer axes, America!
The thing is: it would not collapse.
These billionaires and big CEOs think they hold up the heavens, but if the 1% would die off tomorrow (or get put in jail) not much would change.
Companies would work as they normally do, perhaps even better without egomaniacs controlling them for once. The real work happens much further down the chain if command.
Politicians would have to be replaced, but except for some early voting in some areas the impact would be quite small. There are rules for politicians leaving office before their term ends, or else every politician who died or gets convicted would be a major problem.
It's an excuse and a bad one, I'd say.
This is just some 'Atlas shrugged' nonsense.
I'm all for it. Throw every single pedo protector in the government right into a cold dark jail cell. Since they're such a big fan of not having die process, let's send them to prison now and work out if they're actually guilty later. Basically every republikkkan in office. All are complicit.
Hard ball.
Then it needs to be done. Seriously, dont make a bunch of pissed off nobodies form a Lynch mob ... its not the way it should be. Too many innocent (but fed up) people would go to jail over a Lil vigilante justice on some pedophiles. Lock these people up. They are gross. The only reason they cling to power is because they are trying to stay out of prison.
Seriously, the US needs their system to be remade and restructured from the ground up. So many things were never regulated and simply not done out of tradition. But Trump breaking with every tradition has now opened pandoras box and showed to any future bad actor with how much you can get away. It's somewhat surprising that it took 250 years for someone to break the system like this, but it most certainly won't take another 250 years to repeat now that Trump has set the precedent, unless the system itself fundamentally changes
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
Yes thank you that's literally the fucking point
This woman would make Mr. Roger's cry.
This song seems appropriate
Burn the house down.
https://youtu.be/UnyLfqpyi94
TIL "the system" is a pedophile ring
the system is the belief that blackmail is valuable
Don’t threaten us with a good time
There is no alternative
I'm already for it, you don't have to sell it to me.
It's NOT illegal to say "with a mortar launcher" because it's an incomplete sentence that definitely DOESN'T have anything to do with what we're talking about in the comment section of that meme. Nope. Definitely not that.
No we can't give this one to Vader, he is the elite. Think about his past with younglings. Check your force privilege.
There's still some good in him.
I mean, they could take the same approach they are with immigration and not give due process, right? Since they are arguing it's not a human right? Just "deport" them to a prison somewhere they aren't from?