TikTok uninstalls are up 150% following U.S. joint venture
TikTok users have been deleting the app at a higher rate since the company announced that its U.S. operations would be housed in a new joint venture.
The short-form video platform’s daily average app uninstalls in the U.S. have increased nearly 150% over the past five days compared with the previous three months, market intelligence firm Sensor Tower told CNBC.
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If you are uninstalling, you can try the federated alternative: loops
I downloaded it. It's very barren right now, no more than a few comments per post, if any. Hopefully it gains some traction
It was like that here when Reddit
fellcaused people to leave and look for something better. Give it time, and interact!It's still kinda like that here.
I think its mostly because of lurkers, but also, I first joined on midwest.social then something broke the feed and caused a bunch of federation issues. Now this is my "alt" but I can't see content from piracy@dbzero or whatever now
lemmy.world had blocked and then unblocked a bunch of piracy communities two years ago, that community being one of them
But it looks like lemmy.world is currently not federating that piracy one specifically, maybe I missed another announcement
Does that include comments?
No, I see comments just fine, but the community is blocked
Think of it as an exclusive club where your content has a higher chance of being seen by elite users
Kinda like fediverse in general. That's the price of a non-corpo platform
I don't see how few comments is a bad thing? Do you really sit and scroll through the vile idiocy that is tiktok comments? Nowhere does more comments etc. mean it's better. If anything less people is good.
Do you not see the irony in replying to my comment in order to comment that comments are full of vile idiocy?
ive poked around on there over the past year or so. not much to see and often quite broken.
what client do you use? it seems as if it even removed your own default upvote, maybe it's the thing that is broken
I always un-upvote myself. I tried the latest loops client, it's way more performant than it used to be. id say the only thing i didnt like about it was the overlap in the feeds and the wrap-around feeds. if it's out of content, it should just say so.
Cool to see how much loops has grown even just in the last year. It gets more and more viable as an alternative all the time. Love seeing the fediverse continue to grow
It must be really demanding in terms of hardware and network to host video content like tiktok. I wonder if the fediverse voluntaries will be able to keep up with it if the userbase grows too much
Oof, this still isn't up on F-Droid or either main app store. That's a shame, I thought this moment would be a great time for Loops to get some user base, but it seems like it's still not ready for wider adoption.
That said, it does look a lot better now than it did a few months ago when I last tried it. Here's hoping it picks up some momentum. I finally tried TikTok last year, and was really impressed by the breadth of videos and how quickly it was able to start showing me things I enjoyed. With the recent change in ownership, I don't know that I'll revisit it much if at all. Would take quite a lot to replicate even a little bit of the zeitgeist TikTok had going. But like with Lemmy and Mastodon/Bsky, I'm hoping I can do my little part by choosing where to put my attention. Just don't know that I'm going to find much there I care to see, for now.
I like it 😃
Good. Fuck TikTok.
This is now a right wing propaganda machine. I deleted awhile ago.
It was always a rightwing propoganda machine, it helped Trumo get elected.
Now its 50% Blue Fascist in addition to the Red Fascist.
I feel old every time I share that I’ve never installed TikTok and don’t have an account.
In many ways, I feel a bit like I am still forced to ambiently and peripherally use the app when interacting with the rest of social media and society. Because the damn format, and culture, and way of thinking and producing videos has seeped so deep into all aspects of our lives.
The whole mode of consuming media in an algorithmic flipbook like that weirds me out. I don’t understand how anyone can enjoy being enticed to watch videos in the way TikTok promotes.
I don't feel old.
I just feel correct and justified in never installing a foreign weapon which exposes every contact, photo, nearby device, and message to an evil dictatorship that wants us all dead in a fire (up to 2 dictatorships now).
I feel you on that. Even not being on xyz social trend of the day you still get exposed to the mentality of it by the people that are. To some extent that's fine, but it can get old really quickly.
I don't want to doom scroll all day and night. I don't want to socialize on media and follow people or have followers. Random people are not my entertainment. I don't need my phone in my hand 24/7.
My take is that I will live my life by my culture. If people see me be me and follow my example, great. If people think I'm a weirdo, oh well I'll just go do my own thing.
Tiktok was lit until late 2020, when they really started clamping down on subversive content at the behest of the US.
We will see 100% of tiktok users uninstall. Even 200%, 300% 400% up to 500% and more including 600%. Percents like no one has seen.
Breaking News: TikTok user counts plummet into negative numbers!
Not sure if this is parody-ing a certain orangie's math fail, or genuinely confused.
Meanwhile https://joinloops.org/ and https://joinpeertube.org/ keep getting better and better
Hopefully more creators will take notice and at least crosspost their content on better platforms too.
...We can't keep doing this, guys
fingers to temples
The fucking top is formatted right, then this lmao. We look like ass at first impression. I'm on a Oneplus 11. Is this fringe hardware?
I think it might be because you are using an embedded browser window in whatever lemmy app you are using. When I go in through firefox mobile it looks fine.
Ah ha! Yes, this was voyager's fault.
False alarm!
but that looks like an embedded firefox, in custom tabs mode. I think it's common for apps to open links in your default browser that way.
that being said, it works correctly here with and without javascript, in firefox, opened from voyager, so I don't get it
What browser are you using? It works fine for me on Android Firefox. Even with JavaScript disabled.
Now you can see 30 of the same reposted tiktok spam blasting low quality live music instead of 10!
Oh well I guess it doesn't matter anyway because if you try to update the app anyway it just downloads an invalid APK lol
for the one peertube server i wanted to follow something on, i couldnt figure out how to point the peertube ios app to an arbitrary peertube server. seems not in the fediverse spirit
The web instances work pretty well, that's a shame the iOS app didn't work for you. I'm only a consumer not a producer of video content so I interact with a fedi microblogging platform instead of having an account on a peertube platform itself. The Android app seemed okay but following users with RSS and interacting via my microblogging account, as well as directly checking my favorite platforms' sites occasionally for serendipity seems to work the best for me.
I'm sure with the fundraising blitz the apps will get better too this year.
I find it funny that millions of people had no problem with an evil foreign government like the CCP, that's well known for collecting data for military purposes and spending mind boggling amounts on propaganda campaigns, controlling the app, but now draw the line at some Silicon Valley billionaire doing essentially the same thing.
I never liked the short content format so I never had an interest downloading TikTok, but I knew that I would never, ever download it when I learned that this Chinese app is actually banned in China. They a have a separate clone of this app that's exclusive to China that uses a different algorithm that promotes positive and educational content. The fact that billions of people use this shitty weaponized piece of Chinese spyware is depressing, especially when the Fediverse exists.
Well for starters - The United States government is kicking in doors in my local area right now.
The CCP would have to travel many thousand miles to kick in my door.
That's a false sense of security. The CCP doesn't need to kick down your door to weaponize your data. It should be common sense to not trust an authoritarian regime.
OK, as an American in the USA, what is the worst China can do to me with my "weaponized data" that is worse or the equivalent of me being tracked down and summarily executed a death squad which is the worst thing that the Trump regime can do with my data (which every US corporation is willing to hand over to them). It's not that I trust the Chinese government. I just don't care about them right now because my country is being destroyed by Nazis and find it bizarre that anyone would still be trying to sell us the "beware the Yellow Peril looming in the east!" neoliberal cold war horseshit.
Remember in the 80s when scary Japan was supposedly about to morph into some sort economic singularity and wipe us out with a thousand ultra mega Pearl Harbors all at once? Kind of reminds of the shit we hear about China today.
You know back then it was perfectly fine to be cozy with the PRC even as they propped up the murderous Khmer Rouge regime. But hey they illegally invaded Vietnam and cut ties with the Soviets so we loved them then. When Vietnam liberated Cambodia the official US narrative was that Vietnam was bullying the poor Khmer Rouge and the genocide was just a smear campaign to make our friend China look bad. Vietnam was the big bad yellow peril enemy then.
And now, Vietnam, still just as communist, still authoritarian, is our friend now!
Funny how the propaganda shifts like this depending on who's befitting from it. Tomorrow it will be someone else. But go on about how this time the "Yellow Peril" threat is real this time.
But didn't you know they're occupying our cities! They're killing innocent civilians and rounding up black and brown and indigenous civilians and forcing them into camps!
No, wait. That's the us government. My bad.
China is harvesting our data and weaponizing it! You see they're taking the data and umm... sharpening it into punji sticks or something.
Look what ever they're doing it's evil and bad. And way worse than our home grown Palantir genocide machine.
What a load of bootlicking crap.
It's very simple, if you're willing to go to such lengths to defend China using spyware, collecting your data, and using it as they please... then why not go use Chinese social media yourself? If you think China is a non threat and all the concerns people have about it are fugazi, then why not go use their platforms? They're bigger, have way more content, way more users, and they're better developed than the Fediverse... again why you here if you don't value things like privacy, freedom, ownership, and control over your data? It sounds to me like you have inconsistent values.
What is wrong with you? Are you even a person? Did you actually read what I said? Because this is boiler plate bot shit "why you defend China" (when I was fucking talking about the PRC's support of the Cambodian Genocide?) is getting very tiresome.
Get some new material or go home. Fucking pathetic. It's worse than talking to MAGA Nazis.
Did YOU read what you said?
Your entire spiel from before was literally nothing more than a collection of fallacies. You used a false equivalence by comparing worst case domestic repression (death squads) to foreign data misuse, which are fundamentally different types of risk and not logically comparable. It engages in whataboutism by deflecting concerns about China’s data access with references to American authoritarian threats, which doesn’t actually refute the original concern. The argument also builds a straw man by reducing all China related security worries to racist “Yellow Peril” panic, ignoring more nuanced, non racial critiques about state power and influence. Finally, it also leans on appeals to extreme outcomes and fear, invoking Nazis and executions to shut down debate rather than assess proportional, evidence based risks. Together, these fallacies prove two things: 1) You're engaging in bad faith and 2) your points were inherently flawed and logically unsound.
Like what even is the thesis supposed to be, that the concerns about China aren't real or serious because propaganda exists or because other threats exist? It's such a nonsensical take. People aren't concerned about China because of propaganda, they're concerned because China's actions, intentions, and track record raise a lot of red flags that are concerning. It doesn't take a genius to see that something nefarious is going on with these Chinese apps. Like for example...
These are are valid concerns that you're trying to conveniently dismiss because you're either ignorant of them or you're being dishonest. Like do you not find any of these things even slightly concerning? Trying to chalk up these legitimate concerns as nothing more than product of fearmongering and propaganda is the most intellectually lazy way to dismiss them because you can't be bothered to parse through the implications and consequences.
If you don't care about things like privacy, tyranny, freedom, ownership, safety, and the like then that's your problem. However, just because you don't care that doesn't mean others don't or that their concerns are product of propaganda. If anything that's a more of a reflection of you and how your own beliefs came to be. Your stance, even if we ignore all the fallacies, isn't even a principled one. At least what I'm saying is consistent and principled. You on the other hand? You're acting smug over a disingenuous, fallacious, and inconsistent stance, it's, as you would say, fucking pathetic.
You can’t worry about your taxes when your house is on fire man.
yes you can, if tomorrow you'll be thrown in jail for your taxes
You're missing the point.
China might use your data and hurt you in some far future, whereas the USA will use your data right now in a direct and violent way.
I can explain how the US government having access to the database of all of TikTok's data might directly result in a visit from ICE. The path to damage caused by China may exist too, but is much more nebulous, and much more difficult for China to execute on.
Yes, if you are in a government position, or in the army, you probably shouldn't use TikTok under China's management. But Joe Schmoe from California has little to materially fear from them. But he does have reason to fear the USA government who might well come over and arrest him.
I think we agree on that. my point is, we don't need to use neither usa tech or chinese tech for our social media platforms. we shouldn't celebrate china being there "to save us".
also, I think china could still hurt us, on the short term, by manipulating elections and other things through manipulating public opinion and the values people hold. they have both the data and the channels to execute it.
You are right, we don't need either but you are already preaching to the choir as you are here in the fediverse.
if you're still scared of china at this point the propaganda has unfortunately broken through and taken root in your brain stem, i'm sorry, there's very little any of us can do to help you
That's a false dichotomy. I'm not going to suddenly spread my ass for a shitty authoritarian regime like the CCP because the US government is going through it. If you want to lube up for Chinese spyware and data collection then that's on you. Personally, I'm not going to let a fallacious false binary like this cloud my judgement, I'll always strive to own, protect, and control my data from governments, corporations, or whoever.
Your horse were not on fire when TikTok got introduced en masse.
So yeah, look for excusses
It's been on fire a long time buddy.
Respectfully, the CCP has been less of a direct threat than the US government as of late and most dont trust the government so why would they trust the propaganda? This isnt to say the CCP isnt a problem but are they as much of a direct threat to American citizens than ICE and such?... ICE has now murdered more than one citizen in cold blood.
P.S. People need more education as to what the Fediverse is but until then they will always go with whats easier to use and access.
That's such a nonsensical take. Because you don't trust the US government, you're go to thought is to hand over your data to an opaque authoritarian regime like the CCP? What kind of a bullshit false dichotomy is that? Fuck that, my data is my data. It doesn't belong to any government, corporation, or anybody who isn't me or someone that I explicitly give consent to use my data. That's the principled take.
No, I am just explaining to you why people have used it. Humans do human things.. being upset at it wont change the why. Citizens are terrified of the current threat. Not one miles away. Humans are wired to react to immediate danger.
I still disagree with that notion. That's not normal human behavior. You're making it sound as if people can only process the top immediate threat and disregard the rest. But that's not humans work. Humans are able to have and process multiple threats at once. If what you're saying is true then nobody would care about what's going on in Ukraine, Iran, or Gaza because these conflicts are so far away... yet so many people do even though they face problems in their home countries that are much closer, more imminent, and have greater impact on their daily lives... like inflation or climate change or increased government tyranny.
The point is that it doesn't make sense from a logical point of view to reject a shitty government for being authoritarian and then disregard another shitty government that's also authoritarian, if not more so. A rational person does process both as being threats for similar reasons. That's a consistent and principled take. The one and only reason why one would cozy up to one over the other is because of ignorance, which is precisely what I think is going on here.
because visually it's not coming from the government but "independent content creators". and regardless of who says it, people will trust propaganda that says things they want to hear, then over time, start trusting those who say that
Based on recent evidence, maybe the CCP > US Government.
that does not make them good, but fortunately we don't have to accept either, right?
People on here are unfortunately very ignorant on the doings of the CCP. People here don't realize that the US hasn't lapsed China in tyranny, they're merely catching up. The CCP has mastered authoritarianism to the point where they're in a league of their own.
Regardless, it doesn't matter either way because it's not a competition. If we walk down the path choosing between two evils, we'll quickly find ourselves racing to the bottom, and we all lose. Luckily, it doesn't have to be that way, we can simply reject tyranny in its entirety regardless of country, ideology, or regime.
Okay well first that typo is staying, second I used to be minorly involved in politics (by which I mean fundraising for a homeless shelter feels and smells a lot like politics even if your goals are more altruistic) and I learned one valuable thing. The right thing morally and the right thing politically are rarely the same, and when it looks like they are you should investigate closer and reevaluate because you're probably missing something important. That's why government is almost always evil.
Vine used to be so fun and simple.
That was fucking eons ago.
Its replacement has so many issues on many levels.
That's because Vine was designed to be fun and simple. Users only had 7 seconds to make a memorable video, and so people got really creative with it. You can't possibly convey anything of value in such a short duration, so people just used the platform for fun.
something something limitations encourage creativity
a tale as old as time
Let them form their video version while we keep our text and I'll have one less shit to flip
Don't we have that?
fuck if i know i'm a texto
Pixelfed I think? Though it's developed by the same guy as whatever the Instagram clone is called so it's been kind of slow to become usable?
pixelfed is the instagram clone im pretty sure, loops is the tiktok clone
I accept your reality and add it to my own.
My siblings were debating issues with it and about how willing they were to just deal with it.
I'm just shocked at how addicted everyone is to it that it could probably say "Trump is watching all users' front cameras while the app is open" and kids would still be like "hmmm what are the odds he watches me though?
But everybody's a zombie.
I mean I downloaded it, back really early, to take a peek. After 15 minutes, I decided I hated the short format, and peaced out.
It seems to largely be a generational thing. Millennials are (in my perception) mostly on it just to make money, zoomers just want that crack IV drip.
Obviously this is just a trend, and there are counter examples everywhere, but that seems to be more true than not. At least from the outside looking in.
And given it's totally obnoxious censorship rules, now I have to deal with hearing about people getting "unalived", or "adult fun time", and "p 3 dee oh" from creators that multistream. Even without being there, I'm forced to experience the cancer secondhand.
That's my main problem with it. None of the other problems affect me directly much since I've always avoided it, but that is smeared all over my shit.
More enshitification. Whatever the current "administration" touches turns to shit, dies, and rots.
Boycott everything you can that's from the US. Even if you are IN the fucking US. Nazis are not your friends (and if they are, fuck you, you're a Nazi too).
the only socially acceptable interaction with a nazi, is punching the nazi.
FTFY
You can't uninstall that which was never installed.
Right? Didn't want Chinese propaganda or Chud propaganda. Ezpz
I continue to argue that it was nothing but a Psyop campaign to test how to manipulate the American public by the chinese government. and tI doubt that lingering, baseline purpose has changed at all with the new right wing propagandist owners.
Just look at all those insane "trends" it got people to do, like Kicking in strangers front doors, assaulting people, destroying public property, etc etc.
It turned violent sociopathy into an upvoteable activity.
Cinnamon challenge. Planking. Flash mobs. Harlem shake. Tiktok isn't responsible or necessary for people to do stupid viral shit
"You're wrong on your opinion of apples! So heres a list of positives about oranges that totally disproves your comments about apples!"
Ok then.
Happy slapping. Gallon smashing. Salt and ice. Those ones violently stupid enough for you?
Happy slapping was mental, it started happening like the absolute moment we were able to share videos online
100% agreed
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Yeah exactly. 150% is good. 1500% would be better.
100% of users is best
600 per cent of users
Should be higher, save your selves
Facebook, Insta, YouTube. I know they're fun and entertaining. But they're all destroying your mental health. I promise you'll be happier if you pull the plug on all of them. Delete your account. Touch grass. Volunteer, talk to your neighbors, start a social club.
Besides Lemmy, I left everything else in 2014. Growing up with it all and now seeing the other side….. I’m worried about people.
Lmao amount of ppl defending TikTok in the comment is funny af
I will defend TicTacs to my dying day!!
Tbh I learned a lot about other cultures through tiktok and recently the US have proven that no matter how much chest pounding about freedom they do, they can be just as authoritarian as any other, even ignoring the invasion of other countries, literally murdering their citizens in the streets and abusing women and minorities, so the app being owned by a Chinese company was not really as big of an issue as others have made it out to be.
Now that ownership has changed, there's an active suppression of american sensitive topics on the platform, so that's already a visible downgrade.
I wish someone more neutral could offer a real alternative that people would jump on.
Technically speaking, the application has egregious security concerns that have been well documented. A shame that most of its users don't care or are ignorant to this.
Isn't that the same case for Facebook, Instagram, x-twitter?
mate... the US is by far the most evil country on the international stage, the whole china scare stuff was the US telling everyone what they've been doing to US-owned social media all along... this is nothing new or surprising, if you're just now waking up to this reality I'm sorry you've been asleep for so long, but I'm sorry to let you know this is gonna get worse before it gets better. The only chance the US has of avoiding falling deeper into fascism is to have a socialist revolution.
Lol what a ridiculous comment. The US has issues but it's nowhere near the worst
KSA and North Korea are easily worse. In terms of raw human suffering though the US is up there.
Deleted it. My wife then naturally sent me a DM of a thing asking if I could build it cheaper. Reinstalled to see the video, then deleted again.
There are a lot of content creators there I enjoyed but c'est la vie.
If you’re on iOS there are add-ins and such so that the link opens in mobile view in safari without issue.
That’s what I use to view my wife’s TikTok videos she sends me still after I deleted the app.
You can kinda use it to watch a single video on firefox on android, but you have to log in (that's my experience)
I never had to log in ever when looking at TikTok videos nnt friends sent. Live streams though have to log in.
Ok, but what are the counts for uninstalls generally? 150% sounds like a lot, but if it’s only a thousand uninstalls a week then it’s only jumped to 1,500 uninstalls. When there are millions of users, that’s…not very much.
I’m not arguing against progress. I’m just saying they are making it sound like this big exodus when it might be minimal in reality.
If they're up 150% and it was 1000 before, it'd now be 2500. Your point still stands, of course.
Yes, you’re correct. Math is difficult and I forgot to add the 100% on top of the original number. Thank you!
China was spying on me in case I had any useful state secrets. America is spying on me because they are actively exploiting every data point in my life for profit and control.
Which could also be manipulation. Young TikTok watchers are only a fraction of the voters. The change in outcome could mainly be driven by excluding the right-wing candidate from the second election.
Google refused, as a consequence, are blocked by the Great Firewall. Microslop bent the knee and continues to operate until China gets an alternative going.
hahahaha that's a good one. they all are so addicted they will reinstall it in a week.
My life has only gotten worse since getting addicted to forums and social media. I've become much less productive as well. Feels bad :(
If you consider reading and writing as part of productivity then you became more productive! /s
I wish I could be part of this 150% but I’ve never used TikTok
I just recently deleted my account and uninstalled the app. I'm not going to lie, it was hard because I had finally curated my algo to some pretty decent content that wasn't just brainrot trash.
But I'd rather be bored than give Oracle anything.
EDIT: Also Loops is neat from a technical standpoint, but it feels like a ghost town coming from TikTok.
A lot of these services really hinge on a tight-knit community of active content producers who fuel engagement and reap some kind of dividend on the back end.
Loops is a technology but it's not much of a business. The company is literally run by just two guys. They're not going to bring on prolific content producers without a much more aggressive marketing strategy.
I don't understand the hype about TikTok anyway. I installed it few weeks ago, and uninstalled few days later because how boring and useless the app is.
I must be old.
The main thing that TikTok had going for it was it was open to both left and right contact and it would show you exactly the content you are interested in due to there algorithm.
It being purchased as caused a lot of issues with that feed being laggy and having issues with mostly left wing content spreading what is happening with Ice and stuff.
But yeah a endless scroll-able system isn't for everyone obviously.
I don't believe that for a minute. The CCP just had more subtle methods for suppressing content critical of them.
The owner is Singaporean not Chinese. Also yes there was plenty of content that I have been able to find that is critical of the CCP
Zhang Yiming? I could only find him denying he's Singaporean. Everything says he's Chinese. It could be bullshit if he's cozying up to the PRC, but that only proves my point.
You probably uninstalled it before the algo figured out what really hits your engagement, which is the point at which it becomes addictive.
You must be 80 if you can't understand these very basic concepts that attracts kids.
There are more than "kids" using that app. Plenty of adults and military personnel use it for news. Hilarious but true.
To call them all kids means you're old too. 😊
I am 30 so close enough.
I am classically conditioned to hate autoplay videos from the era of auto play ads on websites.
That era is still alive and well, unfortunately. I had to use a browser without an adblocker the other day and I'm pretty sure it gave me PTSD.
It still happens on fucking lemmy of all places. Looking at that stupid cbsnews url with revulsion...
Wow. That is a giant number. The change made was not good.
If previously there we 1'000 uninstalls per day, not there are 1'500. Relative numbers like that are useless.
No, your example is only a 50% increase. A 150% increase of 1000 is 2500.
Assuming cnbc clickbait headlines can math of course. Bold assumption.
My comment wasn’t about the article, it was about the other commenter’s bad math. But the article does actually say it increased by 150%.
Yup, my comment wasn't about your good math, it was about my low expectations of the source :)
I did not specify the % so I am save :3
If they're "up 150%" then it's now 2500.
Correct, but I did not specify the % so I am save :3
Up 150% sounds crazy... but like, what's the rate of installs vs uninstalls here? How has the rate of installs changed?
Yeah if 4 people uninstalled the program last time, and 6 people uninstalled it this time, that's a 150% increase from last time.
4 -> 6 would be a 50% increase, or 150% of the previous number. 4 -> 10 would be a 150% increase, or 250% of the previous number.
Nope. Your math is wrong. 6 people uninstalling would be a 50% increase from the 4 since 2 (the extra people uninstalling) is 50% of 4. For a 150% INCREASE you'd need 10 to uninstall (4 for the origional, 4 more for the extra 100%, and 2 on top of that for the extra 50%).
I understand TikTok to be the bastion of communication and community for Gen Z.
But so much of the content is uncreative. The same songs and sound effects to some stupid reaction video.
That said, I do hope TikTok crashes and burns so the new owner loses on their bid. And I do really hope Gen Z can collectively find a new platform to communicate on freely because TikTok has been a force for them just as Twitter and Reddit was for Millenials.
Dear God. My friend sent me a video about some Japanese person with some cooking method or something that he recommended I should make try. The video he sent me was annoying as fuck. It was a couple screaming at each other: "OMG IS THAT THE NEW JAPANESE ____ METHOD?" "YES I THINK I'VE HEARD OF THAT" interspersed with the actual narration-free video. Had to stop it after 4-6 seconds.
I asked my friend how he could even stand watching it the video and he said his brain filters it out. I don't know why it just repulsed me so much.
There's also many videos with some person just playing another's person's video and they just point a finger upward to the actual playing video with some useless look on their face and the nodding.
I think this is the nature of these TikTok videos but I'm not really on TikTok much, I just get them sent to me every once in a while.
They bought it to control the narrative on important topics so a loss isn't a big deal to them. You apparently already can't talk about Epstein and anti-ICE stuff gets hidden.
Enshittification, baby. Once people know where the feed bar is, they just keep slapping it until pellets stop falling out. The Algorithm rewards imitation, not invention.
How is that different from most social media platforms, though? Have tried browsing an uncurated YouTube recently? If there's any incentive to boost views and engagement, people will optimize for that.
I’m also fairly sure that Gen Z has been moving on for a while now.
Careful on your uninstall, once my wife uninstalled from her phone*, all of a sudden her account can't re-connect to delete her data. There's lots of talk about this on the forums. Delete your account and uninstall all at once.
I would uninstall TikTok too but unfortunately I have never installed in a first place.
Guess what, I never created an account. I just can't get into that quick content, I find it boring after 5 minutes, without substance. I tried both youtube shorts and instagram reels, boring! I prefer long talks or analysis on youtube.
I could get behind Vine back in the day, because it's 6 second time limit bred a lot of creativity. But that's about it
But what about videos of people farting?
But what about videos of DOGS farting?
For anyone looking for new alternatives, I'm sure most Lemmy users can suggest more open-source pubfed options, but for anyone trying to generate a bit more presence (not that there's much) I did find a YouTube video highlighting some "indie social media" sites, mostly focusing on nostalgia of simpler versions of the historically popular ones.
Having the whole world operate off of publically-owned shared systems is probably an ideal, but having them at least in tight competition, with easy destinations to abandon off to, is still quite a bit better.
I hate how percentages from 100% and up are used ambiguously.
e.g. 150% vs +150%
I 200% agree with this.
💯
I interpret "up %150" as + %150
The vague part is:
say uninstalls are 1000 / day, so that's 100%
up 150% is 2500 / day, so 250% of nominal
or is it :)
You’re very right, though for me the abiguity comes from not being confident the person using the thing understands.
I think you already get this, but “Applications are 150% of normal” means you add 50% and “applications are up 150%” means you add 1.5x the original. There’s really no room for interpretation it’s just that errors happen anyway.
This wouldn't be an issue if people learned the difference between "percentage" and "percentage points".
The guy literally said to ramp up government surveillance so that citizens are on their best behaviour. So anyone still using TikTok after this is asking for it.
Never downloaded it...
It was an almost perfect medium for sharing cooking videos and recipes, can anyone suggest a replacement?
Don't worry I've already uninstalled it (months ago when Ellison bought a majority stake) but I haven't found a replacement short-form video platform for recipes yet
Youtube and instagram are really the only other options, and in this instance youtube is the lesser of 3 evils
YouTube but I use it from ecosia so it doesn't show me 4000 ads per video...
I love Rednote!! Its so much more wholesome!
This was my first thought too but unfortunately the app doesn't play nice with grapheneOS
CCP software when we should be moving towards EU software
I remember when tiktok was getting blocked. People got pretty riled up that they didn't have access to their propaganda app anymore.
The US fascists are doing a hard push on all social media in general ramping up at least since a few weeks ago. Seth Andrew's thinking atheist channel was dropped for no reason from yt, which by itself isn't unheard of, but several other popular religious debate channels (deconstruction zone, allegedly Ian, etc) are seeing a huge drop in opposition, religious callers starting at the same time when much of those were coming from TikTok and yt giving them a fair shake at recommendations based on their view counts. Yt is delisting or excluding from search results videos more now instead of demonetizing as well.
If I had the bucks I would short them big time.
👏👏👏👏👏
Good
It was the same brand of red fascism before and after. Algorithm and databases still in Beijing, a few days ago the backup on Oracle went online.
Everyone will probs be back in a few days anyway
Is nobody else concerned that "they" know when software is installed or uninstalled?
No? Why wouldn't they know? Lots of ways to track that data. Google and apple both keep that data for statistics and app popularity tracking.
I love that this guy thinks the multiple billion dollar companies that make his smart phone exist that we know are selling our data thinks those same comapanies aren't watching everything we do.
That's right buddy. Amidst all these articles about data mining, nobody is watching what you do on your phone.
Dude, you think they don't know when you uninstall an app? Bill Gates has audio of you jerking off and can name the type of porn and time and date he got the audio.
iOS and Android provide these statistics to app developers. Anonymized stats on installs and account statuses are totally fair telemetry imo.
i deleted Tiktok years ago
thank god people are deleting it (cause i remember it being Toxic and stuff)
While installs are up by how much?
Doesn't mention installs for tiktok, but does mention that tiktok usage remained flat, but competing apps have seen an increase in downloads.
"However, the increase in uninstalls has not translated into a meaningful drop in U.S. usage.
TikTok’s active user levels in the U.S. have remained relatively flat compared with the previous week, according to Sensor Tower.
Competing apps, however, have seen a bump in interest. Sensor Tower data shows U.S. downloads for UpScrolled increased more than tenfold compared with the prior week, while Skylight Social rose 919% and Chinese-owned Rednote climbed 53% week over week."
at least it won't be zuccerslop
unlike us here, people on feacesbook and instagram never sh*t on suckerberg?
Mwahahaha!!
Mildly entertained how fast it went from a bill to give the executive power to designate applications as security threats and ban them to then it being abused. A lot of folks saying the EFF and ACLU were wrong this time and then the EFF and ACLU being right less than 2 years after the bill passing. And it’s not like TikTok has been around all that long. 2021 all the pearl clutching about China’s influence ruining the youth just look at the zoomers entering the workforce - the app was popular for like 2 years at that point. Everyone people were complaining about were raised on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter. Not only that, TikTok was about the only social media platform that leftist were pretty good at compared to right wingers. The ridiculous dichotomy of leftist supporting a bill to ban TikTok while TikTok was core to the lefts grassroots outreach and networking. So now TikTok is right wing owned and Instagram and YouTube are still the same kind of content that people blamed TikTok for and have had for much longer.
That bill in 2024 was a Democratic Party self own especially when the bill wasn’t even TikTok specific. Somehow saw masked plain clothes federal agents kidnapping people in 2020 to pretty much no consequence and decided in 2024, the federal government won’t abuse this bill
You had installed already?
I just find it sad this is actually logged. Uninstalls, that is.
I feel like I remember the tankies saying something about there being no potential issues with using TikTok. Has there been any reaction in the triad?
The issues with tiktok started in 2020 when Trump threatened to ban it after they organized RSVPing one of his rallies and he performed in a mostly empty stadium.
Tiktok responded by hiring state department ghouls to oversee moderation, then 2020 popped off and they clamped down even harder.
There were never issues with the chinese government. The issue was always with the US government.
the issues with tiktok started when it was first announced. It's sad that it got "heroified" through the gaza events
Which issues are you talking about? That it collects as much data as Insta and Snapchat?
But you don't hear shit about those two, because 1. They're owned by US companies who handed user data to the US from day 1 and 2. They were never used for organizing against the regime.
The issues I'm talking about is that the US was influencing the algorithm.
well, yes most people dont know that about instagram and snapchat, but I do, main reasons why I was refusing both since years. I think tiktok is worse. I still hear people admitting it is much more addictive than facebook's platforms. that they are surprised how quickly it learns your "interests". and part of the app's functionality in code when it is opened? it is changing how it works when it detects a debugger? it behaved like malware from the beginning. it was spreading surprisingly fast too, I can't believe it was organic growth. at some point it was preinstalled bloatware on all new phones, besidss the ranks of facebook and twitter, maybe still is.
Tiktok was THE platform for pro-gaza content and solidarity. Leaks from Congress proves this. It's a shell of what it once was now that the US oligarchs are in control of it and have turned it into their right wing spyware platform.
Blocked for unironically using the word 'tankie'.
Lmao
I mean, you guys have legitimately genocidal folks like yogthos that your admins pat on the head as they bludgeon their way through every conversation with 4chan speak. I do not respect you enough to feel offended by your absence. If you don’t like the word, sort out your tankie users.
Armenian and Bosnian.
I genuinely have no clue about the goings on of any African nation, besides Kenya. And mostly just the soccer bits through a coworker. I wish I were informed enough to engage with you on what seems to be an accusation, but if something’s happened in South Africa and it doesn’t involve musk’s weird intrafamilial spouse trading family, I probably don’t know about it.
Your link’s dead
I don’t see yogthos in this, so I don’t- wait, you misunderstood. I said yogthos was a fan of genocide, not either of you admins. No, both you and your fellow dev just seem sleep starved and politically hugboxxy, not genocidey. Which you’re allowed to be, you made the site and it seems to take a lot of your time.
Though I wish you’d define the political hugbox a bit more explicitly in the sidebar. Banning for inobvious rules will always produce animosity from new users. You’re not doing yourselves any favors by hiding it behind euphemisms.
The only person I know who ever denied the Armenian genocide was Cenk Uygur, which he later walked back.
An Bosnian genocide is much more controversial. That the Srebrenica massacre constituted genocide had been refuted by a number of scholars, including Noam Chomsky, Edward Herman, and Michael Parenti.
I get that you want to stand by your most loyal users and political theory, but jfc
Thanks for the generous proportions, I guess.
Ok tankie
Ok fascist
Well hold on, I'm neither of these things, but isn't tankie a communist thing? And if so, why would somebody calling a duck a duck automatically be a fascist? Unless, is anybody that is not a communist a fascist?? I thought fascists were auth right, specifically?
Tankie is a pejorative for communists that gets unilaterally branded onto people by anti-communists. I'm happy to declare people using it unironically to be fascists, and if you don't agree with that, well, tough luck, you were the one who started throwing around snarl words
I think you're missing my question. I'm asking you if communists actually consider all non communists to be fascists. I'm genuinely unsure.
No. They don't