Another ICE murder in Minneapolis
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https://www.startribune.com/ice-raids-minnesota/601546426 (live updates)
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Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37.
No criminal history. A lawful gun owner with a valid conceal carry permit.
I haven't commented on any of the content of this story until now.
Pay very close attention the the 'agent' wearing the grey coat, with his back to the camera before he turns around and walks towards it holding a gun.
He goes in hands empty, retrieves the gun from the suspects waistband, at the small of his back, and leaves before the first shot is fired.
Every shot was fired, by federal agents, at an unarmed individual. Plain murder.
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multiple angles synced up together (this ones being updated as new angles come in)
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Holy fuck, this is bad. What are you fucking doing, America?
We're being murdered?
Kinda weird for a country that said: 'we accept dead children at schools in the name of defending from tyranny'
Tyranny is when people have pronouns or vaccines.
Tyranny is when you care for your fellow man and try to uplift the poor and downtrodden.
^ this person second amendments!
He is intentionally invading cities that don't fall in that murica stereotype. Cities that allow women the right to choose, are pro gay rights, and don't ban books. These cities would have much stricter gun laws if we could without courts shutting it down.
You'd think they'd be invading cities with the highest number of illegal immigrants.
If we had stricter gun laws then there would be nothing to stop these thugs, who are armed by the federal government and would be excempt from those laws, from exectuting whoever they want. It would be 100% worse than it already is.
The same people who kept saying that are the same ones doing the murdering now.
Yes, because all Americans are the same entity and statements like this are helpful and insightful... /s
Not weird at all if you actually understood American culture and geography.
Yep. We all collectively said that. The whole country did. Even the dead kids.
The ones committing the murder are also Americans.
In the same way that the Nazis were German I guess
If you ask Russian influencers on Lemmy, they'd tell you we're LETTING it happen. It's our fault, you see. All our fault. Whether we're Trump himself or a starving mother of three working three jobs.
Fuck this noise. Let the world unite under the banner of those who oppose fascism.
https://youtu.be/w8HdOHrc3OQ
Dude was getting curb stomped and head smashed in by a blunt object before the shooting... So my question is simple... If a gang of masked men, who outnumber you 7:1, and are literally smashing your head in with "non-lethal" crowd management devices and causing life altering injuries while you are pinned down under thread of death, why wouldn't self defence be justified? I'm not saying the gun was his, or that he had control of it, or that he even fired it, but I am saying if ICE is doing this to people why shouldn't they defend themselves. Black Panthers just got some recruiting. Arm yourselves and openly carry. It's your right so use it.
Let's go further than that. If you know that you will be killed if you don't resist, and you will certainly be killed if you resist while they've already started.... maybe you shouldn't lie down and not resist, and you definitely shouldn't let them start in the first place.
hell, maybe you need some friends to back you up and start some bullet dancing to get those thugs off your back.
Best Americans can do is stand around and bitch, unfortunately. I want to be proven otherwise, still waiting for the proof though.
Collapsing. It's going to suck. But America needs to go.
Are we sure it's not already gone, and we are simply witnessing its cadaveric spasms?
As doomist or accelerationist or pessimistic as many people call me, I am not sure even I am quite yet there mentally to fully admit that...
...even though you may very well be correct.
Can France please save us?
Seems fair, we helped them last time with their fascist problem. They help us with ours.
I bet an occupied US would even get socialized medicine
To be fair, they helped us before then with our king issue.
This isn't to say they shouldn't though. It sounds like we've got a good partnership going of helping each other with their authoritarian issues.
Nothing.
They did nothing when the fat paedo was elected the first time. And they did almost nothing after the orange traitor stole top secret documents. And now they are once again doing fuck all whilst the fat paedo takes over their country like an unfunny comedy dictator.
Thanks. What are you doing?
I'm not from america, but I am asking questions and posting on the internet asking for action. Which means I'm doing more than most americans...
Getting murdered. Are you somehow not paying attention?
Fear, helplessness, disorganization.... We're living an example of modern political battleground you can't even imagine.
What do you propose instead?
Today is literally a general strike across Minneapolis and neighboring areas you fucking twat.
Sigh… A one day protest on a Saturday where the vast majority of participants either already had the day off or requested it from their employer is in no way a strike. It’s a large protest and an important event, but it’s just not a strike.
It’s like the actual concept of a strike is being erased from the public consciousness. Strikes don’t have a fixed duration, they have a list of demands, and the strike goes on until those demands are met or the strikers capitulate.
A bunch of Minnesotans taking a day off work to protest sends a strong message and mildly inconveniences businesses.
A bunch of Minnesotans saying “we’re not going back to work until ICE is out of our state” is what an actual general strike would look like. It would be hugely powerful if strikers held fast, but it would also be incredibly hard to organize and pull off, because you’re basically asking large numbers of people to be willing to get fired.
I’m not trying to downplay what’s going on in Minnesota - it’s good and important, but it saddens me to see people calling this a general strike. A general strike is the ultimate weapon of the working class. Calling a mass protest a general strike feels like saying “this is the best we can do,” and it absolutely is not.
America has successfully villified unions for decades, it would not surprise me one bit if they have also systematically erased any education about actual strikes as part of the already well-documented gutting of general education and overall indoctrination the American right has performed on the population.
They would also need support from other states. A general strike is adhered to by everyone.
Okay that's fair
Over half the country is paralyzed by frigid temps and storms this weekend. It is not the statement you are expecting. A general No-BUY that lasts for months may help but honestly, there are many that just don't have that discipline. Even last year, during winter, we had lackluster engagement. I mean I am over 60 and can't risk falling on icy sidewalks. First off, let's see what we can do to protect the integrity of homes (barred windows, double deadbolt locks on all egresses) Even boarding up windows with wood/locked shutters) in order to prevent home invasions. Locked fences. You know.. make those MFers work for it. We can be "Meals on Wheels" to deliver nutrition. Provide families with loyal fierce pets that will alert them to anyone crossing their property. Distribute gas masks, goggles. Put up cameras that are not controlled by some tech collaborator. Esp. cameras that keep the footage inside.
Piss in the wind, they know you all have to work and the rest of the country is still in nothing ever happens omg did you see Fallout last night?! mode.
I just want to say, I really hope you pronounced it twat like @, and not twat like twot.
Here's hoping the strikes continue and gain momentum nationwide. I'd heard it was supposed to be happening in other cities on Friday, but not sure how well that went.
Yeah I hope it spreads too. Gotta start somewhere!
Hey how's the weather in St. Petersburg today, Ivan?
I agree a prolonged and universal strike is needed. Have you taken steps to help organize locally where you are? If not I'm very happy to provide you resources and if possible put you in contact with organizers local to your area.
I don't think concerted violence here in America will do anything except to empower the executive branch to invoke the insurrection act and declare marshall law.
However targeted assinations in a minecraft server have been proven very effective in a more historical context.
First off, a change of venue, away from the people earning 5 and 6 figure wages, and toward those earning at least high 7-figures. These ICE clowns aren't the problem; the problem is the bastards sending them.
Let obscenely rich people know they are going to take the heat anywhere ICE shows up, and watch how quickly ICE is disbanded.
They can start here.
A 5-figure wage isn't a lot of money.
I see your point. It seems like when you have gangs of ICE menacing a lone citizen like cockroaches on a smear of bacon grease... some kind of pest control should be dispatched.> Alex Jeffrey Pretti
Just remember. Jeffries and the democrats just voted to increase ICEs funding with the Republicans.
Reps. Henry Cuellar (Texas), Jared Golden (Maine), Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Wash.), Laura Gillen (N.Y.), Don Davis (N.C.), Tom Suozzi (N.Y.) and Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) voted for it. They should be primaried and vilified. Jefferies didn't whip the vote, but he did vote against it.
Now it's important to pressure senators to not pass the bill.
Get their asses. Make ICE toxic for Democrats.
Jared Golden already announced he's not running for re-election, and it's not because he knows he'll get primaried. He's always been Republican-lite, voting for basically everything they wanted even though he's technically a Democrat, so I assume he's on his way around the iron triangle now that he's proved his worth to his owners.
7 Democrats voted with them. Not all the Democrats. My rep voted NO.
How many democrats voted in support?
There was no reason... pure murder
Yeah, just shoots him while he's on the ground. Wtf.
From my understanding:
Like 6 ICE thugs were beating up this one guy
The guy was trying to reach for the mace bottle first and a thug kicked it away.
A single shot went off but it's too hard to tell where it came from
Two ICE thugs fired a bunch of rounds into the guy as others backed away and he died
We really need that pink lady's video I think. If the protestor fired first, then we're looking at the question of justified defense against ICE (which they'll obviously rule with ICE that it was a legal murder). If an ICE agent fired first, then it's straight up murder first degree.
edit: I've seen three other views, and the ICE thug in the grey sweater pulled the protestor's away first, then the ICE thug in green pulled out his gun, a shot went off (I think from this guy), then the other ICE thugs got scared and started blindly shooting. This was a straight up murder.
After the first shot, the guy goes limp. They shot him, then they got scared and unloaded a mag on him when he was already dead.
The guy didn't have a chance, he was just cold blooded murder.
I see the victim swing his arms immediately after the first shot at :19. He goes down with the shots that follow.
The green sweater guy draws his gun, fires at point blank range, the victim doesn't immediately register being shot and is still pushing back against all of them beating him, then the others hear the shot and get scared then assassinate him. There are about 3 or 4 other views now online.
If you watch the video, the guy with the gray coat walks up to them, removes this guy's legal firearm, and walks away before the firing starts.
They opened fire on an unarmed civilian who was on the ground.
From what I saw, looks like the thug was pistol whipping the guy ... Willing to bet that was the first shot and it hit home.
Nope, not from the other angles. He was hitting him with a canister
just to be clear, it wouldn't be justified defense even if they guy had fought back, since they abducted and beat him without cause in the first place
There's a guy on the left beating the victim, potentially in the head, with what looks like a capsicum spray bottle. There's a guy kneeling to his right who reaches for his right pocket and then, with his right arm, reaches towards the victim who is starting to get up before he suddenly jerks back as a shot rings out.
In my opinion, I think that man shot the victim point blank, potentially in the chest, and this is the first shot.
Either way, this is an execution, without question. That poor ICU nurse.
Edit: i watched the link coat woman's video for a while, and i think the first shot (whoever it was by) was done in response to an agent accidentally falling over a little. They were on their knees, tried to get up, but as the victim struggled to get up, he accidentally shoved that agent a bit. Immediately after, the shot rings out.
The armed American in this instance was murdered by armed nazis.
sadly what happened. all the guns in the world are of no use if you are in his situation.
some of the black panthers got it right: organised, trained and are bringing their legal big guns very openly and in big numbers. pretty sure that acts as a deterrent.
but if you are alone in that poor guys situation, the nazis could beat him to death with sticks... which kind of was a nazi tactic (sturmabteilung was mainly a goon squad)
That will only give them ammunition and the right optics to become even more oppressive. But there are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).
:::spoiler Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you'll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step. :::
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If you haven't already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other's problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We've been building a list of resources in ![email protected] to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
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The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.
:::spoiler Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We'll start it off with some General Advice:
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you'll need to scroll down. I'd add it here, but it won't fit in this comment). :::
I'd also highly recommend anyone reading this to read Full Spectrum Resistance if you can for further info.
I really wish you'd post that as a separate post in a Lemmy community where a lot of people would find it in
You have my full permission to copy and repost this anywhere you think it would get the most eyeballs, I would be most grateful if you did, actually!
Do you have the full code for that post?
If you're using lemmy from the standard browser UI, you can click the little paper with folded edge icon at the bottom of a comment or post to expose the raw markdown version of the text.
Can I credit you?
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You have 2 options realisticaly: move or fight. Soft-speech just let's them accumulate more power.
It would be foolish to fight before our most powerful non-violent tools are even tried. Businesses are already shaken up by the 1 day general strike in Minneapolis, we just need to sustain a longer one, look how effective it was in Chile against a violent government.
Do not be quick to rush into other means, especially when the enemy is already losing the optics war this badly, and thus losing popular support. Ideally you'd let them lose enough public support and generate enough public anger that you may even have blue state's national guard joining the resistance if things do become violent, which would be a great boon.
Remember, these tactics were far more effective in Nazi Germany because Hitler and the Nazi party were loved by the majority, to the point that Germans in positions capable of initiating a resistance chose not to, due to the reality that the party was so loved, the populace themselves would reject and destroy any resistance effort. That is not the case in the US.
They are. They're in the video.
Well guess which side has been campaigning for decades to limit gun ownership.....
This murder was 1,300 miles away. Shall I go up there and hunt them. Please provide explicit instructions. I'll wait right here smartass.
Yes.
America 101:
there is a problem (government overreach)
the only solution must be guns (hunt them)
but i would have to get up from the sofa (I'm soo far away)
so I will do nothing, and play victim online
That's not even a murder, that is a straight up execution.
From this angle, it does look like all the shots were fired by ICE.
Thank you, this is the first video I've seen of the start of the interaction. It's a little hard to tell, but it doesn't look like the victim ever drew his gun. Bovino claimed in a press conference that ICE believed he had threatened ICE with his gun, which I'm currently doubting.
I wouldn't believe a fucking word of armed terrorists. Trump straight lied in the Whitehouse about Goode's murder, even after watching the video together with reporters. "Internal bleeding" my ass.
If greg bovino said the sky was blue I'd go out to check for myself.
There's another video that shows a man in a tan jacket standing up from and walking away from the dogpile immediately before the first shot. He has a pistol with a holographic sight mounted on the slide, pointed at the ground. This appears to be the victim's pistol.
It is the 15MB file, starting with AA67, in this Proton Drive
It appears that this officer disarmed the victim, then discharged the victim's weapon into the pavement. This appears to be the first round fired.
I highly doubt it was intentional. That would require a certain degree of competence that is entirely lacking here. From the agent's initial and unecessary provocation, to the escalation with pepper spray, to the vicious attack on a compliant subject, there is no evidence of competency here. That the officer handling the victim's weapon lacked the most basic weapons handling skills seems on par.
I'm not really seeing your point. Why is competence a prerequisite for premeditated murder? Especially since they actually fucked up and got caught on video.
Hanlon's Razor. Incompetence adequately explains everything that happened here, and is, IMO, much more damaging. A competent group of conspirators can be brought under control. An incompetent group can't help but continue fucking up, time and time again.
The latter is much more dangerous.
This is the one that needs to be at the top. Someone posted this below, so yes, AA67 definitely shows grey guy taking the victims gun before the execution happens.
we get it he had a gun, but why did the gray-coat not indicate to them that he's been disarmed? They just shouted "Gun..Gun..", then that ill-trained trigger-happy lowlife who shot him literally pushed the grey-coat agent away before shooting him in the back. I can't believe he did not realize that he was disarmed. There is no excuse
Alternative link to Xitter:
https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/2015131503622021472
There are some slowed down videos with markers in this thread. He was disarmed before they shot him.
I want pink coats footage. I hope she got the hell out of there.
Right now it's believed pink coat was abducted and missing. Civil rights groups are soliciting for information on her.
Edit - her footage is out
Every single person involved with ICE and DHS needs to be strung up on gibbets lining the national mall. We need to leave them and the gibbets there until they rot away entirely, as a long hard reminder of what happens when you allow even an ounce of fascism to thrive.
They will just keep killing people until we do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corpses_of_the_De_Witt_Brothers
How long until ice starts unloading full cartriges into crowds of protestors and vice-versa? This is really shaping up to be an actual civil war. Trump and his cohort was used to the politicians of democrats and not the actual people who vote for them because theres no better choice. These people will fight back. It will take one of those black panthers with a handheld cannon to be arround when something similar to this happens. Im surprised it hasnt escalated yet. I have mixed feelings about this cause i know theres no such thing as a peacefull revolution but seeing not only the innocent but even the the perpetrators die violently pains my heart. A lot of us arent idealists but we still enjoy peace, but the voilent and disgusting ruling class is forcing all of us to change and accept that violence is the solution. It was in the case of fascist italy, nazi germany and now fascist usa as well. Good luck my fellow people who just want to have a normal life but were born on the wrong side of the north atlantic.
We should not be focusing protests at these ICE fucks, and we should not be protesting in cities and working-class neighborhoods.
Every atrocity committed by the agents of this oligarchy, we need to be picketing the oligarchs.
Here's five good places to start.
The bloods and crips are no longer the deadliest gang in America.
Haven't been in a looooong time.
Cops have always been the oldest, most established, and deadliest gang in America. They're just a state-sanctioned gang.
Don't believe me? Check out what cops do to other cops who blow the whistle on the crooked ones. It's mobster bullshit.
It used to be the cops. Now its just another version of cops.
hasn't that always been people who own cars?
They are way more deadly than ICE or USBP. You think two people tipped the scale?
Murder/execution.
Watch the other video, he stepped in to defend a woman and was attacked by the agents. If you work for the government you are a coward.
Not all, but anything related to ICE, absolutely. Ex works for census bureau, has nothing to do with ICE. Not like she can just jump ship, leave retirement, etc.
Ex works for census bureau of third reich had nothing to do with the holocaust.
Why do Americans put up with this?
Why don't YOU do something about it?
should we invade?
Nah, let it burn. Better they nuke themselves than any of the rest of us.
Advocate for murder of innocent civilians, excellent. Well done. Good foresight. Nothing could go wrong.
I vote yes. But we should start with a blockade, to hasten the collapse. Prepare to trap and wear-down the inevitable strike package. Once their trillion dollar toys are gone, they are down to a level they are far less familiar with.
Don't forget the other gigantic bunch of morons who neglected to vote because their weak little minds are easily manipulated by divide-and-conquer propaganda, bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL, all you gotta do is stroke their ego a little bit: "You're the righteous one by staying home and sitting on your lazy ignorant ass on Election Day! They should give you a goddamned medal for not participating!", even though the mouth-breathers showed the entire world EXACTLY who they are, since 2015 and more importantly, on January 6, 2021.
THIS WAS ALL EASILY PREVENTABLE
especially a pedophile that wants to commit incest, and emulates hitler.
Trump didnt win the popular vote in 2016. He lost in 2020. Then he wins with 49% in a freak election. Opposing party has been calling him fascist from day 1. But glad you get sadistic pleasure from the suffering of innocents who had nothing to do with this fascist admin.
Liberals are caught up in great man theory. Project 2025 didn't care which conservative reactionary was elected. Stop giving Trump credit for The Heritage Foundation's work. I don't care where monsters live. I'm down to slay them.
First of all I vote in every election, phone bank and canvassed when younger, actively protested multiple years when younger seeing fellows around me arrested en masse, and I always supported Biden/Kamala in the recent election despite myself being much more left and a Palestine supporter/believe in Israeli genocide/apartheid. I am the last person in my immediate family with no one to take care of my animals or aging peripheral relatives, and you eurocunts and rabid leftists judge me collectively with the nation unless I directly join a revolution. I was born into this with no consent in my choice of government and inceedibly limited influence and I will proudly flee than throw my life away and have my last moments be bleeding out alone. I will still speak out freely, and always defend myself and innocents around me best I can, but no one should be forced to be a martyr. Your collective judgment against all of us shows how immature you still are thinking. The USA is huge and more like a collective of smaller countries and it's insane to compare us morally responsible akin to electing Hitler when it's so obvious where and who is voting for this Christo-fascist nightmare. Rust belt, bible belt, deep south racist neo-confederates. But yeah keep spewing your vindictive accusatory garbage at me I'm sure it's super helpful.
popular votes dont really count towards electing a president anyways. the disporportiante representation of EC, and voter suppression is where is it all at.
I'm not an American. It's not my country. I will not fix your problem for you.
I read that Minnesota has the highest rate of registered voters who vote in every election. This is probably why they are targeted.
Voter registration was highest in Minnesota at 83.6% https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-voters-have-a-party-affiliation/
Interestingly, more Minnesotans are registered Republican than Democrat or Independent. So... I wonder how this little Nazi Brownshirt brutalism bit is playing on the denizens registered Republican?
I'm assuming most of this chaos is not happening in republican electoral districts...
nope, and surprisingly not in the rich districts, like NYC or norcal.wish they hit schumers and JEFFERIES district. also because zohran already met with trump , and billionaires in the bay area already warned him ahead of time.
i think hes hitting tim's state hard because he is stepping down for the race next election, as he should.
Why is it surprising that they aren't targeting rich districts?
I heard this on BBC radio for the first time. BBC used the press release info from the propagandists. Infuriating!
Alex Pretti is a hero of humanity! Curse anyone who says otherwise!
Holy shit
Can you please muster those militias your 2nd amendment speaks of and do something?
The 2A people are all applying to join ICE
This guy they murdered was carrying, so no.
That doesn't make him automatically a 2A person, just an American. The 2A people are 95% in support of this. It was never about a tyrannical government to them, it was about maybe one day of getting to live out their dream of shooting a minority.
Dude had a conceal carry permit from the county Sheriff, and was monitoring illegal behavior of armed thugs. When things escalated he still sought to help others before drawing his weapon. Then he was murdered while being attacked by 7 other people.
He was the fucking definition of a 2A person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
So if I protect someone at a protest while I have my gun and get attacked I am a 2A person? I don't want to be lumped in with them.
I don't think you have a strong understanding of the Second Amendment, or you're arguing in bad faith.
Its the difference between someone being a "2a person" vs just excercising their second amendment right. When I or the people I know hear "2a person" those are the people with two dozen guns, who log on to social media after every school shooting to fight any regulation, who join up to militias with a bunch of white supremacists, who argue for the reversal of the Machine gun ban and against any possible gun regulation.
I am just using the tools and rights the constitution affords me. If I exercise my first amendment people don't call me a 1A person. If everyone including the cops disarmed tomorrow, I wouldn't cry, I would rejoice.
They fucking scurryed away. Not joke scurryed. Literally scurryed!
This is our big bad, what the hell is going on in Minneapolis. Like a bunch of bullies playing a deadly prank
Look at how the cowards run away when he's shot. Fuck them all. I hope they are all held accountable.
They will not be held accountable and will do it again tomorrow
Accountable? Like getting a medal of honour?
I've watched this video several times, pausing at every frame I could. You briefly see the guy's hands. None of them was holding a gun. Just because he was carrying wasn't an excuse to shoot him. Especially when you had enough agents present to control each limb at that point shooting the suspect was more hazardous to the other officers around. Let alone the 5 extra rounds they fired into him while he was lying flat on his back. They're desperately trying to find a justification for this.
The agent wearing a grey coat goes in empty handed, retrieves the suspects gun from his waistband at the small of his back, then exits holding the weapon before the first shot is fired.
He was in possession of a firearm; but he was disarmed before agents opened fire and murdered him. At no point was he holding the gun and/or a threat.
Watch the Nazi in the grey jacket, very clearly nothing in his hands. He jumps in and is visibly digging at the victims waistband. Then, as another Nazi executes the victim, you can see the greyshirt skuttle away with the brown gun they're picturing. One Nazi had his gun when the other Nazi shot him.
I don't get it...
So if you have a gun you get shot dead. But USA has been holding on to the right of guns for ages... But for what reason? If you get shot for having one I don't see the point
He didn't get shot for having one. He got shot just because. It appears they conveniently "found" a gun on him afterwards in order to fabricate some justification for killing him. Even if it was his own gun, it clearly wasn't in his hands at any point in this clip.
I think OP of the post is correct. Play the video in slow motion and watch the grey coat guy. He approaches with empty hands and appears to retrieve a weapon from the suspect’s back and is walking away with it before the first shot is fired.
So the suspect was likely unarmed when the shooting starts.
I'm assuming these brainwashed zombies known as ICE, have been ordered to plant guns on protestors.
I think the gun was actually there, nowhere near being used, and they found it before shooting him.
My guess, someone saw a gun, yelled 'gun', and an agent assumed that must have meant that somehow magically the guy had a gun in his hands that he didn't see and just opened fire...
Or else he drew his gun to be prepared for a gunfight and pulled the trigger...
Or someone else made the case that the ICE guy who took the gun from the victim ended up discharging the gun into the ground as a first shot, and another officer heard that gunfire and just started blasting, with no idea where the shot was fired from or toward.
So in short, yeah, he had a gun on his person, in no way a threat to the ICE people since his hands never went anywhere near it, and ICE fired on him.
Terrible enough incident on its own, even worse is Noem lying to justify it and declare no possible wrongdoing or even improper procedure, and again they are impeding real law enforcement investigation..
I think globally we need to start coming to terms with the fact that America is not a country of "logic" and "reason".
I think globally we need to start coming to terms with the fact that America is
not a country of “logic” and “reason”a very palpable threat to global safety akin the Nazi Germany in the late 1930s.Maybe it's because I live here, but I've been saying that for years.
Logic does not apply to the US. It never has. Well at least since I started forming memories here.
$$$ is how it's spelled in America
Anything coming from DHS/ICE or any other executive branch entity should be considered a lie until independent reporting from a non major news outlet confirms otherwise.
I do not believe that was his gun as of right now.
While you are correct, I do think it was his gun, but they lied by implying he was there to 'assassinate' ICE and that he approached them 'with a gun' (technically the truth, but the gun was no where near being used by the victim).
Newer footage shows them disarming him by removing his gun. He never had it in his hand or reached for it.
I will DEFEND to MY DEATH the Right to SHOOT UP A SCHOOL! And this Man CLEARLY was NOT Shooting up a School!
-Republicans!
Having a gun in America is to prevent this from happening. Man was clearly being assaulted, where's the "self-defense" argument for citizens?
The video shows one of the gestapo cunts running away from the incident with a gun in his hand, which he didn't have at first. If that's the case and it's the victim's gun then he was already disarmed before the murdered him.
I am really sure it was is gun. Even before he was shot dead. Yeah sure.
Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37.
No criminal history. A lawful gun owner with a valid conceal carry permit.
And a constitutional right to film in public.
Minessota needs to immediately arrest every ICE/terrorist in their borders.
"An" agent fired ten shots? Was it just that guy at the end dumping a couple more rounds into a prone body on the ground?
They will keep doing this at this point. Strongly worded letters and asking the collective of white supremacists who said empathy is a sin is not going to change their minds. RIP the victim. Republicans should be socially exiled from society.
All MAGA should have a T branded on their forehead so everyone they ever meet knows exactly who they're talking to. All ICE agents should be sent to prison for the rest of their life, but also be gifted a 6ft length of rope. They can do whatever they want with that rope.
Let them off themselves that easily? Why show more mercy to them than an ordinary criminal? These are high treason domestic terrorists who execute anyone who has even a bit of good in them.
Trump supporters should not be allowed to pay taxes, recieve any social services, and police should not respond to their distress calls. They should all be shoved into a single piece of land, and left to fend for themselves like the animals they are. Their very own sociopathic dystopia.
I was just trying to think of the most fair but merciful solution. I am certainly not opposed to them receiving a traitors consequence, however.
Maybe instead of a branded "T" they could wear yellow armbands and we could make a series of camps to keep them in for the long term. Is this just another case of history repeating? /s
Very interesting how you decided to go there. What part about what I said prompted you to suggest camps?
You went there with tentative little footsteps, I just pushed it further down the road. Yet another case of history repeating. Prisons. Camps. To-may-toe. To-mah-toe. Armbands. Scratched "T" tattoos. Po-tay-toes. Po-tah-toes. I'm not sure you are sincere in your interest.
I meant every word I said. These people should be walking freely with a branded T on their foreheads so people will forever know who they're talking to. YOU went the extra step by saying that's comparable to fucking death camps?!?! If anything I was being merciful, the world might actually be better off without them. But I'm kind enough to let them continue to participate in society, only so that they come with a visible warning to the kinder majority.
Then you walk in and suggest "Might as well put them in death camps then." You sure you're not a fascist? Either you are because you feel threatened by people being able to identify you as such, or because ideas such as death camps come awfully easy to you. Either way, thanks for identifying yourself to us.
Us? I didn't know I was dealing with a pack. I stand alone and stand by my own statement(s). "Thanks for identifying yourself to us" sounds so Nazi (but I'm sure you carry a lot of moral outrage with you). Anyway, good luck with all that conflict.
it's time to start dragging these people out of their homes...
I implore people to quit paying federal taxes. By paying federal taxes, you are supporting terrorism.
I'm all for protesting but how would that work? Most people have taxes taken and paid automatically by their employer.
Leeja miller made an informative video about tax resistance, this is not an endorsement for commiting any crimes however of course.
You tell your employer to stop making payroll deductions with an exemption form and then go full sovereign citizen and just don't pay taxes. (Not advice)
Your employer doesn't know your whole financial situation and will take out whatever amount for taxes that you tell them to. For example, if you have two jobs and aren't paying retroactively and go over an income threshold both of your employers wont know you need to pay the increased rate for part of it.
I had my jobs convert me to 1099 contract and have stopped paying taxes as much as possible without raising red flags.
Basically accrued a balance, got on a super low payment plan that'll take like 5+ years at this point, and am just paying the bare minimum to keep them happy.
Yeah that'll get em. Get arrested for tax evasion! That'll get ICE out of Minnesota.
I love how you immediately jumped to "tax evasion". Tax evasion and war time tax resistance are two different things. And I never said it would get ICE out of Minnesota. Yikes. Do your research.
Both get you arrested for tax evasion you dope. That is legally indistinct from tax evasion. Yikes. Do your research
This is horrific.
But the MiDtErRms bro, just vote on the midterms. Let them jerk killing people until you can vote, one vote and we defeat fascism bro trust /s
Lmao. Midterms. I remember when those used to happen.
This was inevitable and there will be more until ICE goes home or until the protesters give up.
And another angle
Any link that doesn't require a log in?
Look how that fucking guy runs and gi hiding after he heard a shot. Coward.
They scatter like fucking cockroaches.
Watch the guy with jeans and grey jacket on top of the victim. He knew what was about to happen.
He removed the victim's firearm from his waste holster
It seems like getting out to vote might be difficult in an environment like this. If this environment is limited to certain political areas, it might have an effect on any nationally significant democratic theatre.
Don't worry guys the second amendment patriots will show up soon and save everyone from a tyrannical government overstepping it's constitutional right...........any minute now.......any minute I'm sure.
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
What’s gonna be next? Night of the Long Knives for people who are against it?
The next time this happens, some bystander is gonna come and give them first aid when the ICE Agent's NOT looking
Please mark as NSFW
Done.
Witness statement sounds like it might be from Pink Jacket.
https://bsky.app/profile/anneapplebaum.bsky.social/post/3mdaxpgr6ls2t
I feel like we need to add identifier numbers, like "second ice murder in Minneapolis" because I'm seeing so many of these posts now and each time I'm not sure if it is a new one or not so I gotta watch that horrible ice snuff video again.
With ice, you're just losing count of the victoms
String up the traitors
If they only had guns and they could get some sort of militia together to defend their constitution. If only...
Are we doing Iran cosplay now?
I don't get your thought process.
Why exactly do you want to label the Mullah dictatorship as "Asians" or "Muslims" and not just as the "Mullah dictatorship"? When I think about Mullahs, I think about dictators or about "death" or about "shooting protesters", not about random Asians or random Muslims.
That does not make any sense and is the weirdest description of racism I have heard in a long time.
In which year do you live right now? Thousands of people were murdered by the Mullahs within the last few weeks... I'm from Germany. Can you please tell me what the "military police" in my country is called and when they killed Thounsands of people...? Keep in mind: I myself live in 2026, not in 1940........
Great... Generalization is always the best way to make a good discourse impossible.
With that logic, our whole public transport system (Deutsche Bahn) is Nazi stuff...
Very interesting to read you comment of you mentioning actual and non-actual problems in my country and that you don't understand that the "regime" and the supreme court are not the same thing, but what's the point? I live here. I know this country. You can also mention homelessness, CumEx, Staatsverschuldung, etc.... But weren't we just talking about the f*cking Mullah dicatorship that killed Thousands of protestors within a few weeks? If this is your picture of Germany, it's fortunately far from the truth.
Iran estimated death figures range from 3000 to 30000. And they're trying to overthrow the government.
Over 500 of the dead were agents of the government. Iran doesn't even have a 2A. How many government agents have you Americans gotten this far with your guns? 0? And how many of you will be murdered by government agents if/when government agents are killed? Iran is just a couple of steps ahead of you.
Apparently the guy was armed with a gun. Might the first shot have been from him?
How the fuck would anyone pull of a shot while being pinned by that many people? Do you actually believe that or are you just spouting whatever bullshit allows you to defend fascists?
Very unlikely I know. I’m doing my best not to jump to conclusions or take sides.
It's long past time to start taking sides.
If you’re “not taking sides” when one side consists of fascists and nazis, you have taken a side
For what it's worth, I voted for Harris and I live 20 minutes from where this happened.
That isn't worth shit when you're giving the nazis the benefit of the doubt. What the fuck is wrong with you.
By jumping to far less likely conclusions?
Even if he did draw his gun it doesn't matter, ICE had 7 men on him, they had maced him and they have bullet resistant vests on. He also didn't break any laws and had the right to carry the gun for self defence.
What exactly is your point!?
Edit: he didnt even have a gun, it was a camera -