France will replace Microsoft Teams, Google Meet, Zoom, Webex and others with its own sovereign video conferencing application "Visio" for public officials
https://numerique.gouv.fr/sinformer/espace-presse/souverainete-numerique-etat-visio-solution-visioconference-agents-publics/Open linkView original on lemmus.org1946
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Once these countries leave, they'll never go back. And then the rest of us get better alternatives to this enshitification model.
Seriously, enshitification is the only thing US companies do well these days. They just dig deeper moats around their walled gardens because they’re too greedy to make decent products that people actually want.
Enshittification, AI slop and fascism are America's greatest exports. And that's not even a joke.
We grow pretty good weed too, that isn't nothing.
Not exported overseas though.
I have a feeling it probably must be though. What other countries are pumping out literal metric tons annually?
I’m on medcan in Australia. It gets imported from everywhere but I’ve yet to come across a US grown flower.
All of the North American stuff I’ve gotten is Canadian.
My understanding is it's only legalized on a state level and not federal. So I guess if they're shipping it from an international airport or by sea the feds might see that as drug trafficking.
I absolutely mean smuggling
I live in Maine and the market is so flooded nobody can even grow straight for the black market and compete anymore, it's all spills over from licenced grows. $80/oz for top shelf if you look around a little, $100 if you don't. It's almost impossible to spend more than $200. That has to be having farther reaching effects.
I think enshitification is a product of public traded companies promising infinite growth, not necessarily a problem of US only companies.
It's also a consequence of low taxes on capital gains and corporate profits.
When those taxes were higher it made more sense to reinvest the profits back into your own company. You'd build a reputation and a structure that would pay out you and your family for a hundred years.
Now the dream is to build up a company just enough to sell it to some megacorp and cash out asap, with you and your family living off of investment money that only increases over time.
Look up LiMux and the massive Microsoft deal that followed.
That deal that totally had nothing to do with Microsoft relocating their headquarters closer to Munich
The Bavarian state government is still entirely in Microslop's pocket
Not surprised. From what I've heard from pretty much every German person I've talked to, Bavaria is basically their Texas (read UP if you're Indian, not sure about analogies for other countries).
No, please stop with this garbage misinformation. Microsoft made a (suspected) under the table deal with the Munich government at the time to setup a Microsoft office in Munich if they switched back to Windows.
That's what the news reported on endlessly. That's the narrative that keeps getting falsely repeated over and over, and no one ever checks the BS stories they spread.
The rest of the story didn't make headlines, where the new incoming Munich government said "hell no!" (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout.
Today the environment is a mix of Linux and Windows, but they already have a large focus on FOSS software.
Despite the astonishingly stupid decision to roll their own in-house distro (LiMux), the program was massively successful, with Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did.
Edit: I'm correcting something I said, they didn't "continue the Linux rollout" as they had already covered most of their systems. The current status is a mix of Windows and Linux, because they vetoed the rollback to Windows in 2020.
Citation Needed
You first
Are you afraid to provide any reference to your claim? Do you need extra time making up stuff?
"Die 43 000 städtischen Mitarbeiterinnen und Mitarbeiter nutzen also mittlerweile wieder Word, Outlook und PowerPoint [...] Einfacher sei die Software-Frage bei den Servern im städtischen Rechenzentrum zu beantworten. Zwar haben man durchaus auch Windows-Server, aber die meisten laufen mit Linux, so Gernhardt." (29. Juni 2025) https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-verwaltung-open-source-it-microsoft-li.3256886
So Linux on servers, Windows including MS Office on desktops. The migration to Linux on desktops was completely reversed.
So where is "“hell no!” (prob in German) and continued the Linux rollout"? Where has it been "garbage misinformation"? Where are the exact stats about opening tickets? After all, you claim "Linux users filling only 40% the number of tickets the Windows users did". That's pretty specific.
No. Just calling out your double standard. If you didn't provide sources for your statements, then it's rich for you to demand sources from me.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-is-shifting-back-from-microsoft-to-open-source-again/
https://youtu.be/XBRh2G29NNE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux
"In May 2020, it was reported that the newly elected politicians in Munich, while not going back to the original plan of migrating to LiMux wholesale, will prefer Free Software for future endeavours."
There are no official numbers, but the rollback to Windows was halted. It's estimated that it's currently a mix of Linux and Windows. And it's been acknowledged that the move back to Windows was almost entirely political due to influence from Microsoft.
So you lied. You claimed that Munich said "Hell no" to Microsoft Migration but here you spell it out yourself: The politicians did sell out to Microsoft and only newly elected politicians partially reversed it.
They use Windows and MS Office on desktops to this day and use Linux on servers and some FOSS tools ON WINDOWS DESKTOPS.
I was right, you lied.
Im not an expert on this, but it seems like Ms was worried that success of Limux would be the drip that starts the trickle so to speak. It made sense for them to do whatever it took to patch that leak.
Things have really changed since then though. Valve has been very successful in a Linux end user environment, and Eu is becoming disenfranchised from the US rather than Microsoft specifically.
I think Munich's motivations were financial, but Frances will be ideological.
With these things in mind, the calculus has changed. That doesn't necessarily mean France won't fail, but id be surprised if Microsoft pursues them in the same way.
Don't listen to that other commenter. They're wrong about the Munich LiMux story. It keeps getting repeated but it's not correct.
While I would love to see them never going back, here in Germany, all it takes is some corrupt politician taking a huge bribe from a lobbyist and swoosh, they are back to Microslop.
Edit: Knowing our little corrupt fuckers in charge in German politics, the bribe probably doesn't even have to be mediocre.
In Australia a lobbyist would get that for around 10k AUD from Labor and probably 6 from the Coalition.
Our system (in the end it's the same no matter where you are) is so fucked up :/ Kids need to learn empathy and selflessness as the most important school subject.
Munich went open source / Linux a couple of years ago, ditching Microsoft. Using a big budget to convert everything and support employees etc. It was a huge act.
...Then they went back to Microsoft in yet another huge act, using a big budget. And then never revealed the budget for the last one. Which is really weird, considering its public money.
edit: just wanted to say that when idiots get power, there is always a way back. No matter how obviously stupid that would be
Also improves Teams/slows the enshitifcation. It's harder to make the product bad when it's hardly a monopoly.
Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.
ETA: I'm not defending Microsoft's usage of the term 'Visio' here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like 'Word' or 'SQL Server'. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I'm just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.
Microslop can cry about it.
I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.
And because of that confusion they will have a trademark complaint
It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).
Gosh, someone should tell the Microsoft teams team that Microsoft teams for business and Microsoft teams for personal and Microsoft teams for students are also using the same names and make communication difficult. They should get a copilot team on it
In that case we'll call it Frisio, French Visio.
People who use Visio, probably wont even have (the wrong) Visio installed. There shouldn’t be any confusion.
Now replace Windows with Linux, and fucking invest into not needing to use American-controlled CPUs as every single one of them contains a backdoor.
I don't understand why governments trust official matters in the hands of closed source software and suspicious hardware. Even China uses a special version of Windows 11 in public computers, this is nuts.
China has been working intensely for at least 2 decades to catch up, and they are still about a decade behind!
Netherlands has ASML which is a huge advantage for European independent manufacturing, but even with that it's an insanely expensive investment to make a realistic competitor to AMD, Intel, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Broadcom etc. because they have loads of patents that are hard to avoid, and they have decades of know how. This is not even accounting for the software infra structure that would have to be built almost from scratch.
Chip production is a global enterprise, and even USA isn't independent anymore. They depend on ASML and TSMC for their most popular products in AI, Smartphones, servers, laptops and desktops. And more and more Arm is taking over from Intel/AMD.
What we may be able to do would be using Arm and have TSMC help us with manufacturing. But to make such a project succeed is not an easy thing, we had European computer companies in the 70's and 80's that were heavily subsidized by governments that dominated home markets for several European countries, and they essentially all failed against international competition.
So what we risk if we were required to use a European product funded by EU/European governments would be to have to use an overpriced under-performing technology, that would be a millstone around the neck of all of Europe, making Europe not catch up, but instead fall further behind.
China doesn't care about patents of outsiders.
Seems to me that it’s time for the rest of the world to invalidate US IP and go from there.
And the rules based international order has been exposed as the wink during a handshake deal. Who cares about patent law?
He is talking about software. A fucking video conferencing tool not controlled by American tech is no ASML level investment.
We could at least start with this
I wouldn't say that so fast. The kit Vision uses is from a partner of Grok.
Ignorance, mostly. It's sad but Chinese leaders seem to listen to their experts, while EU leaders listen to CEOs, and of large companies only.
... Pretty much every CPU contains backdoors, not just american ones. The Chinese government does the exact same thing as the American government. They are two sides of the same coin but the Chinese government seems more competent and efficient unlike the US government.
Even if the hardware doesn't have backdoors, the firmware often will, which you also can't get around with software.
The tier after that is software which also has a lot of back doors, luckily, you can run Linux and open source software. That is the best you can do. Really the only thing you can "trust" not to have backdoors is MCUs because those backdoors are much more likely to need physical access.
Sadly, our entire tech world is built on backdoors and intentional security flaws to enable easier debugging, recovery, and compliance with government law enforcement after the sale.
Here's my guess, and I could be completely wrong.
All the governments use 2 sets of computers. The first, is a closed network used only internally. Open source, connected as a network, but NOT connected to outside neteorks. This uses closed source OS that they themselves develop. No backdoors. Highly secured.
The second set is what you know. Windows 11, backdoors, easily spied on. Intentionally left open, because that's their way to spy on the other countries.
They leave this open, to let themselves be spied on, so that they can spy on the other side. Neither side realizing they're both doing the same thing, and both sides just getting mostly useless info.
Then, to throw off the trail of it being useless info, they occasionally allow a juicy bit of info into their windows computer. Just so it's not obvious that this isn't the real info.
I have zero evidence, and came up with this theory after reading your comment. So I could be very wrong.
You put way too much trust in governments if you think they can be this organized.
This is only a part of france's "LaSuite" (very original name guys), that seemingly will replace every equivalent american service.
https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/
They generally work pretty well (demo on the site) and are a mix of homegrown solutions and rebrands of existing projects like matrix. All of them are open source.
And all their videos are on Peertube!
![email protected]
Unfortunately source code is still hosted on GitHub...
Sadly they don't allow anyone to follow their instance, so finding their videos and interacting isn't possible. But at least it's a step.
You can follow from PieFed 🙂
They should have called it "du coup" for that authentic frenchness.
I'd also accept Honhon
And the apps have docker for easy setup! I was expecting something very convoluted and not suitable for tinkerers. What's good/bad is that the the apps seem to be deployed independently. Would love to have single user for everything. Need to read a bit further to see how it's done
To have a single user with multiple services you usually use a separate oauth provider, in the french government's case that's France connect but authelia is a good self-hosted option.
It's possible these ones have a built-in system for this though, I haven't checked.
I might not have explained well. Not only a single user, but a connected one. If I'm in the chat app and want to share a file, to show automatically my cloud drive, to jump from text chat to video call video call or to have a notification on the chat app when an invite with a video call is received.
As much as I hate MS, almost everything I do with teams and outlook alone.
tbh I really don't know for this solution, but you might like nextcloud, it's exactly what you're looking for, each part of the site is connected in that way.
Thanks, I used to have it. It died on me multiple times in the past (I'm sure I'm ultimately at fault) so I'm a bit wary.
For lasuite I'm thinking about it's long term staying power in France institutions and adaption by other agencies/companies.
There will be a big pushback by users, so the smoother the better
Yeah nextcloud is a bit of a beast to manage alone. Tell you what, I'll try selfhosting LaSuite sometime and I'll tell you if it has it or not.
I guess they're all cloud tools? Or is there something I can install in my laptop?
They're all cloud tools, but if you have a spare computer and some knowledge you can host it yourself.
Yes and yes but no interest in self hosting
To be fair, I find the idea of a government outsourcing IT needs to entities under the sovereignty of foreign governments kind of fundamentally problematic to begin with.
Good on them, but I Wonder why they can't just build on top of something open source like Nextcloud.
It already has the majority of the Office-365 suite
I don't know on what it's based on, but it's open source and audited.
It's based on LiveKit.
Who partners with From.
Because the French government is hell bent on saving money, but they don't care about anyone's privacy at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they are building a privacy nightmare system here. Having said that, at least they are removing Microslop, and anything that could potentially hurt Microslop in any way, shape or form, is a good thing.
i mean, a lot ia still in handwriten notebooks, the french and other similar countries should just skip IT and jump eight into the future and stay on paper, no?
It is open source and built on top of livekit which is open source.
All the tools of "La Suite Numerique" are open source.
Anything that kicks big tech's teeth in is good.
ohh i can't express how much i like that image.
Anything to ANYTHING to get away from MicrSlop, Google etc. is huge. HUGE!
I've called them Gooplesoft now.
Check out Mistral if you want a good nonUS AI.
Trump is amazing. He literally destroys anything he touches and still get rewarded for it. Just wow.
Edit: Destroys casinos and hotels. Gets rewarded a tv show. Destroy multiple brands. Get rewarded the presidency. Destroys so many American lives. Gets rewarded the presidency a second time. Destroys the United States and it's ties with it's allies. Gets rewarded with untold billions.
He is as fucking narcisist, he doesn't care not to ruin anything.
magic or a trick?
Depends on if you believe in Satan or not.
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Yeah. You asked if Trump being so successful despite a complete failure at everything was a trick or magic.
i was just thinking of magicians, psychics or tv evangelists. they are all kind of in the same buisness. it is psycology.
Could you destroy unnecessary apostrophes in possessive pronouns? Get rewarded with correct grammar.
Ok incel.
Oh sorry, I interrupted you in the middle of changing the world.
Correcting grammar on the Internet is like trying to drink a ocean.
Why not jitsi meet? Isn't better to use an already "established" opensource conferencing tool?
They could just selfhost their instance.
They've been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn't performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It's a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.
Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they've put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it's a cool initiative, but I think it's pretty clear that it's open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.
I was wondering the same, but this does make sense.
At the same time, it might also make sense to build on top of existing FOSS tooling rather than building new, but I suppose that depends on where the bottlenecks are and if stuff like proprietary codecs might be involved
Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.
Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible. The thing they are using seems to be based on another package with a similar issue.
Being open source, that's a non issue.
Nice, replace Microslop Windows too pls.
The gendarmerie has had its own Linux distribution for a while now but that's about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
Tweaking Ubuntu a bit counts and own Linux distribution?
Its how most Distros get started. Ubuntu is just tweaked Debian, with more than a decade of tweaks (and amazon spyware) piled up.
All packages are recompiled for Ubuntu and Ubuntu has everything in its own repositories. They literally distribute the software. If you just change config files a bit and the software packages still come from Ubuntu, it's not really your own distribution. It's Ubuntu and repository accesses still count towards Ubuntu stats.
Yes.
Also, Ubuntu is on the governing board for Debian, as a major stakeholder in their upstream distribution. They use the same tools to distribute software.
3rd party repos like PPAs are Sometimes (though not always) compatible with both.
GetBentu
GetBendOver
Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.
Came to comment this. I know there are only so many letters, and so many combinations of 4-8 of them, but can we quit naming new things with the name of an old thing?
Finding any details about France's Visio is going to be a cluster.
Visio is [the shorthand of] what the french call a video call
visioconférence
Does that make this better? A translated French search query would be 'joining video call isn't working' and that will return results for every conference tool known to man.
Call it something like FVC (la France VisioConférence) , or some French play on the way that sounds, which would be a uniquely searchable term in this domain.
This is not a hill I'm dying on, but it's terminally short sighted and a bad user experience to name your product the same thing as a microslop trademark. They are the worst for this already with their multiple active variants of office 365 tools like outlook and their xbox name nonsense.
Oh, I have a great idea for a new car company. Lets call it 'Car'! Then people can have a Car Car, or maybe even a Car Car 2026... oh or a Car Truck when we branch out. (future google search: replace car truck 2028 oil filter)
Nah, you can always come up with new combos. They could have named it 'squonchy' or 'flurgled', for example.
Pray explain how those are pronounced in French?
Just like they're written.
Why do european tech companies need to call their products the same name as already established american products. Don't they google the names before they make the decision?
Visio is an outdated spreadsheet name, in English.
Visio is the new video conferencing software, in French.
France leads the world, it is up to everyone else to worry about conflict with France, not the other way around. /s
The French government is not a tech company.
Debatable
We don't do google here ok
It's uncouth and unfashionable, the French prefer to get information by sticking their head out of the window whilst wildly waving a baguette and yelling: “Quoi de neuf ?”
It's the French common name for this, visioconférence. Why would they care about Microsoft products for this?
american law is relative, who cares
Looks like this is it, but it's called "Meet" here:
https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
This looks suspiciously similar to element call
Element is open source, so I would be very unsurprised to learn it's an Element fork.
E: TechCrunch says "TChap" is based on Matrix (unfortunately in a security vulnerability article):
https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/19/security-flaw-in-french-government-messaging-app-exposed-confidential-conversations/
Nice article, but sounds like he only had access to conversations available to every single government employee? He wasn't able to crack into any direct messages or channels that he didn't get an invite for.
MIT license unfortunate
I still don’t understand why half of the US still support a president that is doing a long term damage
Shows the importance of having a proper primary process. Biden fucked up and dropped out of the race way too late for any democratic candidate to have time to build up hype and momentum. Just being the VP shouldn't make one an automatic default candidate. Harris did pretty bad during the Primary back in 2020, she just was not popular and didn't inspire enough people to go vote.
Harris actually dropped out months before the primaries in 2020. She was something like 16th most popular candidate at the time she withdrew. She was a pretty unpopular AG in California at the time and likely would not have even won her own state primary.
Harris could have won, when she first announced, and then picked the left candidate for VP, her popularity skyrocketed, then cratered as she embraced the policies that had just killed the Biden campaign.
A democrat cannot win on "we're going to be Republicans, but more competent".
Which is exactly what dems are planning when they fund ICE, but ask that the gestapo stop wearing masks.
These particular news are based and a long-term good for the humanity. Moving from spying corpo slop to an open-source solution is a win-win for the french people. Sad that it is only happening now, this should have been done decades ago, the US empire and its corporations have always been evil. Now they are just showing their true face to europe and the US population.
This is happening now because the national security hawks are suddenly (and temporarily) on the same side as open source/ privacy advocates on this specific threat.
Yes, the reasoning behind this is sad, but the outcome is very positive.
Overwhelming propaganda.
Why *less than half
It's a bit more complicated but essentially only a third support him, a third oppose, and a third are either too stupid to know what side to choose or too lazy to do anything. In my opinion it's this third camp that are the worst of the worst. At least the Trumpers are doing what they think is right, these guys are just lazy and willing to just let anything happen to them as long as they can watch Netflix and buy Funko pops.
@DarkSideOfTheMoon In a word? Marketing
i dont understand your comment? you know and we should tske care about the people that have the same tendencies. "it's a hell of a drug"
Source code: https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
Next: move away from github, as it's owned by MS
That's great. I wish Visio/Vizio were not such common names for software and hardware. We done did those already. Do something else.
But that's the French name for this: visioconférence.
Francio?
Franctario!
Cornholio
Foresure-Yo!
I like it.
Beautiful. Trump is causing the US to lose its grip on the world in yet another way.
This "find out" phase is gonna go on for a long, long time.
The "find out" will take forever. France just decided that a "sovereign server" can be AWS or any US big-tech providing the physical server is located in France.
France has also signed a contract with Microsoft ("sovereign" solution again) for the national health data hub, even as a parliament investigation had MS France GM stating MS can't guarantee the data won't leak to the US!
Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.
And corrupt.
Visio and W....
They need to open up naming to public vote.
Cally McCallface
The French use "Visio" kinda like a generic term to talk about a video call (short for visio-conférence), I find that much better already than that W nonsense.
Me-Cally Call-kin
https://youtu.be/04njgbmEFD4?t=15
Every 2-3 years, the French government announces that they released a brand new homemade app that will replace some bigtech because sovereignty or whatever bureaucratic bullshit communication they fancy at the moment. Then they issue a BIG contract to an IT consulting company to develop the thing, who get tons of money to send junior devs to release a buggy tool that no one will ever use because migrations cost a lot. This new app will die like the others.
All this instead of just hiring a few senior devs to contribute to any of the number of existing open source projects that are already infinitely better than any new thing they will come up with.
the french do make some great stuff tho like cryptpad or mobilizon - the problem is usually always the same tho. it's in french and they only give half a shit about their french users, anyone else is considered an obstacle.
heck i've been playing dofus for 20 years and the non-french community is always shafted. always.
It's made by the DINUM, not an outside consulting company. And the product made by the DINUM (Tchap, France Connect …) are still in use.
I doubt that there are significant development teams at the DINUM. They coordinate projects but do not build anything. On LinkedIn, here are the main skills associated with the company:
Yes because the department of the DINUM that made it, the « Opérateur de produits interministériels » is only one of it's many department. I can link you multiple French article that explain it was developed by the DINUM. Please research a little bit before posting, looking for skills on LinkedIn means nothing. Also the French entrepreneurs that usually get contracts for this were very angry about it.
I actually tried to look for information and couldn’t find anything a part from PR so excuse me for using the Cunningham law. Thanks for your answer!
Still, I find it weird that browsing the 300 employees at DINUM on LinkedIn, I couldn’t find a single developer.
OuiChat
It's opensource ! https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
It's open source and they have documentation for self-hosting it !
uhhhh on github :(
... What's wrong with GitHub?
The software that's made to escape Microsoft's ecosystem is being hosted on Microsoft's GitHub.
Can't tell of sarcasm or serious, damn Poe's law.
Underrated comment
Visio? Don't they have to pay for copyright on the name "Visio" to Microsoft?
Visio is also a common French word for videoconference.
That would be like making a phone app called Phone, and Samsung trying to claim copyright because they call their app Phone, too.
Didn't Apple try to she sue when google called his store for apps "app store"?
Why should they?
Visio is a Microsoft product name.
Microsoft is American
It's actually not. The official product name is "Microsoft Visio".
And that's not going to stop them from suing
Suing a govt body? Outside their basecamp? Good luck with that!
Microsoft doesn't hold a copyright worldwide for product names.
Product names are trademarks, not copyrights. For someone shouting in another comment about garbage misinformation, you fail at basic stuff.
Stop replying on U.S. companies for technologies that provide the backbone of our governments!
They already developed alternatives for Microsoft Office:
https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/docs as an alternative to word
https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/produits/grist as an alternative for excel and data management (much better than excel in my opinion)
It's open source, actively developed with Germany and the Netherlands (as I'm writing this post the last commit to doc was 49min ago) and self hostableby any administration or company who want to do it.
not an english word in sight. must have super potential for becoming a new standard to replace ms office.
If you were not a troll you would have seen that all the technical documentation about how to contribute and how to host an instance in the repository is in English. The code is well documented 100% in English.
It make sense however that pages for users is in French, since it's been developed for French users. If you want Geraldine, the secretary of the tax office in Trifouilly les Oies to use it, you need to address her in French.
The tone of these comments as weird.
I agree, it was the same on reddit.
They could just use https://www.opendesk.eu/en and join the German D-Stack https://gitlab.opencode.de/dstack/d-stack-home
Nah, a little healthy competition is good for growth.
i wonder if Isreal designed it for them.
If it is Israel it’s the same picture
Why not open source solutions for most of those?
If is. It's free (orI guess libre makes more sense since they are French) under Apache-2.0
Yea Nextcloud already has a replacement for most of Microsoft. 365 and is Open Source.
No need to reinvent the wheel
Who tells them that "Visio" is already a trademark?
Do you know what happens to trademarks and patents when a country starts threatening its (previous) allies with military invasion and tradewars, and start undermining the values of those allies? You're right! It goes into the square hole! Heck, maybe I'm going to start a new software company tomorrow called Microsoft, and then threaten left and right with all crazy shit if anybody complains. Nobody will care about US trademarks since US disqualified itself by now.
Trademarks don't matter when it's only for internal use.
By Microsoft, no less.
I'm 100% in favor of this. Erode that trademark!
Probably not an enforceable trademark in France.
It is, and I genuinely worry that Microsoft will bitch about it.
https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/#/tmview/detail/FR500000098727661
It's literally a generic word for video call.
They might have registered it but in the EU it's not enforceable in the context of video calls.
If Microsoft tries to defend it in that context they could lose it in all contexts.
The software is called Meet. Visio is just the name of the name of the government platform Meet is running on which is internal use only.
Apparently a rebranded LiveKit, which is developed by an US American company...
No, Visio is based on BigBlueButton, and it is to interface with Tchap, which is an internal Matrix server for France's gov agents.
EDIT: Ah! Yes, apparently LiveKit is involved in the integration with Tchap. My bad, you seem to be right!
Hope it's public code if it's paid with public money! Replacing it with proprietary software would be leaving one abusive relationship straight into another.
It is. Currently their code is published under an Apache 2.0 license. There's links to it on the website, but the whole suite is on Github. It would be nice to see them migrate that codebase elsewhere down the line though
sounds like something they buried 20 years ago. next msbob bobot
Ouch. More to follow, so stay tuned.
Can't they invest in standardized SIP solutions? Linphone is already French.
SIP is a nightmare protocol for firewalls. Time to retire it.
It could be improve. SMB3 is far better for firewalling than SMB1/2.
A standard audio/video call protocol is great to have and SIP is everywhere already. Already supports video though this isn't as widely used.
It could be iterated.
SIP uses different signalling protocols amongst other things than WebRTC, and i imagine browser support is a hard requirement
I know of a few things that do a WebRTC interface for SIP. So you can make SIP calls from your webbrowser.
yes but you need a server in the middle which is just a huge waste of resources when you could just use webrtc with basically no down side
Only if one side is SIP.
to use SIP, in a web browser, you need to use wrapper of some kind (probably WebRTC-based)… you can not directly use SIP in a web browser. given that web browsers are likely a hard requirement, it makes no sense to use 2 separate standards
SIP is the wrong choice for this project, and any greenfield project wishing to integrate web browsers with no hard requirement to support SIP devices
SIP is what we have right now for VOIP. If you can connect to SIP, you can literally ring people over the current system. Audio only of course. Backwards compatibly is worth a lot. If they are also SIP, you should be able to do video. The providers I know are using WebRTC for a browser SIP client basically. Baresip has this as an example module, but there is commercial software that also does this. Avoid having to a local SIP client installed.
Backwards compatible laying for the win. Much easier to replace things that way.
these are different problems now though… sure you can make calls to existing VOIP endpoints and PSTN devices, but that’s not what they’re trying to implement: they’re trying to implement group video conferencing, which WebRTC was built for
No mention of Capgemini on the announcement, there's a chance this will actually ship!
Note, as far as I can tell from thos announcement, this does not cover all French public officials. There are 3 groups of them, state, local and health. This is specifically about state administration.
Local administrations could follow national recommendations, but it would ultimately be in the hands of locally elected representatives.
Well sure they don't have to, but this makes it much easier to adopt.
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Isn't Visio tradermarked?
It's a French common name for this.
Still trademarked in France
https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/#/tmview/detail/FR500000098727661
I'm not saying it's not, but that's not enough to prevent them from using that name.
Never heard of jitsi?